ANTI-NUTRIENTS MEGATHREAD - Plants are DANGEROUS 🌿⚠️

[Chintuck22]

Anti-nutrients are negative substances found in plant foods that impair human metabolic function. They can inhibit digestive enzymes reduce mineral absorption as well as vitamin absorption.

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By looking at indigenous groups or traditional cultures and what they ate, it can tell us that the main thing that we need to know is that traditional groups consumed a minimum of 65% of their calories from animal foods. They got a large amount of bio-available vitamins and minerals from these animal foods. The difference between a group of peoples that consumed 65% of their calories from animal foods and 85% of the calories from animal foods or even 95 percent in some cases was physical impressiveness (Height, anthropometry, etc..);
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Spoiler: spoiler

The more animal foods in the diet the taller the person was and you know generally better hunting skills were associated with that fact.

If you hear stories about the

Spoiler: spoiler

1) Mongols were big and strong.​

2) he Roman soldiers invaded Germany they said the Germans were tall and strong.​

3) Native Americans the newcomers to America spoke about how they could chase down bison on foot...​

Interesting stories about the physical impressiveness of these indigenous groups. not being said yes there are blue zones now such as Sardinians that consume smaller amounts of these animal foods and still consume high amounts of anti-nutrient containing plant foods and still live long healthy lives.

So the main thing to take away from this thread is going to be that there are certain anti nutrients that definitely need to be avoided in large amounts and that there are various preparation methods that should be used to reduce the anti nutrient content in certain foods.

TYPES OF ANTINUTRIENTS

​

1) Glucosinolates + Goitrogens family​

2) Lectins​

3) Glycoalkaloids​

4) Flavonoids​

5) Glutamates​

6) Gluten​

7) Phytic acid and oxalates.​

8) Biogenic/vasoactive amines ​

9) Mycotoxin and aflatoxin ​

10) Others...​

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GLUCOSINOLATES + GOITROGENS​

Glucosinolates is antinutrient which occur in cruciferous vegetables (Greens, salads) and the cruciferous vegetable family i think is originally from some sort of mustard seed and it's pretty much a bunch of modern vegetables that have all been created from an older one through genetical engineering (GMO) so it's kind of like unnatural to only be eating large amounts cruciferous vegetables and you can actually like google and look up people getting Goiter from consuming too much kale or eating too many cruciferous vegetables.

These have shown free radical damage in animal studies, and in order to reduce the glucosinolate and alloy content, you have to boil the vegetable and most people consume vegetables either lightly cooked or raw salt. The levels of these other substances that are produced by glucosinolates are generally not inhibited by cooking because they're just not cooked long enough.

[PDF] Effect of Cooking and Sun Drying On Micronutrients, Antinutrients an Toxic Substances in Corchorus olitorius (Jute Mallow) | Semantic Scholar

Leafy vegetables generally contain some intrinsic phytotoxins that affect human health negatively at high concentrations. The presence of these toxins which is believed to protect the plant from their preys has severely limited the nutritional potential of vegetables. The reason that, this...

www.semanticscholar.org

​

- Isothiocyanates stimulate detoxification enzymes, inflammatory response, they interfere with DNA segregation resulting in cell death, they inhibit iodine uptake which can kind of be countered with a higher iodine intake, but they also inhibit thyroid hormone and that can't be countered by anything. Consuming more iodine does not change that.​

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- Indoles inhibit ATP energy metabolism as well as estrogen metabolism - Night trials; Stimulate detoxification enzymes (same inflammatory reaction) and they actually cause cyanide related toxicity which results in reduced appetite and food intake, impaired kidney function, decreased energy production, more blood clotting as well as an increased liver weight, and can actually be obtained from cooked brussel sprouts or large amounts of certain cruciferous vegetables.​

So definitely a bunch of negative things that can be had from consuming cruciferous vegetables and incredibly large amounts, especially if raw or lightly cooked.

LECTINS​

Lectins (Grains, legumes, seeds) are a much bigger anti-nutrients nutrient that causes a lot of problems for people. Lectins-saponins and gluten are the main anti-nutrients associated with leaky gut and a lot of gut problems. Lectins in particular are contained in legumes grains, dairy (Because animal was feed a grain), and vegetable oils.

They damage the intestines because they're attracted to the sugar in the cell, and that pretty much causes cell damage and in some cases cell death. They commonly cause joint pain as well... Some people tolerate lectins better than others, but these can be reduced through traditional methods such as ferment or soaking.

- Saponins are very similar to lectins and that they damage the intestinal lining they also damaged red blood cells enzymes, and inhibit enzymes, thyroid function as well, and they have a foaming property - When saponins enter the body they foam up, and that's that's what part of what causes the cell damage. These are contained in soy, chickpeas, quinoa, asparagus, oats, onions, garlic, and tea. So consuming large amounts of improperly prepared oats, soy, quinoa, which is something vegans likely do, this can definitely contribute to some gut problems.​

GLYCOALKALOIDS​

Solanine and chaconine are actually two things that are viewed as beneficial in small amounts, but these inhibit the nerve synapse enzyme acetylcholinesterase, and they're found in large amounts in corn and potatoes. I haven't really seen too many negative things online about this because I don't think people consume large enough amounts of these foods raw.

- Solanine is the primary anti nutrient found in nightshades it inhibits the same nerve synapse enzyme that chaconine does, it disrupts cell membranes and can cause birth defects. It opens up the potassium channel of the mitochondria, decreasing membrane potential (what this essentially does is it increases the concentration of potassium in the cytoplasm resulting in cell damage or even cell death)

FLAVONOIDS​

Isoflavones (Phytoestrogens) are the first anti-nutrient that we definitely need to be avoiding. These are found in soy, peanuts, chickpeas, fava beans, kudzu, alfalfa in most cases food that is modern man-made and wasn't really available to humans. Until really recently (Through GMO). The main concern is the phyto-estrogens in these foods which is associated with reduced fertility, cell death in embryos, early puberty in women, also irregular cycle.. And woman fed a soy formula had menstrual cramps, as well as longer periods. Isoflavones resulted in breast cells in male rats, and altered brain development.

I want to blame isoflavones and soy formula for a lot of the problems that made me truecel. I think it's something that's pretty much a poison and alters our hormones our system and everything I don't really want to go too much into that but it's definitely something we need to be avoiding, the soy is poisonous maybe even feeding it to animals isn't something we should be doing.

- Lignans are phytoestrogens that occur in seeds grains beans and berries although you would think they might have similar effects to ISIL fly bones the amount of final estrogens that occur in foods like soy and peanuts eclipse lignans by like dozen, 200 folds in many many cases. So although lignin still might be a concern specifically in consuming large amounts of seeds grains and beans in more wild indigenous foods I wouldn't worry too much as they're usually not consumed in any significant amount especially during all seasons of the year.​

GLUTAMATES​

Glutamates isn't really that big of a topic but this is mostly focusing on the additive of msg (Monosodium glutamate), not the msg that naturally occurs in foods. The additive can be associated with asthma, headache, hives, angioedema (like swelling of the skin), just various skin like inflammation to psychiatric disorders and convulsions in some cases

But glutamates do occur naturally in foods the reason meat tastes good especially dry aged meat is because it has high levels of umami, so do foods like mushrooms and tomatoes. A natural msg is not necessarily a bad thing to consume but additive is definitely to be avoided.

GLUTEN​

Gluten is a big one, gluten is an enzyme inhibitor and anything that inhibits enzymes impairs digestive function. If your body isn't producing enzymes to digest foods, what happens is the food kind of just ferment, and cysts in the stomach causes damage to cells. It promotes the growth of negative gut bacteria is associated with leaky gut, autoimmune disease, allergic reactions, cognitive problems, joint pain, headaches, fatigue, and poor memory.

I can personally vouch you know my father eats a lot of gluten and definitely has cognitive problems, and poor memory, as well as a lot of people I've noticed now, the gluten might be a big factor in that.

PHYTIC ACID AND OXALATES​

Phytic acid and oxalates are the two big things that are spoken about in a negative light on a vegan or vegetarian diet, and these inhibit various minerals. Phytic acid being found in grains and legumes oxalates being found in legumes and greens. Oxalates are also in high amounts in coconuts, so although I've listed a lot of foods that these things are contained in, I've probably missed a few things but there really isn't a lot of information on anti nutrient content and if you try to look up phytic acid content of nuts the information is difficult to find. I know for sure macadamia nuts are lowered in phytic acid than a lot of other nuts but that doesn't mean that they're low in oxalates.

Phytic acid primarily inhibits phosphorus, calcium, copper, iron, magnesium, zinc, and manganese. In regards to percentages you know phosphorus and calcium can be up to 80% and magnesium 40%, so not only is phytic acid inhibiting these minerals oxalates also overlap for things like calcium, and magnesium. So in a lot of cases between the phytic acid inhibiting mineral absorption and oxalates binding to minerals, a lot of vegans and vegetarians are getting negligible amounts of minerals in their diet. In the case of phytic acid, vitamin A and vitamin C can help counteract it but vegan and vegetarian diets are low in the animal form of retinoic acid vitamin A (animal form), that's why this is a problem in large amounts in diets without animal foods. They also inhibit digestive enzymes (amylase, trypsin, and pepsin) so not only is your starch digestion inhibited so is your protein digestion.

BIOGENIC/VASOACTIVE AMINES​

Biogenic/vasoactive amines are pretty much "histamines in plant foods", and these occur from fermentation, improper storage or decay and rotting. This can have heart rate problems, skin flushing, headaches. Scombroid poisoning is an example of a high histamine levels in fish, and that that's from improper storage of fish. So this isn't necessarily specific to plant foods but it can occur in plant foods as well.

MYCOTOXIN and ALFATOXIN​

Mycotoxin and aflatoxin are from fungus, and this is specifically from food handling and storage. Coffee and chocolate are examples of two foods that I don't believe would not ever not have high amounts of these - So if there's one reason to not consume coffee or chocolate it might just be because of the mycotoxin and the aflatoxin, whether or not different types of mold or problematic or not.. it's safe to say that both coffee and chocolate are very high in phytic acid, they're foods that are very high in oxalates very high in anti-nutrients in general especially these biogenic/vasoactive amines. In addition to the mycotoxins, it's hard to justify consuming either of those foods.

OTHERS​

- The salicylates are found in plants and spices, and although there's been negative associations with them there is sparse evidence just something I wanted to throw out there for this thread. And these are anti nutrients that can have drastic effects on some people but aren't really talked about a lot.


- Alpha amylase inhibitors are found in grains flours, and breads. These caused pancreatic problems in animal models and could very likely be a reason that a lot of people are getting pancreatic cancer now from just a high grain diet.

- Protease inhibitors found in legumes, greens, nuts, and grains impaired protein and peptide digestion. Could be a reason why a lot of vegans need to consume protein powders, to not be deficient in protein and also probably why a lot of vegans have naturally lower muscle mass if they're not taking steroids.

- Tannins can be enzyme inhibitors, cause protein deficiency, gastrointestinal distress.

- Trypsin inhibitors mainly associated with mineral deficiencies in children and are containing grain products.

- Sulfites you know cider wine dried fruit tend to be added. Several reports of reactions to sulfates, it's definitely problematic for some people.

- Benzoates which are added to sodas, jams, sweets, pickles... certain preserved foods. It's an antimicrobial that can cause hives, asthma, and just various skin problems.

WHAT CAN YOU DO + TLDR​

- The main two things to keep in mind are we absolutely should be avoiding are isoflavones and mycotoxins. Various other anti nutrients can be reduced with soaking, sprouting, various, cooking, and fermentation methods.. but I think the important thing as I said earlier is that your diet has a base amount of fat soluble vitamins, and if you do choose to include a plant food try to buy a high-quality indigenous natural version of that food. Don't go to the supermarket and buy a 50-pound bag of white rice, go by the local Minnesota wild rice that cost like ten dollars for a half a pound bag you know.

These foods are super expensive if you want to buy high quality plant foods that's why I tend to stick primarily to a mostly animal diet, it's simply that these wild plant foods are just too expensive and too difficult to obtain.

THX FOR READING!

​

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its over
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I'm going to kill myself right now

 

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Anti-nutrients are negative substances found in plant foods that impair human metabolic function. They can inhibit digestive enzymes reduce mineral absorption as well as vitamin absorption.

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By looking at indigenous groups or traditional cultures and what they ate, it can tell us that the main thing that we need to know is that traditional groups consumed a minimum of 65% of their calories from animal foods. They got a large amount of bio-available vitamins and minerals from these animal foods. The difference between a group of peoples that consumed 65% of their calories from animal foods and 85% of the calories from animal foods or even 95 percent in some cases was physical impressiveness (Height, anthropometry, etc..);
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Spoiler: spoiler

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The more animal foods in the diet the taller the person was and you know generally better hunting skills were associated with that fact.

If you hear stories about the

Spoiler: spoiler

1) Mongols were big and strong.​

2) he Roman soldiers invaded Germany they said the Germans were tall and strong.​

3) Native Americans the newcomers to America spoke about how they could chase down bison on foot...​

Interesting stories about the physical impressiveness of these indigenous groups. not being said yes there are blue zones now such as Sardinians that consume smaller amounts of these animal foods and still consume high amounts of anti-nutrient containing plant foods and still live long healthy lives.

So the main thing to take away from this thread is going to be that there are certain anti nutrients that definitely need to be avoided in large amounts and that there are various preparation methods that should be used to reduce the anti nutrient content in certain foods.

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TYPES OF ANTINUTRIENTS

​

1) Glucosinolates + Goitrogens family​

2) Lectins​

3) Glycoalkaloids​

4) Flavonoids​

5) Glutamates​

6) Gluten​

7) Phytic acid and oxalates.​

8) Biogenic/vasoactive amines ​

9) Mycotoxin and aflatoxin ​

10) Others...​

---

GLUCOSINOLATES + GOITROGENS​

Glucosinolates is antinutrient which occur in cruciferous vegetables (Greens, salads) and the cruciferous vegetable family i think is originally from some sort of mustard seed and it's pretty much a bunch of modern vegetables that have all been created from an older one through genetical engineering (GMO) so it's kind of like unnatural to only be eating large amounts cruciferous vegetables and you can actually like google and look up people getting Goiter from consuming too much kale or eating too many cruciferous vegetables.

View attachment 1269070

These have shown free radical damage in animal studies, and in order to reduce the glucosinolate and alloy content, you have to boil the vegetable and most people consume vegetables either lightly cooked or raw salt. The levels of these other substances that are produced by glucosinolates are generally not inhibited by cooking because they're just not cooked long enough.

[PDF] Effect of Cooking and Sun Drying On Micronutrients, Antinutrients an Toxic Substances in Corchorus olitorius (Jute Mallow) | Semantic Scholar

Leafy vegetables generally contain some intrinsic phytotoxins that affect human health negatively at high concentrations. The presence of these toxins which is believed to protect the plant from their preys has severely limited the nutritional potential of vegetables. The reason that, this...

www.semanticscholar.org

​

- Isothiocyanates stimulate detoxification enzymes, inflammatory response, they interfere with DNA segregation resulting in cell death, they inhibit iodine uptake which can kind of be countered with a higher iodine intake, but they also inhibit thyroid hormone and that can't be countered by anything. Consuming more iodine does not change that.​

​

- Indoles inhibit ATP energy metabolism as well as estrogen metabolism - Night trials; Stimulate detoxification enzymes (same inflammatory reaction) and they actually cause cyanide related toxicity which results in reduced appetite and food intake, impaired kidney function, decreased energy production, more blood clotting as well as an increased liver weight, and can actually be obtained from cooked brussel sprouts or large amounts of certain cruciferous vegetables.​

So definitely a bunch of negative things that can be had from consuming cruciferous vegetables and incredibly large amounts, especially if raw or lightly cooked.

LECTINS​

Lectins (Grains, legumes, seeds) are a much bigger anti-nutrients nutrient that causes a lot of problems for people. Lectins-saponins and gluten are the main anti-nutrients associated with leaky gut and a lot of gut problems. Lectins in particular are contained in legumes grains, dairy (Because animal was feed a grain), and vegetable oils.

They damage the intestines because they're attracted to the sugar in the cell, and that pretty much causes cell damage and in some cases cell death. They commonly cause joint pain as well... Some people tolerate lectins better than others, but these can be reduced through traditional methods such as ferment or soaking.

- Saponins are very similar to lectins and that they damage the intestinal lining they also damaged red blood cells enzymes, and inhibit enzymes, thyroid function as well, and they have a foaming property - When saponins enter the body they foam up, and that's that's what part of what causes the cell damage. These are contained in soy, chickpeas, quinoa, asparagus, oats, onions, garlic, and tea. So consuming large amounts of improperly prepared oats, soy, quinoa, which is something vegans likely do, this can definitely contribute to some gut problems.​

GLYCOALKALOIDS​

Solanine and chaconine are actually two things that are viewed as beneficial in small amounts, but these inhibit the nerve synapse enzyme acetylcholinesterase, and they're found in large amounts in corn and potatoes. I haven't really seen too many negative things online about this because I don't think people consume large enough amounts of these foods raw.

- Solanine is the primary anti nutrient found in nightshades it inhibits the same nerve synapse enzyme that chaconine does, it disrupts cell membranes and can cause birth defects. It opens up the potassium channel of the mitochondria, decreasing membrane potential (what this essentially does is it increases the concentration of potassium in the cytoplasm resulting in cell damage or even cell death)

FLAVONOIDS​

Isoflavones (Phytoestrogens) are the first anti-nutrient that we definitely need to be avoiding. These are found in soy, peanuts, chickpeas, fava beans, kudzu, alfalfa in most cases food that is modern man-made and wasn't really available to humans. Until really recently (Through GMO). The main concern is the phyto-estrogens in these foods which is associated with reduced fertility, cell death in embryos, early puberty in women, also irregular cycle.. And woman fed a soy formula had menstrual cramps, as well as longer periods. Isoflavones resulted in breast cells in male rats, and altered brain development.

View attachment 1270165

I want to blame isoflavones and soy formula for a lot of the problems that made me truecel. I think it's something that's pretty much a poison and alters our hormones our system and everything I don't really want to go too much into that but it's definitely something we need to be avoiding, the soy is poisonous maybe even feeding it to animals isn't something we should be doing.

- Lignans are phytoestrogens that occur in seeds grains beans and berries although you would think they might have similar effects to ISIL fly bones the amount of final estrogens that occur in foods like soy and peanuts eclipse lignans by like dozen, 200 folds in many many cases. So although lignin still might be a concern specifically in consuming large amounts of seeds grains and beans in more wild indigenous foods I wouldn't worry too much as they're usually not consumed in any significant amount especially during all seasons of the year.​

GLUTAMATES​

Glutamates isn't really that big of a topic but this is mostly focusing on the additive of msg (Monosodium glutamate), not the msg that naturally occurs in foods. The additive can be associated with asthma, headache, hives, angioedema (like swelling of the skin), just various skin like inflammation to psychiatric disorders and convulsions in some cases

But glutamates do occur naturally in foods the reason meat tastes good especially dry aged meat is because it has high levels of umami, so do foods like mushrooms and tomatoes. A natural msg is not necessarily a bad thing to consume but additive is definitely to be avoided.

GLUTEN​

Gluten is a big one, gluten is an enzyme inhibitor and anything that inhibits enzymes impairs digestive function. If your body isn't producing enzymes to digest foods, what happens is the food kind of just ferment, and cysts in the stomach causes damage to cells. It promotes the growth of negative gut bacteria is associated with leaky gut, autoimmune disease, allergic reactions, cognitive problems, joint pain, headaches, fatigue, and poor memory.

I can personally vouch you know my father eats a lot of gluten and definitely has cognitive problems, and poor memory, as well as a lot of people I've noticed now, the gluten might be a big factor in that.

PHYTIC ACID AND OXALATES​

Phytic acid and oxalates are the two big things that are spoken about in a negative light on a vegan or vegetarian diet, and these inhibit various minerals. Phytic acid being found in grains and legumes oxalates being found in legumes and greens. Oxalates are also in high amounts in coconuts, so although I've listed a lot of foods that these things are contained in, I've probably missed a few things but there really isn't a lot of information on anti nutrient content and if you try to look up phytic acid content of nuts the information is difficult to find. I know for sure macadamia nuts are lowered in phytic acid than a lot of other nuts but that doesn't mean that they're low in oxalates.

Phytic acid primarily inhibits phosphorus, calcium, copper, iron, magnesium, zinc, and manganese. In regards to percentages you know phosphorus and calcium can be up to 80% and magnesium 40%, so not only is phytic acid inhibiting these minerals oxalates also overlap for things like calcium, and magnesium. So in a lot of cases between the phytic acid inhibiting mineral absorption and oxalates binding to minerals, a lot of vegans and vegetarians are getting negligible amounts of minerals in their diet. In the case of phytic acid, vitamin A and vitamin C can help counteract it but vegan and vegetarian diets are low in the animal form of retinoic acid vitamin A (animal form), that's why this is a problem in large amounts in diets without animal foods. They also inhibit digestive enzymes (amylase, trypsin, and pepsin) so not only is your starch digestion inhibited so is your protein digestion.

BIOGENIC/VASOACTIVE AMINES​

Biogenic/vasoactive amines are pretty much "histamines in plant foods", and these occur from fermentation, improper storage or decay and rotting. This can have heart rate problems, skin flushing, headaches. Scombroid poisoning is an example of a high histamine levels in fish, and that that's from improper storage of fish. So this isn't necessarily specific to plant foods but it can occur in plant foods as well.

MYCOTOXIN and ALFATOXIN​

Mycotoxin and aflatoxin are from fungus, and this is specifically from food handling and storage. Coffee and chocolate are examples of two foods that I don't believe would not ever not have high amounts of these - So if there's one reason to not consume coffee or chocolate it might just be because of the mycotoxin and the aflatoxin, whether or not different types of mold or problematic or not.. it's safe to say that both coffee and chocolate are very high in phytic acid, they're foods that are very high in oxalates very high in anti-nutrients in general especially these biogenic/vasoactive amines. In addition to the mycotoxins, it's hard to justify consuming either of those foods.

OTHERS​

- The salicylates are found in plants and spices, and although there's been negative associations with them there is sparse evidence just something I wanted to throw out there for this thread. And these are anti nutrients that can have drastic effects on some people but aren't really talked about a lot.


- Alpha amylase inhibitors are found in grains flours, and breads. These caused pancreatic problems in animal models and could very likely be a reason that a lot of people are getting pancreatic cancer now from just a high grain diet.

- Protease inhibitors found in legumes, greens, nuts, and grains impaired protein and peptide digestion. Could be a reason why a lot of vegans need to consume protein powders, to not be deficient in protein and also probably why a lot of vegans have naturally lower muscle mass if they're not taking steroids.

- Tannins can be enzyme inhibitors, cause protein deficiency, gastrointestinal distress.

- Trypsin inhibitors mainly associated with mineral deficiencies in children and are containing grain products.

- Sulfites you know cider wine dried fruit tend to be added. Several reports of reactions to sulfates, it's definitely problematic for some people.

- Benzoates which are added to sodas, jams, sweets, pickles... certain preserved foods. It's an antimicrobial that can cause hives, asthma, and just various skin problems.

WHAT CAN YOU DO + TLDR​

- The main two things to keep in mind are we absolutely should be avoiding are isoflavones and mycotoxins. Various other anti nutrients can be reduced with soaking, sprouting, various, cooking, and fermentation methods.. but I think the important thing as I said earlier is that your diet has a base amount of fat soluble vitamins, and if you do choose to include a plant food try to buy a high-quality indigenous natural version of that food. Don't go to the supermarket and buy a 50-pound bag of white rice, go by the local Minnesota wild rice that cost like ten dollars for a half a pound bag you know.

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These foods are super expensive if you want to buy high quality plant foods that's why I tend to stick primarily to a mostly animal diet, it's simply that these wild plant foods are just too expensive and too difficult to obtain.

THX FOR READING!

​

Tagging nutrition enthusiasts
@Marsiere214 @Acnno @xefo @Kingkellz @AcneScars @kjsbdfiusdf @john2 @realklay11 @moonblunt @BalkanPig @pizza @ManletEater @Bitch @CokoMleko @Giourdani @RAITEIII @54UD4D3 @Dr Shekelberg @brbbrah @Chad1212 @Daw @Ethnicope @kvtthroat @RoundHouse @HeavenAdmιn @JL~

Bumping good thread

 

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Anti-nutrients are negative substances found in plant foods that impair human metabolic function. They can inhibit digestive enzymes reduce mineral absorption as well as vitamin absorption.

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By looking at indigenous groups or traditional cultures and what they ate, it can tell us that the main thing that we need to know is that traditional groups consumed a minimum of 65% of their calories from animal foods. They got a large amount of bio-available vitamins and minerals from these animal foods. The difference between a group of peoples that consumed 65% of their calories from animal foods and 85% of the calories from animal foods or even 95 percent in some cases was physical impressiveness (Height, anthropometry, etc..);
​

Spoiler: spoiler

View attachment 1269048View attachment 1269051



The more animal foods in the diet the taller the person was and you know generally better hunting skills were associated with that fact.

If you hear stories about the

Spoiler: spoiler

1) Mongols were big and strong.​

2) he Roman soldiers invaded Germany they said the Germans were tall and strong.​

3) Native Americans the newcomers to America spoke about how they could chase down bison on foot...​

Interesting stories about the physical impressiveness of these indigenous groups. not being said yes there are blue zones now such as Sardinians that consume smaller amounts of these animal foods and still consume high amounts of anti-nutrient containing plant foods and still live long healthy lives.

So the main thing to take away from this thread is going to be that there are certain anti nutrients that definitely need to be avoided in large amounts and that there are various preparation methods that should be used to reduce the anti nutrient content in certain foods.

View attachment 1270152View attachment 1270153View attachment 1270154




TYPES OF ANTINUTRIENTS

​

1) Glucosinolates + Goitrogens family​

2) Lectins​

3) Glycoalkaloids​

4) Flavonoids​

5) Glutamates​

6) Gluten​

7) Phytic acid and oxalates.​

8) Biogenic/vasoactive amines ​

9) Mycotoxin and aflatoxin ​

10) Others...​

---

GLUCOSINOLATES + GOITROGENS​

Glucosinolates is antinutrient which occur in cruciferous vegetables (Greens, salads) and the cruciferous vegetable family i think is originally from some sort of mustard seed and it's pretty much a bunch of modern vegetables that have all been created from an older one through genetical engineering (GMO) so it's kind of like unnatural to only be eating large amounts cruciferous vegetables and you can actually like google and look up people getting Goiter from consuming too much kale or eating too many cruciferous vegetables.

View attachment 1269070

These have shown free radical damage in animal studies, and in order to reduce the glucosinolate and alloy content, you have to boil the vegetable and most people consume vegetables either lightly cooked or raw salt. The levels of these other substances that are produced by glucosinolates are generally not inhibited by cooking because they're just not cooked long enough.

[PDF] Effect of Cooking and Sun Drying On Micronutrients, Antinutrients an Toxic Substances in Corchorus olitorius (Jute Mallow) | Semantic Scholar

Leafy vegetables generally contain some intrinsic phytotoxins that affect human health negatively at high concentrations. The presence of these toxins which is believed to protect the plant from their preys has severely limited the nutritional potential of vegetables. The reason that, this...

www.semanticscholar.org

​

- Isothiocyanates stimulate detoxification enzymes, inflammatory response, they interfere with DNA segregation resulting in cell death, they inhibit iodine uptake which can kind of be countered with a higher iodine intake, but they also inhibit thyroid hormone and that can't be countered by anything. Consuming more iodine does not change that.​

​

- Indoles inhibit ATP energy metabolism as well as estrogen metabolism - Night trials; Stimulate detoxification enzymes (same inflammatory reaction) and they actually cause cyanide related toxicity which results in reduced appetite and food intake, impaired kidney function, decreased energy production, more blood clotting as well as an increased liver weight, and can actually be obtained from cooked brussel sprouts or large amounts of certain cruciferous vegetables.​

So definitely a bunch of negative things that can be had from consuming cruciferous vegetables and incredibly large amounts, especially if raw or lightly cooked.

LECTINS​

Lectins (Grains, legumes, seeds) are a much bigger anti-nutrients nutrient that causes a lot of problems for people. Lectins-saponins and gluten are the main anti-nutrients associated with leaky gut and a lot of gut problems. Lectins in particular are contained in legumes grains, dairy (Because animal was feed a grain), and vegetable oils.

They damage the intestines because they're attracted to the sugar in the cell, and that pretty much causes cell damage and in some cases cell death. They commonly cause joint pain as well... Some people tolerate lectins better than others, but these can be reduced through traditional methods such as ferment or soaking.

- Saponins are very similar to lectins and that they damage the intestinal lining they also damaged red blood cells enzymes, and inhibit enzymes, thyroid function as well, and they have a foaming property - When saponins enter the body they foam up, and that's that's what part of what causes the cell damage. These are contained in soy, chickpeas, quinoa, asparagus, oats, onions, garlic, and tea. So consuming large amounts of improperly prepared oats, soy, quinoa, which is something vegans likely do, this can definitely contribute to some gut problems.​

GLYCOALKALOIDS​

Solanine and chaconine are actually two things that are viewed as beneficial in small amounts, but these inhibit the nerve synapse enzyme acetylcholinesterase, and they're found in large amounts in corn and potatoes. I haven't really seen too many negative things online about this because I don't think people consume large enough amounts of these foods raw.

- Solanine is the primary anti nutrient found in nightshades it inhibits the same nerve synapse enzyme that chaconine does, it disrupts cell membranes and can cause birth defects. It opens up the potassium channel of the mitochondria, decreasing membrane potential (what this essentially does is it increases the concentration of potassium in the cytoplasm resulting in cell damage or even cell death)

FLAVONOIDS​

Isoflavones (Phytoestrogens) are the first anti-nutrient that we definitely need to be avoiding. These are found in soy, peanuts, chickpeas, fava beans, kudzu, alfalfa in most cases food that is modern man-made and wasn't really available to humans. Until really recently (Through GMO). The main concern is the phyto-estrogens in these foods which is associated with reduced fertility, cell death in embryos, early puberty in women, also irregular cycle.. And woman fed a soy formula had menstrual cramps, as well as longer periods. Isoflavones resulted in breast cells in male rats, and altered brain development.

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I want to blame isoflavones and soy formula for a lot of the problems that made me truecel. I think it's something that's pretty much a poison and alters our hormones our system and everything I don't really want to go too much into that but it's definitely something we need to be avoiding, the soy is poisonous maybe even feeding it to animals isn't something we should be doing.

- Lignans are phytoestrogens that occur in seeds grains beans and berries although you would think they might have similar effects to ISIL fly bones the amount of final estrogens that occur in foods like soy and peanuts eclipse lignans by like dozen, 200 folds in many many cases. So although lignin still might be a concern specifically in consuming large amounts of seeds grains and beans in more wild indigenous foods I wouldn't worry too much as they're usually not consumed in any significant amount especially during all seasons of the year.​

GLUTAMATES​

Glutamates isn't really that big of a topic but this is mostly focusing on the additive of msg (Monosodium glutamate), not the msg that naturally occurs in foods. The additive can be associated with asthma, headache, hives, angioedema (like swelling of the skin), just various skin like inflammation to psychiatric disorders and convulsions in some cases

But glutamates do occur naturally in foods the reason meat tastes good especially dry aged meat is because it has high levels of umami, so do foods like mushrooms and tomatoes. A natural msg is not necessarily a bad thing to consume but additive is definitely to be avoided.

GLUTEN​

Gluten is a big one, gluten is an enzyme inhibitor and anything that inhibits enzymes impairs digestive function. If your body isn't producing enzymes to digest foods, what happens is the food kind of just ferment, and cysts in the stomach causes damage to cells. It promotes the growth of negative gut bacteria is associated with leaky gut, autoimmune disease, allergic reactions, cognitive problems, joint pain, headaches, fatigue, and poor memory.

I can personally vouch you know my father eats a lot of gluten and definitely has cognitive problems, and poor memory, as well as a lot of people I've noticed now, the gluten might be a big factor in that.

PHYTIC ACID AND OXALATES​

Phytic acid and oxalates are the two big things that are spoken about in a negative light on a vegan or vegetarian diet, and these inhibit various minerals. Phytic acid being found in grains and legumes oxalates being found in legumes and greens. Oxalates are also in high amounts in coconuts, so although I've listed a lot of foods that these things are contained in, I've probably missed a few things but there really isn't a lot of information on anti nutrient content and if you try to look up phytic acid content of nuts the information is difficult to find. I know for sure macadamia nuts are lowered in phytic acid than a lot of other nuts but that doesn't mean that they're low in oxalates.

Phytic acid primarily inhibits phosphorus, calcium, copper, iron, magnesium, zinc, and manganese. In regards to percentages you know phosphorus and calcium can be up to 80% and magnesium 40%, so not only is phytic acid inhibiting these minerals oxalates also overlap for things like calcium, and magnesium. So in a lot of cases between the phytic acid inhibiting mineral absorption and oxalates binding to minerals, a lot of vegans and vegetarians are getting negligible amounts of minerals in their diet. In the case of phytic acid, vitamin A and vitamin C can help counteract it but vegan and vegetarian diets are low in the animal form of retinoic acid vitamin A (animal form), that's why this is a problem in large amounts in diets without animal foods. They also inhibit digestive enzymes (amylase, trypsin, and pepsin) so not only is your starch digestion inhibited so is your protein digestion.

BIOGENIC/VASOACTIVE AMINES​

Biogenic/vasoactive amines are pretty much "histamines in plant foods", and these occur from fermentation, improper storage or decay and rotting. This can have heart rate problems, skin flushing, headaches. Scombroid poisoning is an example of a high histamine levels in fish, and that that's from improper storage of fish. So this isn't necessarily specific to plant foods but it can occur in plant foods as well.

MYCOTOXIN and ALFATOXIN​

Mycotoxin and aflatoxin are from fungus, and this is specifically from food handling and storage. Coffee and chocolate are examples of two foods that I don't believe would not ever not have high amounts of these - So if there's one reason to not consume coffee or chocolate it might just be because of the mycotoxin and the aflatoxin, whether or not different types of mold or problematic or not.. it's safe to say that both coffee and chocolate are very high in phytic acid, they're foods that are very high in oxalates very high in anti-nutrients in general especially these biogenic/vasoactive amines. In addition to the mycotoxins, it's hard to justify consuming either of those foods.

OTHERS​

- The salicylates are found in plants and spices, and although there's been negative associations with them there is sparse evidence just something I wanted to throw out there for this thread. And these are anti nutrients that can have drastic effects on some people but aren't really talked about a lot.


- Alpha amylase inhibitors are found in grains flours, and breads. These caused pancreatic problems in animal models and could very likely be a reason that a lot of people are getting pancreatic cancer now from just a high grain diet.

- Protease inhibitors found in legumes, greens, nuts, and grains impaired protein and peptide digestion. Could be a reason why a lot of vegans need to consume protein powders, to not be deficient in protein and also probably why a lot of vegans have naturally lower muscle mass if they're not taking steroids.

- Tannins can be enzyme inhibitors, cause protein deficiency, gastrointestinal distress.

- Trypsin inhibitors mainly associated with mineral deficiencies in children and are containing grain products.

- Sulfites you know cider wine dried fruit tend to be added. Several reports of reactions to sulfates, it's definitely problematic for some people.

- Benzoates which are added to sodas, jams, sweets, pickles... certain preserved foods. It's an antimicrobial that can cause hives, asthma, and just various skin problems.

WHAT CAN YOU DO + TLDR​

- The main two things to keep in mind are we absolutely should be avoiding are isoflavones and mycotoxins. Various other anti nutrients can be reduced with soaking, sprouting, various, cooking, and fermentation methods.. but I think the important thing as I said earlier is that your diet has a base amount of fat soluble vitamins, and if you do choose to include a plant food try to buy a high-quality indigenous natural version of that food. Don't go to the supermarket and buy a 50-pound bag of white rice, go by the local Minnesota wild rice that cost like ten dollars for a half a pound bag you know.

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These foods are super expensive if you want to buy high quality plant foods that's why I tend to stick primarily to a mostly animal diet, it's simply that these wild plant foods are just too expensive and too difficult to obtain.

THX FOR READING!

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Tagging nutrition enthusiasts
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Botb worthy tbh, i bet no fucking user here knows shit about this stuff

 

[Deleted member 7076]

thoughts on ray peat diet?

high sugar and dairy - lots of orange juice and milk

 

[Bitch]

wow look at this @GripMaxxing

@GripMaxxing rn

 

[WontStopNorwooding]

@GripMaxxing rn

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Wow that is definetly @GripMaxxing

 

[Deleted member 1476]

astonishingly based thread

what is the best way to cook vegetables to reduce anti-nutrient content? should i steam things like broccoli, peas, green beans, carrots or boil them?

 

[Chad69]

Idk nigga I have 2 meals a day considering cornflakes and some restaurant food (but usually I don’t have any plants in)

 

[Deleted member 10615]

so what just eat healthy? what happens if you eat these foods? weight gain?

 

[Deleted member 10615]

what are the consaquences of eating these things?

 

[WontStopNorwooding]

what are the consaquences of eating these things?

balding

 

[Deleted member 10615]

balding

balding is 100% genes


my dad is in his 50s and his a drug addict with a bad lifestyle who did manuel labor most of his life, no dieting, nothing like that yet hasn't experienced any hairloss at all


then you got guys on these sites putting 5 different creams on there head, going on some crazy diet and doing all this other shit just to be nw5 in there mid twenties

 

[WontStopNorwooding]

balding is 100% genes


my dad is in his 50s and his a drug addict with a bad lifestyle who did manuel labor most of his life, no dieting, nothing like that yet hasn't experienced any hairloss at all


then you got guys on these sites putting 5 different creams on there head, going on some crazy diet and doing all this other shit just to be nw5 in there mid twenties

wow brutal

 

[Reckless Turtle]

These foods are super expensive if you want to buy high quality plant foods that's why I tend to stick primarily to a mostly animal diet, it's simply that these wild plant foods are just too expensive and too difficult to obtain.

You don't have good plant foods in Lithuania...?

 

[Deleted member 6963]

Best of the best @Gargantuan @Alexanderr @her

 

[Deleted member 7073]

What about hormesis? Studies to back you up brother? ATM this has a few graphs, a video, one study, looks like a high school presentation brother.

 

[Ritalincel]

 

[kalefartbomb]

Great post. It's crazy how much disinformation gets posted about plant foods by shills, vegans and hippies. It has been one of the most successful cons to convince people that a load of man-made food that had to be heavily engineered just to be edible is somehow healthy for humans.

What about hormesis? Studies to back you up brother? ATM this has a few graphs, a video, one study, looks like a high school presentation brother.

The internet is full of studies about anti-nutrients. It would have been quicker for you to google them than typing out this vegtard cope.

 

[john2]

Great thread and I bookmarked it. I did watch a video from this thread that you previously sent me.

 

[Deleted member 6403]

Legit

Boiling vegetables and drinking their water is a better choice in terms of nutrient quality and anti-nutrients, for example

 

[lutte]

cool but why am I not tagged

 

[coolguy1]

what are the consaquences of eating these things?

die

 

[pizza]

his a drug addict

thats why he no norwood,drugs can stop totally your hairloss

 

[Clark69]

liked, bumped, bookmarked

fuck vegans and veganism

 

[VeryFuglyNiyguhs]

High IQ thread.

Although @Chintuck22 I would blame your and most people's inceldom more on BPA and the baby pill in the water. I remember reading how one guy doubled his T, 2 major factors using a water filter and not using plastic. The compounds in the pill and bpa contain much much more harmful types of estrogens.

Fun fact: BPA actually castrates men and masculinizes women, this results in masculine women and genetic fuckups like lorsss.

Serum Testosterone Concentrations and Urinary Bisphenol A, Benzophenone-3, Triclosan, and Paraben Levels in Male and Female Children and Adolescents: NHANES 2011–2012

Exposure to environmental phenols (e.g., bisphenol A, benzophenone-3, and triclosan) and parabens is widespread in the population. Many of these chemicals have been shown to have anti-androgenic effects both in vitro and in vivo.We examined the association ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Me personally I probably have klinefelters(my genitals are small with disproportionately long limbs and a short torso, a trait associated with LOW estrogen.)

@GripMaxxing rn

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Here he is next to his favorite thing.

 

[AscendingHero]

High IQ thread.

Although @Chintuck22 I would blame your and most people's inceldom more on BPA and the baby pill in the water. I remember reading how one guy doubled his T, 2 major factors using a water filter and not using plastic. The compounds in the pill and bpa contain much much more harmful types of estrogens.

Fun fact: BPA actually castrates men and masculinizes women, this results in masculine women and genetic fuckups like lorsss.

Serum Testosterone Concentrations and Urinary Bisphenol A, Benzophenone-3, Triclosan, and Paraben Levels in Male and Female Children and Adolescents: NHANES 2011–2012

Exposure to environmental phenols (e.g., bisphenol A, benzophenone-3, and triclosan) and parabens is widespread in the population. Many of these chemicals have been shown to have anti-androgenic effects both in vitro and in vivo.We examined the association ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

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Me personally I probably have klinefelters(my genitals are small with disproportionately long limbs and a short torso, a trait associated with LOW estrogen.)



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Eye Opening post, need to stop drinking plastic water botles and get a water filter ASAP.

 

[AscendingHero]

Anti-nutrients are negative substances found in plant foods that impair human metabolic function. They can inhibit digestive enzymes reduce mineral absorption as well as vitamin absorption.

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By looking at indigenous groups or traditional cultures and what they ate, it can tell us that the main thing that we need to know is that traditional groups consumed a minimum of 65% of their calories from animal foods. They got a large amount of bio-available vitamins and minerals from these animal foods. The difference between a group of peoples that consumed 65% of their calories from animal foods and 85% of the calories from animal foods or even 95 percent in some cases was physical impressiveness (Height, anthropometry, etc..);
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The more animal foods in the diet the taller the person was and you know generally better hunting skills were associated with that fact.

If you hear stories about the

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1) Mongols were big and strong.​

2) he Roman soldiers invaded Germany they said the Germans were tall and strong.​

3) Native Americans the newcomers to America spoke about how they could chase down bison on foot...​

Interesting stories about the physical impressiveness of these indigenous groups. not being said yes there are blue zones now such as Sardinians that consume smaller amounts of these animal foods and still consume high amounts of anti-nutrient containing plant foods and still live long healthy lives.

So the main thing to take away from this thread is going to be that there are certain anti nutrients that definitely need to be avoided in large amounts and that there are various preparation methods that should be used to reduce the anti nutrient content in certain foods.

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TYPES OF ANTINUTRIENTS

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1) Glucosinolates + Goitrogens family​

2) Lectins​

3) Glycoalkaloids​

4) Flavonoids​

5) Glutamates​

6) Gluten​

7) Phytic acid and oxalates.​

8) Biogenic/vasoactive amines ​

9) Mycotoxin and aflatoxin ​

10) Others...​

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GLUCOSINOLATES + GOITROGENS​

Glucosinolates is antinutrient which occur in cruciferous vegetables (Greens, salads) and the cruciferous vegetable family i think is originally from some sort of mustard seed and it's pretty much a bunch of modern vegetables that have all been created from an older one through genetical engineering (GMO) so it's kind of like unnatural to only be eating large amounts cruciferous vegetables and you can actually like google and look up people getting Goiter from consuming too much kale or eating too many cruciferous vegetables.

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These have shown free radical damage in animal studies, and in order to reduce the glucosinolate and alloy content, you have to boil the vegetable and most people consume vegetables either lightly cooked or raw salt. The levels of these other substances that are produced by glucosinolates are generally not inhibited by cooking because they're just not cooked long enough.

[PDF] Effect of Cooking and Sun Drying On Micronutrients, Antinutrients an Toxic Substances in Corchorus olitorius (Jute Mallow) | Semantic Scholar

Leafy vegetables generally contain some intrinsic phytotoxins that affect human health negatively at high concentrations. The presence of these toxins which is believed to protect the plant from their preys has severely limited the nutritional potential of vegetables. The reason that, this...

www.semanticscholar.org

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- Isothiocyanates stimulate detoxification enzymes, inflammatory response, they interfere with DNA segregation resulting in cell death, they inhibit iodine uptake which can kind of be countered with a higher iodine intake, but they also inhibit thyroid hormone and that can't be countered by anything. Consuming more iodine does not change that.​

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- Indoles inhibit ATP energy metabolism as well as estrogen metabolism - Night trials; Stimulate detoxification enzymes (same inflammatory reaction) and they actually cause cyanide related toxicity which results in reduced appetite and food intake, impaired kidney function, decreased energy production, more blood clotting as well as an increased liver weight, and can actually be obtained from cooked brussel sprouts or large amounts of certain cruciferous vegetables.​

So definitely a bunch of negative things that can be had from consuming cruciferous vegetables and incredibly large amounts, especially if raw or lightly cooked.

LECTINS​

Lectins (Grains, legumes, seeds) are a much bigger anti-nutrients nutrient that causes a lot of problems for people. Lectins-saponins and gluten are the main anti-nutrients associated with leaky gut and a lot of gut problems. Lectins in particular are contained in legumes grains, dairy (Because animal was feed a grain), and vegetable oils.

They damage the intestines because they're attracted to the sugar in the cell, and that pretty much causes cell damage and in some cases cell death. They commonly cause joint pain as well... Some people tolerate lectins better than others, but these can be reduced through traditional methods such as ferment or soaking.

- Saponins are very similar to lectins and that they damage the intestinal lining they also damaged red blood cells enzymes, and inhibit enzymes, thyroid function as well, and they have a foaming property - When saponins enter the body they foam up, and that's that's what part of what causes the cell damage. These are contained in soy, chickpeas, quinoa, asparagus, oats, onions, garlic, and tea. So consuming large amounts of improperly prepared oats, soy, quinoa, which is something vegans likely do, this can definitely contribute to some gut problems.​

GLYCOALKALOIDS​

Solanine and chaconine are actually two things that are viewed as beneficial in small amounts, but these inhibit the nerve synapse enzyme acetylcholinesterase, and they're found in large amounts in corn and potatoes. I haven't really seen too many negative things online about this because I don't think people consume large enough amounts of these foods raw.

- Solanine is the primary anti nutrient found in nightshades it inhibits the same nerve synapse enzyme that chaconine does, it disrupts cell membranes and can cause birth defects. It opens up the potassium channel of the mitochondria, decreasing membrane potential (what this essentially does is it increases the concentration of potassium in the cytoplasm resulting in cell damage or even cell death)

FLAVONOIDS​

Isoflavones (Phytoestrogens) are the first anti-nutrient that we definitely need to be avoiding. These are found in soy, peanuts, chickpeas, fava beans, kudzu, alfalfa in most cases food that is modern man-made and wasn't really available to humans. Until really recently (Through GMO). The main concern is the phyto-estrogens in these foods which is associated with reduced fertility, cell death in embryos, early puberty in women, also irregular cycle.. And woman fed a soy formula had menstrual cramps, as well as longer periods. Isoflavones resulted in breast cells in male rats, and altered brain development.

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I want to blame isoflavones and soy formula for a lot of the problems that made me truecel. I think it's something that's pretty much a poison and alters our hormones our system and everything I don't really want to go too much into that but it's definitely something we need to be avoiding, the soy is poisonous maybe even feeding it to animals isn't something we should be doing.

- Lignans are phytoestrogens that occur in seeds grains beans and berries although you would think they might have similar effects to ISIL fly bones the amount of final estrogens that occur in foods like soy and peanuts eclipse lignans by like dozen, 200 folds in many many cases. So although lignin still might be a concern specifically in consuming large amounts of seeds grains and beans in more wild indigenous foods I wouldn't worry too much as they're usually not consumed in any significant amount especially during all seasons of the year.​

GLUTAMATES​

Glutamates isn't really that big of a topic but this is mostly focusing on the additive of msg (Monosodium glutamate), not the msg that naturally occurs in foods. The additive can be associated with asthma, headache, hives, angioedema (like swelling of the skin), just various skin like inflammation to psychiatric disorders and convulsions in some cases

But glutamates do occur naturally in foods the reason meat tastes good especially dry aged meat is because it has high levels of umami, so do foods like mushrooms and tomatoes. A natural msg is not necessarily a bad thing to consume but additive is definitely to be avoided.

GLUTEN​

Gluten is a big one, gluten is an enzyme inhibitor and anything that inhibits enzymes impairs digestive function. If your body isn't producing enzymes to digest foods, what happens is the food kind of just ferment, and cysts in the stomach causes damage to cells. It promotes the growth of negative gut bacteria is associated with leaky gut, autoimmune disease, allergic reactions, cognitive problems, joint pain, headaches, fatigue, and poor memory.

I can personally vouch you know my father eats a lot of gluten and definitely has cognitive problems, and poor memory, as well as a lot of people I've noticed now, the gluten might be a big factor in that.

PHYTIC ACID AND OXALATES​

Phytic acid and oxalates are the two big things that are spoken about in a negative light on a vegan or vegetarian diet, and these inhibit various minerals. Phytic acid being found in grains and legumes oxalates being found in legumes and greens. Oxalates are also in high amounts in coconuts, so although I've listed a lot of foods that these things are contained in, I've probably missed a few things but there really isn't a lot of information on anti nutrient content and if you try to look up phytic acid content of nuts the information is difficult to find. I know for sure macadamia nuts are lowered in phytic acid than a lot of other nuts but that doesn't mean that they're low in oxalates.

Phytic acid primarily inhibits phosphorus, calcium, copper, iron, magnesium, zinc, and manganese. In regards to percentages you know phosphorus and calcium can be up to 80% and magnesium 40%, so not only is phytic acid inhibiting these minerals oxalates also overlap for things like calcium, and magnesium. So in a lot of cases between the phytic acid inhibiting mineral absorption and oxalates binding to minerals, a lot of vegans and vegetarians are getting negligible amounts of minerals in their diet. In the case of phytic acid, vitamin A and vitamin C can help counteract it but vegan and vegetarian diets are low in the animal form of retinoic acid vitamin A (animal form), that's why this is a problem in large amounts in diets without animal foods. They also inhibit digestive enzymes (amylase, trypsin, and pepsin) so not only is your starch digestion inhibited so is your protein digestion.

BIOGENIC/VASOACTIVE AMINES​

Biogenic/vasoactive amines are pretty much "histamines in plant foods", and these occur from fermentation, improper storage or decay and rotting. This can have heart rate problems, skin flushing, headaches. Scombroid poisoning is an example of a high histamine levels in fish, and that that's from improper storage of fish. So this isn't necessarily specific to plant foods but it can occur in plant foods as well.

MYCOTOXIN and ALFATOXIN​

Mycotoxin and aflatoxin are from fungus, and this is specifically from food handling and storage. Coffee and chocolate are examples of two foods that I don't believe would not ever not have high amounts of these - So if there's one reason to not consume coffee or chocolate it might just be because of the mycotoxin and the aflatoxin, whether or not different types of mold or problematic or not.. it's safe to say that both coffee and chocolate are very high in phytic acid, they're foods that are very high in oxalates very high in anti-nutrients in general especially these biogenic/vasoactive amines. In addition to the mycotoxins, it's hard to justify consuming either of those foods.

OTHERS​

- The salicylates are found in plants and spices, and although there's been negative associations with them there is sparse evidence just something I wanted to throw out there for this thread. And these are anti nutrients that can have drastic effects on some people but aren't really talked about a lot.


- Alpha amylase inhibitors are found in grains flours, and breads. These caused pancreatic problems in animal models and could very likely be a reason that a lot of people are getting pancreatic cancer now from just a high grain diet.

- Protease inhibitors found in legumes, greens, nuts, and grains impaired protein and peptide digestion. Could be a reason why a lot of vegans need to consume protein powders, to not be deficient in protein and also probably why a lot of vegans have naturally lower muscle mass if they're not taking steroids.

- Tannins can be enzyme inhibitors, cause protein deficiency, gastrointestinal distress.

- Trypsin inhibitors mainly associated with mineral deficiencies in children and are containing grain products.

- Sulfites you know cider wine dried fruit tend to be added. Several reports of reactions to sulfates, it's definitely problematic for some people.

- Benzoates which are added to sodas, jams, sweets, pickles... certain preserved foods. It's an antimicrobial that can cause hives, asthma, and just various skin problems.

WHAT CAN YOU DO + TLDR​

- The main two things to keep in mind are we absolutely should be avoiding are isoflavones and mycotoxins. Various other anti nutrients can be reduced with soaking, sprouting, various, cooking, and fermentation methods.. but I think the important thing as I said earlier is that your diet has a base amount of fat soluble vitamins, and if you do choose to include a plant food try to buy a high-quality indigenous natural version of that food. Don't go to the supermarket and buy a 50-pound bag of white rice, go by the local Minnesota wild rice that cost like ten dollars for a half a pound bag you know.

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These foods are super expensive if you want to buy high quality plant foods that's why I tend to stick primarily to a mostly animal diet, it's simply that these wild plant foods are just too expensive and too difficult to obtain.

THX FOR READING!

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Tagging nutrition enthusiasts
@Marsiere214 @Acnno @xefo @Kingkellz @AcneScars @kjsbdfiusdf @john2 @realklay11 @moonblunt @BalkanPig @pizza @ManletEater @Bitch @CokoMleko @Giourdani @RAITEIII @54UD4D3 @Dr Shekelberg @brbbrah @Chad1212 @Daw @Ethnicope @kvtthroat @RoundHouse @HeavenAdmιn @JL~

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Pin worthy aswell.


Liked, Bookmarked, Bumped, and shared. Fuck veganism and vegans. Anti-nutrients are something everyone should be aware of. Sick of the plant bs spewed across the internet. Quality post chintuck22

@Chintuck22 tag me next time bro, i too am I nutritional enthusiast.

 

[VeryFuglyNiyguhs]

A "male" in 2021.

A "female" in 2021.

The weapon of the Jews at work.

Of course this Estrogenic forum will say this woman like this are hot and ideal for whatever reason.

 

[GarixTheChad]

To be sincerely honest in my humble opinion, without being sentimental, and ofcourse without offending anyone who thinks differently from my direction but rather looking into this serious matter with a perspective distinction and without condemming anyone's point of view, i honestly think and feel that i have nothing to say.

 

[NeoDandi]

I boil spinach, potatoes & sweet potatoes and occasionally eat some tomatoes or carrots. Fruits mainly kiwis or oranges. Occasionally some eggplant, those good?

 

[thisend]

Top quality thread as expected. Keep up the good work.

 

[RIPPED IRL]

high iq thread

 

[RIPPED IRL]

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A "male" in 2021.

A "female" in 2021.
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The weapon of the Jews at work.

Of course this Estrogenic forum will say this woman like this are hot and ideal for whatever reason.

bro ill kill to have a woman like that to admire her jaw every single day

 

[ChristianChad]

I know all of these but good summery. If anyone hasn't get on the Ray Peat diet A S A P

 

[TsarTsar444]

OP you are God damn fucking right about the Lcetins, i legit got Ulcerative Colitis for falling for the fiber carbs meme and eating lots of lentils and oats, one month after doing this i got Ulcerative Colitis. I hate those vegan cunts with passion not because of me getting this, but because they would legit deny that Legumes and oats are super bad for your intestines. Fucking cunts, my grandparents eat primarily animals based diet and they are pushing 80 and my grandfather has ZERP illnesses, his heart and all other organs are in great function. Guy smokes for 50 years too

 

[RIPPED IRL]

if u want a big jaw join the carnivore diet lmaoo

 

[TsarTsar444]

Also op what site did u copy this from?

 

[VeryFuglyNiyguhs]

Eye Opening post, need to stop drinking plastic water botles and get a water filter ASAP.

They're also a common cause of manletism wristceldom(and by extension framecelism).

Being serious here, I'm much more concerned with height and frame. Shoulder width is super important, but. the wristpill and handpill are pretty much the framepill, you could literally measure a how strong a man based on wrist/hand size alone.

These pills are both extremely dehumanizing, much more than hair and maybe even!!! A guy who is bald, but tall and robust has a much better QoL than a guy who has hair, but is short and small framed.

The first guy would need a 90th+ percentile face to overcome being a midget and framelet.

ER is the perfect example of what I'm talking about. Facially he actually wasn't ugly. He was pretty neotenous and a hapa unfortunately, but other than that his face was like 6-7 range. Some pics he looked very good and model like. Being hapa and his neotenous facial features weren't ultimately why he was a trucel and was super unhappy. Actually even if he did score the super hot nordic gigastacy of his dreams and did get laid, I doubt he'd be truly happy. Most individuals would not take him seriously because his body makes him look like a overgrown toddler, his childish face and hapa only made this worse.

Some fruits and vegetables have compoundsid that help you combat the deadly weapon of the Jews, id also be careful with dairy.

 

[AutisticBeaner]

High IQ thread.

Although @Chintuck22 I would blame your and most people's inceldom more on BPA and the baby pill in the water. I remember reading how one guy doubled his T, 2 major factors using a water filter and not using plastic. The compounds in the pill and bpa contain much much more harmful types of estrogens.

Fun fact: BPA actually castrates men and masculinizes women, this results in masculine women and genetic fuckups like lorsss.

Serum Testosterone Concentrations and Urinary Bisphenol A, Benzophenone-3, Triclosan, and Paraben Levels in Male and Female Children and Adolescents: NHANES 2011–2012

Exposure to environmental phenols (e.g., bisphenol A, benzophenone-3, and triclosan) and parabens is widespread in the population. Many of these chemicals have been shown to have anti-androgenic effects both in vitro and in vivo.We examined the association ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

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Me personally I probably have klinefelters(my genitals are small with disproportionately long limbs and a short torso, a trait associated with LOW estrogen.)



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So this study looks at a group of people, divides them up into quartiles based on the amount of bpa and bp3 in their system. then it looks at the TT levels of those quartiles.
what if the ones with the least amount of bpa and bp3 are just the healthiest ones that are thus able to deal the best with bpa and bp3 getting into their body? then it would also be very likely that those healthy individuals also have the best testosterone levels.
otherwise, why would the same compound have the exact opposite reaction in an individual from the other gender?

 

[VeryFuglyNiyguhs]

Eye Opening post, need to stop drinking plastic water botles and get a water filter ASAP.

The nandrolone compound in the pill makes them much more effective at killing dimorphism. It has super harsh progestogenic side effects that make 19 nor steroids like tren and deca extremely suppressive.

There is something else that suppresses t levels hard people often ignore and that's really just the average body fat % of your modern male.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowb...nts-trim-physique-going-shirtless-Cannes.html Barrett is described as being trim and lean despite being 15%->20% body fat. I only guessed a range since you Can't measure accurately, even dexa messes up.

@AutisticBeaner
Being fat and excessive environmental estrogen exposure actually largely lowers a woman's own estrogen production and increases her t which then further lowers her estrogen to nonexistent levels. Think about which lesbians are more aggressive. In real life I notice it's ALWAYS the fat lesbians that act very butch and aggressive, never the slim and petite ones.

 

[King Solomon]

Seeds, nuts, legumes and grains have certain antinutrients and some have toxins that are designed to protect them and prevent animals from consuming them so they can grow. It's a survival mechanism built in. Sprouting these things can destroy these antinutrients and provide you with all the vitamins and minerals your body requires. I've found that hemp seeds have no antinutrients, they're alkaline and have the perfect omega ratio and are a complete protein. Other great additions are qinoa, almonds and lentils as these are all complete proteins, alkaline and lack the antinutrients when sprouted.
This is why humans are best when consuming high amounts of fruits aka alkaline foods that we're genetically and biologically designed to consume. Consumption of alkaline foods creates and alkaline environment in the body and prevents disease of all forms. Disease can only surivive in an acidic environment. This is why people are able to heal their cancer on all raw organic plant based diet (I've helped 5 people heal from cancer with this diet just this year). Foods that are alkaline are mostly fruits and vegtables and they're best in their raw form. Yes some have the oxalates but you can stay away from them or slightly steam them.
High Frequency foods. Foods that are alkaline happen to have a high vibrational frequency. This means these foods are high in sun energy that has a vibrational frequency that heals the body on a cellular level. It assits the body in detoxification and provides long sustaining energy. This is why people report feeling more energy on vegan diets. Calories are king to survive but frequency is King to thrive. Again, the high frequency foods are very similar to the high alkaline foods in raw fruits and veggies but also herbs and spices. Some nuts and seeds as well or sprouted grain

Animal flesh and milk can give the body nutrients and calories but lacks vital energy as shown in the link below and is high in cholesterol which is the #1 cause of heart disease which is the #1 cause of death in America. So, unless you want to kill yourself faster and die at a young age this isn't a good idea. Consumption of animal products by herbivores causes heart disease of some degree and only causes heart disease in herbavores. Humans are no exception to the rule. From every aspect of our digestive system we're biologically most similar to frugivores from how we walk to how far our mouth opens to our teeth, how we chew food, having big salvary glands, alkaline urine, requiring fiber to promote peristalisis, weak hydrochloric acid, the length of our intestines, etc etc etc.. The list goes on and on as everything is quite the opposite of how an omnivore or carnivore is designed. If you wish to speed up the aging process, cause disease and have an early grave then I would suggest eating all meat.

Now there have been studies of inuits and Aleuts in Alaska and their diet was over 90% meat with the exception of berries for the most part. There bones and diets have been studied and no matter how far you go back in time they have high rates of arthiritis, heart disease and their average life spans were around 50 years of age.

In the end if you wish to live a long happy and healthy life full of energy and have great skin and become disease free then eat an alkaline high vibrational frequency diet full of raw organic whole plant based foods like fruits, veggies, herbs, and some sprouted nuts, seeds and grains. If you wish to be full of disease, have bad skin, low energy, live a short life then feel free to consume high amounts of processed foods, meats, sugars, milk, non sprouted nuts, grains, legumes and seeds. Also maintain a low body fat and eat at maintenance or just enough to gain the muslce mass you desire without the extra adipose.


The greatest and longest study to promote a plant based diet was the Okinawan diet which was 96% vegan with only 1% dairy and 1% meat it included high amounts of purple sweet potatoes as 70% of their diet and 12% was rice. They have the highest amount of centurians and lowest amount of disease per capita in the world yet consume the lowest amounts of animal based products. If I were to imrpove their diet to maximize their life spans I would boost the fruits, and eliminate all non sprouted grains and legumes, animal products and oils. I would increase the fat content with avocdos, coconuts and hemp seeds.

Their diet was essentially anti paleo anti carnivore, and anti-carb diet fads like atkins diet or the keto diet.

Most people won't give it a try since they've been brainwashed to believe the propaganda machine from the meat and dairy industry. I compare them to Edison who ran fake campaigns to destroy Nikola Tesla even though Tesla had the superior product. Eventually the truth will come to light. Now that we no longer need to just barely survive and slaughter animals for survival and culture is no longer an excuse either we now have the time, technology, science and resources to understand what we should be consuming and why. This will still be difficult due to all these years of brainwashing and all these money making machines that thrive off slaughtering and enslaving animals. I was never a save the animals type of dude as I did this for health and longevity but the ethics and logic just doesn't add up for killing animals for no reason other than taste at this point.

 

[TsarTsar444]

Seeds, nuts, legumes and grains have certain antinutrients and some have toxins that are designed to protect them and prevent animals from consuming them so they can grow. It's a survival mechanism built in. Sprouting these things can destroy these antinutrients and provide you with all the vitamins and minerals your body requires. I've found that hemp seeds have no antinutrients, they're alkaline and have the perfect omega ratio and are a complete protein. Other great additions are qinoa, almonds and lentils as these are all complete proteins, alkaline and lack the antinutrients when sprouted.
This is why humans are best when consuming high amounts of fruits aka alkaline foods that we're genetically and biologically designed to consume. Consumption of alkaline foods creates and alkaline environment in the body and prevents disease of all forms. Disease can only surivive in an acidic environment. This is why people are able to heal their cancer on all raw organic plant based diet (I've helped 5 people heal from cancer with this diet just this year). Foods that are alkaline are mostly fruits and vegtables and they're best in their raw form. Yes some have the oxalates but you can stay away from them or slightly steam them.
High Frequency foods. Foods that are alkaline happen to have a high vibrational frequency. This means these foods are high in sun energy that has a vibrational frequency that heals the body on a cellular level. It assits the body in detoxification and provides long sustaining energy. This is why people report feeling more energy on vegan diets. Calories are king to survive but frequency is King to thrive. Again, the high frequency foods are very similar to the high alkaline foods in raw fruits and veggies but also herbs and spices. Some nuts and seeds as well or sprouted grain

Animal flesh and milk can give the body nutrients and calories but lacks vital energy as shown in the link below and is high in cholesterol which is the #1 cause of heart disease which is the #1 cause of death in America. So, unless you want to kill yourself faster and die at a young age this isn't a good idea. Consumption of animal products by herbivores causes heart disease of some degree and only causes heart disease in herbavores. Humans are no exception to the rule. From every aspect of our digestive system we're biologically most similar to frugivores from how we walk to how far our mouth opens to our teeth, how we chew food, having big salvary glands, alkaline urine, requiring fiber to promote peristalisis, weak hydrochloric acid, the length of our intestines, etc etc etc.. The list goes on and on as everything is quite the opposite of how an omnivore or carnivore is designed. If you wish to speed up the aging process, cause disease and have an early grave then I would suggest eating all meat.

Now there have been studies of inuits and Aleuts in Alaska and their diet was over 90% meat with the exception of berries for the most part. There bones and diets have been studied and no matter how far you go back in time they have high rates of arthiritis, heart disease and their average life spans were around 50 years of age.

In the end if you wish to live a long happy and healthy life full of energy and have great skin and become disease free then eat an alkaline high vibrational frequency diet full of raw organic whole plant based foods like fruits, veggies, herbs, and some sprouted nuts, seeds and grains. If you wish to be full of disease, have bad skin, low energy, live a short life then feel free to consume high amounts of processed foods, meats, sugars, milk, non sprouted nuts, grains, legumes and seeds. Also maintain a low body fat and eat at maintenance or just enough to gain the muslce mass you desire without the extra adipose.


The greatest and longest study to promote a plant based diet was the Okinawan diet which was 96% vegan with only 1% dairy and 1% meat it included high amounts of purple sweet potatoes as 70% of their diet and 12% was rice. They have the highest amount of centurians and lowest amount of disease per capita in the world yet consume the lowest amounts of animal based products. If I were to imrpove their diet to maximize their life spans I would boost the fruits, and eliminate all non sprouted grains and legumes, animal products and oils. I would increase the fat content with avocdos, coconuts and hemp seeds.

Their diet was essentially anti paleo anti carnivore, and anti-carb diet fads like atkins diet or the keto diet.

Most people won't give it a try since they've been brainwashed to believe the propaganda machine from the meat and dairy industry. I compare them to Edison who ran fake campaigns to destroy Nikola Tesla even though Tesla had the superior product. Eventually the truth will come to light. Now that we no longer need to just barely survive and slaughter animals for survival and culture is no longer an excuse either we now have the time, technology, science and resources to understand what we should be consuming and why. This will still be difficult due to all these years of brainwashing and all these money making machines that thrive off slaughtering and enslaving animals. I was never a save the animals type of dude as I did this for health and longevity but the ethics and logic just doesn't add up for killing animals for no reason other than taste at this point.

Started laughing at the energy part, hope you are trolling jfl. Everytime i eat red meat i feel full of life, nothing else compares. Imagine unironically wanting to eat fucking plants and not meat, something that was considered a huge luxury for historical humans and todays animals, and we have vegans voluntarily not eating natures super food , humans are a fucking meme

Red Meat is in no way bad for you, it has all essential amino acids and tastes delicious. And saturated fats in small quantities don't cause heart problems WHEN u balance it out with things like olive oil, if HDL is higher then LDL then the transport of fatty acids in the blood gets balanced off and the arteries don't get clothed. There are people who aeat carnivore diet for decades and their skin is great and they are completely healthy, even done blood work for proof. You can see many examples on Youtube.

Basically the key is not too much saturated fats and more activity, lean red meat on its own hasn't been shown to cause cancer, only processed has

 

[King Solomon]

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Started laughing at the energy part, hope you are trolling jfl. Everytime i eat red meat i feel full of life, nothing else compares. Imagine unironically wanting to eat fucking plants and not meat, something that was considered a huge luxury for historical humans and todays animals, and we have vegans voluntarily not eating natures super food , humans are a fucking meme

Red Meat is in no way bad for you, it has all essential amino acids and tastes delicious. And saturated fats in small quantities don't cause heart problems WHEN u balance it out with things like olive oil, if HDL is higher then LDL then the transport of fatty acids in the blood gets balanced off and the arteries don't get clothed. There are people who aeat carnivore diet for decades and their skin is great and they are completely healthy, even done blood work for proof. You can see many examples on Youtube.

Basically the key is not too much saturated fats and more activity, lean red meat on its own hasn't been shown to cause cancer, only processed has

I started laughing at the part where you're calling animals a super food and you're committing suicide due to your own ignorance. Hilarious, enjoy an early grave man. I think the extra cholesterol in your diet is preventing proper blood flow to your brain and clouding your judgement.

Again, animal products can provide one with minerals and calories but is acidic, has a low vibrational frequency and the cholesterol causes heart disease. That's it case closed and this case has been closed for decades. This shouldn't even be a discussion anymore.

The Okinawans didn't become the longest living healthiest people on the planet by consuming animals they did it by consuming almost all plant based foods.

 

[TsarTsar444]

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I started laughing at the part where you're calling animals a super food and you're committing suicide due to your own ignorance. Hilarious, enjoy an early grave man. I think the extra cholesterol in your diet is preventing proper blood flow to your brain and clouding your judgement.

Again, animal products can provide one with minerals and calories but is acidic, has a low vibrational frequency and the cholesterol causes heart disease. That's it case closed and this case has been closed for decades. This shouldn't even be a discussion anymore.

The Okinawans didn't become the longest living healthiest people on the planet by consuming animals they did it by consuming almost all plant based foods.

Heart disease is caused by way to much animal fats, its not caused by lean meats. If you ingest more non saturated then saturated fats you will have no problems.

Early grave? Yeah go tell that to both my grandfathers and their brothers who are all almost 80 and never eat mostly animal based diet. Non of them have heart problems. Humans are omnviors and meant to survive in the most difficult situations, we arent herbivores, we dont have 4 stomachs like them, we have small canine teath that is meant to eat soft cuts of meat or bugs

And sure maybe plant based is better for longevity, but why would i care if i die at 75 and not 85? You are going to die anyways and at those ages you don't have much to live for except the memories you made