ANTI-NUTRIENTS MEGATHREAD - Plants are DANGEROUS 🌿⚠️

[jaw_is_law]

fruits are good mostly only some suck

no they are not but should be less than 10% of your total diet

 

[Deleted member 5189]

if you want to eat vegetables eat vegetables not saying you have to eat them

No one wants to eat them

 

[Deleted member 5189]

bullshit suppliment the vitamins and minerals you need to take

If you eat your natural diet you don't need supplements which dont work in the first place

 

[autistic_tendencies]

Good thread but coconuts are safe to consume. ZERO oxalates

 

[jaw_is_law]

No one wants to eat them

ok

 

[jaw_is_law]

If you eat your natural diet you don't need supplements which dont work in the first place

its just bullshit taking supplements work if you take them the right way we know this

and not everybody needs to but you can benefit from supplementing certain nutrients and vitamins

 

[Deleted member 5189]

its just bullshit taking supplements work if you take them the right way we know this

and not everybody needs to but you can benefit from supplementing certain nutrients and vitamins

There's zero proof that they work and zero reason to take them

 

[jaw_is_law]

There's zero proof that they work and zero reason to take them

you can have your own opinion do what you will

 

[Lars]

Supplements don't work and you don't need them if you're eating your natural diet

LIVERRR

 

[autistic_tendencies]

LIVERRR

Taste like shit

 

[Lars]

Taste like shit

i know but, being healthy feels amazing

 

[EnjoyerOf Water]

To summarize, do I have to avoid soy and derivatives, do I boil vegetables very well with plenty of water, and do I take care of mycotoxins?, doesn't sound very complex.

 

[Lihito]

High IQ thread.

Although @Chintuck22 I would blame your and most people's inceldom more on BPA and the baby pill in the water. I remember reading how one guy doubled his T, 2 major factors using a water filter and not using plastic. The compounds in the pill and bpa contain much much more harmful types of estrogens.

Fun fact: BPA actually castrates men and masculinizes women, this results in masculine women and genetic fuckups like lorsss.

Serum Testosterone Concentrations and Urinary Bisphenol A, Benzophenone-3, Triclosan, and Paraben Levels in Male and Female Children and Adolescents: NHANES 2011–2012

Exposure to environmental phenols (e.g., bisphenol A, benzophenone-3, and triclosan) and parabens is widespread in the population. Many of these chemicals have been shown to have anti-androgenic effects both in vitro and in vivo.We examined the association ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

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Me personally I probably have klinefelters(my genitals are small with disproportionately long limbs and a short torso, a trait associated with LOW estrogen.)



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Interesting read but its weird to me how does the estrogen not filter ?

 

[Deprived]

Are multivitamins legit?

 

[softlysoftly]

What about hormesis? Studies to back you up brother? ATM this has a few graphs, a video, one study, looks like a high school presentation brother.

this exactly this and the stupid people of the forum fell for his colorful words and images

@Ada Mustang
You failed again. I don’t care about some pretty pictures. If you were in a science environment you would have lost your job if you had provided this as evidence. You haven’t provided a single peer reviewed publication. Pretty impressive honestly.

@mods
@Gargantuan @her @PapiMew @Kingkellz @tyronelite @Ascending Hero @Lorsss please remove this thread from the botb section it is like a literal disgrace to the section because it is filled to the brim with misinformation and all the claims he makes are not supported by any of the human outcome data that exists. He makes claims and provides no evidence to back it up. He is literally giving unhealthy advice please I beg you the least you guys can do is remove this shit thread from this section please!

 

[Chintuck22]

this exactly this and the stupid people of the forum fell for his colorful words and images

@Ada Mustang
You failed again. I don’t care about some pretty pictures. If you were in a science environment you would have lost your job if you had provided this as evidence. You haven’t provided a single peer reviewed publication. Pretty impressive honestly.

@mods
@Gargantuan @her @PapiMew @Kingkellz @tyronelite @Ascending Hero @Lorsss please remove this thread from the botb section it is like a literal disgrace to the section because it is filled to the brim with misinformation and all the claims he makes are not supported by any of the human outcome data that exists. He makes claims and provides no evidence to back it up. He is literally giving unhealthy advice please I beg you the least you guys can do is remove this shit thread from this section please!

Go fuck yourself you kiddo

Daily reminder this is you

"Muh soy (isoflavones) doesn't cause gyno, and oxalates are safe to consume"

Like shut the fuck up... @Kingkellz @Gargantuan @tyronelite for the safety of this forum please ban user @softlysoftly because he spreads misinformation which can potentially kill other users. He says bullshit nonsense like consumation of Omega 6 is good for you. While it's intake is directly linked to coronary heart disease and mortality in people

 

[softlysoftly]

Go fuck yourself you kiddo

Daily reminder this is you
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"Muh soy (isoflavones) doesn't cause gyno, and oxalates are safe to consume"

Like shut the fuck up... @Kingkellz @Gargantuan @tyronelite for the safety of this forum please ban user @softlysoftly because he spreads misinformation which can potentially kill other users. He says bullshit nonsense like consumation of Omega 6 is good for you. While it's intake is directly linked to coronary heart disease and mortality in people

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You failed again. I don’t care about some pretty pictures. If you were in a science environment you would have lost your job if you had provided this as evidence. You haven’t provided a single peer reviewed publication. Pretty impressive honestly.

This is like also why they moved your shitty thread out of the botb section

 

[Chintuck22]

This is like also why they moved your shitty thread out of the botb section

I don't give a fuck to be honest, thread was about helping other people, but if people don't want help - so be it.

Your attempt to drag me down is insignificant just like everything on this god-forsaken forum. You just care about some meaningless internet points and attention from other retards such as yourself. I haven't posted a BotB-worthy thread since 2020 because retards like you just don't deserve any help in this world, and i could not be bothered to argue with insignificant junkie who just doesn't resonate on my intellectual level - So pls fuck off.

I also have Nutritionist certificate, so everything i said is legitimate information.

 

[softlysoftly]

I also have Nutritionist certificate, so everything i said is legitimate information.

You are probably lying about this like you do with many other things and even if you do, having a certificate is not a license to spread misinformation.

HAVING A DEGREE OR CERTIFICATE DOESNT MEAN YOU CAN MAKE UP BULLSHIT SCIENCE, THE DATA HAS TO SUPPORT YOUR CLAIMS
THERE IS NO HUMAN OUTCOME DATA SHOWING NEGATIVE EFFECTS OF EATING PLANTS BASED FOODS. In fact it shows the opposite, only positives.

thread was about helping other people,

More lies from you
You like make these elaborate threads with crazy colors and formatting so you can get reacts and parade around the forum as someone who is supposedly High IQ.
This is especially funny because in reality you are one of the lowest iq users on the forum.

Your attempt to drag me

There is no attempt to drag you down you clueless idiot.
I already said this to you like a million times.

STOP SPREADING MISINFORMATION AND I WONT EVEN INTERACT WITH YOU. IF YOU KEEP MAKING BULLSHIT CLAIMS NOT SUPPORTED BY ANY SOLID EVIDENCE I WILL CALL YOU OUT. PLAIN AND SIMPLE AS THAT.

 

[Ultravisionary Bism]

You are probably lying about this like you do with many other things and even if you do, having a certificate is not a license to spread misinformation.

HAVING A DEGREE OR CERTIFICATE DOESNT MEAN YOU CAN MAKE UP BULLSHIT SCIENCE, THE DATA HAS TO SUPPORT YOUR CLAIMS
THERE IS NO HUMAN OUTCOME DATA SHOWING NEGATIVE EFFECTS OF EATING PLANTS BASED FOODS. In fact it shows the opposite, only positives.



More lies from you
You like make these elaborate threads with crazy colors and formatting so you can get reacts and parade around the forum as someone who is supposedly High IQ.
This is especially funny because in reality you are one of the lowest iq users on the forum.

There is no attempt to drag you down you clueless idiot.
I already said this to you like a million times.

STOP SPREADING MISINFORMATION AND I WONT EVEN INTERACT WITH YOU. IF YOU KEEP MAKING BULLSHIT CLAIMS NOT SUPPORTED BY ANY SOLID EVIDENCE I WILL CALL YOU OUT. PLAIN AND SIMPLE AS THAT.

KILL YOURSELF GYMCELL COPER FAGGOT KYS

 

[Deleted member 19442]

Animals get their vibrational frequency benefits just from being out in the sun themselves. Vegans are tired as fuck.

Ik this is anecdotal but I might as well say it, a few days ago we were at a restaurant and my mum who's vegan and had salad, afterwards said that she felt really tired after eating it.

For me personally, when I used to try to eat salads, it would take me fucking ages. I just couldn't get it down as fast and of course afterwards it would lower my energy.

Also when I eat brocolli and potato I genuinely literally gag. Next time you have brocolli or potato. Keep it in your mouth for thirty seconds to a minute and only chew on it lightly and you'll literally start to gag. Your body is trying to tell you something.

And remember those potatoes and brocolli have been mutated from natural selection, so if you were to try to eat a wild brocolli or potato, you would probably start gagging instantly.

Yeah based tbh, how come my mouth basically rejects salad? It’s clearly unnatural

 

[softlysoftly]

Yeah based tbh, how come my mouth basically rejects salad? It’s clearly unnatural

You are not meant to chew raw plant matter like a cow, you should cook and spice it
Gagging and not liking the taste doesn't prove its bad for you that is like saying chocolate bars taste good so it must be good for you.
Stuff like potatoes are good for you as long as you don't exceed your daily caloric threshold. They are one of the better carb sources due to low glycemic index and high satiety index

 

[lucidity]

Bruh this is cope.

Everyone knows the meat you buy is injected with so much hormones and antibiotics it'll make you die if it were done the same to you.

The only reason why meat has so much vitamin B12 is cause they give the livestock supplements.

 

[Deleted member 19442]

You are not meant to chew raw plant matter like a cow, you should cook and spice it
Gagging and not liking the taste doesn't prove its bad for you that is like saying chocolate bars taste good so it must be good for you.
Stuff like potatoes are good for you as long as you don't exceed your daily caloric threshold. They are one of the better carb sources due to low glycemic index and high satiety index

Kys. Let me cope nigga

 

[Survivor95]

bump for op
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Second guy have some bad chest insertion, looks like boobs

 

[Lawton88]

balding is 100% genes


my dad is in his 50s and his a drug addict with a bad lifestyle who did manuel labor most of his life, no dieting, nothing like that yet hasn't experienced any hairloss at all


then you got guys on these sites putting 5 different creams on there head, going on some crazy diet and doing all this other shit just to be nw5 in there mid twenties

Yep if you have certain type top of skull shapes you are almost destined to have balding also.

 

[cabbage]

this is debunked pseudoscience

 

[Aladin]

It's not the animal fat it's the cholesterol from animal products that is the direct cause an the main cause of heart disease which is the #1 killer in America (more than war, murder, accidents, cancer, etc)

Your grandfathers are anecdotal claims which is great but insufficient for substantiating claims. Most likely they have superior genetics or kept in great athletic condition to fight off the negative effects to pro long their lives a bit longer. Perhaps a plant based diet would've prolonged their life even more and reduced disease or pain they did have. We will never know now because they're gone now unfortunately.

We're biologically and genetically most similar to frugivores. Again we have 20 plus things within our bodies that are similar from our intestines being long (carnivores and omnivores have short intestines to push out the animal meat and organs fast so it doesn't rot, teeth, the way we chew our food. We do not have canine teeth we have incisors for thicker plants. Bears are omnivores and have real canines. The alkalinity in our colon is alkaline while omnivores and carnivores are acidic. The list goes on for a while.

http://creationislove.com/wp-content/uploads/comparative-anatomy-of-frugivore-768x1299.jpg

The goal isn't just longevity my dude. It's health and feeling of well being. You add years to your life and life to your years. You look and feel better than you ever thought imaginable. The lie of aging is blue pill thinking. Most people in America by the time they're 40 look and feel over the hill. They have chronic pain, chronic disease and look old, slow with low energy. This isn't just meat though this is processed foods, GMO's and chemicals in and on the foods. This causes terrible aging and a horrible life after 40 or 50 years old. It doesn't have to be this way. If you watch the documentary on the Okinawans, the centurians were fucking playing games outside running around like kids and still enjoying life. With the way society and the food and healthcare industry is built it makes us believe that we need thousands of medications, we need to stay at senior living homes and by the time we reach 70 years of age the last 10 years or so we're just miserable vetables that can't function. This is a complete lie with what the human being is designed to become later in life. Sure you may slow down some but with proper diet, exercise, sleep, water, mediation, and healthy relationships one can not only live into their 100's but well into their 100's and still be active and have good cognitive abilities.


When I was still a wage slave a couple years ago I remember talking to the people over 40 years of age and still had about 20+ years left of being a wage slave they already looked and told me they felt like they weren't even going to live until their retirement. This is just sad. The problem is promoting a healthylifestyle is like promoting the black pill. The truth gets cancelled or deleted to the ghettos of the internet and even still it's hard to convince most normies who've been brainwashed their entire lives with public education.

You only live one life on this earth and you never know something entirely until you try and compare things. If you're on a full meat diet well try it and see what happens. But if you want to fully immerse yourself into finding the truth you have to test other things and I would highly suggest testing out a whole foods organic plant based diet which consists mostly of raw fruits and veggies with some seeds, nuts and some sprouted legumes and grains with a bit of herbs and spices.

Cholesterol isn’t bad for you retard. I bet you think there is good cholesterol and bad cholesterol.

 

[Aladin]

Started laughing at the energy part, hope you are trolling jfl. Everytime i eat red meat i feel full of life, nothing else compares. Imagine unironically wanting to eat fucking plants and not meat, something that was considered a huge luxury for historical humans and todays animals, and we have vegans voluntarily not eating natures super food , humans are a fucking meme

Red Meat is in no way bad for you, it has all essential amino acids and tastes delicious. And saturated fats in small quantities don't cause heart problems WHEN u balance it out with things like olive oil, if HDL is higher then LDL then the transport of fatty acids in the blood gets balanced off and the arteries don't get clothed. There are people who aeat carnivore diet for decades and their skin is great and they are completely healthy, even done blood work for proof. You can see many examples on Youtube.

Basically the key is not too much saturated fats and more activity, lean red meat on its own hasn't been shown to cause cancer, only processed has

Do u think saturated fat is bad? Wait seriously?

 

[Aladin]

- Saponins are very similar to lectins and that they damage the intestinal lining they also damaged red blood cells enzymes, and inhibit enzymes, thyroid function as well, and they have a foaming property - When saponins enter the body they foam up, and that's that's what part of what causes the cell damage. These are contained in soy, chickpeas, quinoa, asparagus, oats, onions, garlic, and tea. So consuming large amounts of improperly prepared oats, soy, quinoa, which is something vegans likely do, this can definitely contribute to some gut problems.

Further explanation:

 

[rawmilk]

In addition to the mycotoxins, it's hard to justify consuming either of those foods.

Magnesium in pure chocolates?

 

[bussi]

Great article, very complete. I feel that if you eat vegetables you should reduce your intake and increase animal foods rich in fat soluble vitamins as revealed by Dr. Weston Price.

 

[Aladin]

Spinach is the worst vegetable.

 

[R@m@]

I think we instintively crave sugar and meat and dont need to eat frequently, this is what I observe in tribes, they hunt meat and search honey and they only eat once per day or can go days without eating

Spinach makes me feel great too

 

[Deleted member 100504]

I think we instintively crave sugar and meat and dont need to eat frequently, this is what I observe in tribes, they hunt meat and search honey and they only eat once per day or can go days without eating

Spinach makes me feel great too

Spinach is super high in oxolates but high in zinc

 

[Deleted member 84661]

High iq, too bad that fat nigger didnt take care of his hard drives so every attachment is gone now sadly

 

[the_nextDavidLaid]

High iq, too bad that fat nigger didnt take care of his hard drives so every attachment is gone now sadly

I think it's a problem with @Master bro

 

[DR. NICKGA]

Psuedoscience beside the gluten part

 

[Deleted member 84661]

I think it's a problem with @Master bro

Dude wants me banned lol

 

[💎darko]

Anti-nutrients are negative substances found in plant foods that impair human metabolic function. They can inhibit digestive enzymes reduce mineral absorption as well as vitamin absorption.

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By looking at indigenous groups or traditional cultures and what they ate, it can tell us that the main thing that we need to know is that traditional groups consumed a minimum of 65% of their calories from animal foods. They got a large amount of bio-available vitamins and minerals from these animal foods. The difference between a group of peoples that consumed 65% of their calories from animal foods and 85% of the calories from animal foods or even 95 percent in some cases was physical impressiveness (Height, anthropometry, etc..);
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The more animal foods in the diet the taller the person was and you know generally better hunting skills were associated with that fact.

If you hear stories about the

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1) Mongols were big and strong.​

2) he Roman soldiers invaded Germany they said the Germans were tall and strong.​

3) Native Americans the newcomers to America spoke about how they could chase down bison on foot...​

Interesting stories about the physical impressiveness of these indigenous groups. not being said yes there are blue zones now such as Sardinians that consume smaller amounts of these animal foods and still consume high amounts of anti-nutrient containing plant foods and still live long healthy lives.

So the main thing to take away from this thread is going to be that there are certain anti nutrients that definitely need to be avoided in large amounts and that there are various preparation methods that should be used to reduce the anti nutrient content in certain foods.

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TYPES OF ANTINUTRIENTS

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1) Glucosinolates + Goitrogens family​

2) Lectins​

3) Glycoalkaloids​

4) Flavonoids​

5) Glutamates​

6) Gluten​

7) Phytic acid and oxalates.​

8) Biogenic/vasoactive amines ​

9) Mycotoxin and aflatoxin ​

10) Others...​

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GLUCOSINOLATES + GOITROGENS​

Glucosinolates is antinutrient which occur in cruciferous vegetables (Greens, salads) and the cruciferous vegetable family i think is originally from some sort of mustard seed and it's pretty much a bunch of modern vegetables that have all been created from an older one through genetical engineering (GMO) so it's kind of like unnatural to only be eating large amounts cruciferous vegetables and you can actually like google and look up people getting Goiter from consuming too much kale or eating too many cruciferous vegetables.

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These have shown free radical damage in animal studies, and in order to reduce the glucosinolate and alloy content, you have to boil the vegetable and most people consume vegetables either lightly cooked or raw salt. The levels of these other substances that are produced by glucosinolates are generally not inhibited by cooking because they're just not cooked long enough.

[PDF] Effect of Cooking and Sun Drying On Micronutrients, Antinutrients an Toxic Substances in Corchorus olitorius (Jute Mallow) | Semantic Scholar

Leafy vegetables generally contain some intrinsic phytotoxins that affect human health negatively at high concentrations. The presence of these toxins which is believed to protect the plant from their preys has severely limited the nutritional potential of vegetables. The reason that, this...

www.semanticscholar.org

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- Isothiocyanates stimulate detoxification enzymes, inflammatory response, they interfere with DNA segregation resulting in cell death, they inhibit iodine uptake which can kind of be countered with a higher iodine intake, but they also inhibit thyroid hormone and that can't be countered by anything. Consuming more iodine does not change that.​

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- Indoles inhibit ATP energy metabolism as well as estrogen metabolism - Night trials; Stimulate detoxification enzymes (same inflammatory reaction) and they actually cause cyanide related toxicity which results in reduced appetite and food intake, impaired kidney function, decreased energy production, more blood clotting as well as an increased liver weight, and can actually be obtained from cooked brussel sprouts or large amounts of certain cruciferous vegetables.​

So definitely a bunch of negative things that can be had from consuming cruciferous vegetables and incredibly large amounts, especially if raw or lightly cooked.

LECTINS​

Lectins (Grains, legumes, seeds) are a much bigger anti-nutrients nutrient that causes a lot of problems for people. Lectins-saponins and gluten are the main anti-nutrients associated with leaky gut and a lot of gut problems. Lectins in particular are contained in legumes grains, dairy (Because animal was feed a grain), and vegetable oils.

They damage the intestines because they're attracted to the sugar in the cell, and that pretty much causes cell damage and in some cases cell death. They commonly cause joint pain as well... Some people tolerate lectins better than others, but these can be reduced through traditional methods such as ferment or soaking.

- Saponins are very similar to lectins and that they damage the intestinal lining they also damaged red blood cells enzymes, and inhibit enzymes, thyroid function as well, and they have a foaming property - When saponins enter the body they foam up, and that's that's what part of what causes the cell damage. These are contained in soy, chickpeas, quinoa, asparagus, oats, onions, garlic, and tea. So consuming large amounts of improperly prepared oats, soy, quinoa, which is something vegans likely do, this can definitely contribute to some gut problems.​

GLYCOALKALOIDS​

Solanine and chaconine are actually two things that are viewed as beneficial in small amounts, but these inhibit the nerve synapse enzyme acetylcholinesterase, and they're found in large amounts in corn and potatoes. I haven't really seen too many negative things online about this because I don't think people consume large enough amounts of these foods raw.

- Solanine is the primary anti nutrient found in nightshades it inhibits the same nerve synapse enzyme that chaconine does, it disrupts cell membranes and can cause birth defects. It opens up the potassium channel of the mitochondria, decreasing membrane potential (what this essentially does is it increases the concentration of potassium in the cytoplasm resulting in cell damage or even cell death)

FLAVONOIDS​

Isoflavones (Phytoestrogens) are the first anti-nutrient that we definitely need to be avoiding. These are found in soy, peanuts, chickpeas, fava beans, kudzu, alfalfa in most cases food that is modern man-made and wasn't really available to humans. Until really recently (Through GMO). The main concern is the phyto-estrogens in these foods which is associated with reduced fertility, cell death in embryos, early puberty in women, also irregular cycle.. And woman fed a soy formula had menstrual cramps, as well as longer periods. Isoflavones resulted in breast cells in male rats, and altered brain development.

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I want to blame isoflavones and soy formula for a lot of the problems that made me truecel. I think it's something that's pretty much a poison and alters our hormones our system and everything I don't really want to go too much into that but it's definitely something we need to be avoiding, the soy is poisonous maybe even feeding it to animals isn't something we should be doing.

- Lignans are phytoestrogens that occur in seeds grains beans and berries although you would think they might have similar effects to ISIL fly bones the amount of final estrogens that occur in foods like soy and peanuts eclipse lignans by like dozen, 200 folds in many many cases. So although lignin still might be a concern specifically in consuming large amounts of seeds grains and beans in more wild indigenous foods I wouldn't worry too much as they're usually not consumed in any significant amount especially during all seasons of the year.​

GLUTAMATES​

Glutamates isn't really that big of a topic but this is mostly focusing on the additive of msg (Monosodium glutamate), not the msg that naturally occurs in foods. The additive can be associated with asthma, headache, hives, angioedema (like swelling of the skin), just various skin like inflammation to psychiatric disorders and convulsions in some cases

But glutamates do occur naturally in foods the reason meat tastes good especially dry aged meat is because it has high levels of umami, so do foods like mushrooms and tomatoes. A natural msg is not necessarily a bad thing to consume but additive is definitely to be avoided.

GLUTEN​

Gluten is a big one, gluten is an enzyme inhibitor and anything that inhibits enzymes impairs digestive function. If your body isn't producing enzymes to digest foods, what happens is the food kind of just ferment, and cysts in the stomach causes damage to cells. It promotes the growth of negative gut bacteria is associated with leaky gut, autoimmune disease, allergic reactions, cognitive problems, joint pain, headaches, fatigue, and poor memory.

I can personally vouch you know my father eats a lot of gluten and definitely has cognitive problems, and poor memory, as well as a lot of people I've noticed now, the gluten might be a big factor in that.

PHYTIC ACID AND OXALATES​

Phytic acid and oxalates are the two big things that are spoken about in a negative light on a vegan or vegetarian diet, and these inhibit various minerals. Phytic acid being found in grains and legumes oxalates being found in legumes and greens. Oxalates are also in high amounts in coconuts, so although I've listed a lot of foods that these things are contained in, I've probably missed a few things but there really isn't a lot of information on anti nutrient content and if you try to look up phytic acid content of nuts the information is difficult to find. I know for sure macadamia nuts are lowered in phytic acid than a lot of other nuts but that doesn't mean that they're low in oxalates.

Phytic acid primarily inhibits phosphorus, calcium, copper, iron, magnesium, zinc, and manganese. In regards to percentages you know phosphorus and calcium can be up to 80% and magnesium 40%, so not only is phytic acid inhibiting these minerals oxalates also overlap for things like calcium, and magnesium. So in a lot of cases between the phytic acid inhibiting mineral absorption and oxalates binding to minerals, a lot of vegans and vegetarians are getting negligible amounts of minerals in their diet. In the case of phytic acid, vitamin A and vitamin C can help counteract it but vegan and vegetarian diets are low in the animal form of retinoic acid vitamin A (animal form), that's why this is a problem in large amounts in diets without animal foods. They also inhibit digestive enzymes (amylase, trypsin, and pepsin) so not only is your starch digestion inhibited so is your protein digestion.

BIOGENIC/VASOACTIVE AMINES​

Biogenic/vasoactive amines are pretty much "histamines in plant foods", and these occur from fermentation, improper storage or decay and rotting. This can have heart rate problems, skin flushing, headaches. Scombroid poisoning is an example of a high histamine levels in fish, and that that's from improper storage of fish. So this isn't necessarily specific to plant foods but it can occur in plant foods as well.

MYCOTOXIN and ALFATOXIN​

Mycotoxin and aflatoxin are from fungus, and this is specifically from food handling and storage. Coffee and chocolate are examples of two foods that I don't believe would not ever not have high amounts of these - So if there's one reason to not consume coffee or chocolate it might just be because of the mycotoxin and the aflatoxin, whether or not different types of mold or problematic or not.. it's safe to say that both coffee and chocolate are very high in phytic acid, they're foods that are very high in oxalates very high in anti-nutrients in general especially these biogenic/vasoactive amines. In addition to the mycotoxins, it's hard to justify consuming either of those foods.

OTHERS​

- The salicylates are found in plants and spices, and although there's been negative associations with them there is sparse evidence just something I wanted to throw out there for this thread. And these are anti nutrients that can have drastic effects on some people but aren't really talked about a lot.


- Alpha amylase inhibitors are found in grains flours, and breads. These caused pancreatic problems in animal models and could very likely be a reason that a lot of people are getting pancreatic cancer now from just a high grain diet.

- Protease inhibitors found in legumes, greens, nuts, and grains impaired protein and peptide digestion. Could be a reason why a lot of vegans need to consume protein powders, to not be deficient in protein and also probably why a lot of vegans have naturally lower muscle mass if they're not taking steroids.

- Tannins can be enzyme inhibitors, cause protein deficiency, gastrointestinal distress.

- Trypsin inhibitors mainly associated with mineral deficiencies in children and are containing grain products.

- Sulfites you know cider wine dried fruit tend to be added. Several reports of reactions to sulfates, it's definitely problematic for some people.

- Benzoates which are added to sodas, jams, sweets, pickles... certain preserved foods. It's an antimicrobial that can cause hives, asthma, and just various skin problems.

WHAT CAN YOU DO + TLDR​

- The main two things to keep in mind are we absolutely should be avoiding are isoflavones and mycotoxins. Various other anti nutrients can be reduced with soaking, sprouting, various, cooking, and fermentation methods.. but I think the important thing as I said earlier is that your diet has a base amount of fat soluble vitamins, and if you do choose to include a plant food try to buy a high-quality indigenous natural version of that food. Don't go to the supermarket and buy a 50-pound bag of white rice, go by the local Minnesota wild rice that cost like ten dollars for a half a pound bag you know.

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These foods are super expensive if you want to buy high quality plant foods that's why I tend to stick primarily to a mostly animal diet, it's simply that these wild plant foods are just too expensive and too difficult to obtain.

THX FOR READING!

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