Anti-Religion thread

[accelerationist]

why do you use fucking logic, if according to you senses are the truth. SENSES

You can sense what is and isnt logical

 

[theRetard]

Idealism is self refuting due to the fact that you must believe that ideas exist and that non-material exists. You’re speaking within concepts, again its a stupid paradox and there won’t be any kind of ending to the questioning. Reject realism and materialism because its all just concepts. But that thought process in itself can and is just a concept. The argument here ignores the obvious reality by constant questioning of how one comes to conclusions or that their world/system is just a concept and not rooted in some kind of concept-reality which also within idealism does not exist. I think this is pretty silly seeing i can literally see it all to be real, regardless of how much you question me within human-made languages and thought-concepts. I still am understanding of what surrounds me without the need for concepts, these concepts only contextualize what is real. For the most part.

Idealism is just an idea. As cliche as it may sound

I think you're confusing idealism with some kind of materialistic solipsism. Go at least read the definitions. LOL.

 

[accelerationist]

why do you use fucking logic, if according to you senses are the truth. SENSES

I would say senses would go hand in hand with what is logical. I come to logical conclusions and i sense when something doesnt have any logic behind it, just feelings.

Theists will repress their logical senses, and follow a religion that is illogical to these senses. Has alot to do with morality since humans usually convert to christianity willingly due to how it makes sense within a moral perspective of life. Their logical senses repress themselves in order to follow this concept of morality that they have been disciplined and indoctrinated into. And so logicality is repressed then

 

[theRetard]

I would say senses would go hand in hand with what is logical. I come to logical conclusions and i sense when something doesnt have any logic behind it, just feelings.

Theists will repress their logical senses, and follow a religion that is illogical to these senses. Has alot to do with morality since humans usually convert to christianity willingly due to how it makes sense within a moral perspective of life. Their logical senses repress themselves in order to follow this concept of morality that they have been disciplined and indoctrinated into. And so logicality is repressed then

go read what logic is. It cannot be sensual, logic is not material

 

[itsoverforyoubro]

I agree with you and the religious people replying with hate are coping cause they’ve spent their life worshipping a figment of imagination. I wanna have this broadcasted to the world

 

[accelerationist]

I think you're confusing idealism with some kind of materialistic solipsism. Go at least read the definitions. LOL.

Idealism is
the belief that reality is fundamentally mental, spiritual, or idea-based, and that consciousness is the primary aspect of existence. This philosophical perspective has two main branches: metaphysical idealism, which holds that reality is fundamentally mental, and epistemological idealism, which posits that our knowledge is limited to the mental or perceptual realm.


“Mental” is a concept “spiritual” is a concept “consciousness” is a concept everything listed is a concept or an idea

Idealism seems to be the idea that everything is somewhat subjective. Ideas, nothing to do with any sort of “reality” basically since its all subjective it seems. Or it could be that it rejects the idea of a “material” world entirely. Sounds pretty gay and transhumanist both sides imo.

Still all of this seems contradictory and doesn’t prove God, idealism only says that everything is but a concept except for whatever the fuck. Or nothing even, but even then it still relies on ideas to float and exist.

 

[accelerationist]

go read what logic is. It cannot be sensual, logic is not material

You are seriously such an idiot. You can literally sense/feel when something is logical/isnt. Logic is rooted in the material, its by seeing the logic in the material that you feel this. You cant make any logic out of christ or anything of the sorts. But im guessing you already understand God isn’t real then. Since these are just ideas, you’re just trying to debate about some other bullshit now. Which is making me confused

 

[iblamexyz]

Low iq reply lmao

Joined 9th June 2025

 

[accelerationist]

go read what logic is. It cannot be sensual, logic is not material

Seems to me your entire argument just ends with this idealistic bullshit about how its all just concepts- i don’t know if you believe there’s anything above all concepts, which would be a grounded thing. And that everything else is just an idea, either way just an Incredibly retarded anti-intellectual take and i don’t get how you unironically would use this paradoxical shit as an argument against me. Sure bro perception can be subjective. But its just perception, and reality is only suppressed by such perception of life.

 

[iblamexyz]

but tits is the truths regardless of hows muchits i’ve yets tew post. So titseem

I dnr but if it’s anti religion than that’s dumbass thread

 

[accelerationist]

I dnr but if it’s anti religion than that’s dumbass thread

Believe what you may want to

 

[Kiril Velev]

there’s a difference between your christian morality and my idea of morality. I believe that killing one’s self would be bad, you believe that killing someone else is bad. I don’t focus on some kind of egalitarian system. my morality is fully dependent on however i might intrinsically feel, and hasn’t anything to do with universal goods and badbads. A man who represses himself in the name of morality will be doing something that is bad, because it hinders his own ability to do as he biologically wishes

I somehwat dnr’d your thread but it seems you agree with me that morality is subjective in which case why do you write a whole ah paragraph addressing egalitarian morality why not directly argue subjective morality? You plan on going and arguing against every single moral system separately or what

 

[NinjaRG9]

Joined 9th June 2025

You joined 1 day bfor my birthday

 

[theRetard]

Seems to me your entire argument just ends with this idealistic bullshit about how its all just concepts- i don’t know if you believe there’s anything above all concepts, which would be a grounded thing. And that everything else is just an idea, either way just an Incredibly retarded anti-intellectual take and i don’t get how you unironically would use this paradoxical shit as an argument against me. Sure bro perception can be subjective. But its just perception, and reality is only suppressed by such perception of life.

just call it bullshit instead of debunking it theory

 

[theRetard]

Idealism is
the belief that reality is fundamentally mental, spiritual, or idea-based, and that consciousness is the primary aspect of existence. This philosophical perspective has two main branches: metaphysical idealism, which holds that reality is fundamentally mental, and epistemological idealism, which posits that our knowledge is limited to the mental or perceptual realm.


“Mental” is a concept “spiritual” is a concept “consciousness” is a concept everything listed is a concept or an idea

Idealism seems to be the idea that everything is somewhat subjective. Ideas, nothing to do with any sort of “reality” basically since its all subjective it seems. Or it could be that it rejects the idea of a “material” world entirely. Sounds pretty gay and transhumanist both sides imo.

Still all of this seems contradictory and doesn’t prove God, idealism only says that everything is but a concept except for whatever the fuck. Or nothing even, but even then it still relies on ideas to float and exist.

so reality is already an idea. How is idealism contradictory JFL.

 

[theRetard]

by the way i don't see any purpose to debate further because you don't know the simplest ontology+metaphysics and epistemology, NO reason to debate a philosophical newbie like you who needs chatgpt to understand what idealism is. You learned the word idealism just today, now find out what it means
Go read parmenides, and then plato and aristotle to understand something if you have at least 70iq

 

[NinjaRG9]

you who needs chatgpt

Those who know

 

[theRetard]

Those who know

this idiot simply substitutes terms and even then can't help but contradict himself. It's just awful. I have never argued with a more ignorant retarded on this forum, he needs a reward lol

 

[NinjaRG9]

this idiot simply substitutes terms and even then can't help but contradict himself. It's just awful. I have never argued with a more ignorant retarded on this forum, he needs a reward lol

I said that bcoz he's very much against AI

 

[theRetard]

I said that bcoz he's very much against AI

he is chatgptcel though, it is pretty obvious

 

[NinjaRG9]

he is chatgptcel though, it is pretty obvious

He's not though

 

[emogymmaxx]

 

[accelerationist]

just call it bullshit instead of debunking it theory

Hard to debunk something like that. As i’ve explained it doesnt seem as though your argument has any finalization. You want me to debunk the idea that everything is just an idea

My stance here is that even if all these words and ways to understand “reality” are juat an idea. There still is something here, these things aren’t ideas. Alot of it is simply just symbols to explain things that alreafy exist in reality. Like i said, you can continue to say “well this reality your speaking of is just an idea” which could be right. The word itself is an idea, and ideas open up when presented with the idea of a reality. But nevertheless these things stem from an actual reality. When i say reality i mean the world around me which i perceive, and then these ideas come to follow. Honestly your argument seems pretty weak since its basically just pushing everything out of the table to try and say that God is real. Unless your idealism somehow opens up an objective idea of God. That would be contradictory though.

so reality is already an idea. How is idealism contradictory JFL.

Because idealism is an idea itself. To believe anything means there’s a concept behind it. Just an “idea” as we have been arguing over. I don’t know whether idealism has its own set of objective beliefs within it. All im saying is that the mere concept of idealism is still a concept and thus not grounded in “reality” which, just created a paradoxical debate that isn’t worth having

by the way i don't see any purpose to debate further because you don't know the simplest ontology+metaphysics and epistemology, NO reason to debate a philosophical newbie like you who needs chatgpt to understand what idealism is. You learned the word idealism just today, now find out what it means
Go read parmenides, and then plato and aristotle to understand something if you have at least 70iq

I don’t like philosophy. I don’t really give a fuck about idealism or realism and any of that. These are questions and ideas of life that don’t interest me and i find them to be useless since its not the kind of stuff i care about arguing over. And it quite literally did not prove anything you’ve said either, anyone can believe and you can believe that its all just ideas if you want to. But this is all a very (again) paradoxical argument which doesn’t disprove or prove anything about life. Your God still only exists as a concept and not within the real reality in which you claim is just a concept, i don’t need language or to grow up seeing life in any kind of way to notice that my imagination doesnt inflict anything unto all i’ve ever come to see and or be

he is chatgptcel though, it is pretty obvious

The only AI thing which was used here was the definition of idealism. I googled it and copy pasted what was said by the AI. but i’d never use chatgpt


If you reply to this then read thoroughly all that was said. It seems to me we continously repeat ourselves, its because this is not an argument in which there can be finalization. As i explained everything may be just ideas and yes when i speak of reality it will come off as an idea seeing as im using language and a perception of reality molded by all around me. but should be acknowledged that there atleast IS a reality no matter if the words to describe it are all just concepts/ideas. Because these things stem from all around me, this isnt really an argument for God also. One can very well understand logically that there must be daddy and mommy and then use said logic to explain all around him, then he can apply some sort of rules to whatever daddy or mommy he comes up with. Have tribesmen follow said rules since instinctively you listen to daddy and mommy… But i know that this isnt your argument, yours seems to be way more retarded since it is arguing that the imaginary is something of value/implemented in the outside of the imaginary. this wouldn’t really prove God, what it proves is that trying to understand “anything” is useless seeing as none of it will apply to “anything” within “reality” which also, is a concept.

I think that we agree with one another regarding things simply being a concept, i thought alot about this when i was 16 or so. Made me apathetic whenever id enter this perception of the “life” around and surrounding me… really i do think we aren’t much different i just personally do not think that ideas should exist then and that these human-made concepts only deforms our “real reality” which is all that we see without the human-made understandings attached to it.

I don’t know anything about this specific stuff because again it never seems to be of importance and it literally raped my thread and ended with no conclusion.

 

[ngannou]

this thread’s focus is on christianity and nothing else

GOD IS INCOMPREHENSIBLE

Unfortunately this has to be addressed, there are way too many theists that like to argue on whether the existence of God is logical or not. As low iq as it is i still have to make an argument regarding it.

The Christian God is said to be all-powerful- Beyond what we deem to be all-powerful even. He creates and imposes the natural laws of life, and he creates it without any influences. He is the root of “morality” as we know it.

God is said to be the first, the only one really who has no creator.

“Nothing existed before him. He has always been there”

This in itself is illogical and requires faith more than a logical understanding. You "believe" him to be omnipotent and above the so called laws in which he founded and established to not be beyond him. For him to not have a father requires you to “believe” and have faith that God somehow just simply exists.

Understand that your belief in the christian God stems not from a logical understanding; but blind faith.

CHRISTIANITY AND MORALITY IS REPRESSIVE

Not only do you not have a good logical reasoning to believe in God- but you also choose to repress yourself in order to fit into the moralist christ-like perception of life which God endorses.

You choose to blindly follow an incomprehensible being that asks you to repress your own biological/instinctive wants and needs so that you may build a relationship with this guy and go to heaven… You want to build a relationship with something whom you can’t sense nor even comprehend… You repress your own feelings in order to feel good after death, which isnt logically promised; it is just a belief…

You are quite literally cucking your own life for no real comprehensible reason. Repressing your own fucking nature because you don’t want to go against muh morals and God’s teachings.

MORALITY IS CUCKOLDRY

SUPER edgy topic now but it has to be addressed. The only reason as to why you “need” to follow this philosophical concept (morality) is because if you don’t you get severely punished by the law/people that are stronger than you, and then imprisoned for it so that you’ll learn to not misbehave. Aside from that you have no real reason to whatsoever.

Egalitarianism/collective care/communism is just cucking your own individual self in order to protect other people that also, are getting cucked- you’re taught from birth to be a moralist and you are disciplined into behaving morally by your parents and everything around you. If it has to be taught and pushed onto you so hard at such a young age it only means that it is not innate for a human being to care for anyone that isn’t of their own blood. It’s taught via discipline because you need to fear what will happen if you do not align yourself with morality.

“But morality is instinctive bruv” no it fucking isnt. Unless you mean caring for your own blood/family/ethnicity that is. Then of fucking course it’ll be instinctive. But it has nothing to do with being an egalitarian-progressive pussy that will cuck themselves out of living a privileged life because “other people that don’t look like me or even like me will suffer” you’re a cuck trying to give rights for people that you subconsciously feel nothing for. Humans have never “developed into moral beings” that’s just stupid to believe, all animals care for their own families. Killing a deformed or failed baby doesn’t mean you don’t, you quite literally understand that this baby is a deformed subhuman and so you feel no subconscious/innate familiarity with it. Thats why you kill them or eat them because its what you’re supposed to do and its what all animals do to their failed babies. The only reason why you “love” that ugly deformed baby is because you’re an indoctrinated egalitarian pussy that thinks all life deserves a chance. Your disgusting down-syndrome baby is mocked by everyone and bullied/socially excluded at school because they know he’s a deformed loser. And humans still very oftently hold animosity/dislike for their subhuman children.

“No morality=anyone can kill you” i hear this all the fucking time and i seriously would rather live in your weird anarchist scenario where everyone gets killed every few seconds than not have the ability to do as i want to completely. If you believe because the law protects YOU that it is okay to have no real liberty and be oppressed forever then you’re just a pussy and you take life way too seriously

“Morality is needed” only within your multi-cultural multi-racial institutions where everyone is completely different from one another. Only then do we need a government that kills and kidnaps us constantly whenever we do something against one another… And even then we dont need these institutions, they (again) repress you from being an actual human being and doing whatever the fuck you want to do. You don’t NEED to get along with everyone. You don’t NEED a nation, all you need is yourself, aka your blood. You only think morality to be a needed concept because you also think that human beings have to get along and muh trade. Illogical Nonsense which is built upon an illogical not thought out perspective of life

“Morality feels right” only because you were born into a system that indoctrinates, enforces and pushes morality onto its citizens. You were disciplined into being moral and its the only reason why you’re a progressive. Aside from individualism and blah blah blah

Morality can only exist by oppressing immorality, which takes immoral acts to do so. Morality can’t exist without the instinctive part of human nature.

YOU ONLY BELIEVE IN GOD BECAUSE YOU ARGUE WITH CHRISTIANS

Yes, all this time that you’ve been debating the existence of God; you were debating with christians. These are people that conform and abide to the progressive/leftist teachings of the bible. These extremely progressive moralists wholly agree with you on literally everything fundamentally. You’re both moralfags, the only reason why you win debate against these kids is because they are literally on your side. Bring up morality and they crumble, because inherently morality is a religious philosophical idea regarding life. Most people today are christians without knowing it, the only difference between you and the average atheist is that their morality has progressed beyond God’s teachings. But do not forget that God was progressive once upon a time. Coming to europa and cucking the pagans with your God, you were the progressive. And now your own morality has progressed far beyond you. Your traditional views on life are not truly conservative, because you want to conserve what was progressive. And your morality most likely isn’t christian anyway. You’re just a step back from new-age morality. But it doesn’t change that you are within this progressive spectrum…

your sons may be conservative. But they’ll want to conserve the 2000s. Not the 60s and anything before that. Do yourself a favor and give up on morality and try to live as freely as possible, you’re still a pussy who gets punished for not following orders regardless of whether you subconsciously follow it or not.

Jesus is the Way the Truth and the Life

 

[theRetard]

Hard to debunk something like that. As i’ve explained it doesnt seem as though your argument has any finalization. You want me to debunk the idea that everything is just an idea

My stance here is that even if all these words and ways to understand “reality” are juat an idea. There still is something here, these things aren’t ideas. Alot of it is simply just symbols to explain things that alreafy exist in reality. Like i said, you can continue to say “well this reality your speaking of is just an idea” which could be right. The word itself is an idea, and ideas open up when presented with the idea of a reality. But nevertheless these things stem from an actual reality. When i say reality i mean the world around me which i perceive, and then these ideas come to follow. Honestly your argument seems pretty weak since its basically just pushing everything out of the table to try and say that God is real. Unless your idealism somehow opens up an objective idea of God. That would be contradictory though.

it's because by "debunk" you probably mean empirical evidence which is retarded when we are talking about abstract things. Empiricism is also abstract in the first place BTW so it just proves that rationalism and idealism are correct.
By idealism you probably mean some solipsistic bullshit (which is very fucking close to your position about muh you can only trust your own instincts)

Because idealism is an idea itself. To believe anything means there’s a concept behind it. Just an “idea” as we have been arguing over. I don’t know whether idealism has its own set of objective beliefs within it. All im saying is that the mere concept of idealism is still a concept and thus not grounded in “reality” which, just created a paradoxical debate that isn’t worth having

idealism is an idea, so why is that contradictory? or do you think that idealism says that it is NOT an idea JFL. Why do you think that concepts aren't grounded to the reality? What do you mean by reality? why is material reality is the only true reality? material reality cannot be the only true reality by fucking definition because reality is itself non-material, you can't touch, smell, or feel this reality

I don’t like philosophy. I don’t really give a fuck about idealism or realism and any of that. These are questions and ideas of life that don’t interest me and i find them to be useless since its not the kind of stuff i care about arguing over. And it quite literally did not prove anything you’ve said either, anyone can believe and you can believe that its all just ideas if you want to. But this is all a very (again) paradoxical argument which doesn’t disprove or prove anything about life. Your God still only exists as a concept and not within the real reality in which you claim is just a concept, i don’t need language or to grow up seeing life in any kind of way to notice that my imagination doesnt inflict anything unto all i’ve ever come to see and or be

so why do you think that real reality is not a concept? it is self-refuting

The only AI thing which was used here was the definition of idealism. I googled it and copy pasted what was said by the AI. but i’d never use chatgpt


If you reply to this then read thoroughly all that was said. It seems to me we continously repeat ourselves, its because this is not an argument in which there can be finalization. As i explained everything may be just ideas and yes when i speak of reality it will come off as an idea seeing as im using language and a perception of reality molded by all around me. but should be acknowledged that there atleast IS a reality no matter if the words to describe it are all just concepts/ideas. Because these things stem from all around me, this isnt really an argument for God also. One can very well understand logically that there must be daddy and mommy and then use said logic to explain all around him, then he can apply some sort of rules to whatever daddy or mommy he comes up with. Have tribesmen follow said rules since instinctively you listen to daddy and mommy… But i know that this isnt your argument, yours seems to be way more retarded since it is arguing that the imaginary is something of value/implemented in the outside of the imaginary. this wouldn’t really prove God, what it proves is that trying to understand “anything” is useless seeing as none of it will apply to “anything” within “reality” which also, is a concept.

so why do you think that ideas exist only in your head? they are literally external and you just discover them through your reason.

I think that we agree with one another regarding things simply being a concept, i thought alot about this when i was 16 or so. Made me apathetic whenever id enter this perception of the “life” around and surrounding me… really i do think we aren’t much different i just personally do not think that ideas should exist then and that these human-made concepts only deforms our “real reality” which is all that we see without the human-made understandings attached to it.

I don’t know anything about this specific stuff because again it never seems to be of importance and it literally raped my thread and ended with no conclusion.

depends on your definition of reality. for me everything that exists is reality, your thoughts exist, so they are real

 

[accelerationist]

depends on your definition of reality. for me everything that exists is reality, your thoughts exist, so they are real

Well yeah, our thoughts do exist. We have consciousness and are able to imagine different concepts and ways of life. But it doesn’t mean that these concepts are- lets say “effective” and or logical. While i do agree that concepts exist, it still doesnt change that these are simply just concepts that do not have any effect on what can and cant be comprehended. Everything may exist, but there is still a natural distinction between concepts and what we can perceive to be around us….
The sky may be pink, but it is blue.

so why do you think that ideas exist only in your head? they are literally external and you just discover them through your reason.

I think that these ideas aren’t grounded within the “external” because the external does not play by the rules of what i may believe regardless if within my individual perception of reality i can alter how i perceive life it is still all a perception and a thought-out one not an instinctive one that is.

But i agree again that ideas do exist in the same reality. All that i mean is that it doesnt affect this reality for you to just think things within them, it only gives you perceptions. But if your perception of life lacks logic then it can very well be rejected, and logic is a concept innate to us which we all share. So i believe

so why do you think that real reality is not a concept? it is self-refuting

I do think it is, the idea of “real-reality” may aswell be. But there is “something” around me. I can’t comprehend it logically, it’s all just concepts when i try to. but there is- something that surrounds and is all around me. This is what i would call real-reality which to me is beyond concepts and needs no understanding for it to exist.

I understand, that “something” is just a concept. Words limit me, logic limits me. But i hope you know what i mean by reality

idealism is an idea, so why is that contradictory? or do you think that idealism says that it is NOT an idea JFL. Why do you think that concepts aren't grounded to the reality? What do you mean by reality? why is material reality is the only true reality? material reality cannot be the only true reality by fucking definition because reality is itself non-material, you can't touch, smell, or feel this reality

You can’t sense reality lol? You obviously can and you literally do 24/7 but alright maybe i misunderstand whatever point you’re trying to make here. Aside from that- idealism being an idea means that it isnt grounded in “reality” so i can believe in pretty much anything that may contradict idealism and it will be right but ofcourse you can use that same argument against me and it just becomes paradoxical. If you believe all to be right then that’s illogical. But its fine since you’re arguing about bullshit illogical abstract shit to try and prove God’s existence.

 

[accelerationist]

it's because by "debunk" you probably mean empirical evidence which is retarded when we are talking about abstract things. Empiricism is also abstract in the first place BTW so it just proves that rationalism and idealism are correct.
By idealism you probably mean some solipsistic bullshit (which is very fucking close to your position about muh you can only trust your own instincts)

idealism is an idea, so why is that contradictory? or do you think that idealism says that it is NOT an idea JFL. Why do you think that concepts aren't grounded to the reality? What do you mean by reality? why is material reality is the only true reality? material reality cannot be the only true reality by fucking definition because reality is itself non-material, you can't touch, smell, or feel this reality

so why do you think that real reality is not a concept? it is self-refuting

so why do you think that ideas exist only in your head? they are literally external and you just discover them through your reason.

depends on your definition of reality. for me everything that exists is reality, your thoughts exist, so they are real

God is incomprehensible, why believe in something illogical? I often hear the argument that you cannot disprove anything. Even if so- i can still obviously see things for their illogicality and that be enough to not follow through such ideals/concepts of reality

 

[theRetard]

Well yeah, our thoughts do exist. We have consciousness and are able to imagine different concepts and ways of life. But it doesn’t mean that these concepts are- lets say “effective” and or logical. While i do agree that concepts exist, it still doesnt change that these are simply just concepts that do not have any effect on what can and cant be comprehended. Everything may exist, but there is still a natural distinction between concepts and what we can perceive to be around us….
The sky may be pink, but it is blue.

I think that these ideas aren’t grounded within the “external” because the external does not play by the rules of what i may believe regardless if within my individual perception of reality i can alter how i perceive life it is still all a perception and a thought-out one not an instinctive one that is.

But i agree again that ideas do exist in the same reality. All that i mean is that it doesnt affect this reality for you to just think things within them, it only gives you perceptions. But if your perception of life lacks logic then it can very well be rejected, and logic is a concept innate to us which we all share. So i believe

I do think it is, the idea of “real-reality” may aswell be. But there is “something” around me. I can’t comprehend it logically, it’s all just concepts when i try to. but there is- something that surrounds and is all around me. This is what i would call real-reality which to me is beyond concepts and needs no understanding for it to exist.

I understand, that “something” is just a concept. Words limit me, logic limits me. But i hope you know what i mean by reality

You can’t sense reality lol? You obviously can and you literally do 24/7 but alright maybe i misunderstand whatever point you’re trying to make here. Aside from that- idealism being an idea means that it isnt grounded in “reality” so i can believe in pretty much anything that may contradict idealism and it will be right but ofcourse you can use that same argument against me and it just becomes paradoxical. If you believe all to be right then that’s illogical. But its fine since you’re arguing about bullshit illogical abstract shit to try and prove God’s existence.

It seems it all comes down to what we mean by reality. I'll simply explain to you that the concept of reality is not a stone you can touch. It's a meta-concept that is by definition intangible

God is incomprehensible, why believe in something illogical? I often hear the argument that you cannot disprove anything. Even if so- i can still obviously see things for their illogicality and that be enough to not follow through such ideals/concepts of reality

but you said yourself that you trust your senses more, then why do you rn trust logic more that senses?.
Also why do think that god is incomprehensible? he is just transcendent but you can think about him and therefore he is not incomprehensible by definition

 

[accelerationist]

but you said yourself that you trust your senses more, then why do you rn trust logic more that senses?.
Also why do think that god is incomprehensible? he is just transcendent but you can think about him and therefore he is not incomprehensible by definition

what i mean by senses really are these feelings which i feel through day to day life. When i “sense” something to be wrong or right, firstly i subconsciously analyze whether whatever was said aligns with my concept of reality. if what was said does not (logically) align with my concepts of reality- then i will, without language. In an instant, sense that something is not “right” and whilst in this state i’ll start looking for ways to contextualize this feeling that- something does not fit right, it isnt logical. Something is missing or there’s nothing here at all.

I go by logic as any other animal does, my views on life are the most logical to me. And so when i “sense” something to be wrong i will obviously reject it and look for the words that can explain why something is wrong.

You may be able to think of God and that make him “real” in a sense- but it still doesn’t prescribe a logical understanding of said God. He’s incomprehensible when put to question, but can exist without further inquiries… I personally find this an ignorant way to life

It seems it all comes down to what we mean by reality. I'll simply explain to you that the concept of reality is not a stone you can touch. It's a meta-concept that is by definition intangible

I know what you mean by intangible, life is unsure and all seems vague or incomprehensible. I really do agree with you i just think logic can still be applied to things regardless of it being capped at just a concept seeing as it helps me to “understand” or idealize the world around me

 

[dps2008]

this thread’s focus is on christianity and nothing else

GOD IS INCOMPREHENSIBLE

Unfortunately this has to be addressed, there are way too many theists that like to argue on whether the existence of God is logical or not. As low iq as it is i still have to make an argument regarding it.

The Christian God is said to be all-powerful- Beyond what we deem to be all-powerful even. He creates and imposes the natural laws of life, and he creates it without any influences. He is the root of “morality” as we know it.

God is said to be the first, the only one really who has no creator.

“Nothing existed before him. He has always been there”

This in itself is illogical and requires faith more than a logical understanding. You "believe" him to be omnipotent and above the so called laws in which he founded and established to not be beyond him. For him to not have a father requires you to “believe” and have faith that God somehow just simply exists.

Understand that your belief in the christian God stems not from a logical understanding; but blind faith.

CHRISTIANITY AND MORALITY IS REPRESSIVE

Not only do you not have a good logical reasoning to believe in God- but you also choose to repress yourself in order to fit into the moralist christ-like perception of life which God endorses.

You choose to blindly follow an incomprehensible being that asks you to repress your own biological/instinctive wants and needs so that you may build a relationship with this guy and go to heaven… You want to build a relationship with something whom you can’t sense nor even comprehend… You repress your own feelings in order to feel good after death, which isnt logically promised; it is just a belief…

You are quite literally cucking your own life for no real comprehensible reason. Repressing your own fucking nature because you don’t want to go against muh morals and God’s teachings.

MORALITY IS CUCKOLDRY

SUPER edgy topic now but it has to be addressed. The only reason as to why you “need” to follow this philosophical concept (morality) is because if you don’t you get severely punished by the law/people that are stronger than you, and then imprisoned for it so that you’ll learn to not misbehave. Aside from that you have no real reason to whatsoever.

Egalitarianism/collective care/communism is just cucking your own individual self in order to protect other people that also, are getting cucked- you’re taught from birth to be a moralist and you are disciplined into behaving morally by your parents and everything around you. If it has to be taught and pushed onto you so hard at such a young age it only means that it is not innate for a human being to care for anyone that isn’t of their own blood. It’s taught via discipline because you need to fear what will happen if you do not align yourself with morality.

“But morality is instinctive bruv” no it fucking isnt. Unless you mean caring for your own blood/family/ethnicity that is. Then of fucking course it’ll be instinctive. But it has nothing to do with being an egalitarian-progressive pussy that will cuck themselves out of living a privileged life because “other people that don’t look like me or even like me will suffer” you’re a cuck trying to give rights for people that you subconsciously feel nothing for. Humans have never “developed into moral beings” that’s just stupid to believe, all animals care for their own families. Killing a deformed or failed baby doesn’t mean you don’t, you quite literally understand that this baby is a deformed subhuman and so you feel no subconscious/innate familiarity with it. Thats why you kill them or eat them because its what you’re supposed to do and its what all animals do to their failed babies. The only reason why you “love” that ugly deformed baby is because you’re an indoctrinated egalitarian pussy that thinks all life deserves a chance. Your disgusting down-syndrome baby is mocked by everyone and bullied/socially excluded at school because they know he’s a deformed loser. And humans still very oftently hold animosity/dislike for their subhuman children.

“No morality=anyone can kill you” i hear this all the fucking time and i seriously would rather live in your weird anarchist scenario where everyone gets killed every few seconds than not have the ability to do as i want to completely. If you believe because the law protects YOU that it is okay to have no real liberty and be oppressed forever then you’re just a pussy and you take life way too seriously

“Morality is needed” only within your multi-cultural multi-racial institutions where everyone is completely different from one another. Only then do we need a government that kills and kidnaps us constantly whenever we do something against one another… And even then we dont need these institutions, they (again) repress you from being an actual human being and doing whatever the fuck you want to do. You don’t NEED to get along with everyone. You don’t NEED a nation, all you need is yourself, aka your blood. You only think morality to be a needed concept because you also think that human beings have to get along and muh trade. Illogical Nonsense which is built upon an illogical not thought out perspective of life

“Morality feels right” only because you were born into a system that indoctrinates, enforces and pushes morality onto its citizens. You were disciplined into being moral and its the only reason why you’re a progressive. Aside from individualism and blah blah blah

Morality can only exist by oppressing immorality, which takes immoral acts to do so. Morality can’t exist without the instinctive part of human nature.

YOU ONLY BELIEVE IN GOD BECAUSE YOU ARGUE WITH CHRISTIANS

Yes, all this time that you’ve been debating the existence of God; you were debating with christians. These are people that conform and abide to the progressive/leftist teachings of the bible. These extremely progressive moralists wholly agree with you on literally everything fundamentally. You’re both moralfags, the only reason why you win debate against these kids is because they are literally on your side. Bring up morality and they crumble, because inherently morality is a religious philosophical idea regarding life. Most people today are christians without knowing it, the only difference between you and the average atheist is that their morality has progressed beyond God’s teachings. But do not forget that God was progressive once upon a time. Coming to europa and cucking the pagans with your God, you were the progressive. And now your own morality has progressed far beyond you. Your traditional views on life are not truly conservative, because you want to conserve what was progressive. And your morality most likely isn’t christian anyway. You’re just a step back from new-age morality. But it doesn’t change that you are within this progressive spectrum…

your sons may be conservative. But they’ll want to conserve the 2000s. Not the 60s and anything before that. Do yourself a favor and give up on morality and try to live as freely as possible, you’re still a pussy who gets punished for not following orders regardless of whether you subconsciously follow it or not.

There definitely are some morals depending on the person. I feel better not being rude for no reason for an example. However I do care more about myself than being moral. That's how I'm trying to live, lower inhibition and do what I want without worrying about being moral.

 

[accelerationist]

There definitely are some morals depending on the person. I feel better not being rude for no reason for an example. However I do care more about myself than being moral. That's how I'm trying to live, lower inhibition and do what I want without worrying about being moral.

these morals are not innate and thats my whole point but yeah if you just live for yourself and as you may want to then how can anything bad happen? Unless somebody dislikes it and rapes you to death for it

 

[NinjaRG9]

Jesus is the Way the Truth and the Life

Tiktok comment kys nigger

 

[theRetard]

what i mean by senses really are these feelings which i feel through day to day life. When i “sense” something to be wrong or right, firstly i subconsciously analyze whether whatever was said aligns with my concept of reality. if what was said does not (logically) align with my concepts of reality- then i will, without language. In an instant, sense that something is not “right” and whilst in this state i’ll start looking for ways to contextualize this feeling that- something does not fit right, it isnt logical. Something is missing or there’s nothing here at all.

I go by logic as any other animal does, my views on life are the most logical to me. And so when i “sense” something to be wrong i will obviously reject it and look for the words that can explain why something is wrong.

You may be able to think of God and that make him “real” in a sense- but it still doesn’t prescribe a logical understanding of said God. He’s incomprehensible when put to question, but can exist without further inquiries… I personally find this an ignorant way to life

I know what you mean by intangible, life is unsure and all seems vague or incomprehensible. I really do agree with you i just think logic can still be applied to things regardless of it being capped at just a concept seeing as it helps me to “understand” or idealize the world around me

you just confuse subjective senses with objective logic. if god is incomprehensible then how are you able to think about him? it means he's comprehensible to thought. and if your logic functions only as a filter for your sensations then it's not objective truth. So you're using idealism/concepts to refute idealism

 

[redeemthecard]

yes allah is why i exist i agree

please kys u disgusting faggot

 

[accelerationist]

you just confuse subjective senses with objective logic. if god is incomprehensible then how are you able to think about him? it means he's comprehensible to thought. and if your logic functions only as a filter for your sensations then it's not objective truth. So you're using idealism/concepts to refute idealism

One might sense things differently due to how they were raised. their logical senses are illogical at a deeper level, which is how and why some people believe in things that might be stupid. Their senses align with what they’ve been conditioned to or have lived their life aligning themselves with.

I explained how God is incomprehensible, your senses might tell you that he isnt. But that is because you haven’t looked deeper into this image and idea of your own God, he can’t be comprehended then… I can believe anything but if it holds no objective logic then it will be irrelevant. I do not disagree with idealism, but there still is something out there. Which logic helps to try and convey and or understand

You misinterpret alot of the things i say. In that same message i explained how God can be thought of but not comprehended.

 

[accelerationist]

please kys u disgusting faggot

Why rude saar

 

[redeemthecard]

Why rude saar

u shit on christianity and then proceed to say allah is why ur alive

atleast be consistent

 

[accelerationist]

u shit on christianity and then proceed to say allah is why ur alive

atleast be consistent

I was trying to make a point.