Anti-Religion thread

[theRetard]

logic is also one of our tools we use to navigate reality
it works with our sense to help us in navigation in this perceived reality

he thinks that logic is something material btw

 

[RAJ GHRANDHICK🗿]

Idealism is self refuting due to the fact that you must believe that ideas exist and that non-material exists. You’re speaking within concepts, again its a stupid paradox and there won’t be any kind of ending to the questioning. Reject realism and materialism because its all just concepts. But that thought process in itself can and is just a concept. The argument here ignores the obvious reality by constant questioning of how one comes to conclusions or that their world/system is just a concept and not rooted in some kind of concept-reality which also within idealism does not exist. I think this is pretty silly seeing i can literally see it all to be real, regardless of how much you question me within human-made languages and thought-concepts. I still am understanding of what surrounds me without the need for concepts, these concepts only contextualize what is real. For the most part.

Idealism is just an idea. As cliche as it may sound

yea but our senses are outdated now
there are invisible forces

 

[isis_Bleach]

brah
looks were not as important until modern times
until like globalization
and no we are litteraly superior to women
god didnt create ur unhappiness
superior men did
lolllllll

god made it change to be like this he controls the world. he made me get cucked.

 

[RAJ GHRANDHICK🗿]

he thinks that logic is something material btw

logic is not material
but it is not totally conceptual either
its in between
again
its an ability
basically a sense so he kinda right but not fully as its not material if he said it is
u sense whats right thru logic and ur biological interests

 

[RAJ GHRANDHICK🗿]

god made it change to be like this he controls the world. he made me get cucked.

then why didnt ur ancestors topple the ancestors of those superior men
god created this reality completely fairly
u r just a loser and u pay
god is fair

 

[theRetard]

logic is not material
but it is not totally conceptual either
its in between
again
its an ability
basically a sense so he kinda right but not fully as its not material if he said it is
u sense whats right thru logic and ur biological interests

no you don't sense what's right and wrong, you can only know it through your reason instead of senses

 

[RAJ GHRANDHICK🗿]

I would say senses would go hand in hand with what is logical. I come to logical conclusions and i sense when something doesnt have any logic behind it, just feelings.

Theists will repress their logical senses, and follow a religion that is illogical to these senses. Has alot to do with morality since humans usually convert to christianity willingly due to how it makes sense within a moral perspective of life. Their logical senses repress themselves in order to follow this concept of morality that they have been disciplined and indoctrinated into. And so logicality is repressed then

not necessarily
but i get ur point
they believe god said
and thats absolute
things break when theres no proof for what they believe in is god's words and will or no

 

[RAJ GHRANDHICK🗿]

no you don't sense what's right and wrong, you can only know it through your reason instead of senses

reason is a sense
ur brain is a sensory organ
the main one

 

[theRetard]

reason is a sense
ur brain is a sensory organ
the main one

then animals have reason too (no)

 

[RAJ GHRANDHICK🗿]

Seems to me your entire argument just ends with this idealistic bullshit about how its all just concepts- i don’t know if you believe there’s anything above all concepts, which would be a grounded thing. And that everything else is just an idea, either way just an Incredibly retarded anti-intellectual take and i don’t get how you unironically would use this paradoxical shit as an argument against me. Sure bro perception can be subjective. But its just perception, and reality is only suppressed by such perception of life.

yes none of that is an argument that validates believing in a religion

 

[RAJ GHRANDHICK🗿]

then animals have reason too (no)

but they do lol
just underdeveloped less advanced reason

 

[RAJ GHRANDHICK🗿]

Believe what you may want to

yes at the end of the day
reality will sort itself out by the will of god

 

[theRetard]

but they do lol
just underdeveloped less advanced reason

you confuse mind with the reason.
reason is an ability to think, while animals only have emotions. they have mind

 

[RAJ GHRANDHICK🗿]

just call it bullshit instead of debunking it theory

debunking or accepting will not prove anything
the whole basis is cucked in terms of establishing a point

 

[RAJ GHRANDHICK🗿]

you confuse mind with the reason.
reason is an ability to think, while animals only have emotions. they have mind

animals can think
u dont understand intelligence at all

 

[theRetard]

debunking or accepting will not prove anything

oxymoron. Do you know that empirical proof is not the only way?

 

[isis_Bleach]

then why didnt ur ancestors topple the ancestors of those superior men
god created this reality completely fairly
u r just a loser and u pay
god is fair

whyd he have to change the world so much

 

[RAJ GHRANDHICK🗿]

oxymoron. Do you know that empirical proof is not the only way?

but ur logic is just basically concept based
it can exist in a concept
it can also equally not
unless u add something constant to either side

 

[RAJ GHRANDHICK🗿]

whyd he have to change the world so much

he didnt
the laws of the world are still there
the game's rules are set
some advanced players sabotaged ur ass before birth
no reason to blame god as that would be retarded

 

[theRetard]

but ur logic is just basically concept based
it can exist in a concept
it can also equally not
unless u add something constant to either side

how can logic not exist as a concept? can you touch and smell A=A?

 

[isis_Bleach]

he didnt
the laws of the world are still there
the game's rules are set
some advanced players sabotaged ur ass before birth
no reason to blame god as that would be retarded

then why woukd anyone pray to him if hes not gonna save anyone

 

[RAJ GHRANDHICK🗿]

how can logic not exist as a concept? can you touch and smell A=A?

no i cant touch and smell a is a

 

[theRetard]

no i cant touch and smell a is a

so how can logic be non-conceptual? as you said, it can be, and equally cannot

 

[RAJ GHRANDHICK🗿]

then why woukd anyone pray to him if hes not gonna save anyone

well yea
nobody should praying to god yea ur right
praying is irrelevant and stupid
tho manifestation can work if u r powerful in ur spirit and vibration theoretically u know i cant claim it works or not works
but praying i can say with 99 percent certainty
it only gives a slight buffer and advantage as it helps in manifestation as it strengthen ur beliefs but thats theory but i believe in that

 

[RAJ GHRANDHICK🗿]

so how can logic be non-conceptual? as you said, it can be, and equally cannot

yes truly
i cant smell it
because theres a constant to my side
which is my limits
physical biological limits
if i didnt then in a concept u know i could smell and touch a is a
but thats not the case as theres a constant on my side
the laws of the reality

 

[theRetard]

yes truly
i cant smell it
because theres a constant to my side
which is my limits
physical biological limits
if i didnt then in a concept u know i could smell and touch a is a
but thats not the case as theres a constant on my side
the laws of the reality

it's because logic is abstract instead of material, it's not about physical limits bro

 

[RAJ GHRANDHICK🗿]

it's because logic is abstract instead of material, it's not about physical limits bro

its because our logic is bound by physical limits
as its a sense
tho our ideas arent as they can be totally abstract

 

[theRetard]

its because our logic is bound by physical limits
as its a sense
tho our ideas arent as they can be totally abstract

logic has nothing to do with physical limits, it is metaphysical

 

[RAJ GHRANDHICK🗿]

logic has nothing to do with physical limits, it is metaphysical

ofc but translation of it in our reality is limited
and thats what needed to establish anything
because the metaphysical logic has no limits unless u introduce em

 

[curtisjoneslover]

christ is king

 

[theRetard]

ofc but translation of it in our reality is limited
and thats what needed to establish anything
because the metaphysical logic has no limits unless u introduce em

so how do you know if something is real if your translation of reality is limited? then this statement is also not real

 

[RAJ GHRANDHICK🗿]

so how do you know if something is real if your translation of reality is limited? then this statement is also not real

but i sense it ???
thru my senses?
vision
?

 

[theRetard]

but i sense it ???
thru my senses?
vision
?

what if your senses say that your senses are wrong?

 

[RAJ GHRANDHICK🗿]

cringe
but can work
but theyd take ur energy and grow stronger and be more evil

 

[RAJ GHRANDHICK🗿]

what if your senses say that your senses are wrong?

thats lowkey not possible
what is possible that one of my senses will let me know that another of one my sense is wrong
if my senses as a whole were hacked then id be under mind control

 

[theRetard]

thats lowkey not possible
what is possible that one of my senses will let me know that another of one my sense is wrong
if my senses as a whole were hacked then id be under mind control

first you said that it is not possible
and in the next sentence you debunked your own claim

 

[RAJ GHRANDHICK🗿]

Hard to debunk something like that. As i’ve explained it doesnt seem as though your argument has any finalization. You want me to debunk the idea that everything is just an idea

My stance here is that even if all these words and ways to understand “reality” are juat an idea. There still is something here, these things aren’t ideas. Alot of it is simply just symbols to explain things that alreafy exist in reality. Like i said, you can continue to say “well this reality your speaking of is just an idea” which could be right. The word itself is an idea, and ideas open up when presented with the idea of a reality. But nevertheless these things stem from an actual reality. When i say reality i mean the world around me which i perceive, and then these ideas come to follow. Honestly your argument seems pretty weak since its basically just pushing everything out of the table to try and say that God is real. Unless your idealism somehow opens up an objective idea of God. That would be contradictory though.

Because idealism is an idea itself. To believe anything means there’s a concept behind it. Just an “idea” as we have been arguing over. I don’t know whether idealism has its own set of objective beliefs within it. All im saying is that the mere concept of idealism is still a concept and thus not grounded in “reality” which, just created a paradoxical debate that isn’t worth having

I don’t like philosophy. I don’t really give a fuck about idealism or realism and any of that. These are questions and ideas of life that don’t interest me and i find them to be useless since its not the kind of stuff i care about arguing over. And it quite literally did not prove anything you’ve said either, anyone can believe and you can believe that its all just ideas if you want to. But this is all a very (again) paradoxical argument which doesn’t disprove or prove anything about life. Your God still only exists as a concept and not within the real reality in which you claim is just a concept, i don’t need language or to grow up seeing life in any kind of way to notice that my imagination doesnt inflict anything unto all i’ve ever come to see and or be

The only AI thing which was used here was the definition of idealism. I googled it and copy pasted what was said by the AI. but i’d never use chatgpt


If you reply to this then read thoroughly all that was said. It seems to me we continously repeat ourselves, its because this is not an argument in which there can be finalization. As i explained everything may be just ideas and yes when i speak of reality it will come off as an idea seeing as im using language and a perception of reality molded by all around me. but should be acknowledged that there atleast IS a reality no matter if the words to describe it are all just concepts/ideas. Because these things stem from all around me, this isnt really an argument for God also. One can very well understand logically that there must be daddy and mommy and then use said logic to explain all around him, then he can apply some sort of rules to whatever daddy or mommy he comes up with. Have tribesmen follow said rules since instinctively you listen to daddy and mommy… But i know that this isnt your argument, yours seems to be way more retarded since it is arguing that the imaginary is something of value/implemented in the outside of the imaginary. this wouldn’t really prove God, what it proves is that trying to understand “anything” is useless seeing as none of it will apply to “anything” within “reality” which also, is a concept.

I think that we agree with one another regarding things simply being a concept, i thought alot about this when i was 16 or so. Made me apathetic whenever id enter this perception of the “life” around and surrounding me… really i do think we aren’t much different i just personally do not think that ideas should exist then and that these human-made concepts only deforms our “real reality” which is all that we see without the human-made understandings attached to it.

I don’t know anything about this specific stuff because again it never seems to be of importance and it literally raped my thread and ended with no conclusion.

why no chatgpt bro

 

[RAJ GHRANDHICK🗿]

first you said that it is not possible
and in the next sentence you debunked your own claim

my eyes can't tell me if my eyes are wrong
first claim's context is all senses are concerned
what i say is possible that only 1 can be corrupted and i could identify that by the way it would not work synergistically with all senses
if all senses have been corrupted id be under mind control
just some comprehensive differences here

 

[RAJ GHRANDHICK🗿]

Jesus is the Way the Truth and the Life

again why u believe so

 

[theRetard]

my eyes can't tell me if my eyes are wrong
first claim's context is all senses are concerned
what i say is possible that only 1 can be corrupted and i could identify that by the way it would not work synergistically with all senses
if all senses have been corrupted id be under mind control
just some comprehensive differences here

it's a very interesting theory.
but why do you use reason instead of senses to prove me that your senses can be trusted?

 

[SQL2VD]

Hop that ass on Fashfront, ramble about religion there since you’re such a tuff atomwaffen edgy boi

 

[RAJ GHRANDHICK🗿]

God is incomprehensible, why believe in something illogical? I often hear the argument that you cannot disprove anything. Even if so- i can still obviously see things for their illogicality and that be enough to not follow through such ideals/concepts of reality

god is logical
belief in god is logical
and true god we cant fully understand God
as he is beyond all

 

[RAJ GHRANDHICK🗿]

it's a very interesting theory.
but why do you use reason instead of senses to prove me that your senses can be trusted?

senses only prove to me
your sense of logic proves my perceived reality to you thru the use of language and speech

 

[theRetard]

senses only prove to me
your sense of logic proves my perceived reality to you thru the use of language and speech

can your senses prove that something needs to be proved by senses?

 

[RAJ GHRANDHICK🗿]

can your senses prove that something needs to be proved by senses?

yes
thats something u learn automatically if u are as intelligent or rather ur born with it
so call it instincts?
they are a kind of sense ?
hard to say but they are things which help us in navigation of this reality so u could call it a sense but i am not sure
but u know ur question is also too vague

 

[RAJ GHRANDHICK🗿]

what i mean by senses really are these feelings which i feel through day to day life. When i “sense” something to be wrong or right, firstly i subconsciously analyze whether whatever was said aligns with my concept of reality. if what was said does not (logically) align with my concepts of reality- then i will, without language. In an instant, sense that something is not “right” and whilst in this state i’ll start looking for ways to contextualize this feeling that- something does not fit right, it isnt logical. Something is missing or there’s nothing here at all.

I go by logic as any other animal does, my views on life are the most logical to me. And so when i “sense” something to be wrong i will obviously reject it and look for the words that can explain why something is wrong.

You may be able to think of God and that make him “real” in a sense- but it still doesn’t prescribe a logical understanding of said God. He’s incomprehensible when put to question, but can exist without further inquiries… I personally find this an ignorant way to life

its not ignorant
its very acceptive and aware way of life
you understand the limits rather than ignoring it all and therefore said existence of limits

I know what you mean by intangible, life is unsure and all seems vague or incomprehensible. I really do agree with you i just think logic can still be applied to things regardless of it being capped at just a concept seeing as it helps me to “understand” or idealize the world around me

yea
its just a comprehensive thing right? or i am deluding myself?

 

[RAJ GHRANDHICK🗿]

these morals are not innate and thats my whole point but yeah if you just live for yourself and as you may want to then how can anything bad happen? Unless somebody dislikes it and rapes you to death for it

theres a natural compass of wrong and right
its not completely aligned with morality but overlaps at some points
i think this is a great explanation
correct me if i am wrong

 

[RAJ GHRANDHICK🗿]

you just confuse subjective senses with objective logic. if god is incomprehensible then how are you able to think about him? it means he's comprehensible to thought. and if your logic functions only as a filter for your sensations then it's not objective truth. So you're using idealism/concepts to refute idealism

yes the correct way to define it would god is not completely understandable because we are limited beings and he is beyond limits
or something close to that or something idk

 

[RAJ GHRANDHICK🗿]

One might sense things differently due to how they were raised. their logical senses are illogical at a deeper level, which is how and why some people believe in things that might be stupid. Their senses align with what they’ve been conditioned to or have lived their life aligning themselves with.

I explained how God is incomprehensible, your senses might tell you that he isnt. But that is because you haven’t looked deeper into this image and idea of your own God, he can’t be comprehended then… I can believe anything but if it holds no objective logic then it will be irrelevant. I do not disagree with idealism, but there still is something out there. Which logic helps to try and convey and or understand

You misinterpret alot of the things i say. In that same message i explained how God can be thought of but not comprehended.

again now u saying allat defeats ur whole subjectivity bs
its logical for them and at every level
and illogical for someone different
thats just it
theres no deeper level truth thats objective in ur framework

also god is not inherently de facto incomprehensible or otherwise we would never be able know and believe the concept of him

god is not fully understandable
but he can still fully logically be believed in

 

[RAJ GHRANDHICK🗿]

Without having faith in the Lord, life is meaningless.

You are not a true blackpiller if you don't fear God.

Faith + Blackpill = Enhanced critical thinking skills

Being able to think critically = Higher IQ

by lord if u mean the rabbi u worship then no
he isnt god
but ur logic can be correct in a sense
u know god could come in human form and we would not understand he is god
but that raises the question why wouldn't god know such a thing
why wouldn't he know his creation wont be able understand he is god
now
a . u say he did understand,that raises the question of then why did he do such a thing
b . he didn't, then that raises the question is he really the one if he didn't understand his creation?
u know it can be argued but at then end
too many inconsistencies