Anyone else feel like they lost bones due to years of intermittent fasting?

[Jerryterry129]

IF apparently accelerates bone degration and oesteoprosis

in other words you degrade your bones more than you create, hence bone loss. Ie we are constantly creating and destroying bones

Fasting is very damaging to facial bones


Bone density is significantly decreased when fasting


I feel like my jaw and cheeks used to be a bit bigger before fasting (2years ago)

Would mega dosing k2 and drinking more milk with calcium help with this? As well as trying to raise estrogen by eating aloe since estrogen is responsible for bones?

I’m just trying to get back what I had before fasting

 

[Bewusst]

sparrow IQ detected

 

[Jerryterry129]

sparrow IQ detected

lol please do ur research before commenting

the only sparrow iq is this comment

 

[Deleted member 15698]

sparrow IQ detected

It's actually plausible that years of nutrient deprivation would cause bone atrophy. That's a reasonable time frame for some bone loss to take place

 

[Bewusst]

lol please do ur research before commenting

muh research

I'd be surprised if you were able to comprehend even a basic study abstract

 

[Jerryterry129]

It's actually plausible that years of nutrient deprivation would cause bone atrophy. That's a reasonable time frame for some bone loss to take place

So would mega dosing k2, trying to raise estrogen thru aloe and getting way more calcium get my bones back to how they were?

Besides the fact that IF lowers bone density, IF also lowers estrogen and low estrogen is responsible for losing bone density

 

[Deleted member 15698]

So would mega dosing k2, trying to raise estrogen thru aloe and getting way more calcium get my bones back to how they were?

No one knows

If you did lose bone, over the course of years, it would take years to gain it all back. And that's assuming you're young enough where your body even wants to take the nutrients and increase bone mass stilll

 

[Jerryterry129]

No one knows

If you did lose bone, over the course of years, it would take years to gain it all back. And that's assuming you're young enough where your body even wants to take the nutrients and increase bone mass stilll

K2 is known to reverse oesteoporosis even in very old humans

Oral aloe is also known to reverse oesteoporosis and even increase estrogen

and calcium is too.

hell mega dosing k2 sounds very promising for reversing this

I’ve been intermittent fasting for 2 years and I do it about 5 times a week.

 

[Baldingman1998]

Sounds like bs. Fasting boosts growth hormone. Just eat same amount of calories and nutritious food once or twice a day and nothing bad will happen

 

[Deleted member 15698]

K2 is known to reverse oesteoporosis even in very old humans

aloe is also known to reverse oesteoporosis

and calcium is too.

hell mega dosing k2 sounds very promising for reversing this

I’ve been intermittent fasting for 2 years and I do it about 5 times a week.

Correct

But consider bones like the femur, vertebrae, etc., (which are what's examined in osteoporosis studies) receive sufficient stimulus forces to encourage nutrients to be used for remodeling purposes

The face not as much. But if you are hoping for remodeling, obviously mew 24/7, and chew as much as you safely can

And K2 is necessary but not enough. All K2 does is promote calcium to go to the right places. It's nothing without enough calcium.

And then if you're consuming enough calcium, you need enough D3 to make it bioavaliable. And once you're sufficient in those, ensure your copper zinc & magnesium are not low in relation, or your bones will actually get WEAKER

Then there are more trace minerals to consider, non trace minerals like phosphorus, etc. All are important. Getting enough of them isn't enough, you must get the proper ratios

Doing all that? Cool, but it's useless if you're only eating once a day. Micros encourage nutrient utilization, but you need the nutrients to make use of that

In short, nutrition is way more complicated than people on here realize. You supplement with a few things you read increase bone mass, and you're fucked because you're becoming more relatively deficient in other things you didn't know about

Learn to eat right

 

[Bewusst]

It's actually plausible that years of nutrient deprivation would cause bone atrophy. That's a reasonable time frame for some bone loss to take place

You could even lose bone mass eating every three hours, if your diet lacks certain nutrients. Op is jumping to low IQ conclusions based on some research paper he read online, without considering other, more plausible factors like his diet and weight loss. Muh "studies say fasting may accelerate bone loss so that's gotta be why my face has shrunk after years of intermittent fasting and most likely calorie and micronutrient restriction" broscience

 

[Deleted member 15698]

You could even lose bone mass eating every three hours, if your diet lacks certain nutrients. Op is jumping to low IQ conclusions based on some research paper he read online, without considering other, more plausible factors like his diet and weight loss. Muh "studies say fasting may accelerate bone loss so that's gotta be why my face has shrunk after years of intermittent fasting and most likely calorie and micronutrient restriction" broscience

Correct, but that being true doesn't mean that fasting ISN'T suboptimal for some health markers. In fact, it probably is. Not based on one study interpreted out of context, but based on quite a bit of research

That shouldn't be surprising, there is no cheat code to health. Keto, IF, etc., all have their limitations. The generally best diet for all around health markers, is a normal, healthy, and balanced diet

That said, is OP probably panicking based on a study, and imaginging things that didn't happen? Yeah lol

 

[Jerryterry129]

Sounds like bs. Fasting boosts growth hormone. Just eat same amount of calories and nutritious food once or twice a day and nothing bad will happen

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Sounds like bs. Fasting boosts growth hormone. Just eat same amount of calories and nutritious food once or twice a day and nothing bad will happen

Correct

But consider bones like the femur, vertebrae, etc., (which are what's examined in osteoporosis studies) receive sufficient stimulus forces to encourage nutrients to be used for remodeling purposes

The face not as much. But if you are hoping for remodeling, obviously mew 24/7, and chew as much as you safely can

And K2 is necessary but not enough. All K2 does is promote calcium to go to the right places. It's nothing without enough calcium.

And then if you're consuming enough calcium, you need enough D3 to make it bioavaliable. And once you're sufficient in those, ensure your copper zinc & magnesium are not low in relation, or your bones will actually get WEAKER

Then there are more trace minerals to consider, non trace minerals like phosphorus, etc. All are important. Getting enough of them isn't enough, you must get the proper ratios

Doing all that? Cool, but it's useless if you're only eating once a day. Micros encourage nutrient utilization, but you need the nutrients to make use of that

In short, nutrition is way more complicated than people on here realize. You supplement with a few things you read increase bone mass, and you're fucked because you're becoming more relatively deficient in other things you didn't know about

Learn to eat right

If I had the bone mass to begin with should it be easier to get back? As in I’m not trying to create something that wasn’t once there

also I never eat once a day

I eat twice a day on non workout days and 3 times a day on workout days

Only do the two times a day like 2 days out of the whole week

 

[Deleted member 15698]

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If I had the bone mass to begin with should it be easier to get back? As in I’m not trying to create something that wasn’t once there

Idk dude I'm not God, I don't know the future. Just do what I said and see what happens. Chances are you're just an anxious personality over thinking shit anyway

 

[Deleted member 14160]

I been doing IF for 5-6 years and gained somerhalder tier jaw and good cheekbones after 20. Infras are recessed tho

Overall, I doubt a few extra hours of not dosing the body of nutrients could have a detrimental effect- just apply occam's razor- its unlikely our bodies evolved over millions of years to be optimized to being fed every few hours

 

[Sens]

Anything below 24h isn't a fasting

 

[Jerryterry129]

I been doing IF for 5-6 years and gained somerhalder tier jaw and good cheekbones after 20. Infras are recessed tho

Overall, I doubt a few extra hours of not dosing the body of nutrients could have a detrimental effect- just apply occam's razor- its unlikely our bodies evolved over millions of years to be optimized to being fed every few hours

Look at all of these hardcore long time IFERS and ketoers. A lot of them have sagging faces all due to either collagen or bone loss

 

[Jerryterry129]

Anything below 24h isn't a fasting

I usually do 20+ hours so pretty close

 

[Deleted member 14160]

Look at all of these hardcore long time IFERS and ketoers. A lot of them have sagging faces all due to either collagen or bone loss

Show example? Imo it's too precarious to attribute aging markers to someone's diet alone in the midst of genetics/caloric intake/exercise/ lifestyle etc.

 

[TsarTsar444]

I naturally eat 2 meals a day, one at 9am and the next at 7pm, thats okay right?

 

[PURE ARYAN GENETICS]

are you fucking serious m8?

 

[Deleted member 14160]

Effect of alternate day fasting on markers of bone metabolism: An exploratory analysis of a 6-month randomized controlled trial

Alternate day fasting (ADF) is a novel diet therapy that reduces body weight, but its effect on bone health remains unknown.This study examined the impact of ADF versus traditional daily calorie restriction (CR) on markers of bone metabolism in a 6-month ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

After 6 months of losing weight thru calorie reduction vs fasting- Lean mass, total body bone mineral content and total body bone mineral density remained unchanged in all groups.

 

[Deleted member 15698]

Effect of alternate day fasting on markers of bone metabolism: An exploratory analysis of a 6-month randomized controlled trial

Alternate day fasting (ADF) is a novel diet therapy that reduces body weight, but its effect on bone health remains unknown.This study examined the impact of ADF versus traditional daily calorie restriction (CR) on markers of bone metabolism in a 6-month ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

After 6 months of losing weight thru calorie reduction vs fasting- Lean mass, total body bone mineral content and total body bone mineral density remained unchanged in all groups.

Not relevant because in a deficit. In a deficit, collagen and bone loss happens anyway. Need studies at maintenance, cannot determine anything useful here

 

[Jerryterry129]

Effect of alternate day fasting on markers of bone metabolism: An exploratory analysis of a 6-month randomized controlled trial

Alternate day fasting (ADF) is a novel diet therapy that reduces body weight, but its effect on bone health remains unknown.This study examined the impact of ADF versus traditional daily calorie restriction (CR) on markers of bone metabolism in a 6-month ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

After 6 months of losing weight thru calorie reduction vs fasting- Lean mass, total body bone mineral content and total body bone mineral density remained unchanged in all groups.

There’s just as many things that point to bone density destruction in the study you linked lmao

also they said in fatter people there’s less bone loss hence the skewed results. il admit I didn’t read the whole thing yet though

Here’s another study

Changes in bone density and bone quality caused by single fasting for 96 hours in rats

Young women occasionally engage in dietary restrictions accompanied by fasting for the purpose of losing weight, but such restrictions have various effects on body functions. The recent increase in the number of people suffering from osteoporosis has ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

“In the control group, bone density increased gradually during the study period. While fasting, the increase in bone density in the fasting group was inhibited and showed significantly lower values than those found in the control group, until day 2 after resumption of feeding, BMD is significantly lower in fasted group.”

I know it’s 96 hours but still

 

[Deleted member 14160]

Not relevant because in a deficit. In a deficit, collagen and bone loss happens anyway. Need studies at maintenance, cannot determine anything useful here

Oh I see. In your view what is best for maintenance tbh? Also tagging @Jerryterry129 @Bewusst

Autophagy in bone homeostasis and the onset of osteoporosis - Bone Research

Autophagy is an evolutionarily conserved intracellular process, in which domestic cellular components are selectively digested for the recycling of nutrients and energy. This process is indispensable for cell homeostasis maintenance and stress responses. Both genetic and functional studies have...

www.nature.com

Rapamycin-induced autophagy activity promotes bone fracture healing in rats

Autophagy is a crucial mediating process for normal bone cell function and metabolism in physiology or pathology. Rapamycin has been demonstrated to induce the autophagy pathway by inhibiting the mammalian target of rapamycin (mTOR) pathway. However, ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

It's just my theory but moderate length fasting is one of the strongest and easiest ways to induce autophagy, and there are some studies that link autophagic activity to bone homeostasis/repair and bone degenerative diseases. As a general rule, autophagic activity reduces with aging, thus boosting it through means such as fasting could be helpful against bone loss?

 

[Bitchwhipper2]

IF apparently accelerates bone degration and oesteoprosis

in other words you degrade your bones more than you create, hence bone loss. Ie we are constantly creating and destroying bones

Fasting is very damaging to facial bones


Bone density is significantly decreased when fasting


I feel like my jaw and cheeks used to be a bit bigger before fasting (2years ago)

Would mega dosing k2 and drinking more milk with calcium help with this? As well as trying to raise estrogen by eating aloe since estrogen is responsible for bones?

I’m just trying to get back what I had before fasting

Why tf did you do intermittent fasting?

 

[TITUS]

You are just subhuman, buy yourself some implants and stop coping.

 

[Chadethnic101]

IF apparently accelerates bone degration and oesteoprosis

in other words you degrade your bones more than you create, hence bone loss. Ie we are constantly creating and destroying bones

Fasting is very damaging to facial bones


Bone density is significantly decreased when fasting


I feel like my jaw and cheeks used to be a bit bigger before fasting (2years ago)

Would mega dosing k2 and drinking more milk with calcium help with this? As well as trying to raise estrogen by eating aloe since estrogen is responsible for bones?

I’m just trying to get back what I had before fasting

No you are just overthinking this imo

 

[ScramFranklin]

M


If I had the bone mass to begin with should it be easier to get back? As in I’m not trying to create something that wasn’t once there

also I never eat once a day

I eat twice a day on non workout days and 3 times a day on workout days

Only do the two times a day like 2 days out of the whole week

lmao then its absolutely not due to you fasting.

 

[Deleted member 16456]

As long as you aren't malnourished and/or in a deficit idk know how that could happen.