"As demand for top tier men grows and supply dwindles, women are freaking out"

I think everything is taken into account with SMV.
yes obviously but face and penis size come in lightyears in front of everything else if frame and height are non truecel tier. Faaaaaaaaaar behind those come being tall, and after that everything else (big frame, muscles, nt, personality, style etc)
 
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yes obviously but face and penis size come in lightyears in front of everything else if frame and height are non truecel tier. Faaaaaaaaaar behind those come being tall, and after that everything else (big frame, muscles, nt, personality, style etc)
The girls are still swooning over the two 6'2-6'3 fit/muscular white Chadlite colleagues.
 
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The girls are still swooning over the two 6'2-6'3 fit/muscular white Chadlite colleagues.
of course, they are chadlites. Make them ltn or even mtn and they wouldn't get swooned over. Girls also swoon over my 5'10 htn gymcelled turkish friend. It's about face (and maybe body). My 6 foot tall (below average in NL) chadlite classmate litterally had 2 girls date him at the same time willingly. Keep in mind they were all like 15 years old. I basically witnessed the whole "girls would rather share chad than settle with a normie" thing irl far before i stumbled upon any PSL or manosphere stuff jfl
 
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i just feel like the whole "hookup culture" thing is either something that is only talked about on the internet or one giant prisoners dillema/nash equilibrium kind of thing were everyone thinks everyone else is enganging in it and having tons of partners but in reality nobody is actually participating in it except a small selection of both women and men. It's mostly exaggerated by entertainment and social media i feeel like. It kinda reminds me of how SFcels think the white race is dying and that imigrants are taking over europe when in reality ethnics still make up a very small precentage of the overal population.

normal people of both genders have like 5 slays tops and besides that only have sex in relationships.
I used to think that too, except my oneitis has insane bodycount, hence I gave up
 
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of course, they are chadlites. Make them ltn or even mtn and they wouldn't get swooned over. Girls also swoon over my 5'10 htn gymcelled turkish friend. It's about face (and maybe body). My 6 foot tall (below average in NL) chadlite classmate litterally had 2 girls date him at the same time willingly. Keep in mind they were all like 15 years old. I basically witnessed the whole "girls would rather share chad than settle with a normie" thing irl far before i stumbled upon any PSL or manosphere stuff jfl
Those same girls are friendly and platonic towards me, often using me as an emotional tampon to help them out.
I guess it's my 5'9 height and the fact I don't have abs/an introvert
 
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of course, they are chadlites. Make them ltn or even mtn and they wouldn't get swooned over. Girls also swoon over my 5'10 htn gymcelled turkish friend. It's about face (and maybe body). My 6 foot tall (below average in NL) chadlite classmate litterally had 2 girls date him at the same time willingly. Keep in mind they were all like 15 years old. I basically witnessed the whole "girls would rather share chad than settle with a normie" thing irl far before i stumbled upon any PSL or manosphere stuff jfl
this 6 foot guy did better than the 6'10 guy that got scouted to play basketball professionally and several 6'3 dudes, by the way
 
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I used to think that too, except my oneitis has insane bodycount, hence I gave up
yeah obviously there are exceptions, but the general rule holds true.
I was talking with a friend yesterday and he talked about some guy he met during uni introduction week who had 8 slays at age 18. He talked about it like it was a major number, which it is outside of this forum
 
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this 6 foot guy did better than the 6'10 guy that got scouted to play basketball professionally and several 6'3 dudes, by the way
What were their face ratings?
 
yeah obviously there are exceptions, but the general rule holds true.
I was talking with a friend yesterday and he talked about some guy he met during uni introduction week who had 8 slays at age 18. He talked about it like it was a major number, which it is outside of this forum
PSL of the guy?
 
What were their face ratings?
both mtn i guess, maybe htn. I just now that the 6 foot guy was more handsome than all of them and that he was liked more by girls. Their bodies were all similar. Just healthy weight, nothing special in terms of muscle mass
 
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PSL of the guy?
no idea he didn't share pictures of him. He did talk about how he was a big drunk + pretty low inhib and NT overall.
 
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both mtn i guess, maybe htn. I just now that the 6 foot guy was more handsome than all of them and that he was liked more by girls. Their bodies were all similar. Just healthy weight, nothing special in terms of muscle mass
In that case, I think NT carried them
 
Life changes so much after uni. Uni usually is the peak of your life without worries. It's not that life becomes worse, but that change is brutal.
I mean I do way better with girls now and have money so I’d so overall life is better but I miss just sitting round with my mates chillint everyday
 
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It's 2022, do not forget that
Don't dare to breath fresh air and use the oxygen if your are sub 6 PSL
Don't dare to exist as sub Chad irl or the internet
Don't dare to be above 11 % bf and under 22 inches bideltoid without me calling the police for sexual harassment incel
Irl I agree
 
The 1 guy who did better than even him was also 6'3, but his face was better than the 6 foot guy. Looks kind of like David Beckham. I think p much every girl in his classes had a crush on him at some point. I am willing to bet he would do just as well even if he was like 5'10 as he easily beat the other 6'1 to 6'4 guys in terms of female appeal.

I will also ofc add the disclaimer that if you are a legit manlet it is over. But being like 5'10 wont harm your smv imo
 
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The 1 guy who did better than even him was also 6'3, but his face was better than the 6 foot guy. Looks kind of like David Beckham. I think p much every girl in his classes had a crush on him at some point. I am willing to bet he would do just as well even if he was like 5'10 as he easily beat the other 6'1 to 6'4 guys in terms of female appeal.

I will also ofc add the disclaimer that if you are a legit manlet it is over. But being like 5'10 wont harm your smv imo
What about being 5'9?
 
Stopped reading after reddit.com
 
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On Reddit and r/hinge there have been so many unhappy women (mostly beckies) complaining about "men just want sex" and "men don't want relationships", from both zoomer and millennial foids.
When they say "men" they actually mean Chads, and of course why would a Chad want a relationship when he can easily pump and dump. The average guys who would be more than happy to have a relationship, don't even register as "men" for most women, they are invisible to them.
 
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What about being 5'9?
would be a failo in the netherlands but if you have a good face you still have high smv espec if combined with a good body. Don't know about the US or UK tho. I'd argue being 5'9 is actually a bigger failo in the US than the Netherlands because the Dutch are much less heightist i feel like. My 5'6 turkish friend pretty much never gets bullied or ridiclued for his height (has a Clark Kent lower third tho). Pretty ironic for the tallest country in the world. Maybe amerimutts are just compensating for being midgets by being overly obssessed with height
 
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I'm thinking of making an SMV quiz for niggas on this site to know their true value
Tag me if you do it.
i just feel like the whole "hookup culture" thing is either something that is only talked about on the internet or one giant prisoners dillema/nash equilibrium kind of thing were everyone thinks everyone else is enganging in it and having tons of partners but in reality nobody is actually participating in it except a small selection of both women and men. It's mostly exaggerated by entertainment and social media i feeel like. It kinda reminds me of how SFcels think the white race is dying and that imigrants are taking over europe when in reality ethnics still make up a very small precentage of the overal population.

normal people of both genders have like 5 slays tops and besides that only have sex in relationships.
Indeed, but you can't negate that nowadays there is a bigger percentage of people wanting to experience and travel. 40 years ago people were family oriented since much more early in their lives.
 
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When they say "men" they actually mean Chads, and of course why would a Chad want a relationship when he can easily pump and dump. The average guys who would be more than happy to have a relationship, don't even register as "men" for most women, they are invisible to them.
Chad wants a ltr with a valuable and good looking woman. If not, they keep pumping and dumping until they find one.
 
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Tag me if you do it.

Indeed, but you can't negate that nowadays there is a bigger percentage of people wanting to experience and travel. 40 years ago people were family oriented since much more early in their lives.
true, but i feel like hookup culture is gigantically exaggerated both by media and on this forum. Maybe it is because i grew up and went to school in small towns but i feel like you would be hard pressed to find a woman with a bodycount over 10. I feel like "slaying" in general is much less popular in NL than in the US as a goal, people here just slay every now and then as natural part of meeting people in festivals, parties etc. You dont really have the PUA types who go out with the intention to slay as many girls as possible,
 
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Yes and to add to this point because oppurtunities in social circle are infrequent there is also an element of random luck to it. This same random luck applies less online cos if you look good enough you will get dates
No random luck applies more to old

Even if you’re a chadlite, a stacylite might be talking to 15 other chadlites and she will only hangout with 1 on weekend

That’s not the case irl , that’s why you see normies with stacylites
 
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Chad wants a ltr with a valuable and good looking woman. If not, they keep pumping and dumping until they find one.
true pretty much every gl guy i knew or know irl is a serial monogamist at worst. I haven't met any actual consistent slayers irl. But then again, i also have never seen a true PSL chad either. Chadlite at highest and that was only once (he was like 6'4 too fml). Contrary to most curries on this forum i dont automatically overrate every non deformed white guy to chadlite level.
 
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No random luck applies more to old

Even if you’re a chadlite, a stacylite might be talking to 15 other chadlites and she will only hangout with 1 on weekend

That’s not the case irl , that’s why you see normies with stacylites
No bro cos social circle = very few women but very prolonged interactions with each

Old = very many women but very brief interactions with each

More interactions = more regression to the mean as it were
 
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No bro cos social circle = very few women but very prolonged interactions with each

Old = very many women but very brief interactions with each

More interactions = more regression to the mean as it were
yeah this makes sense mathematically. Both have benefits and disadvantages. One underrated advantage of social circles is that you also spend more time with a single girl and hence, mere exposure effect makes her more attractive to you than if you were to see her on OLD. As such, your standards are probably lower for IRL than on OLD the same way women's standards are. Even for ltr.
 
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No bro cos social circle = very few women but very prolonged interactions with each

Old = very many women but very brief interactions with each

More interactions = more regression to the mean as it were
I get your point , but I’m not talking about social girls lol

I’ve had girls flake/ghost me online but same girls hooked up with me when I met them at a club/bar

My point is there aren’t 20 guys talking to her at a same time irl
 
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yeah this makes sense mathematically. Both have benefits and disadvantages. One underrated advantage of social circles is that you also spend more time with a single girl and hence, mere exposure effect makes her more attractive to you than if you were to see her on OLD. As such, your standards are probably lower for IRL than on OLD the same way women's standards are. Even for ltr.
Aside from the girl being slim , white and young the thing I care most about is the way she treats me
 
It really is this simple. Watch:

Do you do poorly in real life? You are not attractive.
Do you do poorly in online dating? You are not attractive.

It's that simple. Amazing how the "Step 1. Be attractive..." was the meme response on Tinder but as soon as the subreddit changes to a more generic "dating" subreddit where experiences become muddled, a simple observation of reality is now enough to label you as a misogynist.

The only way any of this shit is being fixed is a shortage of males through massive warfare or some sort of lethal pandemic. It will not be fixed by hand-wringing or posting on Reddit or making le epic blackpill videos. This is the new reality and it is going to be very, very bad for average males for the foreseeable future. You should be doing everything in your power to max out every single area of your life.
 
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yes obviously but face and penis size come in lightyears in front of everything else if frame and height are non truecel tier. Faaaaaaaaaar behind those come being tall, and after that everything else (big frame, muscles, nt, personality, style etc)
Why is dick that important? I'm 7x6 NBP and it's rare to get compliments. I don't think women value dicks that much as they appear to do in porn.
 
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I get your point , but I’m not talking about social girls lol

I’ve had girls flake/ghost me online but same girls hooked up with me when I met them at a club/bar

My point is there aren’t 20 guys talking to her at a same time irl
When girls sees you in a old profile they don't see you as a real thing, like she has to be in a very specific mood to do all the steps necessary to both of you have sex. If she sees you in the bar she just goes with the flow.
 
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It really is this simple. Watch:

Do you do poorly in real life? You are not attractive.
Do you do poorly in online dating? You are attractive.

It's that simple. Amazing how the "Step 1. Be attractive..." was the meme response on Tinder but as soon as the subreddit changes to a more generic "dating" subreddit where experiences become muddled, a simple observation of reality is now enough to label you as a misogynist.

The only way any of this shit is being fixed is a shortage of males through massive warfare or some sort of lethal pandemic. It will not be fixed by hand-wringing or posting on Reddit or making le epic blackpill videos. This is the new reality and it is going to be very, very bad for average males for the foreseeable future. You should be doing everything in your power to max out every single area of your life.
agree with everything. Water asf but with the current state of .org this stuff needs to be said more often. And yeah warfare and diseases have been the natural regulator of not only males but human populations as a whole. Of course a lot of stuff goes off the rails and bad stuff happens when a certain animal reaches close to or exceeds their carrying capacity (behavioral skink is the most famous example). Dating is just one of those things.
 
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Why is dick that important? I'm 7x6 NBP and it's rare to get compliments. I don't think women value dicks that much as they appear to do in porn.
of course you would say this being 7x6. That is well above average and very big irl espec because of girth. Dicks are important because they play a big part in the sexual pleasur of women. A man with a micropenis or even just "normal small" gets bullied by both men and women and has his smv essentially slashed to 0. It's not about getting compliments, it's about being able to perform sexually. Hardness and endurance are very important aswell.

You can also look at subs like r/bigdickjoy (warning:suifuil inducing) to see how much women like big dicks (yeah a lot on that sub is probably larp or gay but a good bit are women too). Also just general media and society, most recent example being that one shower scene from the sex/life netflix show.

+ my granddad and great granddad both have (had?) huge dicks and they were well known for it + slayed partially because of it despite being ugly. Great grandpa literally had a separate towel to wrap around his dick after showering. They were just known for their sexual prowess in general both in the family and outside of it. My great grandpa had my grandpa at 70. Keep in mind their primes were during the early 19th century and late 18th century Iran. Can't get more conservative than that (although the islamic revolution wasn't there yet so there was obviously less restriction on sex).
 
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When girls sees you in a old profile they don't see you as a real thing, like she has to be in a very specific mood to do all the steps necessary to both of you have sex. If she sees you in the bar she just goes with the flow.
because old they know you're there just to get something from them (sex), whereas irl if you're not too autistic the interaction sort of has a ~natural~ progression even though the end result is the same. they want it to be ~natural~
 
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because old they know you're there just to get something from them (sex), whereas irl if you're not too autistic the interaction sort of has a ~natural~ progression even though the end result is the same. they want it to be ~natural~
true foids care about the entire experience form start to finish even if they want to hookup. They want to be seduced, flirted with, brought home etc
 
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of course you would say this being 7x6. That is well above average and very big irl espec because of girth. Dicks are important because they play a big part in the sexual pleasur of women. A man with a micropenis or even just "normal small" gets bullied by both men and women and has his smv essentially slashed to 0. It's not about getting compliments, it's about being able to perform sexually. Hardness and endurance are very important aswell.

You can also look at subs like r/bigdickjoy (warning:suifuil inducing) to see how much women like big dicks (yeah a lot on that sub is probably larp or gay but a good bit are women too). Also just general media and society, most recent example being that one shower scene from the sex/life netflix show.

+ my granddad and great grandadd both have (had?) huge dicks and they were well known for it + slayed partially because of it despite being ugly.They were just known for their sexual prowess in general both in the family and outside of it. My great grandpa had my grandpa at 70. Keep in mind their prime was during the early 19th century and late 18th century Iran. Can't get more conservative than that (although the islamic revolution wasn't there yet so there was obviously less restriction on sex).
I feel a big dick is very important for the visual aspect and feeling of being stretched and touching cervix if you desire. It contributes to make you more dominant in their eyes. But is something implicit, I don't think is something that girls will usually verbalize.
 
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true foids care about the entire experience form start to finish even if they want to hookup. They want to be seduced, flirted with, brought home etc
Women desire to find a high quality man in a casual way if they can and be happy together. They fear to fall in love and be dumped. These are the unadulterated ones. Most are truly far gone.

I think lots of users here don't have much emphaty. When you see women as human beings you no longer hate them, they are victims of ignorance and lack of learned values. But in the end they truly desire to be happy.
 
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I feel a big dick is very important for the visual aspect and feeling of being stretched and touching cervix if you desire. It contributes to make you more dominant in their eyes. But is something implicit, I don't think is something that girls will usually verbalize.
They will definitely verbalise. I remember after highschool ended a small group of classmates organized a little get togheter dinner thing for her friendgroup (which included me by second degree). Basically all the foids got drunk and out of nowhere one of them brought up the question "are tall trees also thick?" (this sounds better in Dutch, but you can guess the implication i am sure). It took a few secs for te other girls to get the double entendre but then a few of them laughed pretty hard and said "haha no" with an almost dissapointed look to their face. This was just a tiny occurence during a small dinner type thing with like 8 people at the table (with only like 4 of them being foids). Stuff like this happens all the time during social gatherings especially with only women in it.

I should also mention that this whole group has not discussed anything of sexual nature ever before this. This was basically a freudian slip, so it's not a cause of "you just hang arounds slutty girls brah"
 
true pretty much every gl guy i knew or know irl is a serial monogamist at worst. I haven't met any actual consistent slayers irl. But then again, i also have never seen a true PSL chad either. Chadlite at highest and that was only once (he was like 6'4 too fml). Contrary to most curries on this forum i dont automatically overrate every non deformed white guy to chadlite level.
What do you mean by at worst, does this mean they end up as betabuxxers for a 5/10 chubby becky who gives them starfish sex once a month?
 
They will definitely verbalise. I remember after highschool ended a small group of classmates organized a little get togheter dinner thing for her friendgroup (which included me by second degree). Basically all the foids got drunk and out of nowhere one of them brought up the question "are tall trees also thick?" (this sounds better in Dutch, but you can guess the implication i am sure). It took a few secs for te other girls to get the double entendre but then a few of them laughed pretty hard and said "haha no" with an almost dissapointed look to their face. This was just a tiny occurence during a small dinner type thing with like 8 people at the table (with only like 4 of them being foids). Stuff like this happens all the time during social gatherings especially with only women in it.
Yes, I know women talked behind my back about that. But I can count with the fingers of my hand the times they verbalized it to me.
 
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What do you mean by at worst, does this mean they end up as betabuxxers for a 5/10 chubby becky who gives them starfish sex once a month?
no by "worst' i mean that that at their least monogamous they were still essentially being monogmaous/in LTRs, just a lot of them in a row. I have never known and still don't know anyone irl or even online that is a "slayer" in the sense that they have hookups regularely. Pretty much all my acquitances, friends and people i knew/know do relationships if they participate in sex and romance at all (yes even the women). I think in general forums like this are overrepresenting very high libido hookup seeking men and we like to project our desires on the rest of the population. Men irl seem to legitimately desire LTRs, even my most horny friends do.
 
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Dating apps aren’t real life
Yes they are

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It really is this simple. Watch:

Do you do poorly in real life? You are not attractive.
Do you do poorly in online dating? You are not attractive.

It's that simple. Amazing how the "Step 1. Be attractive..." was the meme response on Tinder but as soon as the subreddit changes to a more generic "dating" subreddit where experiences become muddled, a simple observation of reality is now enough to label you as a misogynist.

The only way any of this shit is being fixed is a shortage of males through massive warfare or some sort of lethal pandemic. It will not be fixed by hand-wringing or posting on Reddit or making le epic blackpill videos. This is the new reality and it is going to be very, very bad for average males for the foreseeable future. You should be doing everything in your power to max out every single area of your life.
What do you define as doing well?

IRL, when I was at uni (3rd - 5th year), some girls would approach me and wanted me to go to a bar or sleazy house party with them, to which I replied that I was a practicing Muslim.

Now, I got cold approached once. The other single girls at the workplace instead are swooning over two 6'2 white muscular maesthetic chadlites, asking them to do favours for them, or to "have a moment" with them.

84 likes in 24 hours on Tinder before deleting the app
 
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I also get left on read. Its brutal because i know it's only that way cuz I'm too ugly.
 
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What do you define as doing well?

IRL, when I was at uni (3rd - 5th year), some girls would approach me and wanted me to go to a bar or sleazy house party with them, to which I replied that I was a practicing Muslim.

Now, I got cold approached once. The other single girls at the workplace instead are swooning over two 6'2 white muscular maesthetic chadlites, asking them to do favours for them, or to "have a moment" with them.

84 likes in 24 hours on Tinder before deleting the app
imo if you get 84 likes on tinder in 24 hours you are doing pretty well. You are just unlucky because according to yourself you have 2 maesthetic chadlites in your workplace. Of course the women will flock to them. It's a mog or be mogged world.
 
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no by "worst' i mean that that at their least monogamous they were still essentially being monogmaous/in LTRs, just a lot of them in a row. I have never known and still don't know anyone irl or even online that is a "slayer" in the sense that they have hookups regularely. Pretty much all my acquitances, friends and people i knew/know do relationships if they participate in sex and romance at all (yes even the women). I think in general forums like this are overrepresenting very high libido hookup seeking men and we like to project our desires on the rest of the population. Men irl seem to legitimately desire LTRs, even my most horny friends do.
I think @VicMackey knows one druggie MTN who slayed 1000 girls
 
Caging at the responses. Women can 'sense' his misogyny, that's why he's failing.

Too bad they can't sense their 6'4 badboy boyfriend will beat them again
I JFL'ed so hard at this that I had to send it to a female friend
 
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