As incels, injecting T is the way to go

[Deleted member 7725]

Go compete in strongman then lol.
Tales from the gym's basement.

275 lb bench press isn't that crazy. You seem to be the one in the basement.

 

[Deleted member 7725]

Kneesovertoesguy and athlean X are good too tho

They're cope tbh. They just want to differentiate from normal trainers with their advanced workouts but I don't think they're that effective. I did kneesovertoesguy's workouts and my knees still hurt. Only thing that helped was getting my squat number up. It's just a different and imo less effective way to get the same results.

 

[TakaTeo]

They're cope tbh. They just want to differentiate from normal trainers with their advanced workouts but I don't think they're that effective. I did kneesovertoesguy's workouts and my knees still hurt. Only thing that helped was getting my squat number up. It's just a different and imo less effective way to get the same results.

arent you also 6"7? why tf are you doing normal squats at that height. im 6"6.5 for legs i only do leg curls/extensions, hack squat (i have no knee issues with this) and leg press. you dont need to squat.

 

[Deleted member 7725]

arent you also 6"7? why tf are you doing normal squats at that height. im 6"6.5 for legs i only do leg curls/extensions, hack squat (i have no knee issues with this) and leg press. you dont need to squat.

What's the issue with squats? I have no problem getting to parallel and even ATG (with lighter weights). Leg extensions are bad for the ACL.

 

[ChristianChad]

They're cope tbh. They just want to differentiate from normal trainers with their advanced workouts but I don't think they're that effective. I did kneesovertoesguy's workouts and my knees still hurt. Only thing that helped was getting my squat number up. It's just a different and imo less effective way to get the same results.

Everyone's different in terms of what exercise work for them to get results and this is definite (H2O). Kneesovertoesguy is about progressively getting better in knee strength and he has a training method for individuals with really bad knees as he has himself. Personally I implement some of their exercises
they offer good stuff, doesn't mean you have to train the way that works for them.

 

[ChristianChad]

Over for you if you watch Athlean X

Over if you don't implement face pulls in your daily rotator cuff exercise routine

 

[TakaTeo]

What's the issue with squats? I have no problem getting to parallel and even ATG (with lighter weights). Leg extensions are bad for the ACL.

i find squats fuck my knees. i have good form, have had many people check it out and help me with it but to no avail. I also don't deadlift or flat bench. these three exercises whilst being staples of lifting are the trifecta of eventual injuries. even with perfect form these exercises will still eventually injure you.

 

[TITUS]

275 lb bench press isn't that crazy. You seem to be the one in the basement.

You are retarded, record yourself benching that or it's just a bunch of tales from the SARMs aids infected faggot.

 

[TITUS]

Don't mind getting my genetic potential in 3 months. I don't understand why they're for faggots.

Two 6 week cycles should work out.

You claim you only need this to reach your genetic potential and do a 275 lb bench press, if you are not the most retarded user of this site, you are up there.

 

[Deleted member 756]

I will do roids soon ngl

 

[randomuser2407]

You’re a giga retard

That actually sounds like something the Stifmeister would say.

 

[randomuser2407]

You have no idea what the fuck you’re talking about. You don’t lose gains if you cruise instead of PCT. Steroids won’t speed up aging unless you’re running very heavy cycles. JFL at posting such a long response with ZERO valuable information in it.

The main reason why I don't do steroids is because I don't want to have to keep injecting for the rest of my life because once you start, you can't stop and maintain. And besides, unless your genetics are the bottom 1%, you can get a great physique in 2-3 years of natural training.

 

[Deleted member 14274]

The main reason why I don't do steroids is because I don't want to have to keep injecting for the rest of my life because once you start, you can't stop and maintain. And besides, unless your genetics are the bottom 1%, you can get a great physique in 2-3 years of natural training.

I disagree. I think you can have a decent physique natty but you can never achieve a Zyzz or Jeff Seid level physique without using steroids. To build a physique that gets you laid based on physique alone you need steroids.

 

[randomuser2407]

I disagree. I think you can have a decent physique natty but you can never achieve a Zyzz or Jeff Seid level physique without using steroids. To build a physique that gets you laid based on physique alone you need steroids.

@fogdart would highly disagree with you. He gets laid on Tinder with a natty physique

 

[fogdart]

@fogdart would highly disagree with you. He gets laid on Tinder with a natty physique

you don't need Jeff seid or zyzz tier physique to get laid on Tinder. This should be enough:

Natty and lean:

 

[Deleted member 14274]

you don't need Jeff seid or zyzz tier physique to get laid on Tinder. This should be enough:

Natty and lean:

Enough to bang average girls on Tinder, but if any of those guys walk into a bar/club they will be giga mogged. Would literally look DYEL in a tshirt. Terrible physiques tbh.

 

[fogdart]

Enough to bang average girls on Tinder, but if any of those guys walk into a bar/club they will be giga mogged. Would literally look DYEL in a tshirt. Terrible physiques tbh.

Guys who look like JEff Seid or Zyzz are extremely rare IRL. Also, club slaying is almost non existent these days. Online dating is where everyone gets girls and these guys will slay for sure

@copingvolcel

 

[Deleted member 14274]

Guys who look like JEff Seid or Zyzz are extremely rare IRL. Also, club slaying is almost non existent these days. Online dating is where everyone gets girls and these guys will slay for sure

@copingvolcel

LMAO are you a retard? Bars/clubs are my main source of lays and dates during the week. Probably non-existent for you because you look DYEL the second you put a shirt on. Bars/clubs are for jacked guys over 6 foot. And guys that look like Jeff Seid/Zyzz are rare which is the point of looking like that. If every guy had a top tier physique it would matter less.

 

[Doober]

I disagree. I think you can have a decent physique natty but you can never achieve a Zyzz or Jeff Seid level physique without using steroids. To build a physique that gets you laid based on physique alone you need steroids.

Yeah pretty much. The biggest issue with natural lifting is that a guy has to have a degree of bodyfat to get truly large

 

[randomuser2407]

LMAO are you a retard? Bars/clubs are my main source of lays and dates during the week. Probably non-existent for you because you look DYEL the second you put a shirt on. Bars/clubs are for jacked guys over 6 foot. And guys that look like Jeff Seid/Zyzz are rare which is the point of looking like that. If every guy had a top tier physique it would matter less.

You're larping. If you really had a Zyzz physique, you wouldn't come here to brag because you'd be too busy with your busy lifestyle of partying and getting laid.

 

[randomuser2407]

Yeah pretty much. The biggest issue with natural lifting is that a guy has to have a degree of bodyfat to get truly large

That is false, you don't have to be fat to look big as a natural, you just can't be shredded to the bone. Also, the best players that I have seen always had a natty physique like Brad Pitt in Fight Club, none of them looked like Zyzz or Jeff Seid, and it was enough for women.

 

[Deleted member 14667]

lets be real

we can't fix our ugly faces, posture, skin, looks, etc

so the best next thing to do is to inject a shit load of t and become a quiet, ticking time bomb, that can snap at any moment

we can call ourselves ugly all we want, but at least no one will call us ugly (at least not in front of our face)

 

[Deleted member 14274]

You're larping. If you really had a Zyzz physique, you wouldn't come here to brag because you'd be too busy with your busy lifestyle of partying and getting laid.

I'm running a cycle you absolute fucking retard, my physique progress isn't complete.

 

[randomuser2407]

I'm running a cycle you absolute fucking retard, my physique progress isn't complete.

Hey Stifler, remember that time when you ate dog shit?

 

[Deleted member 14274]

Hey Stifler, remember that time when you ate dog shit?

PM me if you want to see physique

 

[.👽.]

The main reason why I don't do steroids is because I don't want to have to keep injecting for the rest of my life because once you start, you can't stop and maintain. And besides, unless your genetics are the bottom 1%, you can get a great physique in 2-3 years of natural training.

what happens if u don't inject after 1-2 cycles?

 

[randomuser2407]

what happens if u don't inject after 1-2 cycles?

Your testosterone levels crash and you quickly lose all your gains.

The only way to prevent this is to do Testosterone Replacement Therapy right after (TRT), but even then, you have to keep injecting to maintain your gains, because when you're on TRT, you inject testosterone.

And, if you didn't take PCT to keep your natural testosterone production healthy, then you will have very low testosterone levels when you stop taking steroids or TRT, so you will look far worse than the average man.

Taking steroids isn't a simple shortcut, it's a completely different path that leads to fast results at first but what you gain while on drugs is never permanent, which means that if you stop and restart later on, you will have to start over from scratch. Meanwhile, a natural lifter who has been training hard for 3 years consistently will be able to regain ALL his muscle mass within 3 months of training even if he stops for 5 years. The only time that this doesn't apply is if you try to regain your muscle mass at like 60 years old, then, because your testosterone levels are lower, you won't be able to look like when you were 20, unless you're on TRT.

If you inject TRT after 40 to fix low testosterone levels, you will be able to have a very impressive physique even in your 60s and 70s or older. The reason why men in their 60s, 70s and 80s are usually either fat or very skinny and frail is because as you age, your testosterone levels drop so much that building muscle becomes impossible and gaining fat becomes so easy. The old people that you see with an amazing physique aren't natural, they are on TRT. TRT isn't steroids, it is much more healthy and it can be legally prescribed by a doctor if you have low testosterone levels.

 

[.👽.]

Your testosterone levels crash and you quickly lose all your gains.

The only way to prevent this is to do Testosterone Replacement Therapy right after (TRT), but even then, you have to keep injecting to maintain your gains, because when you're on TRT, you inject testosterone.

And, if you didn't take PCT to keep your natural testosterone production healthy, then you will have very low testosterone levels when you stop taking steroids or TRT, so you will look far worse than the average man.

Taking steroids isn't a simple shortcut, it's a completely different path that leads to fast results at first but what you gain while on drugs is never permanent, which means that if you stop and restart later on, you will have to start over from scratch. Meanwhile, a natural lifter who has been training hard for 3 years consistently will be able to regain ALL his muscle mass within 3 months of training even if he stops for 5 years. The only time that this doesn't apply is if you try to regain your muscle mass at like 60 years old, then, because your testosterone levels are lower, you won't be able to look like when you were 20, unless you're on TRT.

If you inject TRT after 40 to fix low testosterone levels, you will be able to have a very impressive physique even in your 60s and 70s or older. The reason why men in their 60s, 70s and 80s are usually either fat or very skinny and frail is because as you age, your testosterone levels drop so much that building muscle becomes impossible and gaining fat becomes so easy. The old people that you see with an amazing physique aren't natural, they are on TRT. TRT isn't steroids, it is much more healthy and it can be legally prescribed by a doctor if you have low testosterone levels.

damn, i thought getting your goal body with injecting and then doing PCT would be enough

 

[Deleted member 14274]

Your testosterone levels crash and you quickly lose all your gains.

The only way to prevent this is to do Testosterone Replacement Therapy right after (TRT), but even then, you have to keep injecting to maintain your gains, because when you're on TRT, you inject testosterone.

And, if you didn't take PCT to keep your natural testosterone production healthy, then you will have very low testosterone levels when you stop taking steroids or TRT, so you will look far worse than the average man.

Taking steroids isn't a simple shortcut, it's a completely different path that leads to fast results at first but what you gain while on drugs is never permanent, which means that if you stop and restart later on, you will have to start over from scratch. Meanwhile, a natural lifter who has been training hard for 3 years consistently will be able to regain ALL his muscle mass within 3 months of training even if he stops for 5 years. The only time that this doesn't apply is if you try to regain your muscle mass at like 60 years old, then, because your testosterone levels are lower, you won't be able to look like when you were 20, unless you're on TRT.

If you inject TRT after 40 to fix low testosterone levels, you will be able to have a very impressive physique even in your 60s and 70s or older. The reason why men in their 60s, 70s and 80s are usually either fat or very skinny and frail is because as you age, your testosterone levels drop so much that building muscle becomes impossible and gaining fat becomes so easy. The old people that you see with an amazing physique aren't natural, they are on TRT. TRT isn't steroids, it is much more healthy and it can be legally prescribed by a doctor if you have low testosterone levels.

I don't mean to be a dick in the thread, but it's just that your steroid knowledge isn't good and you shouldn't give advice if you're not cycling/blasting yourself. Aside from that I agree with most of what you're saying. Yes you can get a good physique natty but if you want to look elite like a fitness influencer or Men's physique competitor you need steroids. A good natty physique is a complement to your overall looks but if you want to get laid off your physique alone you need an elite physique.

 

[randomuser2407]

I don't mean to be a dick in the thread, but it's just that your steroid knowledge isn't good and you shouldn't give advice if you're not cycling/blasting yourself. Aside from that I agree with most of what you're saying. Yes you can get a good physique natty but if you want to look elite like a fitness influencer or Men's physique competitor you need steroids. A good natty physique is a complement to your overall looks but if you want to get laid off your physique alone you need an elite physique.

I'm not talking about getting laid based on physique alone.

I'm talking about already having an above average face, top 1% height and being white, then the only thing that is missing is acquiring a muscular ripped physique.

Being skinny is the only reason why I am not slaying right now. As it has been said on TRP many times, you need to be muscular to do very well with women. You don't have to be on steroids to look like you lift in a t-shirt.

Of course, if you have a very ugly face and you are short, then only steroids can help you to look good enough to get laid easily.

But if you already have many things above average and only have your skinny body as a weakness, then you don't need steroids to fix the problem.

I'm already 6 foot 4, with an above average jaw, above average looks in the face, thick hair and hollow cheeks at 15% body fat, so if I was muscular, then my looks would be completely on point. I don't need to be muscular to get some women, but to get the widest appeal possible, I do need that a good natural physique.

 

[randomuser2407]

damn, i thought getting your goal body with injecting and then doing PCT would be enough

If it was that easy, then everybody would do it.

 

[oldcelloser]

Roiding has too many risks. I'm staying natty for life.

Reminder for Roidcucks (and SARMsCucks too)

TEMPORARY GAINS, PERMANENT NEGATIVE SIDE AFFECTS. see my other thread -> https://looksmax.org/threads/steriods-are-a-massive-healthmin-and-can-also-be-a-looksmin-too.171251/ JFL at destroying your organs and homeostasis for "muh gainz brah". The human body can't handle being on cycle forever...

looksmax.org

lol, you will remain permavirgin

 

[klamus]

arent you also 6"7? why tf are you doing normal squats at that height. im 6"6.5 for legs i only do leg curls/extensions, hack squat (i have no knee issues with this) and leg press. you dont need to squat.

Lmao what a coping squatlet

 

[randomuser2407]

arent you also 6"7? why tf are you doing normal squats at that height. im 6"6.5 for legs i only do leg curls/extensions, hack squat (i have no knee issues with this) and leg press. you dont need to squat.

Squats are superior to any other leg exercise for building the quads.
Deadlifts are the best for building glutes and hamstrings and strengthening the lower back.

Machine exercises give you subpar results in comparison so they are a waste of time. This has nothing to do with height btw.
Tall people need to focus even more on squatting than short people because their legs will always look small even if they get really strong at leg exercises, simply because their limbs are longer, I should know, I'm 6 foot 4 after all.

 

[oldcelloser]

Over for you if you watch Athlean X

retards watch fake natties on youtube, and believe the fact their natty and then attack roid users its so funny reading these threads

 

[Germania]

I don't mean to be a dick in the thread, but it's just that your steroid knowledge isn't good and you shouldn't give advice if you're not cycling/blasting yourself. Aside from that I agree with most of what you're saying. Yes you can get a good physique natty but if you want to look elite like a fitness influencer or Men's physique competitor you need steroids. A good natty physique is a complement to your overall looks but if you want to get laid off your physique alone you need an elite physique.

The thing is, that people don't know how much fucking work it is and how many years it needs for the average Joe to get a lean and good natty physique. Let's take Marc Fitt as an example:



To walk around like him, you need to dedicate a lot and this forever. I have/had a body like him as a natty and i can tell you, that it needs so much work if you don't have godlike genes. Just go to a random Gym here in Germany, how many guys have a lean high end (possible) natural achievable body like Marc Fitt? Maybe one out of 200-300 guys and they are most likely on gear.

 

[Alesund]

Because when you inject testosterone, you have more testosterone in your body.

Testosterone is the male hormone that allows you to build muscle and lose fat easily
Estrogen is the female hormone that allows you to lose muscle and gain fat easily.

Both men and women have both testosterone and estrogen, but men have more testosterone and women have more estrogen.

That is why men are twice as strong and twice as muscular as women on average and men also have twice the muscular and strength potential of women.

Since higher testosterone makes it easier to stay lean, it allows you to drop to a body fat percentage that is so low that a normal man with normal testosterone levels would suffer at.

By the way, this is all information that is very accessible on youtube if you only watch the good fitness channels and don't listen to morons who try to sell you stuff.

I still have no idea why you, a mf that trained for 4 years and couldn't even bench ONE plate for a single rep, are giving advice on how steroids will affect you as if you're a experienced roider who's done a few cycles and tried out a a lot of drugs.Armchair proffessor maggots like you should gtfo your room and do something with your life.

 

[Deleted member 14274]

I still have no idea why you, a mf that trained for 4 years and couldn't even bench ONE plate for a single rep, are giving advice on how steroids will affect you as if you're a experienced roider who's done a few cycles and tried out a a lot of drugs.Armchair proffessor maggots like you should gtfo your room and do something with your life.

Exactly this. He’s typing out essays with zero useful info in them and just copy pasting whatever he saw on Alphadestiny’a YouTube channel

 

[Deleted member 14274]

I'm not talking about getting laid based on physique alone.

I'm talking about already having an above average face, top 1% height and being white, then the only thing that is missing is acquiring a muscular ripped physique.

Being skinny is the only reason why I am not slaying right now. As it has been said on TRP many times, you need to be muscular to do very well with women. You don't have to be on steroids to look like you lift in a t-shirt.

Of course, if you have a very ugly face and you are short, then only steroids can help you to look good enough to get laid easily.

But if you already have many things above average and only have your skinny body as a weakness, then you don't need steroids to fix the problem.

I'm already 6 foot 4, with an above average jaw, above average looks in the face, thick hair and hollow cheeks at 15% body fat, so if I was muscular, then my looks would be completely on point. I don't need to be muscular to get some women, but to get the widest appeal possible, I do need that a good natural physique.

You have absolute terrible genetics for getting big. And you’re a retard when it comes to actual bodybuilding info. Please don’t ever talk about steroids/gear ever again. And btw most guys that are jacked at 6’4 are using steroids.

 

[BrownBoy]

damn, i thought getting your goal body with injecting and then doing PCT would be enough

It is. @copingvolcel doesn't know what he's talking about. Username checks out coping forsure

 

[.👽.]

It is. @copingvolcel doesn't know what he's talking about. Username checks out coping forsure

soo i inject once or twice, get my dream body, do a pct and im fine then? ofc i will lose some but not all right?

 

[BrownBoy]

soo i inject once or twice, get my dream body, do a pct and im fine then? ofc i will lose some but not all right?

Exactly, you wouldn't lose ALL the gains you made, but you may lose like 40% from the peak.

 

[.👽.]

Exactly, you wouldn't lose ALL the gains you made, but you may lose like 40% from the peak.

and will my natural T levels come back?

 

[Deleted member 7725]

You have absolute terrible genetics for getting big. And you’re a retard when it comes to actual bodybuilding info. Please don’t ever talk about steroids/gear ever again. And btw most guys that are jacked at 6’4 are using steroids.

This is the most that is achievable natty at 6'4"+ while being low BF:

In my opinion this size is good enough since frame and bigger bone structure will make you appear much more impressive in person. Any more than that will result in lots of fat in addition to muscle. To get to Rob Gronkowski or an NFL player's size without gear, you would need to put on considerable amounts of fat, which affects your facial appearance. I wanted to get to 235+ lbs but now I have a moon face and gut now so going back to being lean again. My face looked like Tim Tebow's but even worse since I can't grow a full beard yet:

 

[Deleted member 14274]

This is the most that is achievable natty at 6'4"+ while being low BF:

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In my opinion this size is good enough since frame and bigger bone structure will make you appear much more impressive in person. Any more than that will result in lots of fat in addition to muscle. To get to Rob Gronkowski or an NFL player's size without gear, you would need to put on considerable amounts of fat, which affects your facial appearance. I wanted to get to 230+ lbs but now I have a moon face and gut now so going back to being lean again. My face looked like Tim Tebow's but even worse since I can't grow a full beard yet:

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Gronk has a great physique

 

[Deleted member 7725]

Gronk has a great physique

He's someone who's a genetic freak. He's 265 lbs+ while still being <10% BF.

Similar to Zion Williamson who is 285 lbs and still low BF as well:

I don't think these are achievable natty by the average or even above average person. Only top 1%.

 

[Deleted member 14274]

He's someone who's a genetic freak. He's 265 lbs+ while still being <10% BF.

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Similar to Zion Williamson who is 285 lbs and still low BF as well:

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I don't think these are achievable natty by the average or even above average person. Only top 1%.

That’s my point. If you’re over 6’2 you need roids just to have a decent physique.

 

[randomuser2407]

Exactly, you wouldn't lose ALL the gains you made, but you may lose like 40% from the peak.

My point was that if you stop injecting steroids and do PCT, you will maintain your gains but unless you do TRT for the rest of your life afterwards, you will lose all your gains, why? Because you got your gains from the increase in testosterone levels, which you no longer have when you go back to being natural, so you lose all your gains.

Natural gains are different because there is muscle memory and your testosterone levels remain the same the entire time so you lose nothing, that is the difference.

You can ask anybody who has done it and they will tell you the same thing I am telling you if they are honest about how it works.
It's not that maintaining gains as a roider is impossible, but you cannot ever go back to being a natural, otherwise you lose all your gains.

The only benefit that you get with PCT is that you maintain natural testosterone production so your testicles never shrink and you can stop using steroids when you want to, it's just that you won't maintain what you gained if you do.

How is that so difficult to understand? If you could reach your natural limit in 2 cycles and then go back to not injecting, everybody would do it, but that's not how it works, steroids aren't just a shortcut, there are many disadvantages, which is why I will never do it.

 

[randomuser2407]

You have absolute terrible genetics for getting big. And you’re a retard when it comes to actual bodybuilding info. Please don’t ever talk about steroids/gear ever again. And btw most guys that are jacked at 6’4 are using steroids.

Dude, I know people who are my height who look great as naturals, you have no idea what you're talking about, you're making this assumption based on the physique of NBA players even though those guys don't even train to look good but to succeed at their sport.

You're extremely biased and you think you're an expert when in reality, you're just an idiot. You're the one who needs to shut up.

 

[Deleted member 14274]

Dude, I know people who are my height who look great as naturals, you have no idea what you're talking about, you're making this assumption based on the physique of NBA players even though those guys don't even train to look good but to succeed at their sport.

You're extremely biased and you think you're an expert when in reality, you're just an idiot. You're the one who needs to shut up.

My physique mogs yours to the moon and back JFL