koops
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Before and afters are an extremely important source of information. Cosmetic surgery and even non-surgical treatment like fillers are much less popular among men, meaning before and afters for men are harder to come by than those for women (except for certain procedures that are done most by men, like custom implants - you find more male b&a's but still not many).
That being said there is a serious issue with that in that the spread of information is being muddled by shitty before and afters. I'll go over the 3 types of shitty before and afters so you know what I mean, then I'll go over the type of before and after we really should be trying to do.
Type 1: The Normie B&A
This is a result from a local jaw surgeon of mine. LJS + Genio. She just snapped two different pics at completely different angles. The before and after is shitty because she didn't really care, which is fine because she's a normie. This is the most forgivable imo because these people aren't doing it intentionally
Type 2: The Looksmaxxer B&A
Probably the most annoying one. Just take the before pic in the most horrible of conditions to make yourself look as subhuman as possible, then do the entire frauding 101 combo in the after. I chose this result because someone made a thread about it a while back, but you can also see it expressed for other types of surgery too.
Another good example would be the type of people who make videos of themselves after doing like 12 things where they are just squinting, going at random frauding angles 24/7 etc - the point is not to actually give an accurate representation of what the surgery changed, but instead to gain the admiration of random dudes on the internet
In my opinion these results in bimax patients are 50% of what has led bimax to being an overrated surgery.
Type 3: The Marketing B&A
Most common in filler clinics. Not all surgeons or clinics do it, but many do. The most reprehensible imo because these are actually businesses we are talking about. Notice how they will use more subtle tricks: for example here you can see how the one taking the photo is using lens distortion especially to their advantage.
A good non-filler example is Dr. Sailer, who just says fuck it and takes two completely different pictures. of a dude
How to actually take a good before and after:
It's simple. Choose a location in your home where your camera is roughly eye level. Put the camera there. Stand 2 meters away. Take the photo.
After you're done what you wanna do, just put the camera in the same spot and do it again, trying to replicate the same posture and expression. It doesn't even have to be perfect. By doing just that you are already being more accurate than like 90% of before and afters posted on here, reddit etc.
"But Koops, that sounds autistic. This thread is autistic."
Yeah and this fucking forum is autistic bro. It is also one of the few places on the internet where there is a notable focus on male cosmetic surgery. I think that the information we can provide by actually posting genuine before and afters is worth the 3-5 minutes of trouble it takes to snap an accurate before and after picture. The information you actually provide by taking a good before and after is very valuable, especially when there are so many procedures where we have close to jack shit in terms of results to browse through
That being said there is a serious issue with that in that the spread of information is being muddled by shitty before and afters. I'll go over the 3 types of shitty before and afters so you know what I mean, then I'll go over the type of before and after we really should be trying to do.
Type 1: The Normie B&A
This is a result from a local jaw surgeon of mine. LJS + Genio. She just snapped two different pics at completely different angles. The before and after is shitty because she didn't really care, which is fine because she's a normie. This is the most forgivable imo because these people aren't doing it intentionally
Type 2: The Looksmaxxer B&A
Probably the most annoying one. Just take the before pic in the most horrible of conditions to make yourself look as subhuman as possible, then do the entire frauding 101 combo in the after. I chose this result because someone made a thread about it a while back, but you can also see it expressed for other types of surgery too.
Another good example would be the type of people who make videos of themselves after doing like 12 things where they are just squinting, going at random frauding angles 24/7 etc - the point is not to actually give an accurate representation of what the surgery changed, but instead to gain the admiration of random dudes on the internet
In my opinion these results in bimax patients are 50% of what has led bimax to being an overrated surgery.
Type 3: The Marketing B&A
Most common in filler clinics. Not all surgeons or clinics do it, but many do. The most reprehensible imo because these are actually businesses we are talking about. Notice how they will use more subtle tricks: for example here you can see how the one taking the photo is using lens distortion especially to their advantage.
A good non-filler example is Dr. Sailer, who just says fuck it and takes two completely different pictures. of a dude
How to actually take a good before and after:
It's simple. Choose a location in your home where your camera is roughly eye level. Put the camera there. Stand 2 meters away. Take the photo.
After you're done what you wanna do, just put the camera in the same spot and do it again, trying to replicate the same posture and expression. It doesn't even have to be perfect. By doing just that you are already being more accurate than like 90% of before and afters posted on here, reddit etc.
"But Koops, that sounds autistic. This thread is autistic."
Yeah and this fucking forum is autistic bro. It is also one of the few places on the internet where there is a notable focus on male cosmetic surgery. I think that the information we can provide by actually posting genuine before and afters is worth the 3-5 minutes of trouble it takes to snap an accurate before and after picture. The information you actually provide by taking a good before and after is very valuable, especially when there are so many procedures where we have close to jack shit in terms of results to browse through
Because I see now that it is true and the discussion of plastic surgery is more messy and amended than I had previously thought.
