BIMAX 3 WEEKS POST OP

[2marc1]

Did it affect your under eyes at all ? And how high was the cut

looks normal lefort, no high cut or shit

 

[bosnian]

Mirin, good shit

 

[20/04/2008]

3 weeks Post OP

I said I would get bimax and post no matter how good/shit the result was, so here it is.

Tried to keep angle, lighting consistent as I can.

View attachment 3639282

Movements were lefort 1 5mm, bsso 10mm (8 or 9 on one side, I had asymmetrical lower jaw movements), and a 4mm genio.

I had a bit of CCW.

SNA: 76 -> 85.5
SNB: 72 -> 83

I'm still omega swollen, the side doesn't do justice for how my chipmunky my cheeks look from the front.

There's a lot of shit I want to talk about and the limits of this surgery.

It would take a ton of time to write a comprehensive guide, so I want to see if there's people that want to read it. If everyone would rather read threads on BBC smv to whores from Birmingham on offtopic, I'm not going to bother.

Noteworthy things:

There were as much vertical changes as horizontal, my lower third height looks more proportional.

In certain lighting, I have hollows as the surgery(esp. the bsso) stretched my skin. It almost looks like I'm cheeksucking when I'm not.

The pain I would describe as a more "bludgeoning" type of pain on the sides of my jaw. There's lots of pressure, which is supposedly muscular, so Advil has helped. It's not the post wisdom tooth removal pain where it's sharp and stingy.

I highly recommend getting your wisdom teeth out on a separate day prior to surgery, because dealing with both would be fucking awful.

Morphs are fucking useless, because soft tissue will not contour perfectly like you'd hope. For an example, my chin doesn't have that nice "s" shape.

Mentally it's fucking rough as you are constantly alternating between it looks good to it looks like shit. I suggest finding something to keep your brain occupied that is not the mirror or your phone camera.

The bimax was more or less what's expected from a bimax, but I can't subdue that shitty voice in the back of my head(that's getting louder and louder) whispering, "You spent 4 years of your life rotting away for this?"

Here's the fucking truth guys: I did not have that epiphany as I'd hoped. There's no rays of light or angel hymns. It's just "oh I guess that's that."

I'm fucking behind on school doing a piece of shit computering science degree, and by the time I'll get my first real job, I'll be in my late 20s. No bimax for missing life goals.

"He still has no degree, no job, lives with his parents, has zero college social experience but his jaws look normal, so he's perfect Becky."

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Would you get another bimax after this one cause if you youll definetely be a mogger

Also are you a nepo baby or smth

 

[BM7]

You look good, man. You don't need any more bimax — that's just nonsense. A nose job will elevate your look even more.

 

[normie_joe]

You look good, man. You don't need any more bimax — that's just nonsense. A nose job will elevate your look even more.
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You mean this in good faith bro, I know that, but that type of nose is what I wanted to avoid from bimax.

Did you know that if you get an aggressive lefort, it does indeed upturn your nose like that?

How that will look like from the front is like this

I assume you meant to morph this type of nose below yeah?

It's less bulbous looking than mine, but my nose is expected from my ethnicity.

Rhino is a slippery slope for men, because if the surgeon isn't careful, you will get a very feminine looking nose that will ruin your face.

If you do intend to get a rhino for your own face, I highly suggest doing extensive research.

Appreciate the idea nonetheless.

 

[idkwhattoputhere]

3 weeks Post OP

I said I would get bimax and post no matter how good/shit the result was, so here it is.

Tried to keep angle, lighting consistent as I can.

View attachment 3639282

Movements were lefort 1 5mm, bsso 10mm (8 or 9 on one side, I had asymmetrical lower jaw movements), and a 4mm genio.

I had a bit of CCW.

SNA: 76 -> 85.5
SNB: 72 -> 83

I'm still omega swollen, the side doesn't do justice for how my chipmunky my cheeks look from the front.

There's a lot of shit I want to talk about and the limits of this surgery.

It would take a ton of time to write a comprehensive guide, so I want to see if there's people that want to read it. If everyone would rather read threads on BBC smv to whores from Birmingham on offtopic, I'm not going to bother.

Noteworthy things:

There were as much vertical changes as horizontal, my lower third height looks more proportional.

In certain lighting, I have hollows as the surgery(esp. the bsso) stretched my skin. It almost looks like I'm cheeksucking when I'm not.

The pain I would describe as a more "bludgeoning" type of pain on the sides of my jaw. There's lots of pressure, which is supposedly muscular, so Advil has helped. It's not the post wisdom tooth removal pain where it's sharp and stingy.

I highly recommend getting your wisdom teeth out on a separate day prior to surgery, because dealing with both would be fucking awful.

Morphs are fucking useless, because soft tissue will not contour perfectly like you'd hope. For an example, my chin doesn't have that nice "s" shape.

Mentally it's fucking rough as you are constantly alternating between it looks good to it looks like shit. I suggest finding something to keep your brain occupied that is not the mirror or your phone camera.

The bimax was more or less what's expected from a bimax, but I can't subdue that shitty voice in the back of my head(that's getting louder and louder) whispering, "You spent 4 years of your life rotting away for this?"

Here's the fucking truth guys: I did not have that epiphany as I'd hoped. There's no rays of light or angel hymns. It's just "oh I guess that's that."

I'm fucking behind on school doing a piece of shit computering science degree, and by the time I'll get my first real job, I'll be in my late 20s. No bimax for missing life goals.

"He still has no degree, no job, lives with his parents, has zero college social experience but his jaws look normal, so he's perfect Becky."

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mirin results but you should’ve done like 8mm lefort. still life changing improvement idk how people are saying bad results when your jaw looks completely new

 

[normie_joe]

mirin results but you should’ve done like 8mm lefort. still life changing improvement idk how people are saying bad results when your jaw looks completely new

Yeah I should've asked for an 8mm lefort.

This is what an ideal result looks like

Shame I didn't get more lefort advancement

There goes my dreams of playing Caesar in the remake

 

[normie_joe]

Would you get another bimax after this one cause if you youll definetely be a mogger

Also are you a nepo baby or smth

A bimax sequel?

Yes, once the technology has improved, I will indeed be in line for a lefort 4 where they take Chris Carmack's skull and screw it to my neck.

 

[normie_joe]

shouldve saved up for lefort 2 instead

Looks like you are going to have to do what I couldn't bro.

When you get that lefort 2, please post it.

Make sure you have someone as a backup to post it in case you end up in the morgue.

 

[normie_joe]

Did it affect your under eyes at all ? And how high was the cut

Undereyes do look more hollow relative to the rest of my face, but it's lighting dependent.

The high cut lefort nonsense was debunked by Gunson in JawHacks' channel. He essentially said it was all bullshit. The cut will never go high enough to reach the zygoma. If you want more prominent forward(mine are big but lateral) cheekbones, then implants are the answer.

 

[2marc1]

Looks like you are going to have to do what I couldn't bro.

When you get that lefort 2, please post it.

Make sure you have someone as a backup to post it in case you end up in the morgue.

WILL DO SIR

 

[BM7]

You mean this in good faith bro, I know that, but that type of nose is what I wanted to avoid from bimax.

Did you know that if you get an aggressive lefort, it does indeed upturn your nose like that?

How that will look like from the front is like this

I assume you meant to morph this type of nose below yeah?

It's less bulbous looking than mine, but my nose is expected from my ethnicity.

Rhino is a slippery slope for men, because if the surgeon isn't careful, you will get a very feminine looking nose that will ruin your face.

If you do intend to get a rhino for your own face, I highly suggest doing extensive research.

Appreciate the idea nonetheless.

what a didi will not make you look like a pig kek relax dude

 

[BM7]

Also Iam dentist, I know what a bimax do kek.

 

[normie_joe]

View attachment 3642112 what a didi will not make you look like a pig kek relax dude

Just because feature x suits someone else, doesn't mean that same feature will suit someone else.

Keep that in mind.

That type of upturned nose will look like shit on me, because my upper lip isn't as concave or pouts like his does, so the nasolabial angle will be obtuse.

 

[BM7]

So the problem -> your lips

 

[20/04/2008]

A bimax sequel?

Yes, once the technology has improved, I will indeed be in line for a lefort 4 where they take Chris Carmack's skull and screw it to my neck.

Their are people who have done it

 

[normie_joe]

Their are people who have done it

Yes those people are the ones who get 8mm leforts because a .org expert told them to do so, end up looking like this

and get another bimax to push their upper jaw back.

 

[normie_joe]

So the problem -> your lips

Yes, my lips and his don't pout forward

This is the ideal nose.

The difference between my nose and his is essentially how bulbous it is, which again is common in my ethnicity.

 

[BM7]

You get old the nose go down

 

[throwaway5028]

Holy shit

 

[20/04/2008]

Yes those people are the ones who get 8mm leforts because a .org expert told them to do so, end up looking like this

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and get another bimax to push their upper jaw back.

Yeah but im not gonna pay that much for 5 mm
Might aswell get the 6-7 mm

 

[normie_joe]

Yeah but im not gonna pay that much for 5 mm
Might aswell get the 6-7 mm

Do you look like this currently?

Do you have a severe underbite?

Do you know what SNA and SNB angles are? My SNA currently is 85.5.

Look up where an SNA value of 85.5 lands.

 

[20/04/2008]

Do you look like this currently?

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Do you have a severe underbite?

Do you know what SNA and SNB angles are? My SNA currently is 85.5.

Look up where an SNA value of 85.5 lands.

Wtf no

Im not very educated in the subject honestly
I already have good forward growth i just wanna take it to the next level

I would try fillers after my 20s and i finished growing (im currently on Roids and peptides so it can help achive my goals) if im not Cl by then then i would consider surgeries

 

[normie_joe]

Wtf no

Im not very educated in the subject honestly
I already have good forward growth i just wanna take it to the next level

> "Not educated in the subject"
> Recommends aggressive lefort 1 movements that will butcher faces

State of this forum.

@lurking truecel you can't make this shit up bro.

 

[20/04/2008]

> "Not educated in the subject"
> Recommends aggressive lefort 1 movements that will butcher faces

State of this forum.

@lurking truecel you can't make this shit up bro.

Atleast i admited it you should probably give me advice instead of making fun of me

 

[goyimslayer]

Fuckin mirin bro

 

[cheekbonesforlife]

Honestly that’s a really good result after seeing fucked up bimax results. Ignore the people saying you needed more lefort advancement

 

[Ryder]

I'm telling him this because the surgeon did a horrible job not because I'm making fun of him and yes a projected maxilla would be more important than a slightly misaligned bite

You don't know wtf you talking about, you are just a jealous faggot yapping I can legit smell the shit in ur 14yo pants while raging, again you don't know shit about Aesthetics and surgery, his maxilla is alright, now go back to TikTok puberty is still hitting for u

 

[Ryder]

Biggest advice would be to treat it as a compliment to your life, don't hold up your life specifically for it.

Once whatever surgery you wanted is done, you are left with bleak realizations.

The ones who will benefit and appreciate their results the most would be those who have success in other areas.

I was like "oh next would be infras" but fuck infras, next would be getting the rest of my life together.

I was saying this from day 1, all of this shit is nothing but high neurotic mental illness, glad you are awaken bro.

 

[Ryder]

nice improvment and thanks for sharing your thoughts. obviously you went from bad pheno + deformed skull to bad pheno + deformed skull with normal looking lower third. Its foolish to anticipate chad life given the type of changes achievable with lf1 only. Also I can relate to your being behind on life shit, I'm in the same spot, although maybe even worse since I haven't gotten any surgery yet and wont until I'm around 27 . Im doing other stuff to improve looks while in study mode tho, and enjoying as many experiences as a normie such as myself can.

Of course the TikTok faggot with alien tier forward fetish, you aren't real bro just give up.

 

[mvp2v1]

Of course the TikTok faggot with alien tier forward fetish, you aren't real bro just give up.

2024cel + no idea what ur on about lmao keep coping tho

 

[klamus]

3 weeks Post OP

I said I would get bimax and post no matter how good/shit the result was, so here it is.

Tried to keep angle, lighting consistent as I can.

View attachment 3639282

Movements were lefort 1 5mm, bsso 10mm (8 or 9 on one side, I had asymmetrical lower jaw movements), and a 4mm genio.

I had a bit of CCW.

SNA: 76 -> 85.5
SNB: 72 -> 83

I'm still omega swollen, the side doesn't do justice for how my chipmunky my cheeks look from the front.

There's a lot of shit I want to talk about and the limits of this surgery.

It would take a ton of time to write a comprehensive guide, so I want to see if there's people that want to read it. If everyone would rather read threads on BBC smv to whores from Birmingham on offtopic, I'm not going to bother.

Noteworthy things:

There were as much vertical changes as horizontal, my lower third height looks more proportional.

In certain lighting, I have hollows as the surgery(esp. the bsso) stretched my skin. It almost looks like I'm cheeksucking when I'm not.

The pain I would describe as a more "bludgeoning" type of pain on the sides of my jaw. There's lots of pressure, which is supposedly muscular, so Advil has helped. It's not the post wisdom tooth removal pain where it's sharp and stingy.

I highly recommend getting your wisdom teeth out on a separate day prior to surgery, because dealing with both would be fucking awful.

Morphs are fucking useless, because soft tissue will not contour perfectly like you'd hope. For an example, my chin doesn't have that nice "s" shape.

Mentally it's fucking rough as you are constantly alternating between it looks good to it looks like shit. I suggest finding something to keep your brain occupied that is not the mirror or your phone camera.

The bimax was more or less what's expected from a bimax, but I can't subdue that shitty voice in the back of my head(that's getting louder and louder) whispering, "You spent 4 years of your life rotting away for this?"

Here's the fucking truth guys: I did not have that epiphany as I'd hoped. There's no rays of light or angel hymns. It's just "oh I guess that's that."

I'm fucking behind on school doing a piece of shit computering science degree, and by the time I'll get my first real job, I'll be in my late 20s. No bimax for missing life goals.

"He still has no degree, no job, lives with his parents, has zero college social experience but his jaws look normal, so he's perfect Becky."

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Bro thats fantastic results. Better than mine

 

[normie_joe]

Bro thats fantastic results. Better than mine

Did you make a thread somewhere? How did yours go?

 

[Azooe]

3 weeks Post OP

I said I would get bimax and post no matter how good/shit the result was, so here it is.

Tried to keep angle, lighting consistent as I can.

View attachment 3639282

Movements were lefort 1 5mm, bsso 10mm (8 or 9 on one side, I had asymmetrical lower jaw movements), and a 4mm genio.

I had a bit of CCW.

SNA: 76 -> 85.5
SNB: 72 -> 83

I'm still omega swollen, the side doesn't do justice for how my chipmunky my cheeks look from the front.

There's a lot of shit I want to talk about and the limits of this surgery.

It would take a ton of time to write a comprehensive guide, so I want to see if there's people that want to read it. If everyone would rather read threads on BBC smv to whores from Birmingham on offtopic, I'm not going to bother.

Noteworthy things:

There were as much vertical changes as horizontal, my lower third height looks more proportional.

In certain lighting, I have hollows as the surgery(esp. the bsso) stretched my skin. It almost looks like I'm cheeksucking when I'm not.

The pain I would describe as a more "bludgeoning" type of pain on the sides of my jaw. There's lots of pressure, which is supposedly muscular, so Advil has helped. It's not the post wisdom tooth removal pain where it's sharp and stingy.

I highly recommend getting your wisdom teeth out on a separate day prior to surgery, because dealing with both would be fucking awful.

Morphs are fucking useless, because soft tissue will not contour perfectly like you'd hope. For an example, my chin doesn't have that nice "s" shape.

Mentally it's fucking rough as you are constantly alternating between it looks good to it looks like shit. I suggest finding something to keep your brain occupied that is not the mirror or your phone camera.

The bimax was more or less what's expected from a bimax, but I can't subdue that shitty voice in the back of my head(that's getting louder and louder) whispering, "You spent 4 years of your life rotting away for this?"

Here's the fucking truth guys: I did not have that epiphany as I'd hoped. There's no rays of light or angel hymns. It's just "oh I guess that's that."

I'm fucking behind on school doing a piece of shit computering science degree, and by the time I'll get my first real job, I'll be in my late 20s. No bimax for missing life goals.

"He still has no degree, no job, lives with his parents, has zero college social experience but his jaws look normal, so he's perfect Becky."

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you became so funny im laughing so hard right now

 

[klamus]

Did you make a thread somewhere? How did yours go?

I dont remember if I made a thread about it. My surgery was 8 years ago. I improved More but your end result is better imo

 

[normie_joe]

I dont remember if I made a thread about it. My surgery was 8 years ago. I improved More but your end result is better imo

Oh damn 8 years ago, what was your situation? Class 2 or class 3?

 

[Ryder]

2024cel + no idea what ur on about lmao keep coping tho

I can't confirm or deny that, but again u are completely worthless retard I know most of ur shitty articles , actual autistic with zero self awareness lol

 

[ltn_looksminner]

Hey man congrats you ascended hard you did it , i’d like to ask u though , i’m having an appointment with a maxillo surgeon the next week what important questions do i ask him ? And what important stuff do i need to know about the operation

 

[ltn_looksminner]

Can u please reply in dms if thats possibe too

 

[ScramFranklin]

This is a fantastic result. You went from below average to above average.

Bimax can be amazing if you get the right movements like you and I did

 

[ThatInfamousDude]

3 weeks Post OP

I said I would get bimax and post no matter how good/shit the result was, so here it is.

Tried to keep angle, lighting consistent as I can.

View attachment 3639282

Movements were lefort 1 5mm, bsso 10mm (8 or 9 on one side, I had asymmetrical lower jaw movements), and a 4mm genio.

I had a bit of CCW.

SNA: 76 -> 85.5
SNB: 72 -> 83

I'm still omega swollen, the side doesn't do justice for how my chipmunky my cheeks look from the front.

There's a lot of shit I want to talk about and the limits of this surgery.

It would take a ton of time to write a comprehensive guide, so I want to see if there's people that want to read it. If everyone would rather read threads on BBC smv to whores from Birmingham on offtopic, I'm not going to bother.

Noteworthy things:

There were as much vertical changes as horizontal, my lower third height looks more proportional.

In certain lighting, I have hollows as the surgery(esp. the bsso) stretched my skin. It almost looks like I'm cheeksucking when I'm not.

The pain I would describe as a more "bludgeoning" type of pain on the sides of my jaw. There's lots of pressure, which is supposedly muscular, so Advil has helped. It's not the post wisdom tooth removal pain where it's sharp and stingy.

I highly recommend getting your wisdom teeth out on a separate day prior to surgery, because dealing with both would be fucking awful.

Morphs are fucking useless, because soft tissue will not contour perfectly like you'd hope. For an example, my chin doesn't have that nice "s" shape.

Mentally it's fucking rough as you are constantly alternating between it looks good to it looks like shit. I suggest finding something to keep your brain occupied that is not the mirror or your phone camera.

The bimax was more or less what's expected from a bimax, but I can't subdue that shitty voice in the back of my head(that's getting louder and louder) whispering, "You spent 4 years of your life rotting away for this?"

Here's the fucking truth guys: I did not have that epiphany as I'd hoped. There's no rays of light or angel hymns. It's just "oh I guess that's that."

I'm fucking behind on school doing a piece of shit computering science degree, and by the time I'll get my first real job, I'll be in my late 20s. No bimax for missing life goals.

"He still has no degree, no job, lives with his parents, has zero college social experience but his jaws look normal, so he's perfect Becky."

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Audibly gasped, side profile genuinely looks insane. But yeah, that's life lol. Focusing on one thing, and achieving it always causes emptiness. Same with no-lifer entrepreneurs who sell their startups and become multi millionaires lol. That's why you shouldn't keep all your eggs in one basket.

 

[klamus]

Oh damn 8 years ago, what was your situation? Class 2 or class 3?

Cant Even remember. I had an open bite that was 11mm before braces and down to 6mm IIRC before bimax.

 

[normie_joe]

Hey man congrats you ascended hard you did it , i’d like to ask u though , i’m having an appointment with a maxillo surgeon the next week what important questions do i ask him ? And what important stuff do i need to know about the operation

If you want to gauge the skill of a surgeon, you can ask them this question: "Are you comfortable doing a counter clockwise rotation with a posterior downgraft?"

If they mention something around the lines of "it's not stable", then you know that surgeon has a limited skill.

I mean mine wasn't a big fan of that either(he did a slight CCW), but some cases will require aggressive uses of that specific movement. I don't know if yours does, but a CCW with a posterior downgraft is what separates the best of the best.

Also the orthodontist matters a lot here. If they can't make a big overjet, the surgeon can't move your jaw, so the prep work lies in the ortho's hands.

Don't let the surgeon gaslight you into thinking you don't need something. They could be correct, but my first surgeon lied to me and said I only needed a 5mm bsso, which would've done nothing. I had double that with the surgeon who operated on me.

Scan through results on r/jawsurgery, see cases that look similar to yours, then read what movements they had to get a ballpark. If the surgeon suggests numbers and movements that are similar, then you are likely heading in the correct path.

 

[ltn_looksminner]

If you want to gauge the skill of a surgeon, you can ask them this question: "Are you comfortable doing a counter clockwise rotation with a posterior downgraft?"

If they mention something around the lines of "it's not stable", then you know that surgeon has a limited skill.

I mean mine wasn't a big fan of that either(he did a slight CCW), but some cases will require aggressive uses of that specific movement. I don't know if yours does, but a CCW with a posterior downgraft is what separates the best of the best.

Also the orthodontist matters a lot here. If they can't make a big overjet, the surgeon can't move your jaw, so the prep work lies in the ortho's hands.

Don't let the surgeon gaslight you into thinking you don't need something. They could be correct, but my first surgeon lied to me and said I only needed a 5mm bsso, which would've done nothing. I had double that with the surgeon who operated on me.

Scan through results on r/jawsurgery, see cases that look similar to yours, then read what movements they had to get a ballpark. If the surgeon suggests numbers and movements that are similar, then you are likely heading in the correct path.

Thank you bro that helps a lot

 

[iblamemygenes]

Very insightful and a cautionary tale to many users on here.

There are very few, if any, silver bullets in life.

Can you check my thread

 

[Polish Chincel]

I highly suggest for those reading this to NOT follow this "advice."

Lefort 1 and all upper jaw movements should be kept to an absolute minimum. It's why Ramieri doesn't go past 4mm.

You will butcher your face if you get a 10mm lefort. You will look like this

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This especially applies for people with a less forward nasal bridge and upturned nose

View attachment 3639552

If you look like this I would avoid lefort altogether.

It will ruin your face, listen to me on this.

then what do to if my side look like in pic 2 bsso?

 

[CookieGuy]

3 weeks Post OP

I said I would get bimax and post no matter how good/shit the result was, so here it is.

Tried to keep angle, lighting consistent as I can.

View attachment 3639282

Movements were lefort 1 5mm, bsso 10mm (8 or 9 on one side, I had asymmetrical lower jaw movements), and a 4mm genio.

I had a bit of CCW.

SNA: 76 -> 85.5
SNB: 72 -> 83

I'm still omega swollen, the side doesn't do justice for how my chipmunky my cheeks look from the front.

There's a lot of shit I want to talk about and the limits of this surgery.

It would take a ton of time to write a comprehensive guide, so I want to see if there's people that want to read it. If everyone would rather read threads on BBC smv to whores from Birmingham on offtopic, I'm not going to bother.

Noteworthy things:

There were as much vertical changes as horizontal, my lower third height looks more proportional.

In certain lighting, I have hollows as the surgery(esp. the bsso) stretched my skin. It almost looks like I'm cheeksucking when I'm not.

The pain I would describe as a more "bludgeoning" type of pain on the sides of my jaw. There's lots of pressure, which is supposedly muscular, so Advil has helped. It's not the post wisdom tooth removal pain where it's sharp and stingy.

I highly recommend getting your wisdom teeth out on a separate day prior to surgery, because dealing with both would be fucking awful.

Morphs are fucking useless, because soft tissue will not contour perfectly like you'd hope. For an example, my chin doesn't have that nice "s" shape.

Mentally it's fucking rough as you are constantly alternating between it looks good to it looks like shit. I suggest finding something to keep your brain occupied that is not the mirror or your phone camera.

The bimax was more or less what's expected from a bimax, but I can't subdue that shitty voice in the back of my head(that's getting louder and louder) whispering, "You spent 4 years of your life rotting away for this?"

Here's the fucking truth guys: I did not have that epiphany as I'd hoped. There's no rays of light or angel hymns. It's just "oh I guess that's that."

I'm fucking behind on school doing a piece of shit computering science degree, and by the time I'll get my first real job, I'll be in my late 20s. No bimax for missing life goals.

"He still has no degree, no job, lives with his parents, has zero college social experience but his jaws look normal, so he's perfect Becky."

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How did it take 4 years??????