[BIMAX ASCENSION] What do you guys think of this case?

[Eduardo DOV]

 

[SixCRY]

bad results , she need more ccw so more bsso

I saw this nigga instagram he's a shitty surgeon

 

[SixCRY]

6mm bsso when she can get 12mm, her airway still trash

 

[Lawton88]

Improvement but would be nice to have the same head position and makeup in the before photos.

 

[Eduardo DOV]

6mm bsso when she can get 12mm, her airway still trash

12mm? then cucks her nose and upper lip and she ends up looking like a baboon

about the air passage, how can you be sure it's "trash"? If you saw mine you'd probably think it's bad, meanwhile I can run for a long time just pulling air through my nose, swimming through my nose, no problem sleeping etc.

 

[SixCRY]

12mm? then cucks her nose and upper lip and she ends up looking like a baboon

about the air passage, how can you be sure it's "trash"? If you saw mine you'd probably think it's bad, meanwhile I can run for a long time just pulling air through my nose, swimming through my nose, no problem sleeping etc.

profil still recessed, hyoid low= trash airway

She could get more CCW

She got:
3mm LF1, 6mm bsso and 6wegree CCW

She could get 12 CCW and bet at 10mm BSSO with still 3mmLF1

 

[SixCRY]

my profil is more protrusive than her start and still i'm getting 12mm bsso

 

[Reckless Turtle]

He failed to meet his initial prediction. It's still an improvement though.

 

[Eduardo DOV]

profil still recessed, hyoid low= trash airway

She could get more CCW

She got:
3mm LF1, 6mm bsso and 6wegree CCW

She could get 12 CCW and bet at 10mm BSSO with still 3mmLF1

interesting this hyoid part

why do you think he hasn't rotated more?
Wouldn't that decrease gum exposure?

I think i have a high hyoid, i was told this here once, despite the mandible being inclined a little

 

[Eduardo DOV]

my profil is more protrusive than her start and still i'm getting 12mm bsso

who is the surgeon?

 

[SixCRY]

who is the surgeon?

french surgeon , local who worked with Arnett

 

[SixCRY]

interesting this hyoid part

why do you think he hasn't rotated more?
Wouldn't that decrease gum exposure?

I think i have a high hyoid, i was told this here once, despite the mandible being inclined a little

rotation is not achieved just by removing gummy smile, u can posterior downgraft the maxilla and still have same teeth show with CCW

 

[Eduardo DOV]

rotation is not achieved just by removing gummy smile, u can posterior downgraft the maxilla and still have same teeth show with CCW

idk what is posterior downgraft

normal/mewing

what do you think

my snb is 73.67
sna 79

 

[Eduardo DOV]

my main concern with bimax is getting a strange nose/upperlip
the great advantage would be the streching on the neck area
i dont really care about the giga forward face meme

 

[SixCRY]

idk what is posterior downgraft

normal/mewing

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what do you think

my snb is 73.67
sna 79

SNA norm is 82, SNB is like 78
Also the diff between your SNA and SNB show downward growth

Alfaro give SNA 87-88

You are recessed and need bimax

A dude god similar base as you here and he got 1cm bsso or 12mm i don't remember

Your hyoid is well positioned but clear recession can be seen

U need something like 6-7mm lf1 and 10 to 15mm bsso

the CCW will push your chin

 

[Eduardo DOV]

SNA norm is 82, SNB is like 78
Also the diff between your SNA and SNB show downward growth

Alfaro give SNA 87-88

You are recessed and need bimax

A dude god similar base as you here and he got 1cm bsso or 12mm i don't remember

Your hyoid is well positioned but clear recession can be seen

U need something like 6-7mm lf1 and 10 to 15mm bsso

the CCW will push your chin

medialcanthuscel?

 

[SixCRY]

medialcanthuscel?

yes

 

[subhuman incel]

Thank god im going to a blackpilled surgeon. Anything under 1cm bsso if you are severly recessed is

 

[Eduardo DOV]

yes

his nostrils got cucked with no possible rhino

I agree what you said is the right path to get that shredded mandible

but we know that this is not going to simulate what would have happened if my face had been naturally grown that way, lefort III projection and rotation and shit was the right right way to simulate that. Thats probably why nose can get cucked

my biggest fear going through a bimax is to get a great side and cuck my already good front, nose is already kind wide
if i depended on my side i would be fucked, my front saves me

that's why I'm going to cope with genio + jaw implants

Thank god im going to a blackpilled surgeon. Anything under 1cm bsso if you are severly recessed is

she looks much much better in my opinion

 

[SixCRY]

his nostrils got cucked with no possible rhino

I agree what you said is the right path to get that shredded mandible

but we know that this is not going to simulate what would have happened if my face had been naturally grown that way, lefort III projection and rotation and shit was the right right way to simulate that. Thats probably why nose can get cucked

my biggest fear going through a bimax is to get a great side and cuck my already good front, nose is already kind wide
if i depended on my side i would be fucked, my front saves me

that's why I'm going to cope with genio + jaw implants

she looks much much better in my opinion

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bro he got a video of his on instagram she look bad, don't take makeup frauded selfies

This surgeon is full of coping and bad results

And don't cope with genio and implants, u must already have shity airway

 

[SixCRY]

what's her IG acc btw i will check her profile

 

[subhuman incel]

bro he got a video of his on instagram she look bad, don't take makeup frauded selfies

This surgeon is full of coping and bad results

And don't cope with genio and implants, u must already have shity airway

how the fuck is this guy even proud of his results he puts on his insta. you literally see barely any difference. i kinda feel bad for the patients who go to a bluepilled surgeon like him. not only will they barely look any better, also their airway will still be narrow. such bluepilled surgeons should get arrested. show me the girl on insta pls, i want to see her recessed profile and have a laugh.

 

[Eduardo DOV]

bro he got a video of his on instagram she look bad, don't take makeup frauded selfies

This surgeon is full of coping and bad results

And don't cope with genio and implants, u must already have shity airway

hm
my airway is functional, I do everything anyone else does without a problem(even better, I do sports and used to swimm, i use my nose)
if someday I have a snoring problem or something like that , then I do it.

until there I prefer not to risk aesthetics for a supposed functional gain

I'll perform a sleep test before doing anything to see how my breathing is at night.

a user here said his breath did not change after orthognathic, he did it for aesthetics. He has some enemies on this forum that didn't like his result and kept making fun of him and using his pics as a meme. It seems he had a 6-7mm maxila advancement. you've probably seen him, he used tyrion lannister as avi.

its https://www.instagram.com/carolmeis/

 

[SixCRY]

how the fuck is this guy even proud of his results he puts on his insta. you literally see barely any difference. i kinda feel bad for the patients who go to a bluepilled surgeon like him. not only will they barely look any better, also their airway will still be narrow. such bluepilled surgeons should get arrested. show me the girl on insta pls, i want to see her recessed profile and have a laugh.

The surgeon is skilled but this mf is a worst than a bluepill nigga

He do LF3 and CCW but his movement are so conservative that it look like shit

Sleep Apnea patient need 1cm to 1.5cm bsso, dude is giving them 5mm and coping with genio

I check the insta girl and no she is not recessed but i think he frauded the b/a pics making her more recessed than she really was. I need to see the girl in motion BEFORE to really judge

But this surgeon is cope

 

[Eduardo DOV]

how the fuck is this guy even proud of his results he puts on his insta. you literally see barely any difference. i kinda feel bad for the patients who go to a bluepilled surgeon like him. not only will they barely look any better, also their airway will still be narrow. such bluepilled surgeons should get arrested. show me the girl on insta pls, i want to see her recessed profile and have a laugh.

well, on the video she said she cured her apnea problem after surgery

 

[SixCRY]

hm
my airway is functional, I do everything anyone else does without a problem(even better, I do sports and used to swimm, i use my nose)
if someday I have a snoring problem or something like that , then I do it.

until there I prefer not to risk aesthetics for a supposed functional gain

I'll perform a sleep test before doing anything to see how my breathing is at night.

a user here said his breath did not change after orthognathic, he did it for aesthetics. He has some enemies on this forum that didn't like his result and kept making fun of him and using his pics as a meme. It seems he had a 6-7mm maxila advancement. you've probably seen him, he used tyrion lannister as avi.

its https://www.instagram.com/carolmeis/

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i retire my word about her recessed side after surgery but now i need a before photo WITHOUT FRAUD

In the dude insta b/à it look very bad

 

[SixCRY]

There is big difference between all those pics , some must be head frauded

1st pic:
Both recessed

2nd pic:
The result is good

3rd pic:
In video she had double chin

4th pic:
Good side

Only one explanation: The before are frauded with bad tilt and light

 

[Eduardo DOV]

i retire my word about her recessed side after surgery but now i need a before photo WITHOUT FRAUD

In the dude insta b/à it look very bad

these are the only one we have

 

[subhuman incel]

well, on the video she said she cured her apnea problem after surgery

The thing is, its not only about the apnea number, its more about the airway size. I lost 10kg and my sleep apnea ahi went from 30 to 10 which is massive, but my airway is still fucking narrow, therefore i still feel tired and low energy during the day. Also a narrow airway doesnt only impair your function during the night,but also during the day. If you have a narrow airway, you will realized that when you do sport, you are easily out of breath and have no stamina.

 

[SixCRY]

these are the only one we have

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this

Her submental is not as bad as the pics the surgeon used to show b/a

 

[Eduardo DOV]

what characterizes being recessed? maybe she just has the hyoid naturally low or genetics to accumulate neck fat?

 

[SixCRY]

Look at the before you sent me vs the before the surgeon used

He coped with head tilt making her giga recessed when it was not the case

 

[Eduardo DOV]

The thing is, its not only about the apnea number, its more about the airway size. I lost 10kg and my sleep apnea ahi went from 30 to 10 which is massive, but my airway is still fucking narrow, therefore i still feel tired and low energy during the day. Also a narrow airway doesnt only impair your function during the night,but also during the day. If you have a narrow airway, you will realized that when you do sport, you are easily out of breath and have no stamina.

crazy, how long can a person like that run?

Look at the before you sent me vs the before the surgeon used

He coped with head tilt making her giga recessed when it was not the case

eh, they do it to impress the goyims
also women dont have that neck bone, so they seem to have more projection than they actually have

 

[subhuman incel]

Look at the before you sent me vs the before the surgeon used

He coped with head tilt making her giga recessed when it was not the case

I mean on the before and after pictures she has her mouth open in the before, and her mouth closed in the after. With mouth open you will always look more recessed, since mandible will point more downwards.

 

[Eduardo DOV]

I mean on the before and after pictures she has her mouth open in the before, and her mouth closed in the after. With mouth open you will always look more recessed, since mandible will point more downwards.

someone could argue that before she had lip incompetence(common in class II patients) and had her teeth together on both pics

 

[PURE ARYAN GENETICS]

garbage. way too little. she needs 3x this unironically

 

[Eduardo DOV]

garbage. way too little. she needs 3x this unironically

see the pics on this page

 

[Primordial]

she looks the same but with color, no wonder the first pic is in black and white

 

[Deleted member 7073]

bad result. any bimax below 1cm is borderline pointless. if you are recessed you need up to 2cm. if more you need DO to fix it.

 

[Deleted member 7073]

idk what is posterior downgraft

normal/mewing

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what do you think

my snb is 73.67
sna 79

if this is your picture brother you are very recessed and need bimax for sure, most likely you have a sleep issue. running isn't a good measurement of airways tbh. go to a top sleep lab to get extensively screened for uars and osa

 

[Eduardo DOV]

if this is your picture brother you are very recessed and need bimax for sure, most likely you have a sleep issue. running isn't a good measurement of airways tbh. go to a top sleep lab to get extensively screened for uars and osa

I'll do this test to see what I get before doing anything
I think I dont have problems because I don't feel tired during the day(maybe I do and dont know how is it like to dont feel tired? i dont think so though I'm kind of an euforic person) at all and I don't have insomnia or none of the symptoms related to uars

I think the air passage depends on the cross-sectional area of the throat channel, even if it is narrow, if the area is wide it compensates. I'm thin and I have a very wide face and hyioid is well positioned, if it wasn't, there would be that skin ramp, I think this is what saves me on
the functional part.

Anyway, I'm afraid that in the future I will accumulate fat in this area and it will tighten the throat ;/

 

[Eduardo DOV]

in theory this girl is worst than me, but lip/chin relative position looks better

 

[Deleted member 13710]

She does look a little better, but her "after" image is the kind of look that most people here would say still needs bimax. So maybe she didn't get as much advancement as she needed?