Bimax is a overrated and a overhyped surgery for most people

[lurking truecel]

Most people dont ascend much from it if you dont look deformed before. And if you are deformed you will look normal after at best.

Real lookmaxxing surgeries for jaw is implants or leforte 2/3. Bimax is good for function but for looks its just meh, it wont do shit for front either except again you are a deformed sfs face or long face.

Bimax is at the bottom of surgeries for an actual ascension for 99.999999% of people. Implants, rhino, genio, fat graft, bleph, cantho, deep plane face lift, hyiod glossing(hyiod raising surgery) is worth ten times then bimax for most people

Also considering the risks with bimax as one of the most recommended surgeons on this site has litteraly had 6+ botches this year alone shows how shitty of surgery bimax is if we talk about risk and reward for the none deformed

 

[lurking truecel]

And its also funny when people post about wanting bimax when they have like ten other clear failos but instead want to waste 30k and risk botch to look better from the side i swear most people become so inefficient in their look maxxing because they listen to aome authist on this site that says you need everything which wont be possible either way so you end up botched for no reason and become a hardmaxx addict that ruins his face for inefficient procedures.

 

[chadhamed]

Dnr grey

 

[lurking truecel]

Dnr grey

Good try nigger, i am just trying to save some souls. But i mean in some way i dont really care, but its sad whats going on behind the scene for people

 

[Toggle9877]

Hey bhai should I get fillers or sliding genioplasty for my recessed chin

 

[chadhamed]

Good try nigger, i am just trying to save some souls. But i mean in some way i dont really care, but its sad whats going on behind the scene for people

I get it your a good person

 

[lurking truecel]

Hey bhai should I get fillers or sliding genioplasty for my recessed chin

Depends on how it looks

 

[lurking truecel]

I get it your a good person

No i am trying to gaslight people into doing surgeries that wont ascend them as much as bimax

 

[Toggle9877]

Depends on how it looks

I have a slight recession in my chin

 

[lurking truecel]

I have a slight recession in my chin

Depends if you want a more square looking chin then i would do implant or filler. Projection only then genio

 

[SkeetNeet]

You recently had bimax, right? How do you feel about your results? How much do you feel you have improved? How bad was your starting point?

 

[throwaway5028]

I was bimaxpilled before but the more I researched into it the more I realized how time consuming it is and how little benefit it brings

 

[dranja]

I was bimaxpilled before but the more I researched into it the more I realized how time consuming it is and how little benefit it brings

u seem cool how old are u

 

[lurking truecel]

You recently had bimax, right? How do you feel about your results? How much do you feel you have improved? How bad was your starting point?

it improves side and zero from front, i did 5 mm maxilla with segmental and 12 mm bsso. And the only thing that actually noticeably change something was the infra implants and genio.

 

[lurking truecel]

I was bimaxpilled before but the more I researched into it the more I realized how time consuming it is and how little benefit it brings

Yea from the 11 people i know who done bimax 4 are botched, and all have some complications. Like the risk of bimax is crazy, and yes doing less makes the risk almost none exsistant but then you dont see any diffrence. But if you are recessed and need 20 mm+ or 5+ mm in upper you will have conplications in some way or the other. So its actually a lose lose surgery. Either you dont need or you will do it with the mind that the complications are worth the improvement

 

[throwaway5028]

u seem cool how old are u

Twenties

 

[SkeetNeet]

it improves side and zero from front, i did 5 mm maxilla with segmental and 12 mm bsso. And the only thing that actually noticeably change something was the infra implants and genio.

Thanks. My side is so bad that an improvement will be a lifesaver. I do need some help
with my but I’m hoping some impaction and advancement of the maxilla will be enough. Very interesting that you did a segmental! I’m going to PM you if you don’t mind.

 

[Acquiescence]

Thank you for genio-pilling me

 

[Acquiescence]

And its also funny when people post about wanting bimax when they have like ten other clear failos but instead want to waste 30k and risk botch to look better from the side i swear most people become so inefficient in their look maxxing because they listen to aome authist on this site that says you need everything which wont be possible either way so you end up botched for no reason and become a hardmaxx addict that ruins his face for inefficient procedures.

To be fair, at least in my case, I’ve been told so many times I need bimax in multiple ratings going back to 2022 (before I joined with this account in 24). It’s hard to go against the crowd ngl

Now of course you could say I should’ve known better, but I and probably lots of others are not IQmaxxed, so it takes a lot of time to see the light

 

[Lefor3Laser]

Most people dont ascend much from it if you dont look deformed before. And if you are deformed you will look normal after at best.

Real lookmaxxing surgeries for jaw is implants or leforte 2/3. Bimax is good for function but for looks its just meh, it wont do shit for front either except again you are a deformed sfs face or long face.

Bimax is at the bottom of surgeries for an actual ascension for 99.999999% of people. Implants, rhino, genio, fat graft, bleph, cantho, deep plane face lift, hyiod glossing(hyiod raising surgery) is worth ten times then bimax for most people

Also considering the risks with bimax as one of the most recommended surgeons on this site has litteraly had 6+ botches this year alone shows how shitty of surgery bimax is if we talk about risk and reward for the none deformed

Always depends on the case, i always don't get it tho, it is based by ROI firstly, secondly it won't turn you into a chad automatically (surgery meant for normalization) and third and last, if the case isn't complex, a normal surgeon would do the job just as good as the known one's (you still have to chose a good one ofc), wich also saves money.

But i don't suggest bimax to anyone who's 1-4 mm's reccesed, worthless and a waste of time/money.

 

[Lefor3Laser]

To be fair, at least in my case, I’ve been told so many times I need bimax in multiple ratings going back to 2022 (before I joined with this account in 24). It’s hard to go against the crowd ngl

Now of course you could say I should’ve known better, but I and probably lots of others are not IQmaxxed, so it takes a lot of time to see the light

It's indeed that it takes alot of time and research to know that many of those surgeries on here arw way to overrated, just know wich one's are worth yout money and do them.

 

[kingofkings]

The truth is somewhere in the middle. I agree that bimax doesn't do much for frontal views in a lot of cases. But on the other hand slapping jaw angle implants on a recessed lower third often looks uncanny af. Bimax gives a solid foundation to work with.

The biggest thing with looks is and always will be harmony. You can improve features like the chin or cheekbone projection. But the magic harmony of how the overall blend of your features comes together is all luck. That's why you get so many people who do bimax, eye surgeries, infra implants etc yet they usually don't ascend much above MTN.

The final black pill to swallow is to accept no amount of surgery will significantly ascend the majority of people.

 

[lurking truecel]

The truth is somewhere in the middle. I agree that bimax doesn't do much for frontal views in a lot of cases. But on the other hand slapping jaw angle implants on a recessed lower third often looks uncanny af. Bimax gives a solid foundation to work with.

The biggest thing with looks is and always will be harmony. You can improve features like the chin or cheekbone projection. But the magic harmony of how the overall blend of your features comes together is all luck. That's why you get so many people who do bimax, eye surgeries, infra implants etc yet they usually don't ascend much above MTN.

The final black pill to swallow is to accept no amount of surgery will significantly ascend the majority of people.

Many people have recessed but wide jaws from the front like marlon, its just that jaw implants look uncanny because its hard to get natural shape. It doesnt mean it will look better just because you do bimax aswell. And harmony is just to fix failos, but some people have ratios that cant be fixed so they will never have harmony ever.

Also this forum only think in bone replacing surgeries when the soft tissue is more important. And thats often why people look crap, shit lips and just dog skin is common failos here that people just throw under the rug

 

[lurking truecel]

The truth is somewhere in the middle. I agree that bimax doesn't do much for frontal views in a lot of cases. But on the other hand slapping jaw angle implants on a recessed lower third often looks uncanny af. Bimax gives a solid foundation to work with.

The biggest thing with looks is and always will be harmony. You can improve features like the chin or cheekbone projection. But the magic harmony of how the overall blend of your features comes together is all luck. That's why you get so many people who do bimax, eye surgeries, infra implants etc yet they usually don't ascend much above MTN.

The final black pill to swallow is to accept no amount of surgery will significantly ascend the majority of people.

And also people here think of perfection to much, some ideal that doesnt even come with models. Many models have shits sides and look recessed, but they are good tier from the front because width and projection is not correlated. And getting stuck and paying for bimax and doing that which takes usually three years ,of braces and recovery and money. Vs actually doing surgeries thats cheaper and give return directly and like fat grafting, skin procedures and other soft tissue manipulation surgeries l with a slight modifaction to the bone thru some implant would get them to higher rating. But instead hustle foe years for nothing, only by being botched or age pill coming to you because it took so much time to ascend. Just because some retard authist said you can get wlaway with this recessed chin or maxilla or whatever

 

[LEFORT17]

Most people dont ascend much from it if you dont look deformed before. And if you are deformed you will look normal after at best.

Real lookmaxxing surgeries for jaw is implants or leforte 2/3. Bimax is good for function but for looks its just meh, it wont do shit for front either except again you are a deformed sfs face or long face.

Bimax is at the bottom of surgeries for an actual ascension for 99.999999% of people. Implants, rhino, genio, fat graft, bleph, cantho, deep plane face lift, hyiod glossing(hyiod raising surgery) is worth ten times then bimax for most people

Also considering the risks with bimax as one of the most recommended surgeons on this site has litteraly had 6+ botches this year alone shows how shitty of surgery bimax is if we talk about risk and reward for the none deformed

most of them wanting a bimax have heard that surgery on tiktok first and seen some results on the internet, thinking they will insta get chad after that surgery

 

[lurking truecel]

most of them wanting a bimax have heard that surgery on tiktok first and seen some results on the internet, thinking they will insta get chad after that surgery

Most people who do bimax for aesthetic dont come from lookmax.org, they cone from like jawhacks on yt or some mewing coper thinking this is the key to all Beauty, because having a better jaw is everything for a man.

 

[kingofkings]

And also people here think of perfection to much, some ideal that doesnt even come with models. Many models have shits sides and look recessed, but they are good tier from the front because width and projection is not correlated. And getting stuck and paying for bimax and doing that which takes usually three years ,of braces and recovery and money. Vs actually doing surgeries thats cheaper and give return directly and like fat grafting, skin procedures and other soft tissue manipulation surgeries l with a slight modifaction to the bone thru some implant would get them to higher rating. But instead hustle foe years for nothing, only by being botched or age pill coming to you because it took so much time to ascend. Just because some retard authist said you can get wlaway with this recessed chin or maxilla or whatever

Analogies with models don't work. Top models have such striking eye area and amazing harmony they can get away with a failo without being dragged down.

You can see a model who has bad skin but otherwise very handsome. And another model with a recessed chin but otherwise very handsome. And another model with an awkward nose but otherwise very handsome. And another model with a flat maxilla but otherwise very handsome.

But that doesn't suddenly mean you can say it's ok to have bad skin, flat maxilla, recessed chin, awkward nose all together and still be very handsome.

So yeah a model being recessed doesn't mean shit to me. Recession is something worth fixing in a bunch of cases. But equally sometimes not, it's complicated

 

[LEFORT17]

Most people who do bimax for aesthetic dont come from lookmax.org, they cone from like jawhacks on yt or some mewing coper thinking this is the key to all Beauty, because having a better jaw is everything for a man.

for some people bimax might be the key to fully ascend; others might be way too much focused on the jaw, while they dont see other flaws yeah

 

[lurking truecel]

for some people bimax might be the key to fully ascend; others might be way too much focused on the jaw, while they dont see other flaws yeah

Yea for people who are deformed who have functional issues aswell. Else its not

 

[lurking truecel]

Analogies with models don't work. Top models have such striking eye area and amazing harmony they can get away with a failo without being dragged down.

You can see a model who has bad skin but otherwise very handsome. And another model with a recessed chin but otherwise very handsome. And another model with an awkward nose but otherwise very handsome. And another model with a flat maxilla but otherwise very handsome.

But that doesn't suddenly mean you can say it's ok to have bad skin, flat maxilla, recessed chin, awkward nose all together and still be very handsome.

So yeah a model being recessed doesn't mean shit to me. Recession is something worth fixing in a bunch of cases. But equally sometimes not, it's complicated

Its worth fixing if you have functional issues and have a clear deformity.
And thats what i am saying fix the awkward skin, chin, and nose with laser, genio and rhino instead of doing bimax which has ten times the risk, time and money. But people on this site will do 2 years in braces, get bimax, being in recovery for a year looking swollen, having braces for 6 months after aswell. Paying 30 k for bimax and 5 k for braces instead of doing 5k rhino + 4 k genio which is recovery for 8 months. And then you have 25 k for other surgeries and havent wasted like 20-30% of your 20s doing invasive surgery

 

[kingofkings]

Its worth fixing if you have functional issues and have a clear deformity.
And thats what i am saying fix the awkward skin, chin, and nose with laser, genio and rhino instead of doing bimax which has ten times the risk, time and money. But people on this site will do 2 years in braces, get bimax, being in recovery for a year looking swollen, having braces for 6 months after aswell. Paying 30 k for bimax and 5 k for braces instead of doing 5k rhino + 4 k genio which is recovery for 8 months. And then you have 25 k for other surgeries and havent wasted like 20-30% of your 20s doing invasive surgery

I see your point but you're also exaggerating. Bimax isn't a year for recovery; long term it's just micro swelling that takes time to go. Surgery-first is also an option for a bunch of people which means skipping the time in braces beforehand. And there are risks, but that only gets magnified doing the biggest movements, most complications are minor.

 

[jaymog]

“bimax doesn’t change the front” .. at least in my experience this is completely and absolutely false.

My front and side went from subhuman to pretty amazing already and I’m not even close to 6 months post op yet.

I used to have a double chin fat neck from the front, you literally could NOT see any separation of my jaw and neck from the front. Now I have a defined and sharp face from the front and major separation between chin, jaw, and neck. My nose looks smaller from the front. My cheeks, as I got HA grafts on them at the same time, pop now too.

With Bimax it’s literally all about the surgeon. Most people look normal/avg after because thats the goal for most surgeons. If you asked any random insurance provider surgeon if he can advance a mandible 16mm with CCW and throw a 8mm genio on top he’d probably shit his pants on the spot. He’d say “you need 4mm to fit the bite”

Save up money and pick a good surgeon. Dont be a cheap retard and pick an insurance surgeon unless you want to be disappointed.

 

[lurking truecel]

I see your point but you're also exaggerating. Bimax isn't a year for recovery; long term it's just micro swelling that takes time to go. Surgery-first is also an option for a bunch of people which means skipping the time in braces beforehand. And there are risks, but that only gets magnified doing the biggest movements, most complications are minor.

doing surgery first will make risk higher, and show me one case of surgery first and bi retrusion were the result is actually good. The only good result from bimax is under, over or sfs cases

 

[lurking truecel]

“bimax doesn’t change the front” .. at least in my experience this is completely and absolutely false.

My front and side went from subhuman to pretty amazing already and I’m not even close to 6 months post op yet.

I used to have a double chin fat neck from the front, you literally could NOT see any separation of my jaw and neck from the front. Now I have a defined and sharp face from the front and major separation between chin, jaw, and neck. My nose looks smaller from the front. My cheeks, as I got HA grafts on them at the same time, pop now too.

With Bimax it’s literally all about the surgeon. Most people look normal/avg after because thats the goal for most surgeons. If you asked any random insurance provider surgeon if he can advance a mandible 16mm with CCW and throw a 8mm genio on top he’d probably shit his pants on the spot. He’d say “you need 4mm to fit the bite”

Save up money and pick a good surgeon. Dont be a cheap retard and pick an insurance surgeon unless you want to be disappointed.

yea most people on this site doesnt have a none existent jaw to begin with, if you are clearly recessed then ofc bimax is what you need.

 

[jaymog]

doing surgery first will make risk higher

Historically and maybe even still this is for sure accurate. I asked Gunson just out of curiosity his thoughts on surgery first. He said it’s rare that he ever does it, but he sometimes does (I spoke to a patient I met in office who was surgery first and no ortho post op), he didn’t go into detail but said it’s very tooth position specific and not controlling for the bite pre op enough to result in a post op occlusion that fits has a high risk of TMJ resorption as the TMJ is brutally swollen and sensitive post op, in most cases.

My friend did surgery first with Alfi, 15mm pogonion, he seems to be doing fine. Alfi made him do Invisalign after. Interesting approach.

Food for thought!

 

[jaymog]

yea most people on this site doesnt have a none existent jaw to begin with, if you are clearly recessed then ofc bimax is what you need.

Agree with you, most people here who ask “do I need trimax” just need a genio or implant (if they want specific shape).

 

[lurking truecel]

Historically and maybe even still this is for sure accurate. I asked Gunson just out of curiosity his thoughts on surgery first. He said it’s rare that he ever does it, but he sometimes does (I spoke to a patient I met in office who was surgery first and no ortho post op), he didn’t go into detail but said it’s very tooth position specific and not controlling for the bite pre op enough to result in a post op occlusion that fits has a high risk of TMJ resorption as the TMJ is brutally swollen and sensitive post op, in most cases.

My friend did surgery first with Alfi, 15mm pogonion, he seems to be doing fine. Alfi made him do Invisalign after. Interesting approach.

Food for thought!

Why does the tmj resorb post op because of bad occlusion tho ?

 

[jaymog]

Why does the tmj resorb post op because of bad occlusion tho ?

I have no real clue. My guess based on what he said is that it’s hypersensitive post op compared to normal. Inflammation, swelling, these are all negative things for a joint in general that cause turnover. If these are ultra magnified from a 6 hour surgery and then your bite is cooked and puts massive forces on the TMJ I could see that causing an expedited degradation problem.

I mean, his post op instructions have like 30 things you cannot do for 6-12 months that involve the Tmj. No snorkeling for example, no instruments involving your mouth, nothing that pulls your lower jaw forward for a long period of time, per the instructions, as it can “cause resorption of the TMJ”

 

[lurking truecel]

I have no real clue. My guess based on what he said is that it’s hypersensitive post op compared to normal. Inflammation, swelling, these are all negative things for a joint in general that cause turnover. If these are ultra magnified from a 6 hour surgery and then your bite is cooked and puts massive forces on the TMJ I could see that causing an expedited degradation problem.

I mean, his post op instructions have like 30 things you cannot do for 6-12 months that involve the Tmj. No snorkeling for example, no instruments involving your mouth, nothing that pulls your lower jaw forward for a long period of time, per the instructions, as it can “cause resorption of the TMJ”

Damn 6-12 months seems crazy

 

[ltn_looksminner]

exactly what i thought , super high iq

 

[Foreverbrad]

If your jaws are recessed you need bimax.

If your chin is recessed you need genio.

If your cheekbones are recessed you need infras.

All just tools for specific jobs. Unfortunately jaw is a particularly nasty job that requires a very unpleasant tool. I wouldn’t go so far as to say bimax is useless. Just perhaps that most people aren’t recessed enough to justify the recommendation. Unfortunately for me, I’m not most people.

Ultimately if you pick your surgeries based on what .org tells you to do you’re a retard anyway. You should be able to justify every single procedure and every millimetre of movement.

 

[gymcel64]

Tack för hjälpen din fattiga sami.
Jag gör då fillers.

 

[lurking truecel]

Tack för hjälpen din fattiga sami.
Jag gör då fillers.

SAmi från lappträsk

 

[wristcel]

Most people dont ascend much from it if you dont look deformed before. And if you are deformed you will look normal after at best.

Real lookmaxxing surgeries for jaw is implants or leforte 2/3. Bimax is good for function but for looks its just meh, it wont do shit for front either except again you are a deformed sfs face or long face.

Bimax is at the bottom of surgeries for an actual ascension for 99.999999% of people. Implants, rhino, genio, fat graft, bleph, cantho, deep plane face lift, hyiod glossing(hyiod raising surgery) is worth ten times then bimax for most people

Also considering the risks with bimax as one of the most recommended surgeons on this site has litteraly had 6+ botches this year alone shows how shitty of surgery bimax is if we talk about risk and reward for the none deformed

kinda hope you're right because i've been contacting surgeons and stuff today to potentially get the ball rolling so that I can have jaw surgery, but I'll need it done abroad (UK costs a fortune) and will need to find an ortho here who is willing to work with the surgeon, plus ideally I want 'surgery first' method with invisalign after, and it's all SUCH a ball ache to even think about navigating, plus the expense! lol

Maybe I should go back to the idea of getting a rhino and invisalign (although deep down 'im sure jaw surgery is what I need)