Bimax is such an unnatural surgery

[Deleted member 3463]

Bimax is an unnatural surgery.
Especially the Lefort 1 surgery will absolutely destroy your facial harmony and will make you deformed.
The midface is a continuum and it should not be disrupted.
In every single case of bimax that I see no one has really ascended on the front profile which is the most important(apart from a very few extremely recessed birdcels for medical reasons).

So, when they cut the bone at the height of a Lefort 1 line what happens to the remaining bones above the osteotomy line?
Well... they stay behind. In every single one of the cases it will look uncanny and weird.
The only solution for this issue is obviously custom midface implants but they will need to be the exact same amount of projection ALL ACCROSS the length and height of the upper maxilla and not only the apex of the zygoma as I often see here. Lefort 1 surgery is mainly a 2D movement and not a 3D which translates very differently in 3D projection.

Lefort 1 is an idiotic surgery for aesthetic reasons by all means.

It will be much better to just get a sliding genio and a custom infraorbital malar implant without having bimax.

 

[StraightHeadJames]

poorcel cope

 

[Deleted member 3463]

poorcel cope

Nope. Not a poorcel. You didn't even read what I wrote G

 

[StraightHeadJames]

Nope. Not a poorcel. You didn't even read what I wrote G

true

 

[ItsOver999]

Bimax is an unnatural surgery.
Especially the Lefort 1 surgery will absolutely destroy your facial harmony and will make you deformed.
The midface is a continuum and it should not be disrupted.
In every single case of bimax that I see no one has really ascended on the front profile which is the most important(apart from a very few extremely recessed birdcels for medical reasons).

So, when they cut the bone at the height of a Lefort 1 line what happens to the remaining bones above the osteotomy line?
Well... they stay behind. In every single one of the cases it will look uncanny and weird.
The only solution for this issue is obviously custom midface implants but they will need to be the exact same amount of projection ALL ACCROSS the length and height of the upper maxilla and not only the apex of the zygoma as I often see here. Lefort 1 surgery is mainly a 2D movement and not a 3D which translates very differently in 3D projection.

Lefort 1 is an idiotic surgery for aesthetic reasons by all means.

It will be much better to just get a sliding genio and a custom infraorbital malar implant without having bimax.


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Holy fuck youre retarded

 

[PsychoH]

Bimax is an unnatural surgery.
Especially the Lefort 1 surgery will absolutely destroy your facial harmony and will make you deformed.
The midface is a continuum and it should not be disrupted.
In every single case of bimax that I see no one has really ascended on the front profile which is the most important(apart from a very few extremely recessed birdcels for medical reasons).

So, when they cut the bone at the height of a Lefort 1 line what happens to the remaining bones above the osteotomy line?
Well... they stay behind. In every single one of the cases it will look uncanny and weird.
The only solution for this issue is obviously custom midface implants but they will need to be the exact same amount of projection ALL ACCROSS the length and height of the upper maxilla and not only the apex of the zygoma as I often see here. Lefort 1 surgery is mainly a 2D movement and not a 3D which translates very differently in 3D projection.

Lefort 1 is an idiotic surgery for aesthetic reasons by all means.

It will be much better to just get a sliding genio and a custom infraorbital malar implant without having bimax.


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then stay ugly?? natural or not it dont matter as long as you look better i'll agree to do any

 

[Deleted member 3463]

Holy fuck youre retarded

Elab

 

[ItsOver999]

Elab

Welcome to ignored list

 

[Deleted member 3463]

then stay ugly?? natural or not it dont matter as long as you look better i'll agree to do any

It will not make you better looking. Only from the side profile.
You will look uncanny and weird with a disrupted facial harmony from the front in 99% of the cases

 

[Deleted member 47180]

Bimax is an unnatural surgery.
Especially the Lefort 1 surgery will absolutely destroy your facial harmony and will make you deformed.
The midface is a continuum and it should not be disrupted.
In every single case of bimax that I see no one has really ascended on the front profile which is the most important(apart from a very few extremely recessed birdcels for medical reasons).

So, when they cut the bone at the height of a Lefort 1 line what happens to the remaining bones above the osteotomy line?
Well... they stay behind. In every single one of the cases it will look uncanny and weird.
The only solution for this issue is obviously custom midface implants but they will need to be the exact same amount of projection ALL ACCROSS the length and height of the upper maxilla and not only the apex of the zygoma as I often see here. Lefort 1 surgery is mainly a 2D movement and not a 3D which translates very differently in 3D projection.

Lefort 1 is an idiotic surgery for aesthetic reasons by all means.

It will be much better to just get a sliding genio and a custom infraorbital malar implant without having bimax.


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"muh nature is perfect" cope , would get my face cut in half anyday if i actually needed bimax , luckily i just need implants , god and nature made your face while taking a shit and couldn't care less about your whats so called "harmony" you are just a random generated piece of information into this reality , everything is pure genetics reroll luck and nothing it's studied by some major entity like "nature"

 

[Deleted member 3463]

"muh nature is perfect" cope , would get my face cut in half anyday if i actually needed bimax , luckily i just need implants , god and nature made your face while taking a shit and couldn't care less about your whats so called "harmony" you are just a random generated piece of information into this reality , everything is pure genetics reroll luck and nothing it's studied by some major entity like "nature"

To go from ugly to ugly and deformed is not worth it

There is a big difference in enhancing what you have and creating something different.
You would be much better doing custom malar infraorbital implants 3-5mm max projection and maybe a sliding genio as you said.

 

[NoReedemingFeature]

I have a recessed lf1, set back both maxilla and mandible. Is bimax for me then? Because my nose is considerably more protruding than lf1.

 

[Deleted member 3463]

I have a recessed lf1, set back both maxilla and mandible. Is bimax for me then? Because my nose is considerably more protruding than lf1.

Is your occlusion good?
Usually if maxilla is recessed its from the bottom to the top of the bone not only the lower part

 

[NoReedemingFeature]

Is your occlusion good?
Usually if maxilla is recessed its from the bottom to the top of the bone not only the lower part

I have an overbite but biretrusion, occlusal plane is not ideal. Top of my midface isn't recessed but my zygos are

 

[PsychoH]

It will not make you better looking. Only from the side profile.
You will look uncanny and weird with a disrupted facial harmony from the front in 99% of the cases

no, my friend had it he looks better after both front and side

 

[Deleted member 3463]

I have an overbite but biretrusion, occlusal plane is not ideal. Top of my midface isn't recessed but my zygos are

I can't give you advise bro. If it can't be fixed by orthodontics, I would say consult with a surgeon and go very conservative with the movements

no, my friend had it he looks better after both front and side

that's rare, what movements did he get?

 

[PsychoH]

I can't give you advise bro. If it can't be fixed by orthodontics, I would say consult with a surgeon and go very conservative with the movements

that's rare, what movements did he get?

its probably different cus he got a trimax but bimax was part of it

 

[k99]

wrong

 

[Deleted member 3463]

wrong
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Cherrypicked. Also bro had occlusion issues , looks like he didn't have normal occlusion.
Also, you need to see how it looks irl not in a photo with perfect lighting.

 

[k99]

Cherrypicked. Also bro had occlusion issues , looks like he didn't have normal occlusion.
Also, you need to see how it looks irl not in a photo with perfect lighting.

Cherrypicked

there u go irl

 

[okwiwhd]

Bimax is an unnatural surgery.
Especially the Lefort 1 surgery will absolutely destroy your facial harmony and will make you deformed.
The midface is a continuum and it should not be disrupted.
In every single case of bimax that I see no one has really ascended on the front profile which is the most important(apart from a very few extremely recessed birdcels for medical reasons).

So, when they cut the bone at the height of a Lefort 1 line what happens to the remaining bones above the osteotomy line?
Well... they stay behind. In every single one of the cases it will look uncanny and weird.
The only solution for this issue is obviously custom midface implants but they will need to be the exact same amount of projection ALL ACCROSS the length and height of the upper maxilla and not only the apex of the zygoma as I often see here. Lefort 1 surgery is mainly a 2D movement and not a 3D which translates very differently in 3D projection.

Lefort 1 is an idiotic surgery for aesthetic reasons by all means.

It will be much better to just get a sliding genio and a custom infraorbital malar implant without having bimax.


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The black pill hasn’t hit you hard enough. Otherwise you would understand why people do it.

 

[Deleted member 3463]

Cherrypicked

there u go irl

Like I said it's only effective for selective cases as such birdcels. Obviously he looks much better.
With a normal occlusion and normal face your harmony will look off

The black pill hasn’t hit you hard enough. Otherwise you would understand why people do it.

I had bimax a couple years ago.

 

[k99]

Like I said it's only effective for selective cases as such birdcels. Obviously he looks much better.
With a normal occlusion and normal face your harmony will look off

I had bimax a couple years ago.

the first guy i posted had normal occlusion but i somewhat agree

 

[cryoto]

Like I said it's only effective for selective cases as such birdcels. Obviously he looks much better.
With a normal occlusion and normal face your harmony will look off

I had bimax a couple years ago.

So you should have written that's bimax is unnatural for people without maloculusional problems. Otherwise it's not only an aesthetical problem, but a health problem as well. Literally improves your life from better breathing and bite

 

[opeggard]

what about a lf2

 

[longjohnmong]

front profile

 

[Orc]

all surgery is by default not natural.

 

[greycel]

all surgery is by default not natural.

OP
I also had this thought come into my mind bro
Like how can cutting up a bone, doing any osteotomy actually result in something looking like it was meant to with the rest of your skull

Adding mass through filler or implants makes more sense.. but moving an entire bone (or cut piece of the bone), doesn’t make any sense

Because it changes the entire base of the skull itself, after which you will have to fine tune everything in accordance.. but only moving a cut piece of it will mean everything else that was affected has to now be constructed, by adding mass, to fall within the normal range of what a skull with your new base now should look like

 

[Foreverbrad]

OP
I also had this thought come into my mind bro
Like how can cutting up a bone, doing any osteotomy actually result in something looking like it was meant to with the rest of your skull

Adding mass through filler or implants makes more sense.. but moving an entire bone (or cut piece of the bone), doesn’t make any sense

Because it changes the entire base of the skull itself, after which you will have to fine tune everything in accordance.. but only moving a cut piece of it will mean everything else that was affected has to now be constructed, by adding mass, to fall within the normal range of what a skull with your new base now should look like

Regardless, if the jaws are in the wrong position there’s no other option!

 

[greycel]

Regardless, if the jaws are in the wrong position there’s no other option!

But there’s so much that can go wrong, with every filler/implant you’ll be needing
At that point you risk the uncanniness, and it’s best to be slightly ugly and natural but gymcel etc, than be uncanny and HTN max after everything is fixed.

Only if you are below LTN should you consider a bimax
If not you can reach HTN SMV by softmaxxing/ fat grafts/ rhino + chin/ gym

More than enough to reach HTN SMV, that too without frauding like lifts/ bb cream

LTNs and MTNs told to get bimax, but the only time I’d advise someone over LTN to, for example Mid LTN +, would be if they have short face syndrome and need a clockwise rotation

 

[esoterik]

all surgery is by default not natural.

yep and or glasses, functional surgery, hearing aids or about 95% of our daily lives, getting cosmetic surgery is no different and by todays standards is natural

 

[greycel]

yep and or glasses, functional surgery, hearing aids or about 95% of our daily lives, getting cosmetic surgery is no different and by todays standards is natural

Hearing aids or glasses won't make you look uncanny in the eyes of society.
Wearing hearing aids to hear people, or glasses to see people, would have been accepted even back in the day when they were first introduced (and seen as strange).. because those are basic requirements for humans to live.

To be seen as uncanny would just signal to everyone that you were insecure and got surgery as a guy. I have no problem with guys getting surgery, but guarantee all that social stigma is going to come your way, if it is obvious.
Inb4 you don't care about society, just women; the is for women who want good looking guys, who are not insecure..

Having to explain to everybody that you needed the surgeries because of functional reasons will just be seen as tryhard, and most normies will still not believe you/ back chat about you. And that's only if you do explain it to them.. most of the time you won't to the strangers walking by who could've been your future gf or your potential friend/ business partner etc.

Imagine the drag of explaining it to every new person you meet. Imagine them always thinking about it, and you can see it on their faces, but they are too scared to admit it to you infront of your face (they will behind). That's why uncanniness is fucked.

You think women/men would respect a guy like this. Yes he does get attention but it is because of the large audience he has and the small minority of women who've been led by society to want to chase niches like obvious surgerymaxxed uncanny guys:

You won't get the benefits from the . Infact it will be much worse.

If you can do it the way Matt Rife or Ian Sommerhalder did, and make it look semi-natural at least then you are chilling (was an investment)

 

[esoterik]

Hearing aids or glasses won't make you look uncanny in the eyes of society.
Wearing hearing aids to hear people, or glasses to see people, would have been accepted even back in the day when they were first introduced (and seen as strange).. because those are basic requirements for humans to live.

To be seen as uncanny would just signal to everyone that you were insecure and got surgery as a guy. I have no problem with guys getting surgery, but guarantee all that social stigma is going to come your way, if it is obvious.
Inb4 you don't care about society, just women; the is for women who want good looking guys, who are not insecure..

Having to explain to everybody that you needed the surgeries because of functional reasons will just be seen as tryhard, and most normies will still not believe you/ back chat about you. And that's only if you do explain it to them.. most of the time you won't to the strangers walking by who could've been your future gf or your potential friend/ business partner etc.

Imagine the drag of explaining it to every new person you meet. Imagine them always thinking about it, and you can see it on their faces, but they are too scared to admit it to you infront of your face (they will behind). That's why uncanniness is fucked.

You think women/men would respect a guy like this. Yes he does get attention but it is because of the large audience he has and the small minority of women who've been led by society to want to chase niches like obvious surgerymaxxed uncanny guys:
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You won't get the benefits from the . Infact it will be much worse.

If you can do it the way Matt Rife or Ian Sommerhalder did, and make it look semi-natural at least then you are chilling (was an investment)
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i understand and agree with you. though my perspective is modern plastic surgery has been quite impressive, as giant says, the only limitations are moving eyes forward and making ears wider ( or something about ears)


now a days cases with surgeons like ep, giant etc are much bigger and advance than the past, ffs even look at giants stories on insta its insane, and ofc the recent obo which i think is crazy

i think its alot easier to be canny as it use to be easier to be botched, now a days you have black pilled cosmetic surgeons innovating plastic surgery, and no this isnt bias or hopium from me, yes i do have surgeries planned and have had 1 in the past but objectively the curve of being botched has reduced by ALOT (not even to mention revisions)

 

[greycel]

i understand and agree with you. though my perspective is modern plastic surgery has been quite impressive, as giant says, the only limitations are moving eyes forward and making ears wider ( or something about ears)


now a days cases with surgeons like ep, giant etc are much bigger and advance than the past, ffs even look at giants stories on insta its insane, and ofc the recent obo which i think is crazy

i think its alot easier to be canny as it use to be easier to be botched, now a days you have black pilled cosmetic surgeons innovating plastic surgery, and no this isnt bias or hopium from me, yes i do have surgeries planned and have had 1 in the past but objectively the curve of being botched has reduced by ALOT (not even to mention revisions)

True it's definitely looking up
Maybe we've crossed the point where a significant number of surgeries done actually mimic normal human development

Can I PM you regarding some stuff btw?

 

[esoterik]

True it's definitely looking up
Maybe we've crossed the point where a significant number of surgeries done actually mimic normal human development

Can I PM you regarding some stuff btw?

the stigma of recreating "human facial harmony" just stems from the bone its self
the way cosmetic surgery works is there is a level system the higher you go up the higher the botch rate & higher the level is the more surface level it is

to give an analogy, cosmetic surgery is like building construction, foundation work is risky but stable, while cosmetic additions often end up botched (shit but you understand the point)


shit like rhino, face lift etc are easy to botch

and sure, you can pm me

 

[coxel]

could you provide some examples where people descended from bimax on the front profile? i don’t disagree btw it’s a surgery that can very easily be fucked up.

 

[normie_joe]

could you provide some examples where people descended from bimax on the front profile? i don’t disagree btw it’s a surgery that can very easily be fucked up.

It's Sunil's magic

 

[normie_joe]

Bimax is an unnatural surgery.
Especially the Lefort 1 surgery will absolutely destroy your facial harmony and will make you deformed.
The midface is a continuum and it should not be disrupted.
In every single case of bimax that I see no one has really ascended on the front profile which is the most important(apart from a very few extremely recessed birdcels for medical reasons).

So, when they cut the bone at the height of a Lefort 1 line what happens to the remaining bones above the osteotomy line?
Well... they stay behind. In every single one of the cases it will look uncanny and weird.
The only solution for this issue is obviously custom midface implants but they will need to be the exact same amount of projection ALL ACCROSS the length and height of the upper maxilla and not only the apex of the zygoma as I often see here. Lefort 1 surgery is mainly a 2D movement and not a 3D which translates very differently in 3D projection.

Lefort 1 is an idiotic surgery for aesthetic reasons by all means.

It will be much better to just get a sliding genio and a custom infraorbital malar implant without having bimax.


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You don't know what you are yapping about do you?

 

[yue]

It's Sunil's magic

 

[Deleted member 3463]

You don't know what you are yapping about do you?

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I am not even gonna try to argue with you. Bimax will always look unnatural as in nature its not meant to move the middle part of your face forward and leave everything else behind. You WILL need implants that cover the entire upper midface and the entire lower face to compensate and even then it will probably look off. It will ruin your ogee curve and will make you look like an unnatural bloated monkey. This dude obviously looks better because he had an occlusion issue, once the occlusion is restored a more natural appearance is achieved. This is the ONLY reason to have bimax which is basically a serious health reason. Bimax is not an aesthetic surgery.

 

[greycel]

You don't know what you are yapping about do you?

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Surgeon name and movements?
Also if you know, why didn’t this dude lean down before surgery?

 

[normie_joe]

I am not even gonna try to argue with you. Bimax will always look unnatural as in nature its not meant to move the middle part of your face forward and leave everything else behind. You WILL need implants that cover the entire upper midface and the entire lower face to compensate and even then it will probably look off. It will ruin your ogee curve and will make you look like an unnatural bloated monkey. This dude obviously looks better because he had an occlusion issue, once the occlusion is restored a more natural appearance is achieved. This is the ONLY reason to have bimax which is basically a serious health reason. Bimax is not an aesthetic surgery.

Not everyone has gook tier flat faces that look protruded when moved 2mm.

Also how does nature give someone perfect occlusion when they have undeveloped jaws? The only fucking way you get class 1 occlusion with undeveloped jaws is with camouflage orthodontics.

If you never had camouflage orthodontics, you will never have perfect occlusion with underdeveloped jaws because your teeth compensates for your improper jaw position.

 

[normie_joe]

Surgeon name and movements?
Also if you know, why didn’t this dude lean down before surgery?

Before & After 7 Months Post-Op

https://www.reddit.com/gallery/1d7lk41

 

[greycel]

Before & After 7 Months Post-Op

https://www.reddit.com/gallery/1d7lk41

Ohhh but he had an underbite so he benefits from it
So do people who require clockwise rotations.. easier results

Have you seen somebody with downgrowth who does CCW rotation? Of maybe both maxilla and BSSO?

Not everyone has gook tier flat faces that look protruded when moved 2mm.

Also how does nature give someone perfect occlusion when they have undeveloped jaws? The only fucking way you get class 1 occlusion with undeveloped jaws is with camouflage orthodontics.

If you never had camouflage orthodontics, you will never have perfect occlusion with underdeveloped jaws because your teeth compensates for your improper jaw position.

I had 7 years of braces with elastics to move my maxilla downwards to match my lower jaw, but they also move my lower jaw forward so my ramus are asymmetrical and slanted forwards

Can I achieve a CCW rotation of my maxilla. It looks very downgrown and recessed

 

[moreroidsmoredates]

@BlackpillRemedy

 

[FutureSlayer]

It's Sunil's magic

lmao doubled the philtrum length on an already nigger

 

[moreroidsmoredates]

Cherrypicked. Also bro had occlusion issues , looks like he didn't have normal occlusion.
Also, you need to see how it looks irl not in a photo with perfect lighting.

Bimax is for occlussion cells. If you have a normal and healthy bite, why tf get bimax?

 

[Deleted member 3463]

Bimax is for occlussion cells. If you have a normal and healthy bite, why tf get bimax?

This

 

[moreroidsmoredates]

This

People with type II or type III malocclusion would benefit from it. Sidewise and also from the front.

It’s a medical case which needs to be addressed.