Bimax yesterday

[tyler1234]

so first of all im not, 2. whta do you think would happen to my chin if i tilted it 2 degrees lower, nigger

U do have bad posture looks quite like forward head posture

 

[DrDrKater]

U do have bad posture looks quite like forward head posture

so u mean with better posture it would look better?

 

[DrDrKater]

would be over for your side my nigga

so you think my side is chopped irl?

 

[Animepilled]

so you think my side is chopped irl?

it's fine, don't worry about it

 

[tyler1234]

so u mean with better posture it would look better?

No it wil make it look worse

 

[DrDrKater]

it's fine, don't worry about it

bruh js tell the truth, what are you trying to say?

 

[DrDrKater]

No it wil make it look worse

WTH? what point are you trying to make? you say i have bad posture in the pic but if if FIX my posture my side would lookm worse? where is the sense, nigger

 

[tyler1234]

WTH? what point are you trying to make? you say i have bad posture in the pic but if if FIX my posture my side would lookm worse? where is the sense, nigger

I’m just telling the truth

 

[Animepilled]

WTH? what point are you trying to make? you say i have bad posture in the pic but if if FIX my posture my side would lookm worse? where is the sense, nigger

ur tilting ur head up. Neutral position looking forward. Ear vertical. Like this

 

[Ascension75]

iqlet hahaha
this is my side now (8 days later) btw
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this is before

Calling me IQlet when you retard went to a German Krautcel surgeon and got under advanced and now you can't stop panicking

And then you post a frauded side angle foto.

Peak dunning Kruger. Who is the IQlet

 

[DrDrKater]

Calling me IQlet when you retard went to a German Krautcel surgeon and got under advanced and now you can't stop panicking.

Who is the IQlet

nigga who else would surgerymaxx me at 17 with no medical reasons for not even 8k

Doesen't look underadvanced to me

 

[Ascension75]

definetly an ascension imo
Look at the nose it looks so much better
i had an facial scolliosis before
i had short face syndrome

"Definitely an ascension"

stage 1: Denial

And regarding the nose, you just posted a (frauded) side foto. If anything your nose may actually look worse from the front where it matters more due to the widening effect from the lefort 1 cut.

 

[DrDrKater]

"Definitely an ascension"

stage 1: Denial

And regarding the nose, you just posted a (frauded) side foto. If anything your nose may actually look worse from the front where it matters more due to the widening effect from the lefort 1 cut.

So you'd say this is no ascend

 

[LEFORT17]

"Definitely an ascension"

stage 1: Denial

And regarding the nose, you just posted a (frauded) side foto. If anything your nose may actually look worse from the front where it matters more due to the widening effect from the lefort 1 cut.

did you get botched in your first surgery?

 

[DrDrKater]

did you get botched in your first surgery?

do you think @Ascension75 is right?

 

[vermicel]

So you'd say this is no ascend

I think a persisting issue is the lack of facial convexity.
Based on the pics you have provided, your convexity before surgery was only ~150° ; after surgery, it has increased to ~157°. However, that is still outside the ideal range (165-170°) and may explain why some users think you've been under-advanced.
Note that these side profile pictures may not be ideal for an assessment, because you seem to be turning your head a bit too much away from the camera.

Your face with proper convexity (and a small rhino, while we're at it) :

Of course, easier said than done. My morph doesn't take into account your actual orthodontic/orthognathic needs and surgical limitations.

Wait until swelling has really subsided to reassess your results and what may be further improved or not.

 

[Animepilled]

do you think @Ascension75 is right?

u ascended because of the genio, your lips to chin line is now harmonious. But you got the wrong movements. You needed ccw instead of cw. You got an alr profile rn, better than before, dont sweat it.

 

[DrDrKater]

I think a persisting issue is the lack of facial convexity.
Based on the pics you have provided, your convexity before surgery was only ~150° ; after surgery, it has increased to ~157°. However, that is still outside the ideal range (165-170°) and may explain why some users think you've been under-advanced.
Note that these side profile pictures may not be ideal for an assessment, because you seem to be turning your head a bit too much away from the camera.

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Your face with proper convexity (and a small rhino, while we're at it) :

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Of course, easier said than done. My morph doesn't take into account your actual orthodontic/orthognathic needs and surgical limitations.

Wait until swelling has really subsided to reassess your results and what may be further improved or not.

my facial convexity is at 165 degrees actually according to face IQ labs. My mandible is still recessed at around 2 - 3 degrees, which is not Dr katers fault, it's due to my already perfect occlsusion and carmouflage orthodontics. He said ccw rotation would worsen my short face syndrome. How much do you think i'll ascend? According to faceIQ labs i'm also just lagging behind at around 0.3mm behind Frankfurtplane.

 

[ascending_soon]

Sie haben es gemacht. super!

 

[Ascension75]

did you get botched in your first surgery?

similar experience to OP with a German surgeon. If you want more specific info you can PM me.

According to faceIQ labs i'm also just lagging behind at around 0.3mm behind Frankfurtplane.

I don't care that only 0.00003 nanometer are missing or whatever. I just need to look at your after result for a second to say it doesn't look right. And you notice other users agree with me, they just say it in a nicer way to not hurt your feelings.

Anyways you are young. You can add implants or fillers to make it look right and actually ascend. Maybe you will also need rhino now, you haven't posted a front foto to show how much face changed especially your nose.

I just wish you haven't gone with a German krautcel surgeon because the outcome is exactly as I predicted a month ago in your other thread. But maybe it was paid by insurance and paying your own jaw surgery in a different country just wouldn't have been possible anyways.

 

[DrDrKater]

similar experience to OP with a German surgeon. If you want more specific info you can PM me.


I don't care that only 0.00003 nanometer are missing or whatever. I just need to look at your after result for a second to say it doesn't look right. And you notice other users agree with me, they just say it in a nicer way to not hurt your feelings.

Anyways you are young. You can add implants or fillers to make it look right and actually ascend. Maybe you will also need rhino now, you haven't posted a front foto to show how much face changed especially your nose.

I just wish you haven't gone with a German krautcel surgeon because the outcome is exactly as I predicted a month ago in your other thread. But maybe it was paid by insurance and paying your own jaw surgery in a different country just wouldn't have been possible anyways.

saying it was no ascension is just cap bro.
It was no bimax with crazy movements but i only paid 8k
I didn't go from absolute subhuman side to mogger side but i went from subhuman side to a bit above average so i defo ascended?
Also the CW rotation wasn't all bad... i had short face syndrome, so yes: ccw would be better for side but it would shorten my face even further
CW made my face noticeable longer while increasing my gonial angle from 118 to 121 degrees which isn't that bad

 

[Ascension75]

saying it was no ascension is just cap bro.
It was no bimax with crazy movements but i only paid 8k
I didn't go from absolute subhuman side to mogger side but i went from subhuman side to a bit above average so i defo ascended??

Can you actually show some front face before after fotos? Schwarzer balken über die augen wenns sein muss

 

[DrDrKater]

Can you actually show some front face before after fotos? Schwarzer balken über die augen wenns sein muss

It's still very swollen, the surgery was 11 days ago so i don't think it's realistic
Before:

after:

aside from that bro
Jetzt mal ehrlich, egal wieviel du haten willst die side post Op sieht um längen besser aus als pre

 

[DrDrKater]

Can you actually show some front face before after fotos? Schwarzer balken über die augen wenns sein muss

Hate as much as you want
i went from this:

to this

 

[Ascension75]

It's still very swollen, the surgery was 11 days ago so i don't think it's realistic
Before:
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after:
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aside from that bro
Jetzt mal ehrlich, egal wieviel du haten willst die side post Op sieht um längen besser aus als pre

I like your new front face. It looks better to me. Nose was already bad anyways.

I don't deny that you look better. I am saying you got under advanced as expected and I don't agree with the "ascension" part, but we may have different definitions of what an ascension is. If you mean by ascension that you improved from before, then okay.

For an actual ascension you still have a long way to go.

 

[DrDrKater]

I like your new front face. It looks better to me. Nose was already bad anyways.

I don't deny that you look better. I am saying you got under advanced as expected and I don't agree with the "ascension" part, but we may have different definitions of what an ascension is. If you mean by ascension that you improved from before, then okay.

For an actual ascension you still have a long way to go.

okay, i see your point. It's not Dr Katers fault, that my mandible is still recessed, as i said: my bite was perfect before due to carmouflage braces, my mandible was more recessed than my maxilla tho -> that means, that you can only advance them the same or i'd have an underbite. My maxilla is perfect at 82 degrees, my mandible is still 2 degress retrognathic. My chin is ideal too. I understand, that CCW would have given me a bit more forward growth, but as i said im already had short face syndrome that's why Dr kater said he'd rather do a very minimal CW to fix my Short face syndrome. Realistically how much do you think my looks improved? I understand that you wouldn't say it was a lifechanging ascend but i'd definitely say that i went from around top 40% of 17 y/o to around Top 25% once the bloat is gone. Do you think that's ridicolous?

 

[LEFORT17]

similar experience to OP with a German surgeon. If you want more specific info you can PM me.

underadvancement cuz of no ortho prep ?

 

[wannabemogger]

I had Bimaxsurgery + genioplasty yesterday performed by Dr Dr Kater, Frankfurt am Main, Germany. I'm 17 and it went well, no nerves are botched and he told me the Plan was executed perfectly fine. In the pictures you can see 24h before and 24h after the surgery. He did a great job with my maxilla and mandible but the genioplasty is slightly underadvanced. My nose had a very big glowup but it'll all look different in 5 months i'm very bloated rn. What do yall think?

mirin

 

[Harcut]

I had Bimaxsurgery + genioplasty yesterday performed by Dr Dr Kater, Frankfurt am Main, Germany. I'm 17 and it went well, no nerves are botched and he told me the Plan was executed perfectly fine. In the pictures you can see 24h before and 24h after the surgery. He did a great job with my maxilla and mandible but the genioplasty is slightly underadvanced. My nose had a very big glowup but it'll all look different in 5 months i'm very bloated rn. What do yall think?

Good shit bro, no critiques out of curiosity tho why is ur mandibles osteotomy done on the ramus rather than the mandibular plane? Will it affect ramus length?

 

[DrDrKater]

Good shit bro, no critiques out of curiosity tho why is ur mandibles osteotomy done on the ramus rather than the mandibular plane? Will it affect ramus length?

It's called HOSO (high oblique sagittal ostheotomy) and it's better than BSSO for movements <8mm because it's safer for the nervus mandibulae and it's easier for the bone to heal with the cut. It doesen't affect ramus length.

 

[Harcut]

It's called HOSO (high oblique sagittal ostheotomy) and it's better than BSSO for movements <8mm because it's safer for the nervus mandibulae and it's easier for the bone to heal with the cut. It doesen't affect ramus length.

wouldn't that osteotomy site although be safer for nerves create a step off on your ramus even at being under 8mm?

 

[DrDrKater]

wouldn't that osteotomy site although be safer for nerves create a step off on your ramus even at being under 8mm?

i see your point, i thought that too for a while but
1. it didn't
2. it's hard to explain but the cut is not going through the ramus on the outside, it's only cutting the condylus on the inside

 

[prokop:3]

I had Bimaxsurgery + genioplasty yesterday performed by Dr Dr Kater, Frankfurt am Main, Germany. I'm 17 and it went well, no nerves are botched and he told me the Plan was executed perfectly fine. In the pictures you can see 24h before and 24h after the surgery. He did a great job with my maxilla and mandible but the genioplasty is slightly underadvanced. My nose had a very big glowup but it'll all look different in 5 months i'm very bloated rn. What do yall think?

mashallah bimax at 17 is crazy

 

[Harcut]

i see your point, i thought that too for a while but
1. it didn't
2. it's hard to explain but the cut is not going through the ramus on the outside, it's only cutting the condylus on the inside

could you checkout my recent post and give me ur opinion as im going to get bimax.

 

[Hoopy321]

sehr geil

 

[bipolaric]

My dream, mirin tho

 

[ascending_soon]

The result looks good. It even improved your profile from the front in a positive way. But what I don’t understand is why the surgeon didn’t give you a bit more chin projection. Why is it so hard to get such a simple surgery like genioplasty done right?

 

[DrDrKater]

The result looks good. It even improved your profile from the front in a positive way. But what I don’t understand is why the surgeon didn’t give you a bit more chin projection. Why is it so hard to get such a simple surgery like genioplasty done right?






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He told me, that my growthplates aren't closed yet and my pogonion will still grow, cause it completely develops during the end of puberty. I don't know if it's cope or not but aside from that i don't think, that my chin is underprojected but my mandible is still 2 degrees retrognathic due to carmouflage orthodontics that fucked up my bite so to speak. Not the surgeons fault but maybe i'll get a chin implant to fraud mandible projection once my titanium plates are removed

 

[Ascension75]

Some Brazilian surgeon just posted a result that reminded me of your case but he also did implants.

 

[LEFORT17]

Some Brazilian surgeon just posted a result that reminded me of your case but he also did implants.

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kid had 3cm advancement

 

[Ascension75]

kid had 3cm advancement

Brutally mogging German krautcel surgeons straight outta the favela for half the price

 

[oculus]

niceee maybe get filler in like between eyebrows so the nose is straighter or get a rhino W

 

[DrDrKater]

Brutally mogging German krautcel surgeons straight outta the favela for half the price

good result but he probably had decomposition

 

[ascending_soon]

He told me, that my growthplates aren't closed yet and my pogonion will still grow, cause it completely develops during the end of puberty. I don't know if it's cope or not but aside from that i don't think, that my chin is underprojected but my mandible is still 2 degrees retrognathic due to carmouflage orthodontics that fucked up my bite so to speak. Not the surgeons fault but maybe i'll get a chin implant to fraud mandible projection once my titanium plates are removed

I would just go for a genioplasty revision in the future if you still feel that you need it; otherwise, it’s good.

 

[Hasslejack]

How much was it

 

[nishka]

genioplasty is slightly underadvanced.

he cant just advance your chin when you have no mandible

 

[ascending_soon]

he cant just advance your chin when you have no mandible

The fuck you talking about? Look at the x-ray.

 

[DrDrKater]

he cant just advance your chin when you have no mandible

retigga

 

[iamgoingtoascend]

I think a persisting issue is the lack of facial convexity.
Based on the pics you have provided, your convexity before surgery was only ~150° ; after surgery, it has increased to ~157°. However, that is still outside the ideal range (165-170°) and may explain why some users think you've been under-advanced.
Note that these side profile pictures may not be ideal for an assessment, because you seem to be turning your head a bit too much away from the camera.

View attachment 4658021
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Your face with proper convexity (and a small rhino, while we're at it) :

View attachment 4658025
View attachment 4658026

Of course, easier said than done. My morph doesn't take into account your actual orthodontic/orthognathic needs and surgical limitations.

Wait until swelling has really subsided to reassess your results and what may be further improved or not.

Well said. I currently have the same facial convexity pre-op as he has post op, 157 degrees.
although he does look a bit less recessed then i do for some reason. He also has a better submental area.
Either way, it still is a great ascension

 

[iamgoingtoascend]

my facial convexity is at 165 degrees actually according to face IQ labs. My mandible is still recessed at around 2 - 3 degrees, which is not Dr katers fault, it's due to my already perfect occlsusion and carmouflage orthodontics. He said ccw rotation would worsen my short face syndrome. How much do you think i'll ascend? According to faceIQ labs i'm also just lagging behind at around 0.3mm behind Frankfurtplane.

your facial convexity is not at 165 degrees