Bite issues unless severe is a retarded reason for bimax

[lurking truecel]

Mental cope on the last guy. he was mtn and is now chadlite.
Calling that barely ascended is mental to me

Light frauded in before and after

 

[Lefor3Laser]

Sure 3+ mm underbite, 9+ mm overbite, 4+ mm anterior open bite. Extreme crossbite.

If you can decomp to 10+ mm overbite its fine, or big underbite

But else its a shit ass reason for bimax

And doing bimax unless 10+ ahi is retarded.(Sleep score)

Just doing it for aesthetics is giga retarded

No one ascends good enough for it to be worth unless something of the above

I don't know why users in this thread think that any surgery doesn't have risks, even if on paper it is 1 out of 10k for example it could still happen often.

But yeah, if you do have a small overbite/underbite, it is not worth it at all.

Many would end up chimpmaxxed with a flat upper lip because of it.

 

[Lefor3Laser]

Sure bro that is htn. View attachment 4429436View attachment 4429437

Really good chadlite.
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Legit Stacy 1/1000 zommer girls was made by raffiani.
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Brother totally not chadlite (jfl) View attachment 4429446

First one already had a good base.

Same goes for the second one.

And Nicolas did many surgeries, not just bimax/implants, i've spoken with him before, soft tissue did it's job much better than the implants/osteotomy (and let's not forget he got fat grafts and fillers), he did way more.

 

[Lefor3Laser]

Pagnoni Win
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Looks uncanny, I've said it thousands of times.

You can definetely tell that it does not sit right on his base, probably if it was smaller and less sharp.

 

[AustrianMogger]

First one already had a good base.

Same goes for the second one.

And Nicolas did many surgeries, not just bimax/implants, i've spoken with him before, soft tissue did it's job much better than the implants/osteotomy (and let's not forget he got fat grafts and fillers), he did way more.

Nicolas is an inspiration for us all

 

[AustrianMogger]

Looks uncanny, I've said it thousands of times.

You can definetely tell that it does not sit right on his base, probably if it was smaller and less sharp.

id rather be uncanny chadlite then canny mtn

 

[tweaqo]

Looks uncanny, I've said it thousands of times.

You can definetely tell that it does not sit right on his base, probably if it was smaller and less sharp.

Nicolas is an inspiration for us all

I’m not gonna even lie. It looks botched, homosexual and botched.

It’s botched

 

[Lefor3Laser]

I do agree he's a nice guy afterall, but the thing is he's done way to many procedures, not just one, that's the effect of many procedures combined, that's why the result looks outstanding (also his pics are somewhat frauded but still undeniably good ascension)

Nicolas is an inspiration for us all

 

[tweaqo]

I do agree he's a nice guy afterall, but the thing is he's done way to many procedures, not just one, that's the effect of many procedures combined, that's why the result looks outstanding (also his pics are somewhat frauded but still undeniably good ascension)

I just can’t look at these people though. I don’t know this guy at all, other than seeing his results posted everywhere, I’m sure he’s a nice guy.

But his face just looks so obviously plastic, like those girls who get loads of lip filler and BBLs.

In my opinion this is just what NOT to do when hardmaxxing yk?

 

[Lefor3Laser]

I just can’t look at these people though. I don’t know this guy at all, other than seeing his results posted everywhere, I’m sure he’s a nice guy.

But his face just looks so obviously plastic, like those girls who get loads of lip filler and BBLs.

In my opinion this is just what NOT to do when hardmaxxing yk?

I do agree, but I've seen his before, definetely an improvment but you can still spot his uncanny looks, i don't have his contacts anymore, but i've heard few months ago from someone that he wanted to change his jaw into something more natural.

But he is somewhat unstable, he even did LL.

Yeah but i mean, sadly, this is what people on this forum go after, instead of a natural but a good improvment of your own looks.

Indeed, when i go after surgeries, i want to look as natural as possible (follow the facial contour of my face aka natural) but also enhance it and get a better results.

 

[tweaqo]

I do agree, but I've seen his before, definetely an improvment but you can still spot his uncanny looks, i don't have his contacts anymore, but i've heard few months ago from someone that he wanted to change his jaw into something more natural.

But he is somewhat unstable, he even did LL.

Yeah but i mean, sadly, this is what people on this forum go after, instead of a natural but a good improvment of your own looks.

Indeed, when i go after surgeries, i want to look as natural as possible (follow the facial contour of my face aka natural) but also enhance it and get a better results.

Yeah exactly. I think some people need to understand they will never be top 0.1% in looks if u dont have a good base.

You can only do the best u can with the base you have. Unfortunate but true.

 

[lurking truecel]

I don't know why users in this thread think that any surgery doesn't have risks, even if on paper it is 1 out of 10k for example it could still happen often.

But yeah, if you do have a small overbite/underbite, it is not worth it at all.

Many would end up chimpmaxxed with a flat upper lip because of it.

I mean surgery should allways be last resort. Esp bimax because it has a high risk and long recovery. Just isnt something someone should do for looks alone. And generally people look better with less surgery if they dont do it for huge failos. If you have anything decent it's should be left alone.

And also i will continue to spread this shit because its allways better to be more careful and hesitant then just throwing oneself in to surgery for some minor thing

 

[lurking truecel]

Looks uncanny, I've said it thousands of times.

You can definetely tell that it does not sit right on his base, probably if it was smaller and less sharp.

I dont understand why one want to put a square box looking shit as infra, supra. Never looks good. Not even opry has the box looking as infras supras, only looks cool on a ct scan. One of the worst things giant has thought been a good idea

 

[Lefor3Laser]

I mean surgery should allways be last resort. Esp bimax because it has a high risk and long recovery. Just isnt something someone should do for looks alone. And generally people look better with less surgery if they dont do it for huge failos. If you have anything decent it's should be left alone.

And also i will continue to spread this shit because its allways better to be more careful and hesitant then just throwing oneself in to surgery for some minor thing

Definetly, if users here were realistical with themselves, they would need between 1-3 surgeries at max. (even that many don't need them and it's just a really bad body dysphoria+ high expectation and loss of reality).

 

[Lefor3Laser]

I dont understand why one want to put a square box looking shit as infra, supra. Never looks good. Not even opry has the box looking as infras supras, only looks cool on a ct scan. One of the worst things giant has thought been a good idea

Square orbitals are a meme, if you weren't born with them (even the ones who have it don't look that attractive) will end up looking worse than good.

Big eyes are good for appeal and expression wise, that's why women usually chose guys with bigger eyes (kpop stars and so on differentiate themselves with eyelids surgeries).

Many standards on here are a meme and are impossible to reach.

And about O'pry, he squints, not his real eye area.

Balance is key.

 

[lurking truecel]

Definetly, if users here were realistical with themselves, they would need between 1-3 surgeries at max. (even that many don't need them and it's just a really bad body dysphoria+ high expectation and loss of reality).

Yea, people who do morphs how they want to look after 5+ surgeries are the funniest delosionalcels on the forum. Then one might aswell cheat with fillers

 

[lurking truecel]

Square orbitals are a meme, if you weren't born with them (even the ones who have it don't look that attractive) will end up looking worse than good.

Big eyes are good for appeal and expression wise, that's why women usually chose guys with bigger eyes (kpop stars and so on differentiate themselves with eyelids surgeries).

Many standards on here are a meme and are impossible to reach.

And about O'pry, he squints, not his real eye area.

Balance is key.

Yea, i mean people laugh when surgeons augment the real eye shape here. But that often looks better then going for some box look that just looks giga retarded

 

[Nahorscend]

Square orbitals are a meme, if you weren't born with them (even the ones who have it don't look that attractive) will end up looking worse than good.

Big eyes are good for appeal and expression wise, that's why women usually chose guys with bigger eyes (kpop stars and so on differentiate themselves with eyelids surgeries).

Many standards on here are a meme and are impossible to reach.

And about O'pry, he squints, not his real eye area.

Balance is key.

True, it's disconnected from reality to think that you need the hunter eyes look in order to have appeal. What you need is to fix failos like uee, lower lid sag, nct. If you get greedy and try to create o'pry look from a base that's nothing like him I doubt it will ever end too well. Many guys should go for a pleasant almond eye shape rather than the aggressive slit shape they are chasing.

 

[Foreverbrad]

I have 5mm overbite decompensated and it’s still enough to make me look absolutely shit every time I speak or open my mouth. My lower teeth are so obviously far behind my upper.

Though to be honest it’s having another 5-6mm of bimaxillary retrusion on top of it that makes it look truly awful. If my maxilla was in the right place and I just had a 5mm recessed mandible I’d probably not be doing this.

I think a 9mm overbite might be a bit much, perhaps 6-7mm (incidentally the NHS threshold) but I agree with the general point.

The guy who got “botched” with Ramieri recently is a clear example of why you must not mobilise the jaw for any less than centimetre-scale movements, you’ll cause more damage than you fix just by “tolerances”!

 

[lurking truecel]

True, it's disconnected from reality to think that you need the hunter eyes look in order to have appeal. What you need is to fix failos like uee, lower lid sag, nct. If you get greedy and try to create o'pry look from a base that's nothing like him I doubt it will ever end too well. Many guys should go for a pleasant almond eye shape rather than the aggressive slit shape they are chasing.

Uee is not a failo even tho

 

[AustrianMogger]

Uee is not a failo even tho

cope

 

[lurking truecel]

cope

Its not a cope and i have never seen fat graft fix it or anything else

Severe uee is a failo with extra folds

 

[Foreverbrad]

True, it's disconnected from reality to think that you need the hunter eyes look in order to have appeal. What you need is to fix failos like uee, lower lid sag, nct. If you get greedy and try to create o'pry look from a base that's nothing like him I doubt it will ever end too well. Many guys should go for a pleasant almond eye shape rather than the aggressive slit shape they are chasing.

I’m struggling with this at present.

I can’t convince myself that 5 mm of extra facial depth from a Lefort 2 is not worth it.

And yet when you write it out: 5mm, half a centimetre, for the sake of having plastic covering almost every part of my face, enormous risk of nerve damage, and Lefort-2 one of the most brutal surgeries yet performed for cosmetics… it sounds insane.

 

[Foreverbrad]

Its not a cope and i have never seen fat graft fix it or anything else

Severe uee is a failo with extra folds

You can fix UEE easily by tilting your head down.

UEE is symptomatic of having a shit jaw and tilting your head up all the time to fraud it.

 

[lurking truecel]

You can fix UEE easily by tilting your head down.

UEE is symptomatic of having a shit jaw and tilting your head up all the time to fraud it.

Hmm i mean i feel like some peeps on here mean uee when someone dont look like opry or cruise in the upper eyelid. But thats a bit far

 

[Nahorscend]

Its not a cope and i have never seen fat graft fix it or anything else

Severe uee is a failo with extra folds

yes. cope is thinking you need a full hood. it depends also on your ethnicity, overall look, a mild uee will look good on many people. but i meant moderate to severe uee, you may benefit from fat graft, but also it could be ptosis repair case not fat graft.

 

[lurking truecel]

yes. cope is thinking you need a full hood. it depends also on your ethnicity, overall look, a mild uee will look good on many people. but i meant moderate to severe uee, you may benefit from fat graft, but also it could be ptosis repair case not fat graft.

Also depends on eye shape and your overall style like you said

 

[Nahorscend]

Also depends on eye shape and your overall style like you said

also eyeball settedness, i am sure opry level of supra fat is gonna look uncanny af on shallow set eyes, may as well get od instead of coping with that much fat graft

 

[lurking truecel]

also eyeball settedness, i am sure opry level of supra fat is gonna look uncanny af on shallow set eyes, may as well get od instead of coping with that much fat graft

I would say the shape of the orbits and canthal tilt, and how straight the upper eye lid is before is more importanf

 

[Nahorscend]

I’m struggling with this at present.

I can’t convince myself that 5 mm of extra facial depth from a Lefort 2 is not worth it.

And yet when you write it out: 5mm, half a centimetre, for the sake of having plastic covering almost every part of my face, enormous risk of nerve damage, and Lefort-2 one of the most brutal surgeries yet performed for cosmetics… it sounds insane.

i mean i have the same issue, bad facial depth resulting in bad eye area, but going as far as lf2 (similarly od) is a meme, do it if ur so low inhib but its not worth it to even think about it for me. but yea facial depth pill is brutal, just get monobloc theory

 

[Foreverbrad]

i mean i have the same issue, bad facial depth resulting in bad eye area, but going as far as lf2 (similarly od) is a meme, do it if ur so low inhib but its not worth it to even think about it for me. but yea facial depth pill is brutal, just get monobloc theory

And then you look up the surgeries you’re considering and see the patients look like this:

 

[lurking truecel]

And then you look up the surgeries you’re considering and see the patients look like this:

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Brutal posting my ancestors in this thread

 

[Nahorscend]

I would say the shape of the orbits and canthal tilt, and how straight the upper eye lid is before is more importanf

can i dm you pics for opinion on what to do with my eyes? and for jaw actually, have scans for that

 

[lurking truecel]

can i dm you pics for opinion on what to do with my eyes? and for jaw actually, have scans for that

Do it

 

[Lefor3Laser]

Uee is not a failo even tho

True, it is actually ideal to have some, i find it better than fully hooded.

 

[monecel]

Retarded user alert

 

[ltn_looksminner]

Retarded user alert

Nigga called the best active surgery threads user retarded

 

[monecel]

Nigga called the best active surgery threads user retarded

Saying bimax does not ascend people is simply retarded, there are so many examples of where it's completely transformed appearances

 

[ltn_looksminner]

Saying bimax does not ascend people is simply retarded, there are so many examples of where it's completely transformed appearances

Yes dude of course but he's talking about the average guy , no shit it'll ascend hard if you're a bird cell , but if you're slightly recessed don't expect to go up one tier

 

[monecel]

Yes dude of course but he's talking about the average guy , no shit it'll ascend hard if you're a bird cell , but if you're slightly recessed don't expect to go up one tier

The point of surgeries is to go towards an ideal facial harmony, if you have more ideal features as in jaw development then the distance you have between what you have and ideal is smaller so of course someone recessed will have a greater impact. OP said doing DJS for pure aesthetics is stupid which is ignorant for many cases of significant jaw recession which is very common on modern diets. Surgeries should be done to fix specific issues case-by-case, nothing will be a fix for everyone.

 

[ltn_looksminner]

The point of surgeries is to go towards an ideal facial harmony, if you have more ideal features as in jaw development then the distance you have between what you have and ideal is smaller so of course someone recessed will have a greater impact. OP said doing DJS for pure aesthetics is stupid which is ignorant for many cases of significant jaw recession which is very common on modern diets. Surgeries should be done to fix specific issues case-by-case, nothing will be a fix for everyone.

Yes i get it but in some cases it's counterproductive which i think is what he's tryna say

 

[alexl]

Does someone with SFS, with wide / high cheekbones, positive cantle tilt, a good nose, and slightly-positive tilt thick eyebrows always ascend with DJS when paired with down grafting?

 

[lurking truecel]

Retarded user alert

Wait, its the morph expert

 

[lurking truecel]

Does someone with SFS, with wide / high cheekbones, positive cantle tilt, a good nose, and slightly-positive tilt thick eyebrows always ascend with DJS when paired with down grafting?

No, severe sfs ascends. And it needs to be paired with a big overbite so the lower mandible is not in view. Also when you relax and open mouth you should not see your teeth even a little bit. Else you cant down graft or do forward advancement

 

[hunnidrounds]

Then why did BlackGymMax aka Deven's dumbass recommend it to me even though I told the retard I didn't have an overbite. Anyway I try to touch on the subject in this thread where I ask about Dr. Wolford's work in regards to jaw surgery:

any thoughts on Dr. Wolford and Dr. Dhir?

saving up to get procedures from both of them in terms of custom jaw implants/chin implants from Dr. Dhir might run me 35k-45k according to AI and jaw surgery from Dr. Wolford would run me about 50k. It might take me like 5 years to save up both of these guys lol, so if you can point me towards...

looksmax.org

 

[Terrortheplug]

Thanks for dnring my thread nigger

 

[lurking truecel]

Then why did BlackGymMax aka Deven's dumbass recommend it to me even though I told the retard I didn't have an overbite. Anyway I try to touch on the subject in this thread where I ask about Dr. Wolford's work in regards to jaw surgery:

any thoughts on Dr. Wolford and Dr. Dhir?

saving up to get procedures from both of them in terms of custom jaw implants/chin implants from Dr. Dhir might run me 35k-45k according to AI and jaw surgery from Dr. Wolford would run me about 50k. It might take me like 5 years to save up both of these guys lol, so if you can point me towards...

looksmax.org

Yea i mean people on this forum would recommend bimax to 98% of people