Blind Optimism. How To Misunderstand The Blackpill Completely (Tearing Apart Bluepiller/Redpiller Thread. @LiL 369)

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Here is the original post. https://looksmax.org/threads/how-can-you-even-be-blackpilled.1505336/#post-21566703. Here are the Users within it. One blackpilled, one bluepilled. @LiL 369 @disillusioned

Part One: Easily influenced kids and the blind following a narrative.

This might be one of the most perfectly naive misinterpretations of the blackpill I've read yet, so let me dismantle your comfortable illusions point by point. You mock blackpillers as impressionable kids, yet ironically fail to see your own naivety. You think blackpill believers are puppets? No, they are simply those who’ve removed the blindfold. What you perceive as weakness is merely clarity. Teenage boys are noticing early now and what you still refuse to accept. That genetic determinism is fundamentally correct, and optimism is a poor replacement for evidence. Calling truth “well written sentences” doesn't invalidate it. Reality isn't about age, it’s about accuracy. Your attempt to discredit via condescension is just lazy arrogance.

Part Two: Cherry Picking Evidence.

You complain that blackpillers cherry pick extremes. The ugly and the beautiful and pretend this disproves blackpill truths. In reality, it illustrates exactly the fundamental principle of sexual selection. Biological inequality. The extremes are not exceptions, they're evidence of a bell curve that does not treat men fairly. Nature itself is a harsh selection process. Your "fairness" never existed, and claiming otherwise is pure delusion. Blackpill doesn’t promise doom for every average man but it reveals the sobering reality that the "average" man is neither desirable nor prioritized. This isn’t pessimism, it’s biological realism backed by countless studies you conveniently ignore.

Part Three: Muh hollow cheeks, muh sharp eyes, etc etc.

You laugh at the precise measurements of attractiveness as “soy,” yet betray your own ignorance of biology. Women subconsciously assess genetic health markers such as orbital tilt, facial width, cheekbones, symmetry which has been proven scientifically countless times. "Overall facial harmony" is exactly that. A combination of precise biological signals of health, genetic fitness, and testosterone. Your mockery of these traits reveals not wisdom, but ignorance of how evolution shaped human attraction. Facial analysis isn't some shallow male invention, it's innate biology operating beneath conscious awareness. Your dismissal doesn't disprove science, it only proves you misunderstand it.

Part Four: Gymmaxing.

You claim gym physiques don’t guarantee female attention. Congratulations, you've found a half truth but you again miss the point. Gymmaxxing alone isn’t salvation. No informed blackpiller claims this. The physique is supplementary. Face and height are primary, muscles alone never overcome subpar genetic traits. you mischaracterize gymmaxxing as a blackpill staple, when in reality it’s just a secondary coping mechanism. Even blackpill theory clearly states: face > height > body. You either deliberately misunderstand this hierarchy, or you argue against a straw man to pretend you’ve won.

Yet I shall concede to one agreement here. A lot of men here do go over the top for a stronger body. Even though it will never do much for them at all. There is only so much you can do in the end. Most of the times, it is too little, too late.

Part Five: Real life vs the blackpill.

You say you’ve observed couples who are average, or even below average. Yet you’ve spotted the exception that proves the rule. Most pairings are assortative, people match within similar attractiveness and value ranges. Blackpill never denied assortative mating but what it emphasizes and what you conveniently ignore, is that the lower-status male rarely finds genuine desire from attractive women. He finds tolerance, practicality, or necessity yet no real passion. Your “regular couples” aren't proof against blackpill, they're proof of it. Yes, sub-average men marry and reproduce. If you examine their relationships closely, nearly it is always conditional, transactional, or merely stable conveniences. Desire? Passion? Rarely found. Stability isn’t love. it’s practicality.

Even your point about how so many are together, that we should just look outside. I can say the same thing back. Do you know them? Do you know how it is deep down in their bedroom? You know normies are great at masking and pretending that all is good yes? You are just ignoring all sides of the rotten reality.

Part Six: Hypergamy and shallowness.

You mock the idea of hypergamy and female selectivity. Do you deny female nature itself? Hypergamy is documented extensively across anthropology, evolutionary biology, and sociology. Women choose upwards, financially, genetically, socially. Exceptions exist but exceptions do not erase biological imperatives. You claim women aren’t shallow because average people pair together. Again, this doesn’t disprove hypergamy, it confirms assortative mating. They chose what they could realistically attract. Women don't settle down. they settle for.

Part Seven: Finale. Just go outside JFL.

Your conclusion tries to shame realism as being out of touch. Yet reality itself disproves you daily. Society and dating apps are not separate realities, they reflect human nature at scale. The algorithm isn't lying. It’s showcasing evolutionary preference without politeness or mask. Your refusal to acknowledge this is intellectual cowardice masquerading as optimism. Your entire critique isn’t wisdom, it's naive escapism. Your rejection of blackpill truths is born from discomfort, not evidence. You offered nothing but poorly constructed half-truths and emotional coping. The blackpill isn’t pessimistic, it’s honest. You haven’t disproven the blackpill. You've merely proven your inability to face it. Enjoy your humanimal fantasies. Reality waits patiently.
 

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If you wish to disprove me. Expect replies around 8 to 10 pm. I should be able to write around then.
 
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Communication is all about delivering a message in differing forms.

With that many words no one will reply, thus making your efforts to communicate go to waste.

I like to call that pseudo-intellectual behavior.

@Eltrē
 
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Communication is all about delivering a message in differing forms.

With that many words no one will reply, thus making your efforts to communicate go to waste.

I like to call that pseudo-intellectual behavior.

@Eltrē
I mean OP's points are correct, but you're also right that the people this thread was directed at will not read it since it's too long and too hard to read for them.
 
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I mean OP's points are correct, but you're also right that the people this thread was directed at will not read it since it's too long and too hard to read for them.
The first part actually reads quite nicely and I agree. He just needs to swallow the transhumanism pill. :ogre:
 
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Here is the original post. https://looksmax.org/threads/how-can-you-even-be-blackpilled.1505336/#post-21566703. Here are the Users within it. One blackpilled, one bluepilled. @LiL 369 @disillusioned

Part One: Easily influenced kids and the blind following a narrative.

This might be one of the most perfectly naive misinterpretations of the blackpill I've read yet, so let me dismantle your comfortable illusions point by point. You mock blackpillers as impressionable kids, yet ironically fail to see your own naivety. You think blackpill believers are puppets? No, they are simply those who’ve removed the blindfold. What you perceive as weakness is merely clarity. Teenage boys are noticing early now and what you still refuse to accept. That genetic determinism is fundamentally correct, and optimism is a poor replacement for evidence. Calling truth “well written sentences” doesn't invalidate it. Reality isn't about age, it’s about accuracy. Your attempt to discredit via condescension is just lazy arrogance.

Part Two: Cherry Picking Evidence.

You complain that blackpillers cherry pick extremes. The ugly and the beautiful and pretend this disproves blackpill truths. In reality, it illustrates exactly the fundamental principle of sexual selection. Biological inequality. The extremes are not exceptions, they're evidence of a bell curve that does not treat men fairly. Nature itself is a harsh selection process. Your "fairness" never existed, and claiming otherwise is pure delusion. Blackpill doesn’t promise doom for every average man but it reveals the sobering reality that the "average" man is neither desirable nor prioritized. This isn’t pessimism, it’s biological realism backed by countless studies you conveniently ignore.

Part Three: Muh hollow cheeks, muh sharp eyes, etc etc.

You laugh at the precise measurements of attractiveness as “soy,” yet betray your own ignorance of biology. Women subconsciously assess genetic health markers such as orbital tilt, facial width, cheekbones, symmetry which has been proven scientifically countless times. "Overall facial harmony" is exactly that. A combination of precise biological signals of health, genetic fitness, and testosterone. Your mockery of these traits reveals not wisdom, but ignorance of how evolution shaped human attraction. Facial analysis isn't some shallow male invention, it's innate biology operating beneath conscious awareness. Your dismissal doesn't disprove science, it only proves you misunderstand it.

Part Four: Gymmaxing.

You claim gym physiques don’t guarantee female attention. Congratulations, you've found a half truth but you again miss the point. Gymmaxxing alone isn’t salvation. No informed blackpiller claims this. The physique is supplementary. Face and height are primary, muscles alone never overcome subpar genetic traits. you mischaracterize gymmaxxing as a blackpill staple, when in reality it’s just a secondary coping mechanism. Even blackpill theory clearly states: face > height > body. You either deliberately misunderstand this hierarchy, or you argue against a straw man to pretend you’ve won.

Yet I shall concede to one agreement here. A lot of men here do go over the top for a stronger body. Even though it will never do much for them at all. There is only so much you can do in the end. Most of the times, it is too little, too late.

Part Five: Real life vs the blackpill.

You say you’ve observed couples who are average, or even below average. Yet you’ve spotted the exception that proves the rule. Most pairings are assortative, people match within similar attractiveness and value ranges. Blackpill never denied assortative mating but what it emphasizes and what you conveniently ignore, is that the lower-status male rarely finds genuine desire from attractive women. He finds tolerance, practicality, or necessity yet no real passion. Your “regular couples” aren't proof against blackpill, they're proof of it. Yes, sub-average men marry and reproduce. If you examine their relationships closely, nearly it is always conditional, transactional, or merely stable conveniences. Desire? Passion? Rarely found. Stability isn’t love. it’s practicality.

Even your point about how so many are together, that we should just look outside. I can say the same thing back. Do you know them? Do you know how it is deep down in their bedroom? You know normies are great at masking and pretending that all is good yes? You are just ignoring all sides of the rotten reality.

Part Six: Hypergamy and shallowness.

You mock the idea of hypergamy and female selectivity. Do you deny female nature itself? Hypergamy is documented extensively across anthropology, evolutionary biology, and sociology. Women choose upwards, financially, genetically, socially. Exceptions exist but exceptions do not erase biological imperatives. You claim women aren’t shallow because average people pair together. Again, this doesn’t disprove hypergamy, it confirms assortative mating. They chose what they could realistically attract. Women don't settle down. they settle for.

Part Seven: Finale. Just go outside JFL.

Your conclusion tries to shame realism as being out of touch. Yet reality itself disproves you daily. Society and dating apps are not separate realities, they reflect human nature at scale. The algorithm isn't lying. It’s showcasing evolutionary preference without politeness or mask. Your refusal to acknowledge this is intellectual cowardice masquerading as optimism. Your entire critique isn’t wisdom, it's naive escapism. Your rejection of blackpill truths is born from discomfort, not evidence. You offered nothing but poorly constructed half-truths and emotional coping. The blackpill isn’t pessimistic, it’s honest. You haven’t disproven the blackpill. You've merely proven your inability to face it. Enjoy your humanimal fantasies. Reality waits patiently.
Most of your post is a actually the perfect example of what happens when someone memorizes the blackpill gospel but forgets to think for himself.

Let me just start by saying most of what you wrote I've seen this being said 10000x by rehab room or what else...

1 - Blackpillers on this forum didnt remove any blindfold XDXD let’s be real... They just saw a couple of edited videos on tiktok or youtube of Chico or Opry mogging some below average dude in public and getting female attention. That’s it. That’s the entire foundation of their and your so called "awakening". They watched a few cherry-picked clips, correlated them with blackpill talking points, and suddenly decided, “Yup, I’m blackpilled now.” They didnt reach this conclusion through any deep thinking, critical observation, or life experience. They were just impressionable and easily influenced.

2 - Brah Cherry picking is still cherry picking... What do you want me to tell you? Yes, sexual selection exists. Yes, humans are judged on looks, but using only extremes to represent every interaction is retarded. It doesn’t reflect real life, where most people are just average and have normal experiences. Using the most attractive and least attractive people to "prove" a point isnt accurate... It creates an obvious false reality where being average is also seen as failure, and In every corner of this forum you see average people...

3 - Again... Yes, women subconsciously pick up on of health indicatores and masculinity but im quite sure real life isnt a lab experiment... So yeah bro just have hunter eyes and cheekbones, and BOOM you are a PSL god!!! Every woman will wet themselfs just looking at those hunter eyes!!:feelsgood::feelsgood:



5/6 - "Yet you’ve spotted the exception that proves the rule"

Ahm... No I never said that

"If you examine their relationships closely, nearly it is always conditional, transactional, or merely stable conveniences. Desire? Passion? Rarely found."

Yeah bro I watch rehab rooms videos too... The oofy doofy theory... Again surely it might happen or it might not happen... This happens every time, everywhere, where there's a clearly attractive girl dating someone below average the instant thought of a men watching this couple is "Yeah he must b rich" or something like that... The jealousy instantly talks in their ears...

I have the same example of this happening irl, Best looking girl at my gym, since I started working in here, everybody, but I mean E V E R Y B O D Y, telling me that her clearly below average bf (He's tall tho) only has her cause he is rich... Talked to her for sometime and the reality is he aint rich at all... He is a fucking taxi driver, and they are together for years, they started dating when she was giga fat, now she is pretty much the stacy of that gym and she still chooses to be with him, even without kids involved...

This doesnt make the rule ofc, but this to say relationships are way more than just looks or money as the blackpill trys to paint...

All the couples on this video are also oofy doofy right? All the below average looking men are oofy doofys... Damn... then what is even the point of being on this looksmaxxing forum? We should be fucking moneymaxxing, working that juicy 9 to 5 and opening and lubing our assholes for her...
https://www.mgtow.tv/watch/wraw4-th...low-blackpill-tfl-doomer_rgYD6tZozGLFqPe.html


7 - I already said this multiple times, Tinder and dating apps are only good for the perception of looks level you have for the average women, an indicator of your attractiveness... The algorithm like in every other app is optimized to trigger impulsive behavior and maximize screen time. Thats why you rarely see people seriously looking for ltrs on tinder, in fact tinder is most of the time the last resort people use to look for a relationship, because its mostly superficial swiping and instant gratification.


Sure there are truths on the blackpill but it clearly isnt an universal truth...



 
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Most of your post is a actually the perfect example of what happens when someone memorizes the blackpill gospel but forgets to think for himself.

Let me just start by saying most of what you wrote I've seen this being said 10000x by rehab room or what else...

1 - Blackpillers on this forum didnt remove any blindfold XDXD let’s be real... They just saw a couple of edited videos on tiktok or youtube of Chico or Opry mogging some below average dude in public and getting female attention. That’s it. That’s the entire foundation of their and your so called "awakening". They watched a few cherry-picked clips, correlated them with blackpill talking points, and suddenly decided, “Yup, I’m blackpilled now.” They didnt reach this conclusion through any deep thinking, critical observation, or life experience. They were just impressionable and easily influenced.

2 - Brah Cherry picking is still cherry picking... What do you want me to tell you? Yes, sexual selection exists. Yes, humans are judged on looks, but using only extremes to represent every interaction is retarded. It doesn’t reflect real life, where most people are just average and have normal experiences. Using the most attractive and least attractive people to "prove" a point isnt accurate... It creates an obvious false reality where being average is also seen as failure, and In every corner of this forum you see average people...

3 - Again... Yes, women subconsciously pick up on of health indicatores and masculinity but im quite sure real life isnt a lab experiment... So yeah bro just have hunter eyes and cheekbones, and BOOM you are a PSL god!!! Every woman will wet themselfs just looking at those hunter eyes!!:feelsgood::feelsgood:



5/6 - "Yet you’ve spotted the exception that proves the rule"

Ahm... No I never said that

"If you examine their relationships closely, nearly it is always conditional, transactional, or merely stable conveniences. Desire? Passion? Rarely found."

Yeah bro I watch rehab rooms videos too... The oofy doofy theory... Again surely it might happen or it might not happen... This happens every time, everywhere, where there's a clearly attractive girl dating someone below average the instant thought of a men watching this couple is "Yeah he must b rich" or something like that... The jealousy instantly talks in their ears...

I have the same example of this happening irl, Best looking girl at my gym, since I started working in here, everybody, but I mean E V E R Y B O D Y, telling me that her clearly below average bf (He's tall tho) only has her cause he is rich... Talked to her for sometime and the reality is he aint rich at all... He is a fucking taxi driver, and they are together for years, they started dating when she was giga fat, now she is pretty much the stacy of that gym and she still chooses to be with him, even without kids involved...

This doesnt make the rule ofc, but this to say relationships are way more than just looks or money as the blackpill trys to paint...

All the couples on this video are also oofy doofy right? All the below average looking men are oofy doofys... Damn... then what is even the point of being on this looksmaxxing forum? We should be fucking moneymaxxing, working that juicy 9 to 5 and opening and lubing our assholes for her...
https://www.mgtow.tv/watch/wraw4-th...low-blackpill-tfl-doomer_rgYD6tZozGLFqPe.html


7 - I already said this multiple times, Tinder and dating apps are only good for the perception of looks level you have for the average women, an indicator of your attractiveness... The algorithm like in every other app is optimized to trigger impulsive behavior and maximize screen time. Thats why you rarely see people seriously looking for ltrs on tinder, in fact tinder is most of the time the last resort people use to look for a relationship, because its mostly superficial swiping and instant gratification.


Sure there are truths on the blackpill but it clearly isnt an universal truth...
Well said. In the end. We will see where we end up. Farewell.
 
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