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I'm about to run a stack of
Test E
CJC-1295
Ghk-cu
Ipamorelin
The stuff itself is already milking me dry so my question here is what bloodwork/ health indicators should I have tested before/during the cycle or is it just testosterone that I should keep an eye on
 
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I'm about to run a stack of
Test E
CJC-1295
Ghk-cu
Ipamorelin
The stuff itself is already milking me dry so my question here is what bloodwork/ health indicators should I have tested before/during the cycle or is it just testosterone that I should keep an eye on
whats the goal?
 
any major vitamin/nutrient deficiencies, when i say major i mean its practically non existent inside your blood, liver and kidney, and testosterone level
 
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I'm about to run a stack of
Test E
CJC-1295
Ghk-cu
Ipamorelin
The stuff itself is already milking me dry so my question here is what bloodwork/ health indicators should I have tested before/during the cycle or is it just testosterone that I should keep an eye on
well you could do a cancer test ig
 
I'm about to run a stack of
Test E
CJC-1295
Ghk-cu
Ipamorelin
The stuff itself is already milking me dry so my question here is what bloodwork/ health indicators should I have tested before/during the cycle or is it just testosterone that I should keep an eye on
ask chat gpt
 
Test, E2, liver, HbA1c (not as relevant but still important if you are taking anything that can raise blood sugar), electrolytes, full blood count, random lipids test.
Google is free.
 
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JFL ass accutane is worse it fucks your liver. pmo its only for severe acne cases . why do mfs on here reccomend it for fucking everyone
Because the impact of isotretinoin on any normal person's liver is so negligible. For most, their liver enzymes are not elevated whatsoever after prolonged use.
If you're so concerned, take NAC and TUDCA.
Stop fearmongering a basic oral retinoid.
 
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Test, E2, liver, HbA1c (not as relevant but still important if you are taking anything that can raise blood sugar), electrolytes, full blood count, random lipids test.
Google is free.
i never test hba or liver or electrolytes am I cooked
 
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Because the impact of isotretinoin on any normal person's liver is so negligible. For most, their liver enzymes are not elevated whatsoever after prolonged use.
If you're so concerned, take NAC and TUDCA.
Stop fearmongering a basic oral retinoid.
im saying ppl be taking extreme measures for little ammounts of acne that can be fixed with a good diet tf
 
Because the impact of isotretinoin on any normal person's liver is so negligible. For most, their liver enzymes are not elevated whatsoever after prolonged use.
If you're so concerned, take NAC and TUDCA.
Stop fearmongering a basic oral retinoid.
nac is so goated if it was a foid i would have sex with it
 
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i never test hba or liver or electrolytes am I cooked
No. As long as you're not already a potential candidate for T2D and not taking double digit amounts of HGH daily, then you're probably fine.
Electrolytes is also less relevant.
Get them done next time though.
 
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im saying ppl be taking extreme measures for little ammounts of acne that can be fixed with a good diet tf
OP is going to be taking testosterone which will inevitably raise DHT and consequently upregulate sebaceous gland activity. From his profile picture, which I am assuming is him, he is a teenager and should not be taking a 5ARi, so his next best option is isotretinoin and/or a topical anti-androgen like Winlevi to mitigate the increase in sebum production he will notice after hopping on.
This is not some random case where the layman just wants to run isotretinoin for the fun of it. I am considering the context of the thread. Use your head here.
 
I never test hba or liver or electrolytes am I cooked
Nah bro

Test, E2, liver, HbA1c (not as relevant but still important if you are taking anything that can raise blood sugar), electrolytes, full blood count, random lipids test.

I would do lipids (HDL,LDL, Triglycerides) and liver (AST, ALT) if you are short on money

Doing testosterone ONLY while on cycle like OP said makes no sense. Only reason to do it is if you test E2 too so you can see your ratio and adjust if it’s too high and you are getting symptoms.

So those ones + Testosterone and E2. If the cycle is done then I wouldn’t even test the E2 fuck that shit.
 
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Nah bro



I would do lipids (HDL,LDL, Triglycerides) and liver (AST, ALT) if you are short on money

Doing testosterone ONLY while on cycle like OP said makes no sense. Only reason to do it is if you test E2 too so you can see your ratio and adjust if it’s too high and you are getting symptoms.

So those ones + Testosterone and E2. If the cycle is done then I wouldn’t even test the E2 fuck that shit.
Yes, get blood work before, during and after of course. I don't think OP thought otherwise.
 
OP is going to be taking testosterone which will inevitably raise DHT and consequently upregulate sebaceous gland activity. From his profile picture, which I am assuming is him, he is a teenager and should not be taking a 5ARi, so his next best option is isotretinoin and/or a topical anti-androgen like Winlevi to mitigate the increase in sebum production he will notice after hopping on.
This is not some random case where the layman just wants to run isotretinoin for the fun of it. I am considering the context of the thread. Use your head here.
telling a teenager with barely any acne to ditch ghk and hop on accutane is wild. ghk-cu is safe, anti-inflammatory, helps skin heal, and doesn’t fuck your liver or mess your bloodwork. accutane is literally for severe acne that’s failed everything else not some just in case pill. you don’t give someone a fucking grenade when they asked for a sponge. Problem is ppl be dropping out and reccomending accutane to everyone like tf is wrong with you subhuman
 
telling a teenager with barely any acne to ditch ghk and hop on accutane is wild. ghk-cu is safe, anti-inflammatory, helps skin heal, and doesn’t fuck your liver or mess your bloodwork. accutane is literally for severe acne that’s failed everything else not some just in case pill. you don’t give someone a fucking grenade when they asked for a sponge. Problem is ppl be dropping out and reccomending accutane to everyone like tf is wrong with you subhuman
Ghk isn’t some god particle boy
 
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telling a teenager with barely any acne to ditch ghk and hop on accutane is wild. ghk-cu is safe, anti-inflammatory, helps skin heal, and doesn’t fuck your liver or mess your bloodwork. accutane is literally for severe acne that’s failed everything else not some just in case pill. you don’t give someone a fucking grenade when they asked for a sponge. Problem is ppl be dropping out and reccomending accutane to everyone like tf is wrong with you subhuman
Did you actually read what I said? GHK-CU is not preventative. OP will likely get acne on-cycle.
You have no idea what you're talking about and continue virtue signalling because "muh accutane bad". I spoke to you politely, didn't insult you, gave you valid reasoning, and you call me a subhuman.
You also have given shit advice in other threads but I'm not asked to call you out on your evident retardation.
Learn what you're talking about before you're talking about it. I have already addressed all of the points in this response and you keep repeating yourself like paraphrasing your points implies you've made a different point. Dumbass :lul:
 
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Ghk isn’t some god particle boy
never said ghk was magic just that it’s a way smarter thing to do than handing out accutane like candy. it helps skin barrier, reduces inflammation, and doesn’t come with the fuckshit list of systemic side effects. youre supposed to use accutane when nothing else works not when a dude has clear skin
 
never said ghk was magic just that it’s a way smarter thing to do than handing out accutane like candy. it helps skin barrier, reduces inflammation, and doesn’t come with the fuckshit list of systemic side effects. youre supposed to use accutane when nothing else works not when a dude has clear skin
Feel free to let me know what the "systemic side effects" on a low dose of isotretinoin are.
 
Did you actually read what I said? GHK-CU is not preventative. OP will likely get acne on-cycle.
You have no idea what you're talking about and continue virtue signalling because "muh accutane bad". I spoke to you politely, didn't insult you, gave you valid reasoning, and you call me a subhuman.
You also have given shit advice in other threads but I'm not asked to call you out on your evident retardation.
Learn what you're talking about before you're talking about it. I have already addressed all of the points in this response and you keep repeating yourself like paraphrasing your points implies you've made a different point. Dumbass :lul:
i read what you wrote, you’re just talking like you know the future. “likely” isn’t a diagnosis. ghk-cu works for skin health without trashing someone’s liver, and it makes way more sense to try that before accutane. acting like going straight to iso is the only “smart” move just shows you don’t actually get how treatment escalation works. you’re pushing heavy meds for a maybe. that’s clueless, retard.
 
Feel free to let me know what the "systemic side effects" on a low dose of isotretinoin are.
even low dose iso can screw with your lipids, bump liver enzymes, wreck mucous membranes, and cause joint pain or mood changes. it’s still systemic, it’s still hitting your whole body, and it’s still not something you hand to a teenager “just in case.” Just cause youre taking a low dose dosnt mean its harmeless
 
never said ghk was magic just that it’s a way smarter thing to do than handing out accutane like candy. it helps skin barrier, reduces inflammation, and doesn’t come with the fuckshit list of systemic side effects. youre supposed to use accutane when nothing else works not when a dude has clear skin
even low dose iso can screw with your lipids, bump liver enzymes, wreck mucous membranes, and cause joint pain or mood changes. it’s still systemic, it’s still hitting your whole body, and it’s still not something you hand to a teenager “just in case.” Just cause youre taking a low dose dosnt mean its harmeless
He’s hopping on steroids boy the just a teenager is out of question take 500mg test and lmk how ghk works out for you
 
i read what you wrote, you’re just talking like you know the future. “likely” isn’t a diagnosis.
Did you know that obese people are also likely to develop T2D? Just because something is not guaranteed, does not mean you should not take steps to prevent said thing from occurring. How is this something I need to explain?

ghk-cu works for skin health without trashing someone’s liver, and it makes way more sense to try that before accutane. acting like going straight to iso is the only “smart” move just shows you don’t actually get how treatment escalation works. you’re pushing heavy meds for a maybe. that’s clueless, retard.
"heavy meds", "treatment escalation". Whole lot of buzz words. A low dose of isotretinoin will literally not raise liver enzymes whatsoever even after prolonged use, especially if OP uses NAC and TUDCA (redundant but whatever).
I am going to assume that because you omitted any other side effects, that the only "systemic side effect" from isotretinoin use that you're familiar with is that the medication is hepatotoxic. I can't believe you've tried to argue with me and your go-to was the fact that isotretinoin was liver toxic, not any of the more nuanced, rare sides (emphasis on rare). You are genuinely an idiot.
Get a grip dude, you are fearmongering such a basic medication. Actual brainlet.
 
even low dose iso can screw with your lipids, bump liver enzymes, wreck mucous membranes, and cause joint pain or mood changes. it’s still systemic, it’s still hitting your whole body, and it’s still not something you hand to a teenager “just in case.” Just cause youre taking a low dose dosnt mean its harmeless
It's clear to me now that you're reciting ChatGPT because this is not true, the follow-up compound-complex sentences as well make it very obvious.
Again, OP can take NAC and TUDCA if he is so concerned, but you coincidentally omit my mention of NAC and TUDCA from every reply you make. Actual idiot, at least address my whole argument.
I am not handing it to a teenager "just in case", OP is literally going to start using steroids, and the problem you have with this thread is that I am recommending isotretinoin? Are you actually that dense?
 
even low dose iso can screw with your lipids, bump liver enzymes, wreck mucous membranes, and cause joint pain or mood changes. it’s still systemic, it’s still hitting your whole body, and it’s still not something you hand to a teenager “just in case.” Just cause youre taking a low dose dosnt mean its harmeless
I'm not going to reply to you anymore because you know nothing. Read up on some literature and then get back to me, you impressionable dog.
 
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Did you know that obese people are also likely to develop T2D? Just because something is not guaranteed, does not mean you should not take steps to prevent said thing from occurring. How is this something I need to explain?


"heavy meds", "treatment escalation". Whole lot of buzz words. A low dose of isotretinoin will literally not raise liver enzymes whatsoever even after prolonged use, especially if OP uses NAC and TUDCA (redundant but whatever).
I am going to assume that because you omitted any other side effects, that the only "systemic side effect" from isotretinoin use that you're familiar with is that the medication is hepatotoxic. I can't believe you've tried to argue with me and your go-to was the fact that isotretinoin was liver toxic, not any of the more nuanced, rare sides (emphasis on rare). You are genuinely an idiot.
Get a grip dude, you are fearmongering such a basic medication. Actual brainlet.
your t2d comparison is dogshit, cutting carbs and exercising isn’t remotely the same as handing out a systemic retinoid to a teenager “just in case.” you keep hyper-fixating on liver enzymes like I never mentioned anything else, when iso’s side effect profile is bigger than that: elevated triglycerides, mucous membrane issues, dry eyes, joint pain, and yes, mood changes. these don’t vanish because you throw in NAC or TUDCA that’s redditcell science, not a clinical guarantee.

and stop acting like a low dose means no risk. the dose response curve isn’t a binary switch, it’s a gradient, and teenagers are already in a hormonally volatile state. you’re pitching a drug with systemic impact for someone who doesn’t even have the condition yet. that’s not prevention, that’s medicating a maybe, and it’s exactly why treatment escalation exists. you can call it buzzwords all you want, but that’s literally how evidence-based medicine is practiced.
 
It's clear to me now that you're reciting ChatGPT because this is not true, the follow-up compound-complex sentences as well make it very obvious.
Again, OP can take NAC and TUDCA if he is so concerned, but you coincidentally omit my mention of NAC and TUDCA from every reply you make. Actual idiot, at least address my whole argument.
I am not handing it to a teenager "just in case", OP is literally going to start using steroids, and the problem you have with this thread is that I am recommending isotretinoin? Are you actually that dense?

you keep mixing “prevention” with “hand out a systemic drug to a teen.” guidelines don’t back prophylactic isotretinoin. it’s indicated for severe acne or cases that fail standard therapy, not “kid might break out on cycle.” show a guideline that says otherwise. J
“low dose = harmless” is wrong. even at low doses, iso can shift lipids and bump liver enzymes, plus the usual mucosal dryness and musculoskeletal complaints. that’s why baseline lipids/LFTs are still recommended in practice, even as some papers argue about frequency. low dose is still systemic.
nac/tudca aren’t a license to ignore risk. they’re not guideline-endorsed prophylaxis for isotretinoin and the evidence is generic liver-support stuff, not acne-specific risk removal. if you’re leaning on supplements to justify a drug, you already know the drug carries systemic baggage.
if acne actually appears, start with standard topicals and step up. clascoterone is a topical anti-androgen approved 12+ with minimal systemic exposure and is conditionally recommended; that’s a rational first-line in an androgenic context, not jumping to iso before there’s a problem.
stop pretending i “omitted” your point. i addressed it: nac/tudca don’t erase systemic effects, and your t2d analogy is lazy. prevention isn’t the same thing as medicating a maybe with a systemic retinoid in a teenager. if you’ve got evidence-based guidance that says “start isotretinoin preemptively when a teen begins AAS,” post it. otherwise it’s just your opinion dressed up as certainty.
 
I'm not going to reply to you anymore because you know nothing. Read up on some literature and then get back to me, you impressionable dog.
thanks for tapping out. before you run, post one derm guideline that says to start prophylactic isotretinoin in a teen with minimal acne just because he’s starting test. you can’t.
low dose dosnt equal no risk, and stacking NAC/TUDCA doesn’t make a systemic retinoid non-systemic. if you need two liver supps to justify your “basic medication,” you already know it isn’t basic.
until you can show actual guidance backing your “iso first” take, you got a big ass mouth and ur wrong:lul::lul:
 
your t2d comparison is dogshit, cutting carbs and exercising isn’t remotely the same as handing out a systemic retinoid to a teenager “just in case.” you keep hyper-fixating on liver enzymes like I never mentioned anything else, when iso’s side effect profile is bigger than that: elevated triglycerides, mucous membrane issues, dry eyes, joint pain, and yes, mood changes. these don’t vanish because you throw in NAC or TUDCA that’s redditcell science, not a clinical guarantee.
No, you just chose to misinterpret it. I am referencing research chemicals like Retatrutide, or the already FDA-approved GLP-1 agonists like Sema. I didn't make any reference to working out, did I?
Also, JFL that you think cutting carbohydrates is going to bring somebody back from being prediabetic. You again prove you know nothing.
your t2d comparison is dogshit, cutting carbs and exercising isn’t remotely the same as handing out a systemic retinoid to a teenager “just in case.” you keep hyper-fixating on liver enzymes like I never mentioned anything else, when iso’s side effect profile is bigger than that: elevated triglycerides,
It is implicit that I am talking about overarching liver health because guess how you test triglycerides bro? A fucking lipid panel, you dumb fucking idiot. You're just proving to me again and again that you know nothing.
Mucous membrane issues are rare, dry eyes are just consequent to the inhibition of lipids' gene expression. It is not so much a "side effect", that's like saying dry skin is a "side effect" of using any retinoid, when that is just consequent to the pharmacodynamics of the retinoid, you retard.
that’s redditcell science, not a clinical guarantee.
Holy shit, can you make it any more obvious that you're reciting ChatGPT? What is this fucking statement? Are you actually an idiot? Show me your ChatGPT chats right now boyo!

and stop acting like a low dose means no risk. the dose response curve isn’t a binary switch, it’s a gradient, and teenagers are already in a hormonally volatile state. you’re pitching a drug with systemic impact for someone who doesn’t even have the condition yet. that’s not prevention, that’s medicating a maybe, and it’s exactly why treatment escalation exists. you can call it buzzwords all you want, but that’s literally how evidence-based medicine is practiced.
Oh my fucking God, again with these comparisons "isn't a binary switch, it's a gradient".
Okay, so you're using ChatGPT to make your arguments for you and it is giving you positive affirmation because that is how AI works so for some reason you think you're right. JFL, you should be banned for having a brain smaller than one of my testicles.
Not replying to anything else other than just mocking you for being an AI-reliant dickhead :lul:
 
you keep mixing “prevention” with “hand out a systemic drug to a teen.” guidelines don’t back prophylactic isotretinoin. it’s indicated for severe acne or cases that fail standard therapy, not “kid might break out on cycle.” show a guideline that says otherwise. J
“low dose = harmless” is wrong. even at low doses, iso can shift lipids and bump liver enzymes, plus the usual mucosal dryness and musculoskeletal complaints. that’s why baseline lipids/LFTs are still recommended in practice, even as some papers argue about frequency. low dose is still systemic.
nac/tudca aren’t a license to ignore risk. they’re not guideline-endorsed prophylaxis for isotretinoin and the evidence is generic liver-support stuff, not acne-specific risk removal. if you’re leaning on supplements to justify a drug, you already know the drug carries systemic baggage.
if acne actually appears, start with standard topicals and step up. clascoterone is a topical anti-androgen approved 12+ with minimal systemic exposure and is conditionally recommended; that’s a rational first-line in an androgenic context, not jumping to iso before there’s a problem.
stop pretending i “omitted” your point. i addressed it: nac/tudca don’t erase systemic effects, and your t2d analogy is lazy. prevention isn’t the same thing as medicating a maybe with a systemic retinoid in a teenager. if you’ve got evidence-based guidance that says “start isotretinoin preemptively when a teen begins AAS,” post it. otherwise it’s just your opinion dressed up as certainty.
thanks for tapping out. before you run, post one derm guideline that says to start prophylactic isotretinoin in a teen with minimal acne just because he’s starting test. you can’t.
low dose dosnt equal no risk, and stacking NAC/TUDCA doesn’t make a systemic retinoid non-systemic. if you need two liver supps to justify your “basic medication,” you already know it isn’t basic.
until you can show actual guidance backing your “iso first” take, you got a big ass mouth and ur wrong:lul::lul:
Hey guys, AI lover 14 here! 14 is my age btw!
 
Hey guys, AI lover 14 here! 14 is my age btw!
@slaters just skim through the shit this idiot is saying. I'm crying :lul:

that’s a rational first-line in an androgenic context, not jumping to iso before there’s a problem.
stop pretending i “omitted” your point. i addressed it:
Like look at this shit with this AI slop hahahahaha, @Sketchyy should be culled.
 
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No, you just chose to misinterpret it. I am referencing research chemicals like Retatrutide, or the already FDA-approved GLP-1 agonists like Sema. I didn't make any reference to working out, did I?
Also, JFL that you think cutting carbohydrates is going to bring somebody back from being prediabetic. You again prove you know nothing.

It is implicit that I am talking about overarching liver health because guess how you test triglycerides bro? A fucking lipid panel, you dumb fucking idiot. You're just proving to me again and again that you know nothing.
Mucous membrane issues are rare, dry eyes are just consequent to the inhibition of lipids' gene expression. It is not so much a "side effect", that's like saying dry skin is a "side effect" of using any retinoid, when that is just consequent to the pharmacodynamics of the retinoid, you retard.

Holy shit, can you make it any more obvious that you're reciting ChatGPT? What is this fucking statement? Are you actually an idiot? Show me your ChatGPT chats right now boyo!


Oh my fucking God, again with these comparisons "isn't a binary switch, it's a gradient".
Okay, so you're using ChatGPT to make your arguments for you and it is giving you positive affirmation because that is how AI works so for some reason you think you're right. JFL, you should be banned for having a brain smaller than one of my testicles.
Not replying to anything else other than just mocking you for being an AI-reliant dickhead :lul:
bro, you’ve gone from arguing acne treatment to crying about how my sentences are too coherent to be yours. that’s not a rebuttal, that’s a concession. you still haven’t posted a single derm guideline that says “give prophylactic isotretinoin to a teen with minimal acne starting test,” because it doesn’t exist.

whether you want to call mucous membrane issues “side effects” or “pharmacodynamics” doesn’t change the fact they’re still systemic consequences of the drug. same with lipids you don’t make them disappear by pretending NAC/TUDCA is some cheat code.

all you’ve done is dodge the fact that im right. until you can back your take with actual clinical evidence instead of your own stupid shit, you’re just noise.
 
bro, you’ve gone from arguing acne treatment to crying about how my sentences are too coherent to be yours. that’s not a rebuttal, that’s a concession. you still haven’t posted a single derm guideline that says “give prophylactic isotretinoin to a teen with minimal acne starting test,” because it doesn’t exist.

whether you want to call mucous membrane issues “side effects” or “pharmacodynamics” doesn’t change the fact they’re still systemic consequences of the drug. same with lipids you don’t make them disappear by pretending NAC/TUDCA is some cheat code.

all you’ve done is dodge the fact that im right. until you can back your take with actual clinical evidence instead of your own stupid shit, you’re just noise.
DNR AI lover.
"my sentences are too coherent to be yours" doesn't even make sense. Is ChatGPT speaking to you in second-person and you forgot to phrase this differently?
 
@slaters just skim through the shit this idiot is saying. I'm crying :lul:



Like look at this shit with this AI slop hahahahaha, @Sketchyy should be culled.
Im waiting for you to back up your claim. tf you doing:lul:
 
imagine dodging every point because you got nothing to argue and now you start dissing because of a typo
That's not a typo, you misspelled a simple word. A typo would be like saying "blaem", you just don't know how to spell blame dude :lul::lul::lul:

Your critical thinking skills are unironically in the gutter cunt. I sympathise for you but fuck, I could never relate to being that naive.
 
That's not a typo, you misspelled a simple word. A typo would be like saying "blaem", you just don't know how to spell blame dude :lul::lul::lul:

Your critical thinking skills are unironically in the gutter cunt. I sympathise for you but fuck, I could never relate to being that naive.
wild work how you'll write whole ass essays over a spelling mistake but still can’t post a single source to back your take. Fucking dumbass. :lul::lul::lul:
 
That's not a typo, you misspelled a simple word. A typo would be like saying "blaem", you just don't know how to spell blame dude :lul::lul::lul:

Your critical thinking skills are unironically in the gutter cunt. I sympathise for you but fuck, I could never relate to being that naive.
Stop struggling nigga this nigger says that accutane isn’t worthy on probably all the threads I have seen with him

Probably just a retarded tiktokcel
 
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