Booked my first consultation with Ramieri. June 17.

[snowslayer]

My advice is to not trust anyone in here.

Genuinely impossible to discuss movement and degree of rotation without seeing your jaw relation.

do you think ortho w out jaw surgery is all a scam like invisalign and braces etc. Could have you solved your issues w out jaw surgery?

 

[lurking truecel]

I’ve already told you what will happened.

It’s not only about camouflaging, it’s about camouflaging a jaw relationship that is wrong. This can lead to condylar resorption.

The consequences will be severe in the long run, get your shit together. Stop procrastinating, it’s pathetic.

Remove your braces.

I mean it was 1,5 mm and its closed now. So its already done if so, also doing more surgery might aswell cause condylar resorption. Also condylar resorption happens after every bimax almost.

Also sure it causes issues but i mean many people have a dog shit bite their whole life without much condylar resorption. Maybe a few mm

I agree that it could be better but i dont trust any jaw surgeon really to give some perfect placement of jaw and condylars

 

[Denkaren]

I mean it was 1,5 mm and its closed now. So its already done if so, also doing more surgery might aswell cause condylar resorption. Also condylar resorption happens after every bimax almost.

Also sure it causes issues but i mean many people have a dog shit bite their whole life without much condylar resorption. Maybe a few mm

I agree that it could be better but i dont trust any jaw surgeon really to give some perfect placement of jaw and condylars

You’ve fallen for Ramieri’s propaganda once again (I’ve seen the video where he claims that resorption always happens). You can’t present his opinions as objective truth.

Bone resorption does definitely not always occur after jaw surgery. His patients may experience some degree of bone resorption because he jeopardizes the ramus and condyle position in almost every surgery he performs.

As long as you keep promoting him and making things up because you want a brief episode of happiness for half an hour, you’re misleading others into making the same mistake. I’ve already explained what approach you should take, if you want to convince yourself to trust the process, etc, it’s your loss.

I scrolled through some of your comments, and honestly, why did you say that Ramieri flies abroad if something goes wrong? We both know that’s a blatant lie. I’m curious why you make so many claims about him that are completely incorrect. Are you gaslighting yourself into believing he is actually good? Or does it have a darker side, projecting your own problems onto others because you want them to have the same experience as you?

I know your ambivalent regarding your results, as you should when it comes to him. I’m just reminding you that what you’re doing isn’t going to help you or others. Taking action, coming back to reality will.

 

[tyler1234]

I didn’t want to “improve” my lower third. I liked my face. I only wanted to correct the asymmetry. My lower jaw had shifted toward the right side. With the knowledge I have now, I understand that the vast majority of asymmetrical cases are due to an asymmetrical palate. This is an intraoral scan of my palate. Beside is a post showing how my tongue naturally rests. As you can see, my tongue habits during childhood weren’t ideal (probably because I always slept on my right side and always chewed on my left side).

When your sutures are loose (when you’re young), constant pressure will bend the side(alveolar bone) that has continuous pressure inward. When you’re an adult, it doesn’t matter as much because the sutures are fused (some believe they aren’t fully fused until age 70–80, I haven’t decided what’s true about that yet and need to investigate more and see proof. In any case, there can be multiple factors. Your mandible follows your tongue. As you can see, the front tongue is bent to the right → my mandible was therefore forced to the right. That was my asymmetry. It had nothing to do with the mandible itself.

Ramieri couldn’t see that, he didn’t even look at my palate. When I came to him to confront him about my breathing problem, he immediately became defensive and angry, gaslighting me, as I’ve said. It was bizarre. This was about a year ago. By that time, I had already done a lot of independent research and knew how important the palate and arch are. I told him my palate was asymmetrical.

This was basically our conversation about it. I don’t remember the exact words, but it went something like this

Me: My palate is asymmetrical. I’ve seen and measured it.
Ramieri: No, it isn’t.
Me: I’ve sent you my CBCT. Bring it up on the screen and we can measure it together.
For some reason, he brought a colleague to the discussion. The colleague was silent the entire conversation. Ramieri put the measurements on the screen.
Me: You see?! My left palate is 2 mm wider than my right.
Ramieri and his colleague looked surprised and realized I was right based on the measurements.
Ramieri: Just tell your orthodontist to expand.
Me: My asymmetry was in the palate, not the mandible.
Ramieri: (talking to himself) saying something about me having blue eyes(I have no idea about what he meant by that but I remember it very well). Maybe he implied that people with blue eyes lie, I have no idea.
Me: I have an open bite, but only on the left. I know it’s because my tongue now rests on the dental arch rather than inside it. It’s forced to push against the incisors, and since you moved my mandible and my genioglossus to the left, the force is directed toward the left incisors. Can’t you see the pattern?
Ramieri made a lot of excuses and said, “If I were to operate on you again, I would only close your open bite and bring your maxilla down. You would pay full price.”
The tension in the room was at its highest. He wrote some notes. I thought it was bizarre and left. I removed my braces one week later and started my search for a new surgeon to continue with my revision.

After studying his eyes and overall demeanor during that consultation, I realized he was a narcissist. However, I still needed to obtain all the information for the surgeon who would perform my revision, so I played along.

I received almost no answers when I brought up all my breathing issues, so I resorted to reverse psychology.

I told him I had been delusional and that I loved my results. I gave him five stars on Google (which I of course removed once I had obtained all the information I needed).
I needed to secure my complete surgical plan, the brand of the bicortical screws he used for fixation, and details about how much he flared my ramus. (This was some month after the confrontation incident).

I got everything. He could pay me, I still wouldn’t do surgery with him.




Thank you, yes it is indeed fascinating how much error there is in this field.

Very important to be cautious and do Independent research.

How wide is ur palate it looks severely narrow

 

[lurking truecel]

You’ve fallen for Ramieri’s propaganda once again (I’ve seen the video where he claims that resorption always happens). You can’t present his opinions as objective truth.

Bone resorption does definitely not always occur after jaw surgery. His patients may experience some degree of bone resorption because he jeopardizes the ramus and condyle position in almost every surgery he performs.

As long as you keep promoting him and making things up because you want a brief episode of happiness for half an hour, you’re misleading others into making the same mistake. I’ve already explained what approach you should take, if you want to convince yourself to trust the process, etc, it’s your loss.

I scrolled through some of your comments, and honestly, why did you say that Ramieri flies abroad if something goes wrong? We both know that’s a blatant lie. I’m curious why you make so many claims about him that are completely incorrect. Are you gaslighting yourself into believing he is actually good? Or does it have a darker side, projecting your own problems onto others because you want them to have the same experience as you?

I know your ambivalent regarding your results, as you should when it comes to him. I’m just reminding you that what you’re doing isn’t going to help you or others. Taking action, coming back to reality will.

Lol ramieri never said this, it was gunson the one who got teached by arnett. Its a common fact that it happens in studies. You should start looking at studies more i think. Ramieri did do that to a patient of his which i am in contact with, imits not lie but i cant confirm it but i dont get why he would lie to me.

I get why that hate ramieri for your valid reasons but i dont really get why you over hate him now.

 

[Denkaren]

How wide is ur palate it looks severely narrow

My palate is extremely narrow, yet Ramieri failed to recognize this. He did not recommend expansion, he didn’t look at my palate once before the surgery which suggests a lack of understanding of how critical a sufficiently wide palate is for proper nasal breathing, airway development and asymmetry.
It is particularly ironic given that he is supposed to conduct workshops and lectures on SARPE and MARPE. He noticed that many patients requested expansion and adapted to those demands, he has no understanding of the underlying biomechanics and importance of transverse maxillary width. A narrow maxilla is strongly associated with reduced nasal cavity volume, increased airway resistance, and compensatory mouth breathing.

He presents himself as one of the best in this area yet his forced to buy and fake likes and followers on instagram. He doesn’t understand the role a wide palate plays in craniofacial structure and respiratory function. According to me(I’m trying to be objective now) he is a fraud. A fraud that has gained traction because of his HEAVY HEAVY marketing. No serious surgeon does this much marketing, usually the result speaks for itself.

I can’t fundamentally understand how on earth he was pictured as a moral surgeon in this forum. It’s laughable.

 

[Denkaren]

Lol ramieri never said this, it was gunson the one who got teached by arnett. Its a common fact that it happens in studies. You should start looking at studies more i think. Ramieri did do that to a patient of his which i am in contact with, imits not lie but i cant confirm it but i dont get why he would lie to me.

I get why that hate ramieri for your valid reasons but i dont really get why you over hate him now.

Gunson has A LOT of botches. Send the research that suggests that condylar resorption happens every bimaxillary surgery. I know you won’t be able to because it’s not true.

“I should start look at studies” Send the studies.

I feel sorry for you if you believes that he flied abroad to help a patient. You are neurodivergent right?(no offence).

This is like speaking to a kid that thinks Santa comes on Christmas.

Is Ramieri your Santa clause this specific hour?
I guess I’ll see a new post from you in a week where he’s pictured like Krampus.

 

[lurking truecel]

Gunson has A LOT of botches. Send the research that suggests that condylar resorption happens every bimaxillary surgery. I know you won’t be able to because it’s not true.

“I should start look at studies” Send the studies.

I feel sorry for you if you believes that he flied abroad to help a patient. You are neurodivergent right?(no offence).

This is like speaking to a kid that thinks Santa comes on Christmas.

Is Ramieri your Santa clause this specific hour?
I guess I’ll see a new post from you in a week where he’s pictured like Krampus.

You are neurodovergent if you dont think all surgeons have some botches, are you a blind fool on christmas eve. Santa isnt real. You have been retarded by some myofunctional shit. Every retard who had bimax have some complications. Maybe your myofunctional theories doesnt go hand in hand with surgery. Just be born perfect right ? Unlucky bro, stop being a moron

 

[Denkaren]

You are neurodovergent if you dont think all surgeons have some botches, are you a blind fool on christmas eve. Santa isnt real. You have been retarded by some myofunctional shit. Every retard who had bimax have some complications. Maybe your myofunctional theories doesnt go hand in hand with surgery. Just be born perfect right ? Unlucky bro, stop being a moron

I feel sorry for you kiddo.

Good luck with your open bite, long term functional issues and sunken appearance(when the braces are done).

 

[lurking truecel]

I feel sorry for you kiddo.

Good luck with your open bite, long term functional issues and sunken appearance(when the braces are done).

My open bote was 1 mm on one side. Its closed and functions good. All people age and detoriate. Just because you got setbacked and now look even more recessed meanwhile i moved forward a lot and look a lot better. Thats just your own fault, you just got scammed hahah. Get rekt son, doing revision lower jaw will just make your condyles detoriate faster. Its over dor you man give up.

 

[Denkaren]

My open bote was 1 mm on one side. Its closed and functions good. All people age and detoriate. Just because you got setbacked and now look even more recessed meanwhile i moved forward a lot and look a lot better. Thats just your own fault, you just got scammed hahah. Get rekt son, doing revision lower jaw will just make your condyles detoriate faster. Its over dor you man give up.

Whatever makes you sleep my friend!

 

[lurking truecel]

Whatever makes you sleep my friend!

I mean you obv cant sleep because you got choked by setback man, its over. Also setback is 10 x riskier for everything

 

[Denkaren]

I mean you obv cant sleep because you got choked by setback man, its over. Also setback is 10 x riskier for everything

whatever closes your open bite and long term functional issues my friend!