Can he make a stone that he can't lift?
Yea ngl I don't even bother thinking about this stuff cause it's pointless, literally impossible to answer
Saturn hexagon, bunch of energy fields going counter clockwise just like muslims do around the kabba. Muslim turn around the Kabba 7 times, which if i remember correctly was what the pagan tribes that were there already doing. 7 is the number of saturn in astrolgy.
He can lift a rock that even he can’t lift apparently
With god free will can exist or cannot? im sorry im confused
do you know what the theistic definition of omnipotence is? it is not the ability to do anything like a lot of people think
Hmmm, God knew everything would do before he created us. U have an illusion of free will, u might think oh i can choose to eat healthy or unhealthy but that was already determined before ur existence
As long as the logic holds omnipotency is pretty much having the capablity to do anything. Making a rock he cant lift isnt logical because its a negetive so they are wrong by using that argument
why does foreknowledge = determinism?
Depends on definition of free will which also has been debated since beginnings of man.
because he doesnt just know, he created u. If i happen to know ur future as a fellow human being i still didnt decide ur choices because im not ur creator. If im a creator and i make a human being and already have the knowladge of every choice he would make before creating him free will cant logically exist
Meteorologiests didnt create weather
I heard this argument, yes pagans used to circle around THEIR OWN STATUE Islam came and changed the act and changed lots of its rules, one of them is to wear a modest wear during it unlike pagans doing it naked also what does that change if Muslims spin 7 times like pagans ( pretty sure they didn’t spin 7) but they worship god instead of pagan statues
but by your logic acts would depend on knowledge not the other way around
If u wanna ignore the obv lines that connect ur religion to saturn worship its fine, i mean u probably grew up muslim and its hard for people to let go of things they have been thought since they knew themselfs.
That doesnt make sense because he created u and all the circumstances and desires that would make u act a certain way.
Elaborate on which point I missed, correlation isn’t the same as causation, ur simply saying attributes equal identity, paganism is simply not worshipping god
right your logic in that reply does not make sense. Right now you are already presupposing a deterministic worldview
and how does creating circumstances = being cause of act
The same way God didn’t lead us into certain situations. It would be dishonest and without accountability to say God lead us to having a prison sentence because he knew we were going to murder someone so therefore it’s His fault.
Its not pointless, its healthy enertiament for me. saying "there are no gods" is just as pointless because clearly the world started somehwere, and we know logically for something to get started there has to be a creator. Or maybe the universe was created by itself which breaks logic but that ig u can also say who created god which also breaks logic but hey both of them are possibliteis
There’s a huge problem in your last argument, your using a self contradictory premise/category error
If u build a building with a weak link in an area with reguler earthquakes and the building collaps its not the buildings fault.
Just u like u can create something, while being created. God is only all powerful if u attruibute omnipotency to him which not everybody does.
Why are you comparing creatures with inferior pre frontal cortex development to us tho??
its a circular argument. it only follows that humans have no agency if determinism is true, which you havent established
God in religion overall is a diety with power as a central attribute but definitely more attributes like oneness, there’s no where where it says god is only power, btw your using a source where the authors are unknown and it’s not proven who wrote it and not even in the original language Jesus spoke, highly unreliable, while also I’m arguing with you in Islamic POV, cuz it’s the only religion where the book is in its main language and known who wrote it and under who and who gave the teachings
But than why would God even tell Jonah to speard the word if he knew he would flee? Its simple, because that was the only way it was gonna happen which he already knew before creating him. So there is no free will in there.
Yo also search up “born believers” book it’s a study
An omnipotent god makes determnism true. U can argue god is not omnipotent if u want but than u should step out of this convo
"it just is!" youre not arguing with me, youre just asserting things
Im saying the word "god" means power. Its pointless to argue from an islamic pov since its a copy of the original monotheism faith but even than. Allah is his title in islam. In the israelite faith he has a name and a couple titles. Yahweh, Elohim etc
define omnipotency
The ability to actualize all genuine potencies
It js dosent, your source is an distorted changed book who we don’t even know wrote it, ask anyone u see on street research all say god is a all powerful necessary existence
The truth doesnt evolve nor change. U thinking ur copy cat religion is the "right one" is very very cocky
Well it’s not if it’s the only truly preserved one while others are js changed
The people of Moses and the people of Christ are the same people. They didn’t get different gospels, the truth doesn’t change. Christ came to fulfil the law not change it. They didn’t get bible is not a religious book it’s a history book. Islam quite frankly is just a copy.
It says gospel not bible, show me where Quran says bible, it clearly says gospel, nonetheless the people are the same they js had different sins thus other rules came to prohibit these things they did
if it does exist and we do have actual free will then we are Gods, and nobody else.
Pretty much
rules can definitely change it depends on era more specifically
True doesn’t change, god doesn’t change. “Nothing is new under the sun”
Truth dosent, but for example why would god forbid weed for people who don’t use
Yes?
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hmas aquinas teaches in the Summa Theologiae (I, q.83, a.1), man possesses free choice because he is rational, and reason is ordered toward the apprehension of the good under diverse aspects. God’s omnipotence doesnt compete with human freedom, bc he causes things according to their nature thus He moves the will in a way that preserves its freedom rather than destroying it (I, q.105, a.4). In classical theology divine causality is not coercive but foundational:
