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Id like to clarify a few things regarding cheekbones, in response to these 2 threads that I came across
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In the 1st thread, OP says that flat cheekbones are ideal because according to him they're more masculine. Well, I disagree with that and here's why:
First of all, let's talk about Brad Pitt's supposed "flat cheekbones".
Brad pitt has strong cheekbones, they just look flat-ish because he has very strong lateral orbital rims as well. His lateral orbital rims are almost aligned with the vertical plane passing through the zygo and the browridge (take a look at the right picture). So, he's got a good cheekbone support, BUT his insane lateral orbital rims make them look flatter. And I'm aware that wide temples can provide the same effect (in a few cases), but what matters is to at least give the illusion of projecting lateral orbit. rims.
The same thing applies to Harry styles, Tom Holland and Chris Hemsworth. Let's take Tom Holland. See how when I set back his lateral orbital rim, his cheekbones look so much more prominent ? Yeah, it's an optical illusion.
We all know that the vertical position of the cheekbones is a dimorphic feature -> High set = masculine, low set = feminine.
But there's more than that. Projecting lateral/supra orbital rims relative to the zygos are a masculine feature as well. But that doesn't mean that flat cheekbones are ideal. In fact, flat cheekbones (and bone recession in general) is a neotenous feature. By the way, a neotenous feature is a feature that remind us of babies, which is not to be mistaken with feminine features which remind us of girls/women. Neoteny and femininity are both related but very different. Women have, on average, features that are more neotenous, but not all neotenous features are desired in women (a flat nose bridge or sparse eyebrows for example).
I haven't seen anyone talk about the prominence of lateral and supra orbitals relative to the zygomatic arch when assessing facial dimorphism.
Btw, I will make a huge megathread where I will talk about the fundamental differences between neoteny and dimorphism maybe in a few days (you will learn that strictly neotenous features are worse than strictly feminine features in men, for example).
This guy altered his face with an app, making him look like a child. Notice how sparse eyebrows or a flat nose/lack of facial depth are neotenous features, but they're not desired in females.
Babies have recessed bone structures with a lot of fat on their faces & hypertrophied buccinators (chubby cheeks), giving them an "inverted" ogee curve. Men and women both typically have upturned ogee curves (because well developed adults have more bone mass and are more robust. This is exactly why facial depth might be the most important aspect of a face, it is "anti-neotenous").
An inverted ogee curve can ONLY happen when a person has a combination of high bodyfat with/without a recessed zygomatic arch. So, flat cheekbones are neotenous. Prominent cheekbones are what I would call "anti-neotenous". Men and women are both supposed to have prominent cheekbones, but men must have even more prominent supra and lateral orbitals to look more masculine.
Let's take a look at this surgical result. This guy got cheekbone implants. Here's a more ideal version of the surgical outcome on the right picture (it's a morph). I moved his supra and lateral orbital rims forward.
This means that, for any of you guys who want to get cheekbone implants, you might need to include lateral and upper portions of the orbits in your custom design.
Just use this line of reference (the vertical line), and make sure that the zygo point does not go beyond this line.
As for how to measure the amount of lateral orbital rim projection (compared to the zygo/supra), I will use what I call the zygofrontal angle (I named it like that because the zygofrontal bone is located there). If you disregard the vertical positions of the Sm and Z points, the magnitude of the zygofrontal angle will indicate the amount of projection of the lateral orb. rim (relative to the Sm and Z points). The more projected, the higher the angle (and inversely). I still haven't tested it out yet, but I wanted to wait until I could at least gather some data by studying chad faces and then make a statistical analysis.
Flat and high cheekbones are ideal in men.
I had enough of people taking about how 'PROMINENT CHEEKBONES' are what makes you attractive to women. This is absolutely not the case as prominent cheekbones are good on models due to the fact that their reflect light better. Flat cheekbones are literally ideal...
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Does Mikkelsen's cheekbones look uncanny?
What the fuck is that? I have flat cheekbones, mirin hard Mikkelsen's ones. :feelswah:
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In the 1st thread, OP says that flat cheekbones are ideal because according to him they're more masculine. Well, I disagree with that and here's why:
First of all, let's talk about Brad Pitt's supposed "flat cheekbones".
Brad pitt has strong cheekbones, they just look flat-ish because he has very strong lateral orbital rims as well. His lateral orbital rims are almost aligned with the vertical plane passing through the zygo and the browridge (take a look at the right picture). So, he's got a good cheekbone support, BUT his insane lateral orbital rims make them look flatter. And I'm aware that wide temples can provide the same effect (in a few cases), but what matters is to at least give the illusion of projecting lateral orbit. rims.
The same thing applies to Harry styles, Tom Holland and Chris Hemsworth. Let's take Tom Holland. See how when I set back his lateral orbital rim, his cheekbones look so much more prominent ? Yeah, it's an optical illusion.
We all know that the vertical position of the cheekbones is a dimorphic feature -> High set = masculine, low set = feminine.
But there's more than that. Projecting lateral/supra orbital rims relative to the zygos are a masculine feature as well. But that doesn't mean that flat cheekbones are ideal. In fact, flat cheekbones (and bone recession in general) is a neotenous feature. By the way, a neotenous feature is a feature that remind us of babies, which is not to be mistaken with feminine features which remind us of girls/women. Neoteny and femininity are both related but very different. Women have, on average, features that are more neotenous, but not all neotenous features are desired in women (a flat nose bridge or sparse eyebrows for example).
I haven't seen anyone talk about the prominence of lateral and supra orbitals relative to the zygomatic arch when assessing facial dimorphism.
Btw, I will make a huge megathread where I will talk about the fundamental differences between neoteny and dimorphism maybe in a few days (you will learn that strictly neotenous features are worse than strictly feminine features in men, for example).
This guy altered his face with an app, making him look like a child. Notice how sparse eyebrows or a flat nose/lack of facial depth are neotenous features, but they're not desired in females.
Babies have recessed bone structures with a lot of fat on their faces & hypertrophied buccinators (chubby cheeks), giving them an "inverted" ogee curve. Men and women both typically have upturned ogee curves (because well developed adults have more bone mass and are more robust. This is exactly why facial depth might be the most important aspect of a face, it is "anti-neotenous").
An inverted ogee curve can ONLY happen when a person has a combination of high bodyfat with/without a recessed zygomatic arch. So, flat cheekbones are neotenous. Prominent cheekbones are what I would call "anti-neotenous". Men and women are both supposed to have prominent cheekbones, but men must have even more prominent supra and lateral orbitals to look more masculine.
Let's take a look at this surgical result. This guy got cheekbone implants. Here's a more ideal version of the surgical outcome on the right picture (it's a morph). I moved his supra and lateral orbital rims forward.
This means that, for any of you guys who want to get cheekbone implants, you might need to include lateral and upper portions of the orbits in your custom design.
Just use this line of reference (the vertical line), and make sure that the zygo point does not go beyond this line.
As for how to measure the amount of lateral orbital rim projection (compared to the zygo/supra), I will use what I call the zygofrontal angle (I named it like that because the zygofrontal bone is located there). If you disregard the vertical positions of the Sm and Z points, the magnitude of the zygofrontal angle will indicate the amount of projection of the lateral orb. rim (relative to the Sm and Z points). The more projected, the higher the angle (and inversely). I still haven't tested it out yet, but I wanted to wait until I could at least gather some data by studying chad faces and then make a statistical analysis.
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