Choosing between European jaw surgeons

[MandibularCel]

I have proposals from Raffaini, Zarrinbal and Defrancq. R and D are offering straight bimax with genioplasty. Z is offering bimax with CCW rotation and chin wing. To those knowledgeable about orthognatic surgery: which of these three is likely to give the best aesthetic result? Which is the most blackpilled? The price is roughly the same for all 3 (~$15k).

 

[Deleted member 2933]

go to the balkans

 

[MandibularCel]

go to the balkans

I don't really wanna risk having it done in some Balkan shithole tbh, unless they have world-class maxfac surgeons

 

[PubertyMaxxer]

I have proposals from Raffaini, Zarrinbal and Defrancq. R and D are offering straight bimax with genioplasty. Z is offering bimax with CCW rotation and chin wing. To those knowledgeable about orthognatic surgery: which of these three is likely to give the best aesthetic result? Which is the most blackpilled? The price is roughly the same for all 3 (~$15k).

Ask Defranq if a high uplsiding lefort 1 + midface implants + bsso can achieve a result like lefort 3

 

[MandibularCel]

Ask Defranq if a high uplsiding lefort 1 + midface implants + bsso can achieve a result like lefort 3

Yeah he has suggested "high cheekbone implants" with peek. I will ask him to be more specific. Only thing is, it would increase the price by 8k. Same with Z who has suggested ZSO.

 

[Deleted member 2933]

I don't really wanna risk having it done in some Balkan shithole tbh, unless they have world-class maxfac surgeons

Never question the Senate

https://looksmax.org/threads/where-...rgery-in-3rd-world-countries-came-from.83027/

 

[MandibularCel]

Never question the Senate

https://looksmax.org/threads/where-...rgery-in-3rd-world-countries-came-from.83027/

So who is the best surgeon in the Balkans?

 

[Deleted member 2933]

So who is the best surgeon in the Balkans?

I dont know, google it.

 

[MandibularCel]

I dont know, google it.

Lol so you're giving advice without having any knowledge whatsoever? I'll pass on the 3rd world tbqh

 

[Deleted member 2933]

Lol so you're giving advice without having any knowledge whatsoever? I'll pass on the 3rd world tbqh

Go to https://www.realself.com/orthognathic-surgery, this is not a looksmaxing forum, no one here has surgery at all, so pointless asking those things here.

Never question the Senate

 

[MandibularCel]

Go to https://www.realself.com/orthognathic-surgery, this is not a looksmaxing forum, no one he has surgery at all, so pointless asking those things here.

Never question the Senate

I know for a fact some users here are knowledgeable about orthognatic surgery.

I've done about 15 months of research and you are the first person to recommend a third world surgeon jfl

 

[Gosick]

did they mention how many mms each jaw is coming foward?


also a picture of your scan would be helpful

 

[Deleted member 2933]

I know for a fact some users here are knowledgeable about orthognatic surgery.

I've done about 15 months of research and you are the first person to recommend a third world surgeon jfl

You are new here my fellow pleb. Ask those same "knowledgeable" users if they even had a surgery or went to a consult with orthognatic a Dr or anyone.

Never question the Senate

 

[Gosick]

I have proposals from Raffaini, Zarrinbal and Defrancq. R and D are offering straight bimax with genioplasty. Z is offering bimax with CCW rotation and chin wing. To those knowledgeable about orthognatic surgery: which of these three is likely to give the best aesthetic result? Which is the most blackpilled? The price is roughly the same for all 3 (~$15k).

Raffaini

is the most blackpilled in my opinion

 

[PubertyMaxxer]

Yeah he has suggested "high cheekbone implants" with peek. I will ask him to be more specific. Only thing is, it would increase the price by 8k. Same with Z who has suggested ZSO.

Ask him whether getting a high upsliding lefort 1 and getting malar infraorbital/paranasal midface implants with it would produce lefort 3 type results since you cover the whole lefort 3 area

In terms of forward growth

 

[Gosick]

go to the balkans

dude fck off with reccomending ppl to go to 3rd world shitholes to get invasive surgery done.

some retard might actually take that advice and end up fcked up or something.

Ask him whether getting a high upsliding lefort 1 and getting malar infraorbital/paranasal midface implants with it would produce lefort 3 type results since you cover the whole lefort 3 area

In terms of forward growth
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https://looksmax.org/threads/just-booked-a-consultation-with-dr-sailer-for-jaw-surgery.82006/

i talked about this in this thread if your interested

 

[Deleted member 2933]

dude fck off with reccomending ppl to go to 3rd world shitholes to get invasive surgery done.

some retard might actually take that advice and end up fcked up or something.

Never question the Senate you pleb lurker.

https://looksmax.org/threads/where-...rgery-in-3rd-world-countries-came-from.83027/

 

[Gosick]

Never question the Senate you pleb lurker.

https://looksmax.org/threads/where-...rgery-in-3rd-world-countries-came-from.83027/

jaw surgery isnt simple like a lip lift etc you retard, jfl at going to a 3rd world shithole to get your face cut open in half and getting it done in a inferior manner.

your even proof of this in your genioplasty thread where your "surgeon" or w.e he was had to uber you to the hospital to complete lmfao

 

[MandibularCel]

jaw surgery isnt simple like a lip lift etc you retard, jfl at going to a 3rd world shithole to get your face cut open in half and getting it done in a inferior manner.

your even proof of this in your genioplasty thread where your "surgeon" or w.e he was had to uber you to the hospital to complete lmfao

He's just coping because he doesn't have the money to see a proper surgeon

 

[Deleted member 2933]

jaw surgery isnt simple like a lip lift etc you retard, jfl at going to a 3rd world shithole to get your face cut open in half and getting it done in a inferior manner.

your even proof of this in your genioplasty thread where your "surgeon" or w.e he was had to uber you to the hospital to complete lmfao

Keep miring the third-world surgeons

Never question the Senate

He's just coping because he doesn't have the money to see a proper surgeon

Sliding Genio in the 3rd world USD1.250

Never question the Senate

 

[MandibularCel]

Raffaini

is the most blackpilled in my opinion

Have you consulted with Raffaini before? I did like the cut of his jib but logistically he is the least appealing tbh.

 

[Deleted member 2933]

Have you consulted with Raffaini before? I did like the cut of his jib but logistically he is the least appealing tbh.

The Senate won

 

[MandibularCel]

Keep miring the third-world surgeons

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Never question the Senate


Sliding Genio in the 3rd world USD1.250

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Never question the Senate

Don't compare a simple genio to a high lefort 1, bsso, chin augmentation, and midface implants. No intelligent person would risk having all that done with some unkown thirdworlder

The Senate won

Nobody cares about this Senate shite

 

[Deleted member 2933]

Don't compare a simple genio to a high lefort 1, bsso, chin augmentation, and midface implants. No intelligent person would risk having all that done with some unkown thirdworlder

Do u wish to mire those surgeries results in the balkans my pleb?

 

[reptiles]

Ask Defranq if a high uplsiding lefort 1 + midface implants + bsso can achieve a result like lefort 3

What can achieve lefort 4.

 

[MandibularCel]

What can achieve lefort 4.

Lmao isn't that a cranial base fracture

 

[Pendejo]

Ask him whether getting a high upsliding lefort 1 and getting malar infraorbital/paranasal midface implants with it would produce lefort 3 type results since you cover the whole lefort 3 area

In terms of forward growth
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You would probably need lateral orbital rims implants too if you want to augment the area affected in a Lefort 3.

You could get a custom implant to cover the whole area.

Plastic Surgery Case Study - Custom Infraorbital-Maxillary-Malar Implant as Secondary Midface Augmentation After A LeFort I Osteotomy - Explore Plastic Surgery

A custom infrorbital-maxllary-malar implant completes the upper midface augmentation that complements a previoulsy performed LeFort I osteotomy.

exploreplasticsurgery.com

 

[reptiles]

Lmao isn't that a cranial base fracture

You tell me

 

[MandibularCel]

You tell me

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Jesus christ lmao fuck that

You would probably need lateral orbital rims implants too if you want to augment the area affected in a Lefort 3.

You could get a custom implant to cover the whole area.

Plastic Surgery Case Study - Custom Infraorbital-Maxillary-Malar Implant as Secondary Midface Augmentation After A LeFort I Osteotomy - Explore Plastic Surgery

A custom infrorbital-maxllary-malar implant completes the upper midface augmentation that complements a previoulsy performed LeFort I osteotomy.

exploreplasticsurgery.com

This is probably what Defrancq has in mind. I can see why it would cost so much. Pretty based.

 

[reptiles]

Jesus christ lmao fuck that

This is probably what Defrancq has in mind. I can see why it would cost so much. Pretty based.

It's lefort 4 though imagine this with ccw and super Bimax imagine instant ascension

 

[Pendejo]

It's lefort 4 though imagine this with ccw and super Bimax imagine instant ascension

It would be pointless, i can understand people wanting to get a modified lefort 3 but this is just ridiculous, sometimes i think you guys show interest in certain procedures just because how invasive they look, thats the reason people dont take us seriously.

What aesthetic improvement would you expect to get from it? That is mean for legit deformed people, nobody here is like that.

You will never find a surgeon willing to perform a monobloc advancement (thats how its called, not Lefort 4 lol) , let alone get CCW rotation with it... lol.

Just split your whole face and move it forward theory

Anyway you could just get forehead and browridge implants with a MLF3 (or with a Quadrangular Lefort 1 + infraorbital-malar implants, or with a Quadrangular Lefort 2 + zygo implants)

 

[Brandon10]

First of all none of the surgeons you've listed will perform any obscure Lefort3-esque made up shit some faggots here talk about.

Imo you should proceed with Prof. Raffaini, not only he's very competent but he also shares the same aesthetic perception with most people here, the sane ones at least.

 

[Pendejo]

OP could you ask Zarrinbal about the Side Wing Osteotomy? I want to know how much money it costs.

Time for a thread dedicated to the Side Wing Osteotomy

Time for a thread dedicated to the Side Wing Osteotomy

jawsurgeryforums.com

 

[reptiles]

It would be pointless, i can understand people wanting to get a modified lefort 3 but this is just ridiculous, sometimes i think you guys show interest in certain procedures just because how invasive they look, thats the reason people dont take us seriously.

What aesthetic improvement would you expect to get from it? That is mean for legit deformed people, nobody here is like that.

You will never find a surgeon willing to perform a monobloc advancement (thats how its called, not Lefort 4 lol) , let alone get CCW rotation with it... lol.

Just split your whole face and move it forward theory

Anyway you could just get forehead and browridge implants with a MLF3 (or with a Quadrangular Lefort 1 + infraorbital-malar implants, or with a Quadrangular Lefort 2 + zygo implants)

Brutal the kikes re unwilling to perform lefort 4 and ccw rotation brutal.


Also what would be the purpose? A to fraud forward growth for the entire fucking face only lefort 4 can do this with ccw rotation.from here you can try super bi max.

This can fraud actual forward growth

 

[Pendejo]

Brutal the kikes re unwilling to perform lefort 4 and ccw rotation brutal.


Also what would be the purpose? A to fraud forward growth for the entire fucking face only lefort 4 can do this with ccw rotation.from here you can try super bi max.

This can fraud actual forward growth

Read my post again, you could get forward of the whole face without having to undergo that barbaric surgery.

Implants would provide a better result in the forehead and browridge since you can desing them to change the shape or your forehead and browridge, that surgery would only move forward what you already have so if you have a non sloped flat forehead it would still look bad.

That surgery is a pipedream, forget about it.

Also what do you mean with "super bimax"?

 

[reptiles]

Read my post again, you could get forward of the whole face without having to undergo that barbaric surgery.

Implants would provide a better result in the forehead and browridge since you can desing them to change the shape or your forehead and browridge, that surgery would only move forward what you already have so if you have a non sloped flat forehead it would still look bad.

That surgery is a pipedream, forget about it.

Also what do you mean with "super bimax"?

 

[MandibularCel]

It's lefort 4 though imagine this with ccw and super Bimax imagine instant ascension

OP could you ask Zarrinbal about the Side Wing Osteotomy? I want to know how much money it costs.

Time for a thread dedicated to the Side Wing Osteotomy

Time for a thread dedicated to the Side Wing Osteotomy

jawsurgeryforums.com

Yea

Brutal the kikes re unwilling to perform lefort 4 and ccw rotation brutal.


Also what would be the purpose? A to fraud forward growth for the entire fucking face only lefort 4 can do this with ccw rotation.from here you can try super bi max.

This can fraud actual forward growth

Yeah just forget about that lf4 it's never, ever gonna happen. You almost certainly don't need it aswell.

 

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[MogTheMogger]

can raffaini do that? holy fuark

 

[reptiles]

can raffaini do that? holy fuark

I've seen arnett do variations but his waiting lists are fuck tonnes and dr sailer does something similar his is a ramus with ccw rotation similar albeit a bit different.

But the arnett guy offers this shit

 

[MogTheMogger]

I've seen arnett do variations but his waiting lists are fuck tonnes and dr sinn does something similar his is a ramus with ccw rotation similar albeit a bit different.

But the arnett guy offers this shit

Absolute lifefuel, wonder if he does lefort 2, i would ascend so hard

 

[reptiles]

Absolute lifefuel, wonder if he does lefort 2, i would ascend so hard

Gunson is your best bet he is i think cheaper though his waiting lists are longer though sailor is the only 1 hooked on the ante face trend.

1 of sailors best results like legit god tier.

gunsons results.


Both are good and both can do this but the first 1 has waiting line that can take months.And the 2nd guy is is a money hungry jew the guy charges 100 k suck my fucking dick mr sailer

 

[Deleted member 4054]

I consulted with a few big names in the US, they all knew who Raffaini was and think he's top tier. Make of it what you will

 

[reptiles]

I consulted with a few big names in the US, they all knew who Raffaini was and think he's top tier. Make of it what you will

Life fuel so far we have on this list.

a money hungry jew.

Waiting lists that make me wanna go ER.

Lets add another 1

 

[MogTheMogger]

Life fuel so far we have on this list.

a money hungry jew.

Waiting lists that make me wanna go ER.

Lets add another 1

its either a moneyhungry jew who will ascend you with jbs and girls everywhere, or waiting.

 

[Deleted member 4054]

Life fuel so far we have on this list.

a money hungry jew.

Waiting lists that make me wanna go ER.

Lets add another 1

Don't go to Sailer ffs, at this point in his career he should be accidentally running over pedestrians with a Cadillac, not performing orthognathic surgery. Gunson is very good at what he does, and is a good person to get a specific surgical plan from so you have a point of reference movement wise to judge other surgeon's plans.

 

[reptiles]

its either a moneyhungry jew who will ascend you with jbs and girls everywhere, or waiting.

Brutal options ngl 1 blue balls you the other drains your entire bank account

Don't go to Sailer ffs, at this point in his career he should be accidentally running over pedestrians with a Cadillac, not performing orthognathic surgery. Gunson is very good at what he does, and is a good person to get a specific surgical plan from so you have a point of reference movement wise to judge other surgeon's plans.

Oh the money hungry jew is growing senile brutal his results were god tier though only cause his obession was with an ante face

 

[MogTheMogger]

Don't go to Sailer ffs, at this point in his career he should be accidentally running over pedestrians with a Cadillac, not performing orthognathic surgery. Gunson is very good at what he does, and is a good person to get a specific surgical plan from so you have a point of reference movement wise to judge other surgeon's plans.

will sailer ascend me with High Upsliding LeFort I+BSSO? pls respond

 

[Deleted member 4054]

will sailer ascend me with High Upsliding LeFort I+BSSO? pls respond

He'll fall asleep during the operation and give you a high upsliding lefort V

 

[reptiles]

will sailer ascend me with High Upsliding LeFort I+BSSO? pls respond

You could also try curry eppley

Doctor Vikram Shetty

He'll fall asleep during the operation and give you a high upsliding lefort V

Damn lol