Christian Q n A thread

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

thank you for the fantastic answers! I have some follow-ups:

this is a good explanation but it doesn't consider that God is all-powerful, so it seems a bit twisted that He permitted the original sin just to show us His love through Christ when He could have simply prevented the sin from happening.
A bit extreme but it's like a doctor breaking a random person's leg just to then fix it. Sure the leg will heal at some point but why doing all that in the first place?

I like the second answer a lot, just one thing.

This is like a parent letting his own kid walking on the train tracks knowing a train will come. Not helping the kid away from the rails is the same as causing his death.

TLDR: all the tests that God put us through make us should make us develop closer to Him. However I don't understand their need, since He could foster a relationship with us and give us all the benefits that come to those who overcome tribulations without needing them in the first place (because of His powers).

Also by far one of the most interesting threads as of lately, thank you

Good analogy, but I’d offer another analogy let’s say a surgeon permits pain to save a patient. The patient might think, “Why are you cutting me open?” But the surgeon knows: “You’ll thank me later, when you’re alive and healed.” humanity was not in a perfect, finished state in Eden. Adam and Eve were innocent, but not yet mature or divinized. They were meant to grow into full communion with God. The fall didn’t introduce a need for salvation arbitrarily. It revealed the depth of that need and God’s plan to meet it with radical, self-giving love in Christ.

God permits sin and suffering (He doesn’t cause it), because in His foreknowledge and power, He can bring from it something far greater, union with Him not as creatures only, but as children, partakers of divine nature (2 Peter 1:4)

He could had made us perfected and divinised from the start but then we’d not have the choice and just be robots, that’s not love but just control. God created humans and that creation entails sallowing us to have the ABILITY to sin he doesn’t want this ofc but he permits it because he wants you to choose him by your own choice. Ironically this is what hell is, the rejection of god.

So God allows the “broken leg” not to flex His power, but because in the healing comes a transformation and union that never would have been possible otherwise. The goal is not just a fixed leg it’s a new creation.






So why doesn’t god perfect us from the beginning ? Because we are to become what we are made to be, feee loving etc which requires more than simple reception BUT TRANSFORMATION.

Imagine god just magically making us perfected in our love to him unshakable will etc. Would that be you anymore? Or would you just be a kind of divine puppet?

Even with God’s omnipotence, hes limited not in terms of His power, but in what’s logically coherent with love and freedom. He can’t force you to freely love Him, just like He can’t create a square circle. To become truly like Him, we have to walk the path.

Now the ill admit yes god allows suffering and it’s brutal but here’s the thing brother, God doesn’t throw us in front of the train. He walks with us on the tracks in front of it, absorbing the blow Himself.

This is what makes Christianity unique: God enters into human suffering, not just watching us endure it, but sharing it to the fullest in Christ, even unto death. He doesn’t stand far off, demanding you grow through pain. He descends into the furnace with you (Daniel 3 fun fact my irl name is based on one of the characters in the furnace )


Honestly An Russian priest had an entire lecture on this in Russian and I stole this last from him but he was critiquing Islam saying how can Allah/Judaism judge us when he hasn’t ever felt or walked in our shoes. For example. But the point remains. This is what makes Christianity unique and why it has the most beautiful Sotorology and justifications. @Kayra139 you may like this post because you may be confused as to why Jesus became a human for us

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

@Beanermaxxer look up

 

[buddhistking]

Christianity is the truth, I don’t join or leave religion based on my own materialistic cringe tribalism. I go based off evidence.

Your tribe in West Africa and the family you were born and raised in is Christian though right?

That would give you some implicit bias in finding you own truth about the religion like it does with say South Asian scholars who study Islam

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

Your tribe in West Africa and the family you were born and raised in is Christian though right?

That would give you some implicit bias in finding you own truth about the religion like it does with say South Asian scholars who study Islam

Yeah but they aren’t very religious, so I mean culturally sure but they never understood the faith much like how you didn’t get it. Though this can be said for 80% of religious people in today’s world regardless of “religion” I mean I even meet Hindus that literally think Hinduism is simply a Philosophy and not a religion lol

preharps it gave me some bias indeed but I wouldn’t hold to that much considering I ended up converting to another paradigm that may as well be a different religion tbh. Protestantism is so diametrically different from orthodoxy it may as well be a different religion. I have had to relearn literally EVERYTHING.


But it’s not about finding my “own truth” it’s about finding “TRUTH” I have looked into Islam and other faiths and only one is coherent and has a consistent account for reality. And that’s eastern Christianity

 

[pabloo]

God made everyone equal He says but isnt it clear that its bs?

yes and no for humans yes most of us are not equal since we only see superficial things in this case looks but God sees the heart he sees more than our flesh and we all are the same sinners all son of God and if we are talking about looks then it’s still your parents fault for making you grow malnourished

 

[keife]

Q n A for all the pipo here who have Qs.

If I ignore your question it’s because you asked a dumb question or it can be easily googled, for example “How is god real if bad thing happen”

Asserting value judgement statements without a valid justification for said Value leads to absurdities and an arbitrary criterion on what’s “Bad” or “Good” making it meaningless and thefore subjective. TLDR, I can simply say “God is Good because bad thing happen” and you cannot logically argue a case for we are equally right .


So yea bring it on my sons I don’t mind even Mohammedens asking questions I won’t discriminate inshallah

Is there a right denomination? Because I’m Protestant and heard to join a Orthodox Church because apparently it’s the only church made by Jesus etc etc and other ppl disagreed

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

Is there a right denomination? Because I’m Protestant and heard to join a Orthodox Church because apparently it’s the only church made by Jesus etc etc and other ppl disagreed

Eastern Orthodoxy is the one church founded by the apostles. I’m orthodox myself (convert from Protestantism) and I’ll debate any Protestant on this fact and win I can confidently say this. My cousins a Pastor lol I destroyed him

Why? Because 1

Every church father and early church people openly state what eastern orthodox believe in. 2 nobody in the first 1.5k years of the church held Protestant or Roman Catholic beliefs, 4 Protestantism literally calls church fathers “Heretics” because none of them believed in Sola Scripture, none of them followed the Masoretic text, none of them believed in Faith alone and none of them were against Iconoclism. 5 the 66 book Bible cannon guess what… NOBODY had that cannon in the early church Protestants have 0 basis to say why and how their bible is the word of god especially as they reject the Deutrocannons, the tradition and councils used to settle the cannons and septuigant which is what even Paul and Jesus Cited and quoted from lol

The idiots telling you to remain Protestant are the same idiots with LGBTQ flags in their churches and letting Mohammedens ram their daughters. Orthodoxy is the last line of defence for the west, Protestantism experiment has been tried and it has failed they can’t even defeat liberalism now they allow Tranny priests and females, Roman Catholicism is similar .


Only non changing church that is identical to the first 1k years of the church is Eastern Orthodoxy

 

[Kayra139]

Are you Sufi? I always said if I was Muslim I’d be Sufi or Shia (they have saints)

I wouldn't call myself a Sufi but I'm a Sufi by heart adhering to no religious order like Naqshbandi, Bekthashi etc, I believe Islam has mysticism as its core so if you're devout enough you definitely stumble upon some mysticism within you regardless of your personal sect

And yes despite my vitriol against Islam, I do admire much parts off it I only attack Islam weirdly out of love because I care for Muslims a lot because I see how much they love and long for god and I’m crushed seeing them deceived.

I unironically feel the same don't get this in a wrong way what we feel is the same just in different religions, so I try to convince Christians into Islam whenever they come to me about it, I only managed to revert two people but hey we only want salvation for each other and it's great that you're teaching the heart guiding parts of Orthodoxy if I were not Muslim I would definitely be Orthodox

I do believe some Muslims please god to the point he forcibly takes them to himself regardless

Yes I’d say orthodoxy is 100% the truth but if your into saints look into Sufi Islam if your not you’ll be impressed however I must say Christianity is rather remarkable in the saints department no other religion has the same testament of pastoral living embodiment and representation of divine life of God on earth to the same degree

We still produce saints, loom ups st Paisios the Argonauts you’ll really enjoy his stories because he died in 1994 and he answers so many modern issues we have today. What a blessed holy man he was. When I’m asked for the proof of orthodoxy I say “The saints” they perfectly embody what being “Christian” means and no other worldview I have looked into has it like this (Even Sufi Islam doesn’t to this degree and I looked into it last year when I consorted converting to Islam)

Very nice speaking to 2 very nice man may god bless you brother

I don't believe Saints are visible by men like the self proclaimed Sufis you see in the orders, so certainly I agree with you that they are not the greatest examples of men but I have never accepted them as saints so that's kind of a blank point for me at the moment, although I'll check out the man you named and try to see why Chrisitianity for him, Sufi Saints are just exaggrated muslims and I have been teached that only Allah knows the true saints among masses of people, as they do not wish to show off, this is why they're unknown and we have to bare with weak examples like sufi saints, but yeah so far you might be right about your evidence to orthodoxy while giving them as example, I'll be seeing


(also unrelated but there is an verse in the Quran related to Christian monks I just though't we could bore our mind with it at hand)

"Then We sent following their footsteps Our messengers and followed [them] with Jesus, the son of Mary, and gave him the Gospel. And We placed in the hearts of those who followed him compassion and mercy. But monasticism they invented – We did not prescribe it for them – only seeking the pleasure of Allah. But they did not observe it with due observance. So We gave the ones who believed among them their reward, but many of them are defiantly disobedient."
(Qur'an 57:27)

Another interesting passage that I know of that refers to a group of unknown Christians that their deeds will be accepted in the authority of Allah even though they do not call themselves muslims, I had to research it when I came across it

"They are not [all] the same; among the People of the Scripture (Christians) is a community standing [in obedience], reciting the verses of Allah during periods of the night and prostrating [in prayer]."
"They believe in Allah and the Last Day, and they enjoin what is right and forbid what is wrong and hasten to good deeds. And those are among the righteous."
"And whatever good they do – never will it be removed from them. And Allah is Knowing of the righteous."

Here are just some verses that I always wanted to share with a Christian brother I'll see the man you named and his world view
Bless you

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

I wouldn't call myself a Sufi but I'm a Sufi by heart adhering to no religious order like Naqshbandi, Bekthashi etc, I believe Islam has mysticism as its core so if you're devout enough you definitely stumble upon some mysticism within you regardless of your personal sect

I unironically feel the same don't get this in a wrong way what we feel is the same just in different religions, so I try to convince Christians into Islam whenever they come to me about it, I only managed to revert two people but hey we only want salvation for each other and it's great that you're teaching the heart guiding parts of Orthodoxy if I were not Muslim I would definitely be Orthodox




I don't believe Saints are visible by men like the self proclaimed Sufis you see in the orders, so certainly I agree with you that they are not the greatest examples of men but I have never accepted them as saints so that's kind of a blank point for me at the moment, although I'll check out the man you named and try to see why Chrisitianity for him, Sufi Saints are just exaggrated muslims and I have been teached that only Allah knows the true saints among masses of people, as they do not wish to show off, this is why they're unknown and we have to bare with weak examples like sufi saints, but yeah so far you might be right about your evidence to orthodoxy while giving them as example, I'll be seeing


(also unrelated but there is an verse in the Quran related to Christian monks I just though't we could bore our mind with it at hand)

"Then We sent following their footsteps Our messengers and followed [them] with Jesus, the son of Mary, and gave him the Gospel. And We placed in the hearts of those who followed him compassion and mercy. But monasticism they invented – We did not prescribe it for them – only seeking the pleasure of Allah. But they did not observe it with due observance. So We gave the ones who believed among them their reward, but many of them are defiantly disobedient."
(Qur'an 57:27)

Another interesting passage that I know of that refers to a group of unknown Christians that their deeds will be accepted in the authority of Allah even though they do not call themselves muslims, I had to research it when I came across it

"They are not [all] the same; among the People of the Scripture (Christians) is a community standing [in obedience], reciting the verses of Allah during periods of the night and prostrating [in prayer]."
"They believe in Allah and the Last Day, and they enjoin what is right and forbid what is wrong and hasten to good deeds. And those are among the righteous."
"And whatever good they do – never will it be removed from them. And Allah is Knowing of the righteous."

Here are just some verses that I always wanted to share with a Christian brother I'll see the man you named and his world view
Bless you

Ironically in Christianity the term “saint” just means “gods people” so we belive all Christian’s are saints the difference is we aren’t sure who will persevere to the end as a guaranteed Freind of God.


Many saints as you said aren’t known and I agree but the ones we know off is due to their miraculous helping of other people, other people notice this and word spreads of the holy man. Usually these men don’t see themselves as “saints” they live the most humble life never using anything expensive or even keeping their money usually choosing to live in poverty.

These men are such beloved by god in their closeness to him they can do crazy stuff like speaking in tounges to people who can’t understand their language but they’d understand them

skip to 4;40 mins in for the story of him speaking and commanding animals


This is about a miracle god gives to us Christian’s uniquely we have icons that cry, stream Myrr and more. Also lookup the holy fire of jeresulem, the Muslims even admitted this was a gift from God. If Christianity was a shirk religion why would god do all of this?

Skip to 8 mins in to see the Muslims saying this is from god.

You need to read the book Holy Fire by Skarlakidis, an in-deptth book which covers 13 centuries of eyewitness testimonies, from peoplle all over the world including even Muslims and scientists. Its a well attested miracle. There are even modern accounts of people who attend the event whose candles light up spontaneously as well.

Yeah I read the verse about monastics in the Quran as you know I know a lot about Islam ahaha. You wanna know why this was a thing? So early in our Relgion we were persecuted a lot so we’d hide out in the desert and even in prisons and basically fast forever and pray and god would embolden us. The monks were a product of their time but in so doing they had the purest faith I’d say no other belief or culture or group have more faith than the Monastics. I see it like this brother, when it comes to religions or beliefs I say look at the best examples never the worst, don’t look at Islam via isis, look at Islam via the kind imams and mystics that are good, there was a imam who died in Palestine he was such a god fearing good man he helped so many Palestinians, he died with a smile, im not Muslim and even when I saw him I knew “This man is beloved by God”.

THIS IS WHY I stayed with orthodoxy because their attestation with their best examples is unique only to them and to no other They reflect God’s love and power, like the moon reflecting the sun. They become full of the Holy Spirit, like a cup overflowing with living water, which sometimes lets them do miracles, not because they’re “magic,” but because God’s life is bursting out of them.



Yeah I like the sura you quoted I have read that before but in the Hadith it says

So I am confused either Allah likes Christian’s or doesn’t?

 

[shredded4summer]

Q n A for all the pipo here who have Qs.

If I ignore your question it’s because you asked a dumb question or it can be easily googled, for example “How is god real if bad thing happen”

Asserting value judgement statements without a valid justification for said Value leads to absurdities and an arbitrary criterion on what’s “Bad” or “Good” making it meaningless and thefore subjective. TLDR, I can simply say “God is Good because bad thing happen” and you cannot logically argue a case for we are equally right .


So yea bring it on my sons I don’t mind even Mohammedens asking questions I won’t discriminate inshallah

what proof do you have the jesus is god?

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

what proof do you have the jesus is god?

What would substantiate as proof for you? What do you need as proof and I’ll give to the best of my ability

 

[shredded4summer]

What would substantiate as proof for you? What do you need as proof and I’ll give to the best of my ability

there’s a lot of things that would make me believe in god, I tried to believe in Christianity and read the bible. I called myself Christian for a while too cause I thought I believed in it through sheerly convincing myself it made sense when it never did.



I don’t know something exactly that would convince me cause a lot of things would but I just wanna know why you think I should believe in the bible.

 

[Kayra139]

Many saints as you said aren’t known and I agree but the ones we know off is due to their miraculous helping of other people, other people notice this and word spreads of the holy man. Usually these men don’t see themselves as “saints” they live the most humble life never using anything expensive or even keeping their money usually choosing to live in poverty.

I totally agree that's the true way everything about even the known ones happen to be.

[FIRST VIDEO]

Of course like any religion there have been people that claim these happen in closed circles from Hindus to Muslims & Christians, each group say they are a witness, unless I seen it by camera I really cannot believe, although one thing I can't help but point out within the video is when it quotes about Buddha ''He was just a wise and intelligent man of his time, and the world, admiring his wisdom, made him almost a God''
This line exactly matches up with the exaggeration of The Messiah of Christians & Muslims, Jesus the son of Mary, we exactly see him in this situation the same as Buddha as we prefer an Creator that is unlike everything created

[SECOND VIDEO]

I don't really wanna come off as rude but brother videos within these claims can be made with any religion just like the first one you sent in line, thus I seen the likes of it in Islam aswell, these honorful men may perform these cases if they are to be a part of the singular group of Christians mentioned in the Reminder that is noted will be entered into Heaven, otherwise these are claims and I would not be lying if I told you I wanted to visit these man before myself and I bear no grudge against the stories of these men as they are no harm to anyone and they don't wish to prove their case to anyone while lying but I cannot be certain because the same claims can be made in any belief

[THIRD VIDEO]

I researched about this and while the existence of Myrr is certainly true with few icons for centuries and are real in appearence as much as I can see from actual witnesses this time; there is always chance of cheats and occurrences related to the biologic essence of the oil within the icons, while this is a possibility in my perspective it is no less than test in Islam, strange occurances do not always lead to the truth and at hand we have the greatest example; the Anti-Christ, be it Dajjal or The Son of Perdition; it is noted that strange phenomena can be used at all times against believers whether from magicians or power granted to the Liar himself;

“He will kill a man and bring him back to life...”
— [Sahih Muslim 2938]

“He will come to some people and call them, and they will believe in him. He will then command the sky to rain and the earth to bring forth vegetation...”
— [Sahih Muslim 2937]

“With him will be water and fire. His fire is cool water, and his water is fire.” (Carrying Hell and Heaven within his palms)
— [Sahih Muslim 2934]

If these be the cheats of the Anti-Christ, things with chances of natural occurence and cheats off the scenes are even less of a chance to be true, especially one related to physical items of our daily lives that is accesible with ease.

What I'm trying to come from is that strange phenomena are not a threat to one's belief in Islam, as we are teached that strange phenomena is either from the palm of an Prophet assisted by God or evil-alike origins spanning from city magicians to the Anti Christ himself

While these can be true, regardless of what I think, it is no harm to the belief of a Muslim while we have our own miracles ourselves, and as you know, two religions claiming truth and both has claimed miracles, it is a strange thing and can't we cannot reach to the result with haste.

Also look up the Holy Fire of Jeresulem, the Muslims even admitted this was a gift from God. If Christianity was a shirk religion why would god do all of this?
[FOURTH VIDEO]

You need to read the book Holy Fire by Skarlakidis, an in-deptth book which covers 13 centuries of eyewitness testimonies, from peoplle all over the world including even Muslims and scientists. Its a well attested miracle. There are even modern accounts of people who attend the event whose candles light up spontaneously as well.

This seems to be more serious than others so I really cannot say anything about this with simple research since you mentioned me a book about it too, I'm sure you would understand ;D

Yeah I read the verse about monastics in the Quran as you know I know a lot about Islam ahaha. You wanna know why this was a thing? So early in our Relgion we were persecuted a lot so we’d hide out in the desert and even in prisons and basically fast forever and pray and god would embolden us. The monks were a product of their time but in so doing they had the purest faith I’d say no other belief or culture or group have more faith than the Monastics.

Certainly man this is one thing that I can agree with you across the spans of 1th-6th Centuries, during this time in my belief whoever has had firm belief and learned it to the best of their ability- even if they were referring to God as Father; They are of those that will be judged fairly in the sight of Allah because the true message of the world of that time was certainly nothing else but Christianity that we all know of, maybe along with those that carried out the traditions of Abraham without any scripture at hand before Islam over the hands of Muhammed (peace and blessings be upon him) has arrived. (Hanifs, I'm sure you know about them )

I have nothing against the Christians of this specific era, they were certainly one of the greatest truth seekers of their time even if they had lost some of the original message of Jesus, it is noted that their sacrifices and rites are truly accepted in the sight of Allah.

I want to remark you the story of Salman al-Farisi, one of the most prestigious companions of the Prophet
He was a man of Persian descent by the Zoroastrian faith through his father; from childhood Salman was trained to maintain the sacred fire,he felt the worship of the fire was wrong and he started searching for the truth the same way Abraham did at his time, both were true searchers of God in this painful world.
One day, his father sent him to a farm. On the way, he passed by a Christian church. He heard them praying and was amazed.

“This is better than what we practice,” he said to himself.

He stayed the entire day with the Christians as a brother of them, asking them about his belief, comparing it to his religion he was teached over the course of his childhood, he ran away with the Christians and the story notes directly, ''good, humble priests who truly followed the message of Jesus'' he found them as the truth which is certainly praiseworthy over anything to whatever his hand could grasp in this world at that time

(I'll be cutting short from here)
All of things happened in between but he served the Church for years, coming across all sorts of people as the corrupted and righteous ones, a particular high ranking priest assigned to the church that he served over the years said to Salman on his death bed as he knew he was one of the pious ones among the corrupted ones;

“There is no one else left on this earth who follows our path… but the time of a new prophet is near. He will appear in the land of the Arabs, between two mountains, and he will accept gifts but not charity. Between his shoulders is a seal of prophethood.”

Over this, Salman began travelling for years and years, ended up being sold into slavery over the course,
Years later, when Prophet Muhammad made Hijrah to Madinah, Salman heard the news.
He quietly went to meet him and tested him, using the signs the priest had told him:
He gave him food as charity, he did not eat from it,
He brought food as a gift, he ate from it,
He looked for the seal of the Prophethood- and saw it between his shoulders, began crying and utter ''You are the Messanger of Allah I have been searching for all of my life''

As you can see even the story acknowledges that even to the end of 6th Century that Islam always acknowledged that there were true believers that followed the core message of both Jesus and Abraham all the way to the coming of Muhammed, end of the lesson I truly agree with you and every other muslim that they were really the righteous ones.

“There are four (who will) protest on the Day of Judgment: a deaf person who could not hear, a mentally ill person, a senile old man, and a person who died during the the time between prophets. (Jesus and Muhammed) They will each say, ‘O Lord, no messenger came to me.’
Then Allah will test them. If they obey, they will enter Paradise; if they disobey, they will enter Hell.”
(Musnad Ahmed)

Yeah I like the sura you quoted I have read that before but in the Hadith it says

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So I am confused either Allah likes Christian’s or doesn’t?

Totally understandable to be confused, Allah doesn't like the disbelievers although His mercy still encompasses them throughout the worldly life they live (the happy disbelievers and rich disbelievers as evidence), the ones that Allah likes is the one singular group that the verse points out, not every Christian.

If Christianity was a shirk religion why would god do all of this?

If Islam was the religion of a liar, why would god do all of this? - in comparison to miracles of our own mysteriously co-existing with yours almost as if we are living in the SCP Foundation verse ;D

Bless you again brother

''Invite ˹all˺ to the Way of your Lord with wisdom and kind advice, and only debate with them in the best manner. Surely your Lord ˹alone˺ knows best who has strayed from His Way and who is ˹rightly˺ guided.''
Chapter of Ant, Verse 125

 

[keife]

Q n A for all the pipo here who have Qs.

If I ignore your question it’s because you asked a dumb question or it can be easily googled, for example “How is god real if bad thing happen”

Asserting value judgement statements without a valid justification for said Value leads to absurdities and an arbitrary criterion on what’s “Bad” or “Good” making it meaningless and thefore subjective. TLDR, I can simply say “God is Good because bad thing happen” and you cannot logically argue a case for we are equally right .


So yea bring it on my sons I don’t mind even Mohammedens asking questions I won’t discriminate inshallah

What’s life gonna be like after death? Will I remember people who didn’t make it to “heaven” will I recognise others around me.
How do you cope with knowing lots of people u love won’t be with you.

 

[Sonneillon]

Q n A for all the pipo here who have Qs.

If I ignore your question it’s because you asked a dumb question or it can be easily googled, for example “How is god real if bad thing happen”

Asserting value judgement statements without a valid justification for said Value leads to absurdities and an arbitrary criterion on what’s “Bad” or “Good” making it meaningless and thefore subjective. TLDR, I can simply say “God is Good because bad thing happen” and you cannot logically argue a case for we are equally right .


So yea bring it on my sons I don’t mind even Mohammedens asking questions I won’t discriminate inshallah

Do you think the bibles stories could have played out in america considering the jordan river and places like nazareth didnt exist and that the geography of america fits more in?

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

What’s life gonna be like after death? Will I remember people who didn’t make it to “heaven” will I recognise others around me.
How do you cope with knowing lots of people u love won’t be with you.

We will be in a state of peace and bliss we cannot say how this will be but gods mysteries has it that we will be at peace even seeing those we knew and loved in life in “Hell” because we will know they made their decision and choice. The Bible says we will be at complete peace and no more suffering or pain will be present so in a way it’ll happen and we will be at peace and not upset at the fate of others.

We will spend communion with God the source of life, Jesus will dwell with us and us with him forever, the world will be remade and all will be perfect. But if we die like right now we will taste paradise but it will be a taster for the eschaton (resurrection) honestly words cannot explain how glorious it will be to be with for and have his energies within us

 

[khann]

How is god real if bad thing happen??

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

I totally agree that's the true way everything about even the known ones happen to be.

Of course like any religion there have been people that claim these happen in closed circles from Hindus to Muslims & Christians, each group say they are a witness, unless I seen it by camera I really cannot believe, although one thing I can't help but point out within the video is when it quotes about Buddha ''He was just a wise and intelligent man of his time, and the world, admiring his wisdom, made him almost a God''
This line exactly matches up with the exaggeration of The Messiah of Christians & Muslims, Jesus the son of Mary, we exactly see him in this situation the same as Buddha as we prefer an Creator that is unlike everything created

I don't really wanna come off as rude but brother videos within these claims can be made with any religion just like the first one you sent in line, thus I seen the likes of it in Islam aswell, these honorful men may perform these cases if they are to be a part of the singular group of Christians mentioned in the Reminder that is noted will be entered into Heaven, otherwise these are claims and I would not be lying if I told you I wanted to visit these man before myself and I bear no grudge against the stories of these men as they are no harm to anyone and they don't wish to prove their case to anyone while lying but I cannot be certain because the same claims can be made in any belief

I researched about this and while the existence of Myrr is certainly true with few icons for centuries and are real in appearence as much as I can see from actual witnesses this time; there is always chance of cheats and occurrences related to the biologic essence of the oil within the icons, while this is a possibility in my perspective it is no less than test in Islam, strange occurances do not always lead to the truth and at hand we have the greatest example; the Anti-Christ, be it Dajjal or The Son of Perdition; it is noted that strange phenomena can be used at all times against believers whether from magicians or power granted to the Liar himself;

“He will kill a man and bring him back to life...”
— [Sahih Muslim 2938]

“He will come to some people and call them, and they will believe in him. He will then command the sky to rain and the earth to bring forth vegetation...”
— [Sahih Muslim 2937]

“With him will be water and fire. His fire is cool water, and his water is fire.” (Carrying Hell and Heaven within his palms)
— [Sahih Muslim 2934]

If these be the cheats of the Anti-Christ, things with chances of natural occurence and cheats off the scenes are even less of a chance to be true, especially one related to physical items of our daily lives that is accesible with ease.

What I'm trying to come from is that strange phenomena are not a threat to one's belief in Islam, as we are teached that strange phenomena is either from the palm of an Prophet assisted by God or evil-alike origins spanning from city magicians to the Anti Christ himself

While these can be true, regardless of what I think, it is no harm to the belief of a Muslim while we have our own miracles ourselves, and as you know, two religions claiming truth and both has claimed miracles, it is a strange thing and can't we cannot reach to the result with haste.

This seems to be more serious than others so I really cannot say anything about this with simple research since you mentioned me a book about it too, I'm sure you would understand ;D

Certainly man this is one thing that I can agree with you across the spans of 1th-6th Centuries, during this time in my belief whoever has had firm belief and learned it to the best of their ability- even if they were referring to God as Father; They are of those that will be judged fairly in the sight of Allah because the true message of the world of that time was certainly nothing else but Christianity that we all know of, maybe along with those that carried out the traditions of Abraham without any scripture at hand before Islam over the hands of Muhammed (peace and blessings be upon him) has arrived. (Hanifs, I'm sure you know about them )

I have nothing against the Christians of this specific era, they were certainly one of the greatest truth seekers of their time even if they had lost some of the original message of Jesus, it is noted that their sacrifices and rites are truly accepted in the sight of Allah.

I want to remark you the story of Salman al-Farisi, one of the most prestigious companions of the Prophet
He was a man of Persian descent by the Zoroastrian faith through his father; from childhood Salman was trained to maintain the sacred fire,he felt the worship of the fire was wrong and he started searching for the truth the same way Abraham did at his time, both were true searchers of God in this painful world.
One day, his father sent him to a farm. On the way, he passed by a Christian church. He heard them praying and was amazed.

“This is better than what we practice,” he said to himself.

He stayed the entire day with the Christians as a brother of them, asking them about his belief, comparing it to his religion he was teached over the course of his childhood, he ran away with the Christians and the story notes directly, ''good, humble priests who truly followed the message of Jesus'' he found them as the truth which is certainly praiseworthy over anything to whatever his hand could grasp in this world at that time

(I'll be cutting short from here)
All of things happened in between but he served the Church for years, coming across all sorts of people as the corrupted and righteous ones, a particular high ranking priest assigned to the church that he served over the years said to Salman on his death bed as he knew he was one of the pious ones among the corrupted ones;

“There is no one else left on this earth who follows our path… but the time of a new prophet is near. He will appear in the land of the Arabs, between two mountains, and he will accept gifts but not charity. Between his shoulders is a seal of prophethood.”

Over this, Salman began travelling for years and years, ended up being sold into slavery over the course,
Years later, when Prophet Muhammad made Hijrah to Madinah, Salman heard the news.
He quietly went to meet him and tested him, using the signs the priest had told him:
He gave him food as charity, he did not eat from it,
He brought food as a gift, he ate from it,
He looked for the seal of the Prophethood- and saw it between his shoulders, began crying and utter ''You are the Messanger of Allah I have been searching for all of my life''

As you can see even the story acknowledges that even to the end of 6th Century that Islam always acknowledged that there were true believers that followed the core message of both Jesus and Abraham all the way to the coming of Muhammed, end of the lesson I truly agree with you and every other muslim that they were really the righteous ones.

“There are four (who will) protest on the Day of Judgment: a deaf person who could not hear, a mentally ill person, a senile old man, and a person who died during the the time between prophets. (Jesus and Muhammed) They will each say, ‘O Lord, no messenger came to me.’
Then Allah will test them. If they obey, they will enter Paradise; if they disobey, they will enter Hell.”
(Musnad Ahmed)

Totally understandable to be confused, Allah doesn't like the disbelievers although His mercy still encompasses them throughout the worldly life they live (the happy disbelievers and rich disbelievers as evidence), the ones that Allah likes is the one singular group that the verse points out, not every Christian.

If Islam was the religion of a liar, why would god do all of this? - in comparison to miracles of our own mysteriously co-existing with yours almost as if we are living in the SCP Foundation verse ;D

Bless you again brother

''Invite ˹all˺ to the Way of your Lord with wisdom and kind advice, and only debate with them in the best manner. Surely your Lord ˹alone˺ knows best who has strayed from His Way and who is ˹rightly˺ guided.''
Chapter of Ant, Verse 125

Chapter of ant sounds like this verse

1 Peter 3:15 But in your hearts revere Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect, 16 keeping a clear conscience, so that those who speak maliciously against your good behaviour in Christ may be ashamed of their slander.


Love the SCP joke I sometime meme saying imagine is Islam god and Judeo Christian gods are both real will be funny both will have to fight ahahaha there can only be one


EXEGESIS Of Hadith:
Well my contention with your exegesis of that Hadiths that the Hadith doesn’t at all state “some” Christian’s it says “Christians and jews” in place of Muslims in hellfire so it’s clearly an discrepancy between Hadith and Quran. If we are people’s off the book and sura 5:47-48 state to us to follow our revelations and books and remain Christian and Jews to compete with one another to see who pleases Allah the most why am I then to be punished?

The same goes for the sura that says Christian’s and Jews are the worst of all creatures, but then says Christian’s are the best Freinds of Muslims. Would you call your friend a worst of creatures? Stuff like this makes me doubt the Quran.

God is unlike anything created we believe that Jesus is the prophesied word of God the one that appeared to Moses in the bush the one that spoke to Abraham Isaac Jacob and Moses he is the Angel of YHWH Jesus says that’s who he is, we Christian’s DONT exaggerate we simply state what Jesus said. We simply listen to what the prophets said

They said God will come in flesh and dwell with us to unite us to him and set an example for us to follow. If your gods unlike anything in creation then how can you know your god? All of Your reference points are using creation, your eyes ears even cognitive faculty are all created things and yet you claim to read the true Kalam Allah that can tell you anything about an uncreated transcendent being?

As we Christian’s say we get past this with the trinity, the son is the Image of the father we know the father by knowing the Son for the son reflects all that the father is (Jhn 10:30, jhn 14:9-11, jhn 5:19-20). Islam cannot answer how they can know God without falling into agnosticism.

PROOF JESUS IS GOD
I’ll leave you with this brother how do you respond to these prophesied made 800 years before Christ? Yes you can even ask scholars these ALL PREDETE CHRIST BY HUNDREDS OF YEARS

Only god comes in the clouds btw (Isiah 19:1, Pslam 104:3, Deuteronomy 33:26)

Matthew 26:62-65
Daniel 7

Pslam 22
Isiah 53

Psalm 2

Wisdom 2

If you want reference just read all of Matthew 27:27+ and John 19:23+ you’ll see things evidence Jesus is not a mear man but GOD!!!


Same Isiah says 9:6
For to us a child is born,
to us a son is given,
and the government will be on his shoulders.
And he will be called
Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

Look who Jesus claims to be

MIRICLES:
Don’t worry don’t use “miracles” to prove the RELGION im simply showing you some off them if your interested in them . The streaming Myrr icon is real and in the Old Testament Bible it mentions how holy objects and people smell great and how even Elishas bones brought somebody to life by touching it (2 kings 13:21).

You’re right that other religions report miracles. The question is: how do we discern which miracles are from God and which might not be? Not all supernatural events point to the same truth.

Ours have a pattern that is unbroken

Are often tied to holy relics, icons, and the sacraments.
Happen in a sacramental context (e.g., healings during Divine Liturgy, the incorrupt relics of saints, myrrh-streaming icons).
Show long-term consistency across centuries, including recent miracles (e.g., St. Paisios, St. Porphyrios, St. Nektarios).

For Islam it’s harder to verify if these “miracles” come from God or demons, this is why we reject Roman Catholic saints because their saints have “Miracles” that contradict and do not align with the 2k year old faith and thus are rejected. Orthodox miracles aren’t just random supernatural events they’re sacramental, pointing to a living Church established by Christ. They continue through His saints across all ages, even now.

Eastern Orthodoxy is extremely cautious about accepting a miracle as genuine. There’s a whole process of spiritual discernment and ecclesial confirmation. Orthodox saints are only glorified after years of rigorous investigation, often with corroborated miracles and doctrinal purity. In your tradition, who verifies a miracle, and on what basis? How do you know it’s truly from God, not just a sign or wonder?
here are some verified from our saints, no other religion has this corroborating evidence in abundance like us.

• Myrrh-streaming icons like the “Hawaiian Iveron Icon” (active today).
• St. Nektarios’ healings—even in hospitals, verified by medical records.
• St. Paisios’ prophetic insights—he predicted events like the fall of communism.
• Incorrupt relics of St. John Maximovitch or St. Spyridon.

I don’t doubt other faiths have miricles I belive they do btw I even believe there are incorruptible Muslims (yes I genuinely belive this not just saying this cos I like you) but it’s the constant attestation and continuity of gods grace shown to us that uniquely sets it apart.














MASHALLAH, LOVE OF THE PERSAIAN STORY:
I love the Persian story I have t heard it in full I heard snippets off it before. Like you though I need to have contemporary evidence of this story to see its validity I’d like to reassrch it more because the Bible never mentions a prophet that isn’t Jewish and the Bible states after the Messiah there will be no more prophets (Luke 16:16, Daniel 9:1-10, Zachariah 13, Jude 1:3). May god see your heart and provide you with his Holy Spirit to guide you to Jinnah Ameem inshallah this happens.

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

@iblamexyz youll like the comment I made above. Christos anestie

How is god real if bad thing happen??

shyieeeeeeet niggahahahahahahah akhiii god isn’t real cos I hurt my foot and an earthquake killed a baby

But wait? If gods real who and how am I to say what he would do and be like and why he Permits things? Wait if gods not real because bad thing happen and bad thing happen anyways….. how is it bad thing happening it is just something happening

Welcome to the GAYthiest paradox and why Gaytheism is a belief for morons

 

[khann]

@iblamexyz youll like the comment I made above. Christos anestie

shyieeeeeeet niggahahahahahahah akhiii god isn’t real cos I hurt my foot and an earthquake killed a baby

But wait? If gods real who and how am I to say what he would do and be like and why he Permits things? Wait if gods not real because bad thing happen and bad thing happen anyways….. how is it bad thing happening it is just something happening

Welcome to the GAYthiest paradox and why Gaytheism is a belief for morons

Uhh uhh isnt God all loving, then why will he put us in hell if God all loving why does he let innocent people die

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

Uhh uhh isnt God all loving, then why will he put us in hell if God all loving why does he let innocent people die

Because god can do what he wants and you as a mear mortal finite irrelevant being cannot objectively say what’s “loving” and what an “innocent” person is. You have no objective criterion for which you can appeal to therefore it is arbitrary and thus MEANINGLESS so you can’t say anything he does isn’t loving etc that’s just your irrelevant opinion

I know your not an atheist btw just wanted to play along

 

[iblamexyz]

@iblamexyz youll like the comment I made above. Christos anestie

shyieeeeeeet niggahahahahahahah akhiii god isn’t real cos I hurt my foot and an earthquake killed a baby

But wait? If gods real who and how am I to say what he would do and be like and why he Permits things? Wait if gods not real because bad thing happen and bad thing happen anyways….. how is it bad thing happening it is just something happening

Welcome to the GAYthiest paradox and why Gaytheism is a belief for morons

high iq posts fs

I doubt most non believers will read it although

 

[copercel123]

Q n A for all the pipo here who have Qs.

If I ignore your question it’s because you asked a dumb question or it can be easily googled, for example “How is god real if bad thing happen”

Asserting value judgement statements without a valid justification for said Value leads to absurdities and an arbitrary criterion on what’s “Bad” or “Good” making it meaningless and thefore subjective. TLDR, I can simply say “God is Good because bad thing happen” and you cannot logically argue a case for we are equally right .


So yea bring it on my sons I don’t mind even Mohammedens asking questions I won’t discriminate inshallah

No question just a statement— god is not real.

 

[iblamexyz]

No question just a statement— god is not real.

why do you think god isn't real?

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

No question just a statement— god is not real.

Not a statement but a fact - GOD IS REAL.

 

[khann]

Because god can do what he wants and you as a mear mortal finite irrelevant being cannot objectively say what’s “loving” and what an “innocent” person is. You have no objective criterion for which you can appeal to therefore it is arbitrary and thus MEANINGLESS so you can’t say anything he does isn’t loving etc that’s just your irrelevant opinion

I know your not an atheist btw just wanted to play along

What do u think about the jordan peterson situation??

 

[khann]

why do you think god isn't real?

Because he is probably retarted

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

What do u think about the jordan peterson situation??

He’s not qualified to speak on religion

But he’s a top tier word salad yapper though ngl ahaha I always liked his word salad rhetoric.

He says a whole of nothing that leaves you with more questions you went in with.

But yeah jubilee was asked by Inspiring philosophy and Jay dyer to represent Christianity and ofc these 2 brothers known for debating people of all faiths especially Jay dyer which imo is arguably prob the best Christian debater alongside Sam shamoun rn were ignored for an “New” Christian guy called Jordan Peterson who has only recently been looking into the RELGION and he Himself doesn’t have any theological or religious knowledge on the religion

I wouldn’t call Jordan a non Christian but I would say he’s in the beginning stage and isn’t prepared to make a defence on it yet which makes sense he prob knows as much as your local secularist random cumskin in the west does about the religion which is basically 0

 

[iblamexyz]

there’s a lot of things that would make me believe in god, I tried to believe in Christianity and read the bible. I called myself Christian for a while too cause I thought I believed in it through sheerly convincing myself it made sense when it never did.



I don’t know something exactly that would convince me cause a lot of things would but I just wanna know why you think I should believe in the bible.

I've read your posts before bro this what I meant your relationship with your ex

the ''my experience with teenage love''

you see you depended on her for your love and happiness

for the most part your existence

I read how ur ex had a lot of issues

you we as sinners have a lot of issue's

I am not too sure what drove you off Jesus but I would have to guess your influence

Let's start with how did you get into Christianity (was it thru family?)

did you read the gospel's?

when did you leave Christianity?

How often did you go to church?

you see god will give you the void your trying to fulfil

and god will give you that love your searching for

 

[iblamexyz]

Because he is probably retarted

why do you think he's ''probably retarted''

 

[khann]

He’s not qualified to speak on religion

But he’s a top tier word salad yapper though ngl ahaha I always liked his word salad rhetoric.

He says a whole of nothing that leaves you with more questions you went in with.

But yeah jubilee was asked by Inspiring philosophy and Jay dyer to represent Christianity and ofc these 2 brothers known for debating people of all faiths especially Jay dyer which imo is arguably prob the best Christian debater alongside Sam shamoun rn were ignored for an “New” Christian guy called Jordan Peterson who has only recently been looking into the RELGION and he Himself doesn’t have any theological or religious knowledge on the religion

I wouldn’t call Jordan a non Christian but I would say he’s in the beginning stage and isn’t prepared to make a defence on it yet which makes sense he prob knows as much as your local secularist random cumskin in the west does about the religion which is basically 0

I just lowk found it funny that nigga went on 1 christian vs 20 atheist and said i dont claim that im a christian. He lowk made thiests look bad infront of gaythiests and now they are proud of themselves.

 

[khann]

why do you think he's ''probably retarted''

Because he made a retarted claim without any evidence to support it on a thread that is about Christianity Q n A.

 

[iblamexyz]

Because he made a retarted claim without any evidence to support it on a thread that is about Christianity Q n A.

what is stopping you from being a Christian

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

I just lowk found it funny that nigga went on 1 christian vs 20 atheist and said i dont claim that im a christian. He lowk made thiests look bad infront of gaythiests and now they are proud of themselves.

We don’t know what they told him. Jubilee is retarded so they prob didn’t even say he’d be defending Christianity esp considering how dumb jubilee is to not actually bring on Christian debaters

So yeah who knows what they told him and what they told the Gaytheists

Either way Jordan isn’t equipped to defend the Relgion from relentless Gaytheists

Besides Jordan is a str8 up heretic his views are so quirky he’d be takfired by anybody in the early church and have an entire heresy named after him called “Jordanianism” or Petersonism. But as he’s new to the faith i have mercy in time hell fall in line with the true faith set by God

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

what is stopping you from being a Christian

Not accepting the Holy Spirit is blaspheming the spirit and that’s what all non believers do. That’s why

 

[khann]

We don’t know what they told him. Jubilee is retarded so they prob didn’t even say he’d be defending Christianity esp considering how dumb jubilee is to not actually bring on Christian debaters

So yeah who knows what they told him and what they told the Gaytheists

Either way Jordan isn’t equipped to defend the Relgion from relentless Gaytheists

Besides Jordan is a str8 up heretic his views are so quirky he’d be takfired by anybody in the early church and have an entire heresy named after him called “Jordanianism” or Petersonism. But as he’s new to the faith i have mercy in time hell fall in line with the true faith set by God

I think him and charlie kirk are jewish puppets. They both are also hypocrites and i agree jubilee pushes liberal propaganda.

 

[khann]

what is stopping you from being a Christian

Trinity doesnt make sense to me and also the fact Jesus (PBUH) was a God.

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

Trinity doesnt make sense to me and also the fact Jesus (PBUH) was a God.

Incredulity fallacy. But I get ya.

I think him and charlie kirk are jewish puppets. They both are also hypocrites and i agree jubilee pushes liberal propaganda.

American evangelicalism is the most retarded thing ever it’s easily the most braindead form of the faith by far, which is a shame as Americans are the last bastion of actual practicing Christian’s in the west . Europeans have completely gone LGBTQ GAYthiest mode

No disrespect but the type of people to become evangelical are the type to convert to Islam lol

 

[iblamexyz]

Trinity doesnt make sense to me and also the fact Jesus (PBUH) was a God.

Trinity doesn't make sense okay?

are you a org user?

are you also human?

are you also living and breathing at this current moment?

I would have to assume you said yes for all of these I tried make the broad as possible since I really don't know u

we believe in 1 god with 3 different responsibilities

just like if you were to be a son, student, uncle (for example)

you are still able to be son to your mother, a student at your college and a uncle to your nephew while still being you

hope this made sense

 

[khann]

No disrespect but the type of people to become evangelical are the type to convert to Islam lol

Yh i know most christians that revert to islam are not even fully devoted christians and also they are either catholic or protestants.

 

[iblamexyz]

Incredulity fallacy. But I get ya.

American evangelicalism is the most retarded thing ever it’s easily the most braindead form of the faith by far, which is a shame as Americans are the last bastion of actual practicing Christian’s in the west . Europeans have completely gone LGBTQ GAYthiest mode

No disrespect but the type of people to become evangelical are the type to convert to Islam lol

I think someone who converts to Islam never had true faith in Jesus

some people live like Christianity is a hobby when it's a true way of life

I think when you have a deep relationship with Jesus there's no way you can truly convert to Islam without not having faith in Jesus

 

[khann]

Incredulity fallacy. But I get ya

Its not really Incredulity fallacy because im not rejecting it because its difficult to understand. Its more because the evidence isnt logical, obv this is just my opinion and ik it makes sense to alot of other ppl.

 

[khann]

I think someone who converts to Islam never had true faith in Jesus

Yes i agree with that, they convert because trinity doesnt make sense and they dont believe in jesus (PBUH) as God.

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

Its not really Incredulity fallacy because im not rejecting it because it’s difficult to understand. It’s more because the evidence isnt logical, obv this is just my opinion and ik it makes sense to alot of other ppl.

It doesn’t violate any laws of logic though lmfao the fire logically it isn’t illogical then ini

Once again you don’t understand it so you deny it, that’s fine many people don’t get it but to flat out say “Illogical” is retarded when it doesn’t violate logic at all

Literally look up the term Particular and Essense in philosophy and then google how Christians apply that to god and then you’ll have your answer. As I said we violate 0 laws of logic with the trinity

 

[iblamexyz]

Yes i agree with that, they convert because trinity doesnt make sense and they dont believe in jesus (PBUH) as God.

oh yeah for sure

the trinity make sense 100%

although to new believers it may be tricky to grasp but along your Christian journey you grap it quickly

 

[khann]

Literally look up the term Particular and Essense in philosophy and then google how Christians apply that to god and then you’ll have your answer. As I said we violate 0 laws of logic with the trinity

Will do

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

I think someone who converts to Islam never had true faith in Jesus

some people live like Christianity is a hobby when it's a true way of life

I think when you have a deep relationship with Jesus there's no way you can truly convert to Islam without not having faith in Jesus

99% of the time the ex Christian’s who became Muslim were usually Arians or some stupid crying heretic like my irl buddy who never believed Jesus was divine or in the trinity yet he’d say he was a Christian

Or they are the idiots who are too stupid to go on Google and search up their question for example a guy left because the concept of the Mysteries in Eastern Orthodoxy. Instead of actually figuring out what the term meant properly he just rage quitted. When mysteries jsut refers to sacraments and things of god that cannot be empicallt explained by science for example how the bread and wine become flesh and blood during the Eucharist

 

[khann]

although to new believers it may be tricky to grasp but along your Christian journey you grap it quickly

U will need to have blind faith to do that.

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

Will do

Shit wait if you didn’t know this then no wonder you was confused… yeah fair

Look into it then ask me questions on it

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

U will need to have blind faith to do that.

90% of religious people regardless of the religion have blind faith though…

It’s only the 10% such as myself that actually search deeper and deeper and deeper to find the truth and in so doing gain true understanding of religious belief systems.