Clavicle lengthening

[TfImOn?]

How much can you expect to lengthen your clavicles on average from the age of 18-25 with either hgh, mk-677 or other igf-1 enhancers.

 

[vampi]

who tf knows

 

[Don_and-idk]

How much can you expect to lengthen your clavicles on average from the age of 18-25 with either hgh, mk-677 or other igf-1 enhancers.

only hgh will, also it kinda depends on genetics i would say about 2-3 inches

 

[TfImOn?]

only hgh will, also it kinda depends on genetics i would say about 2-3 inches

Mk-677 increases gh production and thereby igf-1

 

[Don_and-idk]

Mk-677 increases gh production and thereby igf-1

yeah but mk is shit and its too low to cause any growth also theres no proof of mk677 being used for growth

 

[TfImOn?]

yeah but mk is shit and its too low to cause any growth also theres no proof of mk677 being used for growth

Ngga do ur research mk-677 litterly pushes gh. I can find the studys to support it but here is what I roughly remember.

10-25mg/day of mk677 increases igf-1 with 20-40% over a couple weeks
Where 1-2 iu of hgh increase igf-1 with 20-50%
This increase in igf-1 have been proven to be biologically significant for bone growth.

 

[Aloof]

nobody knows especially not any of these greys

just ask chatgpt and check your growth plates age

 

[peterk1287]

Ngga do ur research mk-677 litterly pushes gh. I can find the studys to support it but here is what I roughly remember.

10-25mg/day of mk677 increases igf-1 with 20-40% over a couple weeks
Where 1-2 iu of hgh increase igf-1 with 20-50%
This increase in igf-1 have been proven to be biologically significant for bone growth.

1-2 ius for bone growth

 

[Don_and-idk]

Ngga do ur research mk-677 litterly pushes gh. I can find the studys to support it but here is what I roughly remember.

10-25mg/day of mk677 increases igf-1 with 20-40% over a couple weeks
Where 1-2 iu of hgh increase igf-1 with 20-50%
These doses have been proven to be biologically significant for bone growth.

nigga are you retarded??? no ones pinning 2 IU

 

[Don_and-idk]

nigga are you retarded??? no ones pinning 2 IU

Jfl @ greys need to take 50mg just to have the same effect of dudes who pin 4iu alsonu forgot the gazillion side effects this shit has

 

[TfImOn?]

nigga are you retarded??? no ones pinning 2 IU

It's not about what people are pinning it's about what studys have shown to be statistically significant.

Also an increase in mk-677 leads to an increase in igf-1.

 

[Don_and-idk]

It's not about what people are pinning it's about what studys have shown to be statistically significant.

Also an increase in mk-677 leads to an increase in igf-1.

bruh whatever mate u can cope with mk677 haha ive grown 4cm now in frame with hgh but do whatever you want

 

[Bayardo.arc]

How much can you expect to lengthen your clavicles on average from the age of 18-25 with either hgh, mk-677 or other igf-1 enhancers.

diabetesmaxxing

 

[TfImOn?]

Jfl @ greys need to take 50mg just to have the same effect of dudes who pin 4iu alsonu forgot the gazillion side effects this shit has

Nigga when taking 4 iu u reach igf-1 levels of 50-150% higher than normal. 25mg of mk-677 can put u in the lower range, but because your body self regulates the hgh by producing it itself you still get to keep your body's natural feedback system, that actually end up lowering side effects to some degree compared to hgh, when u inject hgh u ignore this system, increasing insulin resistance even more, also you destroy the natural rhythm of hgh production, where mk-677 just produces it at night. You can also go read research on side effect risk on mk-677 and hgh and see that the risk are lower with mk-677.

 

[AustrianMogger]

How much can you expect to lengthen your clavicles on average from the age of 18-25 with either hgh, mk-677 or other igf-1 enhancers.

2-3cm, price 25k

 

[Don_and-idk]

Nigga when taking 4 iu u reach igf-1 levels of 50-150% higher than normal. 25mg of mk-677 can put u in the lower range, but because your body self regulates the hgh by producing it itself you still get to keep your body's natural feedback system, that actually end up lowering side effects to some degree compared to hgh, when u inject hgh u ignore this system, increasing insulin resistance even more, also you destroy the natural rhythm of hgh production, where mk-677 just produces it at night. You can also go read research on side effect risk on mk-677 and hgh and see that the risk are lower with mk-677.

Not correct natty hgh production literally returns very quick in like 3 days.

 

[Don_and-idk]

bruh whatever mate u can cope with mk677 haha ive grown 4cm now in frame with hgh but do whatever you want

...

 

[TfImOn?]

Not correct natty hgh production literally returns very quick in like 3 days.

Are you low IQ? I never talked about the natty production being shut down as being the problem, I'm talking about the natural rhythm of hgh being shut down as the problem, when you go to rem sleep HGH production peaks. Your clearly taking a compound you do not understand how works.

 

[Don_and-idk]

Are you low IQ? I never talked about the natty production being shut down as being the problem, I'm talking about the natural rhythm of hgh being shut down as the problem, when you go to rem sleep HGH production peaks. Your clearly taking a compound you do not understand how works.

Wym? Hgh is also being injected before sleep. Also studies prove that this doesnt matter.
The Tauber et al. Studies: Clinical trials explicitly compared giving growth-deficient patients HGH via a continuous, steady 24-hour infusion versus giving it in pulsatile, simulated bursts. The result? The continuous, steady delivery resulted in significantly higher IGF-1 generation and vastly superior growth rates than trying to mimic "natural" pulses

The Albertsson-Wikland Clinical Data: Landmark trials studying injection frequencies proved that moving from multiple small, erratic doses to a single, stable daily depot injection optimized growth velocity in humans. This is why the entire global medical community uses a daily, non-pulsatile injection of rhGH and completely ignores secretagogues like MK-677.

 

[TfImOn?]

Wym? Hgh is also being injected before sleep. Also studies prove that this doesnt matter.
The Tauber et al. Studies: Clinical trials explicitly compared giving growth-deficient patients HGH via a continuous, steady 24-hour infusion versus giving it in pulsatile, simulated bursts. The result? The continuous, steady delivery resulted in significantly higher IGF-1 generation and vastly superior growth rates than trying to mimic "natural" pulses

The Albertsson-Wikland Clinical Data: Landmark trials studying injection frequencies proved that moving from multiple small, erratic doses to a single, stable daily depot injection optimized growth velocity in humans. This is why the entire global medical community uses a daily, non-pulsatile injection of rhGH and completely ignores secretagogues like MK-677.

Yes your talking for growth effects. I'm talking about side effects, there is a difference. For example can non natural injection of hgh, ruin ur sleep patterns and disrupt sleep to some degree, but your sleep rhythm and sleep quality is also dependent on ur body's natural hgh release.

 

[Don_and-idk]

Yes your talking for growth effects. I'm talking about side effects, there is a difference. For example can non natural injection of hgh, ruin ur sleep patterns and disrupt sleep to some degree, but your sleep rhythm and sleep quality is also dependent on ur body's natural hgh release.

what?

 

[Don_and-idk]

what?

ur argument that sleep depends on hgh is false : https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8501147/
Read this you retarded iqlet greycel

 

[TfImOn?]

ur argument that sleep depends on hgh is false : https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8501147/
Read this you retarded iqlet greycel

Okay fair I will give you that one, but still doesn't answer any of my other questions. What you are doing right now is nitty picking arguments and ignoring the ones where you know I'm right.

 

[Don_and-idk]

Okay fair I will give you that one, but still doesn't answer any of my other questions. What you are doing right now is nitty picking arguments and ignoring the ones where you know I'm right.

u mean the side effects thing?

 

[SamMar]

u aint growing your clavicles at 18-25 no matter what you take

 

[idkgang67]

How much can you expect to lengthen your clavicles on average from the age of 18-25 with either hgh, mk-677 or other igf-1 enhancers.

The only real way is with clavicular surgery

 

[TfImOn?]

u mean the side effects thing?

Also you nitty picking studys.

The effect of growth hormone administration on human sleep: a dose-response study - PubMed

<p>Human growth hormone and saline were administered for one night each to normal volunteers in a cross-over study. A dose of 2 units im given 15 min before bedtime had no effect on sleep EEG parameters. In contrast, 5 units resulted in a 19% decrease in slow-wave sleep (p < 0.01) and a 13%...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Studys conducted there it shows a disruption slow-wave sleep just ask. The evidence is mixed therefore no certain conclusion can be made. Also both studys use very few people meaning alot of variables are in play.

Yes what I'm exactly arguing is side effects for mk-677 are less, in return you get less growth effects. That's what I have been saying from the start, but your were arguing that mk-677 have worse side effects than hgh, and that mk-677 in small can't give growth.

 

[Don_and-idk]

Also you nitty picking studys.

The effect of growth hormone administration on human sleep: a dose-response study - PubMed

<p>Human growth hormone and saline were administered for one night each to normal volunteers in a cross-over study. A dose of 2 units im given 15 min before bedtime had no effect on sleep EEG parameters. In contrast, 5 units resulted in a 19% decrease in slow-wave sleep (p < 0.01) and a 13%...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Studys conducted there it shows a disruption slow-wave sleep just ask. The evidence is mixed therefore no certain conclusion can be made. Also both studys use very few people meaning alot of variables are in play.

Yes what I'm exactly arguing is side effects for mk-677 are less, in return you get less growth effects. That's what I have been saying from the start, but your were arguing that mk-677 have worse side effects than hgh, and that mk-677 in small can't give growth.

study says it increased 13% rem sleep tho and that level of sleep worsening could have any other reason. Also what do you think about this: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6240568/
i will research more thohohohohoho

 

[Don_and-idk]

Also you nitty picking studys.

The effect of growth hormone administration on human sleep: a dose-response study - PubMed

<p>Human growth hormone and saline were administered for one night each to normal volunteers in a cross-over study. A dose of 2 units im given 15 min before bedtime had no effect on sleep EEG parameters. In contrast, 5 units resulted in a 19% decrease in slow-wave sleep (p < 0.01) and a 13%...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Studys conducted there it shows a disruption slow-wave sleep just ask. The evidence is mixed therefore no certain conclusion can be made. Also both studys use very few people meaning alot of variables are in play.

Yes what I'm exactly arguing is side effects for mk-677 are less, in return you get less growth effects. That's what I have been saying from the start, but your were arguing that mk-677 have worse side effects than hgh, and that mk-677 in small can't give growth.

ahh yeah u could say it can cause height growth but that is only 2cms more than placebo groupcompared to rHGH which has +5cm/year more than copek677 https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8207831/ incase of side effects u could say they are similar but meon 8IUs am fine so ur here coping. also ur a retarded greycel with 30 posts and join date af apr.9 talking me about knowledge jfl. U tiktokcels are among the most retarded here

 

[sphenoidnr]

How much can you expect to lengthen your clavicles on average from the age of 18-25 with either hgh, mk-677 or other igf-1 enhancers.

1-3in. Natural growth is (to be more exact) 2mm per year (Since age 12)

 

[Don_and-idk]

1-3in. Natural growth is (to be more exact) 2mm per year (Since age 12)

only possible with hgh btw

 

[TfImOn?]

study says it increased 13% rem sleep tho and that level of sleep worsening could have any other reason. Also what do you think about this: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6240568/
i will research more thohohohohoho

Yes but you could also argue the

ahh yeah u could say it can cause height growth but that is only 2cms more than placebo groupcompared to rHGH which has +5cm/year more than copek677 https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8207831/ incase of side effects u could say they are similar but meon 8IUs am fine so ur here coping. also ur a retarded greycel with 30 posts and join date af apr.9 talking me about knowledge jfl. U tiktokcels are among the most retarded here

It's crazy to argue for someone being a greycel when amount of time spent on a site have no positive correlation with knowledge, the knowledge I have is something I have learned from biology then applied it to height growth because I wanted to maximize my height when I was younger, ofc I only enter this site after RI figure out it's mainstream, I had no clue anything like this existed beforehand, because I just tried to solve certain issues on my own, unless you have a study to prove this. In terms of side effects you mitigate some side effects with mk677 which is the only thing I'm arguing so what I'm saying is it highly depends, now you start by comparing 4ius to 50mgs, but 25mgs of mk-677 is can result in the same amount of 4ius of growth hormones, 8 ius side effects are much more significant, but so is results, so what I'm arguing is that for example if you already have bad insulin resistivity, then mk-677 might make more sense, or if your more scared of side effects on hgh then again mk-677 might be a better choice, because it stays within your body's on regulatory system. To argue that someone's knowledge is bad by looking at their credentials on a site is a lazy way of argumentation. Instead you can take their arguments and stay critical to those arguments instead. Also where do you get those 2 centimeters from? Can you link the study? Because I cannot find it anywhere, I would say the most rational thing to do is to look at available igf-1, and then compare it to doses of hgh. Which is what I have done.

 

[Nitroyx]

How much can you expect to lengthen your clavicles on average from the age of 18-25 with either hgh, mk-677 or other igf-1 enhancers.

few centimeters if ur extremely lucky like top 3-5% lucky.

 

[Don_and-idk]

Yes but you could also argue the

It's crazy to argue for someone being a greycel when amount of time spent on a site have no positive correlation with knowledge, the knowledge I have is something I have learned from biology then applied it to height growth because I wanted to maximize my height when I was younger, ofc I only enter this site after RI figure out it's mainstream, I had no clue anything like this existed beforehand, because I just tried to solve certain issues on my own, unless you have a study to prove this. In terms of side effects you mitigate some side effects with mk677 which is the only thing I'm arguing so what I'm saying is it highly depends, now you start by comparing 4ius to 50mgs, but 25mgs of mk-677 is can result in the same amount of 4ius of growth hormones, 8 ius side effects are much more significant, but so is results, so what I'm arguing is that for example if you already have bad insulin resistivity, then mk-677 might make more sense, or if your more scared of side effects on hgh then again mk-677 might be a better choice, because it stays within your body's on regulatory system. To argue that someone's knowledge is bad by looking at their credentials on a site is a lazy way of argumentation. Instead you can take their arguments and stay critical to those arguments instead. Also where do you get those 2 centimeters from? Can you link the study? Because I cannot find it anywhere, I would say the most rational thing to do is to look at available igf-1, and then compare it to doses of hgh. Which is what I have done.

Here is a study on rats which showed 0 growth : https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6240568/
here is the study on humans(LUM-201 being mk677) : https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8207831/

 

[Don_and-idk]

Yes but you could also argue the

It's crazy to argue for someone being a greycel when amount of time spent on a site have no positive correlation with knowledge, the knowledge I have is something I have learned from biology then applied it to height growth because I wanted to maximize my height when I was younger, ofc I only enter this site after RI figure out it's mainstream, I had no clue anything like this existed beforehand, because I just tried to solve certain issues on my own, unless you have a study to prove this. In terms of side effects you mitigate some side effects with mk677 which is the only thing I'm arguing so what I'm saying is it highly depends, now you start by comparing 4ius to 50mgs, but 25mgs of mk-677 is can result in the same amount of 4ius of growth hormones, 8 ius side effects are much more significant, but so is results, so what I'm arguing is that for example if you already have bad insulin resistivity, then mk-677 might make more sense, or if your more scared of side effects on hgh then again mk-677 might be a better choice, because it stays within your body's on regulatory system. To argue that someone's knowledge is bad by looking at their credentials on a site is a lazy way of argumentation. Instead you can take their arguments and stay critical to those arguments instead. Also where do you get those 2 centimeters from? Can you link the study? Because I cannot find it anywhere, I would say the most rational thing to do is to look at available igf-1, and then compare it to doses of hgh. Which is what I have done.

Sadly no kid with ISS or GHD is injecting 4 IUS for bone growth, because that is too low.

 

[ropemaxxer00]

nobody knows especially not any of these greys

just ask chatgpt and check your growth plates age

L advice chatgpt is awful for stuff like this ask grok

 

[ropemaxxer00]

None of these will actually work, hgh can work but only in gh deficient kids

 

[TfImOn?]

Yes but here you would have to assume that rats is as effective in converting gh to igf-1 as humans.

Here is a study on rats which showed 0 growth : https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6240568/
here is the study on humans(LUM-201 being mk677) : https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8207831/

There have been made human studys where mk-677 was proven to increase igf-1. So you can't compare it to a rat study. Since the human trials alr show:

Stimulation of the growth hormone (GH)-insulin-like growth factor I axis by daily oral administration of a GH secretogogue (MK-677) in healthy elderly subjects

mayoclinic.elsevierpure.com

 

[TfImOn?]

L advice chatgpt is awful for stuff like this ask grok

Yeah I tried asking chatgpt it just gives me some dumb answer and can't refer a single study, so I came here to look for personal experiences.

 

[Don_and-idk]

Yes but here you would have to assume that rats is as effective in converting gh to igf-1 as humans.


There have been made human studys where mk-677 was proven to increase igf-1. So you can't compare it to a rat study. Since the human trials alr show:

Stimulation of the growth hormone (GH)-insulin-like growth factor I axis by daily oral administration of a GH secretogogue (MK-677) in healthy elderly subjects

mayoclinic.elsevierpure.com

i linked u a study which showed children using MK677 for growth and the results were shit. What does iGF-1 matter for an adult if they arent GH deficient? Their growth plates are all closed so it would not matter. Look at the Screenshot.

 

[kranerman23123]

How much can you expect to lengthen your clavicles on average from the age of 18-25 with either hgh, mk-677 or other igf-1 enhancers.

Anything to avoid overhead press

 

[TfImOn?]

Sadly no kid with ISS or GHD is injecting 4 IUS for bone growth, because that is too low.

Just to make sure you are talking 4 ius daily? Because everything I have referred to is daily.

 

[iblameMogville]

bruh whatever mate u can cope with mk677 haha ive grown 4cm now in frame with hgh but do whatever you want

how old are u so that uve gotten 4cm in frame also did u see height increase from hgh?

 

[Don_and-idk]

i linked u a study which showed children using MK677 for growth and the results were shit. What does iGF-1 matter for an adult if they arent GH deficient? Their growth plates are all closed so it would not matter. Look at the Screenshot.

Just to make sure you are talking 4 ius daily? Because everything I have referred to is daily.

U are clearly disregarding any Proof that i showed you. And yes greycel, HGH is administered daily every night.

 

[TfImOn?]

U are clearly disregarding any Proof that i showed you. And yes greycel, HGH is administered daily every night.

How am I disregarding proof? I litterly just told you how u can't use rat studys to compare. I was about to look at the other study u sent.

 

[Don_and-idk]

How am I disregarding proof? I litterly just told you how u can't use rat studys to compare. I was about to look at the other study u sent.

I JUST SHOWED YOU A HUMAN STUDY ON MK677 WHICH SHOWS ITS SHITINESS LOOK AT THE SCREENSHOT RETARD

 

[iblameMogville]

How am I disregarding proof? I litterly just told you how u can't use rat studys to compare. I was about to look at the other study u sent.

bro the fact u hvae to compare mk to fucking 2 or 4 ius of hgh just tells u everything u need no one here is taking 2ius and epecting growth u gotta be on atleast 8 iu to expect some actual change so go for wtvr u want no one cares if u get taller or not tbh

 

[iblameMogville]

I JUST SHOWED YOU A HUMAN STUDY ON MK677 WHICH SHOWS ITS SHITINESS LOOK AT THE SCREENSHOT RETARD

nigger answer me i asked u how old u are andhow many iu are u on so that u saw a 4cm increase in bidelt

 

[Don_and-idk]

bro the fact u hvae to compare mk to fucking 2 or 4 ius of hgh just tells u everything u need no one here is taking 2ius and epecting growth u gotta be on atleast 8 iu to expect some actual change so go for wtvr u want no one cares if u get taller or not tbh

this retarded greycel thinks hes smart using his biology tiktok knowledge trying to ignore the facts.

nigger answer me i asked u how old u are andhow many iu are u on so that u saw a 4cm increase in bidelt

I am 17, started about 3 months ago and take 8IU everyday (i measured it every week)

 

[iblameMogville]

I am 17, started about 3 months ago and take 8IU everyday (i measured it every week)

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