Complete Evisceration of IQ cope. IQ COPERS WON'T TOUCH THIS


Studies I reference will be provided at the bottom, after the TL;DR

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A Complete Evisceration of Iq cope
Why it's the most overrated variable.
During my time on this forum, there is one cope that keeps coming up, and that is the Idea that IQ is the most important aspect of life. Not only will I show in this thread that this is not nearly the case, but I will also proof how it's not even in the top 10 most important variables in this life.
Before the cope comes in, No, it's not "the most important variable besides looks."
No, it's not important because "you need high IQ to looksmax," that's retarded.

Long post so TL;DR at the bottom for the low IQcels


There are 3 main reasons why someone on this forum might cope about IQ.
- A complete over evaluation of it's effects
- Because they have nothing else
And a third, which we will discuss in this post, but first, let's start off small.


The Importance of IQ Vs The Importance of Looks
What is a face Worth?
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most obvious blackpill knowledge incoming
There are countless studies proving the fact we all know, the more attractive and healthy you look, the more intelligent you look, regardless of if you are actually intelligence or not. This can make a lasting impact in your life, more so than having high IQ. Many of you will ask, why would I want to make people think I'm smart instead of actually being smart?
The trajectory of your life is like a bullet trying to shoot a target from a thousand miles away, even a 1 degree deviation off-course can make it miss completely, and the strongest deviator of all is how people treat you.

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Smart at first sight
Which young boy and girl would you bet has higher IQ than the other?
The boy and girl on the right look dull. The top right (2) one looks like he's destined to become a sports-team worshiping construction worker, and the bottom right (4) looks like a 1800s Victorian peasant who's destined to plow the fields until an alcoholic husband comes and marries her away.
The biggest correlator on whether or not you will get good grades in a given subject apart from time spent studying is whether or not you actually like it. Teachers will spend more time helping the kids on the left (1, 3) with their incorrect answers than the right (2, 4), and will give them more positive reinforcement, resulting them having a not so organic interest in their academics.
When the ones on the right gets incorrect answers, they will think "well that's just how he/she is."
And, as a result, when they are not so interested in their academics, both they and the people around them will think that's just how they naturally are.
This stacked up over even the first 20 years of their lives will completely change them. And will create more of a difference than whether or not they actually had a 1 in 20 IQ [125iq, + assuming kids on the left are 1 in 20 facial attractiveness. I.E. in a class of 40, they would both be top 2 best looking.]

Intelligence compared to IQ in other realms
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data from 59,387 NATIVE Swedish MEN
It is true that comparing the 16th percentile and 84th percentile of IQ and Looks, the 16th percentile for IQ will be making less money on average than the 16th percentile for looks, and the 84th percentile of IQ will be making more money than the 84th percentile of looks. This will make it seem like IQ completely mogs looks in it's impact on income. But this is actually not the case.
You will see that once the wage percentile reaches 95%, IQ starts to plateau and even begins to dip. [remember, data from almost 60,000 men, so no coping that this dip is not super correlative, this would only be the case if number of participants was like 400]
For reference, it's known that High Tier Normie [6/10] is the top 5% of men, as proven by dating app data, as this is when you start actually getting a quantifiable result from your facial attractiveness.
Imagine if people's success in dating apps went up and up and up as your facial attractiveness went up, then once you reach HTN it plateaus, and starts to DIP once you get any higher in attractiveness.
Blackpill would die, it would become consensus that good looking people = shallow, and that personality is actually king.
Incels.is and looksmax.org would become ghost towns overnight.
Replaced with personalitycels.is and personalitymaxx.org
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Why the Blackpill is true: the top 1% of men get 20% of the tinder likes, and the top 5% get 80% of the likes.
Why the IQpill is true: Top 1% of men get.. less income than the top 5.1-10%??
So, it isn't true at all then.
There is no "too attractive pentalty" in life.
The ones you see that are "too attractive" are freakish men with weirdly big jaws, who in turn, because of their uncanniness, are not attractive.
There IS a "too smart penalty" in life.
You might be wondering "well then, why would I not just want to be in this 'Goldilocks' zone of IQ?" But this is not what IQ copers believe. They do not argue that 125 IQ = the best. They argue that the higher the IQ = the better the life. Do you really think any one who argues IQ is an important thing would be happier to get 125 as an IQ result than 170?
They would kill you, and burn your family alive, for a 170 IQ official test result.
And anyone who tells you whether or not you have 125 IQ is more important than the way you look is a retard.

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US income by Race and Attractiveness
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Comparing US income vs Tinder likes
not to be confused with US NETWORTH. It would look different as the top 1% of americans own 30% of the networth, for tinder it's top 1% gets 20% of the tinder likes.
But, for tinder, the top 5% get 80% of the likes, whilst for networth, it's top 10% own 2/3rds of the networth.

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Interesting data showing that the top half [not including the top 10%] of students get lower grades than the bottom half [not including the bottom 5%] but the top 10% get higher grades than the bottom half [again, not including the bottom%]


"IQ is Important Because You Need to be smart to Looksmax"

The most redonkulous cope I've seen
Ishowspeed trying not to laugh

Anyone who has enough experience here will tell you, someone who has the ability to ascend to Chad is much rarer than Chad himself.
Someone who can ascend to Chadlite is much rarer than Chadlite himself.
And yes, someone who can ascend to HTN is rarer than HTN himself, someone who can ascend to MTN is rarer than MTN himself, and so on.
Arguing that IQ is anywhere near the top 5 most important variables because of the off chance someone might be born with both the base to reach a certain rating and the IQ necessary to pull an ascension off [which is retarded because looksmaxxing isn't exactly rocket science] is like arguing having insanely beautiful feet is the most important attribute because of the off chance you can get scouted out by a foot modeling agency and become a multimillionaire overnight from your lucrative foot modeling career.


"I mean.. It's not exactly brain surgery is it."


Iq vs Neurotypicality
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In college I must lie to all my classmates that I always have a girlfriend, and that I am going out with my friends every other day, despite the fact that I only have a girlfriend for 1/3rd of the time I actually say I do, and that I only go out with friends once every 2 weeks.
Why? Well, social proof is the strongest way to nullify your Neurodivergency. There is no true way and there will never be a true way to mask your ND, the best you can do is to do small things to nullify it to give yourself some leeway, in the hopes that instead of them thinking "there's something wrong with this kid" when one of my aspie attributes leak out, something so immeasurable and unquantifiable - a small micro-expression, the way I talk, the way I move my hands or blink, they will instead subconsciously think "well, he has lots of friends who go out with him alot and he has a GF, so maybe he's just quirky."
If I had low IQ, I would just have to study a bit harder.

To not repeat what I've said in my 'Autism deducts 1.25/10' thread, I will not talk about Autism but general Neurodivergency.
The Perks of being NT
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Ugly fuck on left, looks NeuroTypical as fuck, cancels it out.
Many people have told me that after ascending, they were utterly shocked at how easy it was to get girls. How available girls made themselves and how seamless it was to get with them, like a hot knife cutting butter. Being Neurotypical is the same, but for making friends instead.
There is no such thing as being shy in NT's world, shyness is the brain's natural reaction to not getting accepted, the same way how it's the hand's natural reaction to pull away after touching a hot stove. There is no such thing as having people not accept you, there is no such thing as being wrongfully socially persecuted, these things are as foreign to the Neurotypical as the age of consent is to Japan.



The Neurotypical's In-Group
This is universal, NDs will rage at the fact that NTs don't accept them, that NTs are INFERIOR [the "NPC/Normie" cope] because of their lack of empathy and understanding to NDs. This comes with the assumption that being ND removes the attribute of having an innate avoidance for ND people. Why is this cope?
Neurodivergent people hate each other. They can't stand each other, they too possess the attribute of having an innate avoidance for ND people, they only reason they hang out with each other is because they're forced to. Get any person who is super ND and hangs out mainly with other ND people, if they had NT people hanging around them and accepting them growing up, they would probably be MORE hateful towards NDs than NTs themselves.
Being NT = universal acceptance, from everybody.
Ofcourse, this comes with caveats. What's your race? How ugly are you? Do you have a disability? Do you have low social proof?
Sometimes, if you're NT, people will still naturally dislike you and have it out for you, hate you.

What It's Worth
Trading Neurotypicality for IQ
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The best way to compare the impact of 2 variables is by imagine having one but not the other.
Is it worth it?
Is it worth being able to do maths faster, being able to figure out problems others can't, with less context clues. Being able to make better decisions that aren't immediately obvious to anyone, and in return, get outcasted during your vital social development years, gaining a huge risk of getting bullied, and over a 40% of being a virgin by adulthood? [12% for NT's]
The only possible way a mentally stable functioning human being would say yes, that all this is worth it for muh IQ points, is if IQ is literally all they had in life to cope, and cope they will.
I could bring up alot of studies proving how bad being ND is, but alot of them relate to ASD, so to not parrot my thread [already linked above] I will just link this incels.is thread that does the job

the thread
and I don't have an .is account before I get accused of being incel


IQ vs Your Social status

IQ mog billions, or be loved by millions?
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We have discussed the importance of social proof in the previous chapter, but here we will go on a deeper dive.
I have spoken to many people in this community before they got well known on tiktok, and beforehand, they were just normal guys, insecure teens rotting in their bedrooms talking about male aesthetics on private servers and discord calls.
Then, after the fame hits, I talk to them, they don't know it's me as I'm on an alt, or they act like they don't recognize me on my main, and they ignore me. You notice they only really reply to the other people who are also getting thousands of likes on edits made on them by randoms.
I could name half a dozen PSLers, users of this forum, who have done this, infact, it would be easier to name people who HAVEN'T done this, and the only one who comes to mind is @nordsmog.
Why do they do this? Why do they feel like they're so entitled?
Well, because they are entitled. Every single one of them was in the right.
When they became known, when they managed to make people move through social media, even if it's nothing compared to the fame A-list Hollywood celebrities wield, they became better than me, atleast socially. They had power, lets take a very famous [for this niche] person who posts on this forum, Clavicular. Do you think if he went on stream and told his viewers to harass some random guy, that guy wouldn't get harassed for months? Hundreds of his thousands of viewers would get up and harass that guy over and over, simply because a well known person online told them to. The most he'd get is a week ban from Kick. That is a sort of power you cannot wield with IQ, that is a sort of power you can only wield with fame, looks, financial power or real power. [such as a position in government]
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You could make the argument that with intelligence you could reach that level of financial power, real power, or fame.
Financial power takes years to accumulate, if you think otherwise, you're either delusional and have no money, or got extremely lucky.
Real power also takes years to accumulate, inb4 cope about how someone could read a terrorist manual and make a bomb, that doesn't give you the power to move people.
Fame can be instant, and can last a lifetime.
You could argue you could get fame if you had the IQ to accumulate it, no you can't, for fame you need a personality, a personality that is either picked for you by some sort of social media manager, or a personality you're simply born with and happen to gain due to your genetic predispositions and how people treat you due to the circumstance in which you are born with, and you don't need IQ for both.
Clavicular, our example, only got fame because of his personality, and his looks, which were born genetic.
Water, though, that there is no fame for your face, but there is fame for your IQ.



IQ vs Your Financial Status

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Easy section, I don't even have to bring out any studies for this one, which you think I would, I just simply have to ask.
Top 1% Networth or IQ?
In the U.S.A. top 1% IQ is 135
In the U.S.A. top 1% networth is $11.6 million to $13.7 million [minimum entry [yes, seriously]]
Which would you rather have?
"I would simply pick the IQ, then use that IQ to make more than that by the time I'm 40"
No no no, we already debunked that cope in the IQ vs Looks chapter.
If 3 million out of that 11.6-13.7 million dollars was in cash [big if], you could put all that money in the bank, and live off the interest earning 120,000 a year.
Top 0.0002% Networth or IQ?

170 IQ or $47 million networth

If you pick the networth, you're right.
If you pick the IQ, you're also right, since you actually do need the IQ points if you deadass picked it, utter retard.


The Importance of IQ
IQ in of itself

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I believe IQ matters. I believe Race matters. I believe Looks matter, I believe Personality matters, I believe NT/ND Status matters, I believe Height matters, I believe the sound of your Voice matters, I believe location matters, I believe Social status matters, I believe Financial status matters, I believe Occupation matters, I believe Health matters, I believe your biological Sex matters.
IQ matters
Everything matters.
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IQ is not insignificant, nothing is, but for IQ, it really is ONE OF the most important variables.
I just don't believe it's in the top 10
And I DEFINITELY don't believe it's in the top 5.
I will end this thread with something I have said in a previous one,



Higher IQ does correlate with higher salary.
Higher IQ does correlate with higher happiness.
Higher IQ does correlate with Higher empathy.
But so does all the other variables I mentioned, and they make more of an impact.
And no, you are not a misunderstood 170 IQ genius rotting on a forum of people stupider than you, with your genius just waiting to shine upon all of us once you decide to try. You will end up a 40 yr old internet rotter if you keep thinking like this.



TL;DR

Looks over IQ

NT over IQ

Fame, money, health, status, race, job, parental situation, whether or not they love you, your sound of your voice, all more important than IQ

IQ is COPE for those who have nothing else.




What is the third reason why people over value IQ?
Because people in this forum constantly overrate it for the other 2 reasons.



Smart at first sight

Swedish data

Dating app data
Tinders user's statistics

IQ % calculations

Wage % calculations

The other pieces of data I reference are not important enough to the thread where I can be bothered to find the links as I'm at the end, just reverse image search niggas


INB4 SEMANTICS FROM IQ COPERS
INB4 COPE ABOUT HOW YOU CAN'T APPRECIATE MUH ART OR PHILOSOPHY OR HIGH IQ MUSIC
NOBODY CARES
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SUPER TLDR: NO IQ FOR YOUR PENIS SIZE
 
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I thought you meant reading the psychology literature, which is what I do and what I base my threads on when I talk about human psychology/disorders, playing around AI won't help you learn shiiit
you just use AI to get bunch of prompts on the possible cures & look up research papers on them.

did bro not read the money part of the original thread
irrelevant
if you removed
Dolph's looks
his status
his money
his job
his NT/ND
and his IQ
each separately in a different situation, and ran the simulation 1,000 times each, the one who had his IQ would be seen to have a much lower impact than the rest.
he just lucked out
you remove his IQ & run the simulation 100 times, 1 time he's The Ivan Drago
& rest 99, just some random working class buff guy who acted in some movies.
most won't even spend money on acting & fashion industry is just not the way, he had the backup.
There are many good-looking guys & girls who fail to make anything out of their looks
their social medias won't blow up & no one taking them for acting/modelling
Lot of the time they even fail to achieve the dating market benefits, because of not being aware or psychopathic.

look at any ND person, they are addressing it and getting support for it
Obviously it's not binary, I could show you some clinical retard, what would that prove?

Incoming ADHD as an example? Many of it's medications have adverse effects long term, or give you dependency, or builds tolerance, or is only a bandaid in a bullet hole, or a combination of the 4.
JFL
you're" dependent" in a sense to function properly anyways. you just do 5 days on rest days off.
why does it matter?
It's not a bandage in a bullet hole, it's a Godsend.
the sides are not even worth talking about when there's 1000 ways around it.
"Many of it's medications have adverse effects long term":lul:
surely low anxiety, stability, self esteem, better career are so adverse
"Of course, you might not be functioning as well as the average person"
I very much dislike it when people are explaining their world view to me, then bring up something that shatters their world view whilst explaining it, and act as if because they brung it up they are free from criticism with it. This is a BIG ofcourse you have here.
yapping for no reason while leaving the main points
It was about the comparison of autism vs low IQ defect.
you understand this yourself:
Well, social proof is the strongest way to nullify your Neurodivergency. There is no true way and there will never be a true way to mask your ND, the best you can do is to do small things to nullify it to give yourself some leeway
gaining a huge risk of getting bullied, and over a 40% of being a virgin by adulthood? [12% for NT's]
These 2 are pretty much avoidable with proper protocols

Those are symptoms, not disorders
Having symptoms doesn't make you ND, having disorders makes you ND,
look at any ND person, they are addressing it and getting support for it
I was talking about help inhibiting repulsive behaviors for the sake of social game
you were talking about shy as being ND & highly extroverted as NT, now It's just bottom 1% level 3 autistic people?
The former is 100% fixable & quite easy
You still can pull of ecstasy, & oxytocin to get some success for the latter & do some damage control


anyone can be constituted as anxious or hyperactive or irritable or neurotic.
As for those symptoms, many of the time they cannot be managed, the chance they can is down to luck, and it doesn't fix the root cause, which will also cause other symptoms, there really is no mental disorder that is only responsible for 1 symptom
The symptoms are problems themselves
it ain't just about the root cause
 

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