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Can 16 year old take creatine?? I need DHT
And collagen
And collagen
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SOURCE SON?yes it is
i dont know about DHT and collagen relation, but it would make sense that dht is not good for collagen? im not sureSOURCE SON?
AND WON'T IT DECREASE COLLAGEN OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT?
you won't get a bigger dick on creatine if that's what you think.SOURCE SON?
AND WON'T IT DECREASE COLLAGEN OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT?
I WANT TO BE A HIGH T, HIGH DHT, LOW E BEAST, WHAT SHOULD I TAKE SON?just lol
you're seriously considering creatine for DHT?
get some androstanolone and shut the fuck up, stop being a pussy.
you won't get a bigger dick on creatine if that's what you think.
My DHT is cucked by minoxidil and was confirmed by lab testsif you are going the DHT way, then you have "few" major opponents (which ruin or make adverse effect of DHT):
too much DKK-1
too less WNT Pathway (Wingless)
too much GSK-3
too less SMAD-1
too less DLX3
Those are complete and utter fuckers (which are roughly the cause of hairloss; there are other factors too)
There is already something for GSK-3 Inhibition but I havent informed myself about it
Fort WNT there is going to be SM04554 released in June (hopefully)
I dont know about the rest
I restrict myself to post something like this because I dont want to end up like @x30001
high IQ users wouldnt chime in anyways
@Mayorga for example
I think I remember reading somewhere that DHT has a negative effect on collagen, supposedly skin quality improves on a 5AR inhibitor in some cases.i dont know about DHT and collagen relation, but it would make sense that dht is not good for collagen? im not sure
but creatine increases DHT
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19741313
Well considering my dht is fucked and so is my collagen that's not the caseI think I remember reading somewhere that DHT has a negative effect on collagen, supposedly skin quality improves on a 5AR inhibitor in some cases.
The libido problems make sense, but DHT doesn't have anything to do with muscle mass I'm pretty sure. Again, it sounds like you may have high estrogen as well.My DHT is cucked by minoxidil and was confirmed by lab tests
My Test is 895, very high for a 16 year old, but my DHT is 45, on the low end of healthy range. I've had problems with libido and putting on muscle recently. My doctor said my dht was low for my high test but not low enough for treatment options usually only for those 30 or below (rage)
Minoxidil may suppress androgen receptor-related functions
Although minoxidil has been used for more than two decades to treat androgenetic alopecia (AGA), an androgen-androgen receptor (AR) pathway-dominant disease, its precise mechanism of action remains elusive. We hypothesized that minoxidil may influence ...www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
That doesn't necessarily mean that therefore DHT doesn't have a negative effect on collagen, just because both are low at once for you.Well considering my dht is fucked and so is my collagen that's not the case
I think it's because dht increases sebum. Probably why roidcels age like shitI think I remember reading somewhere that DHT has a negative effect on collagen, supposedly skin quality improves on a 5AR inhibitor in some cases.
May very well be part of it. That's partly why some notice decreased acne on a 5AR inhibitor as well.I think it's because dht increases sebum. Probably why roidcels age like shit
T increases sebum and most steroids are derivatives of TI think it's because dht increases sebum. Probably why roidcels age like shit
The libido problems make sense, but DHT doesn't have anything to do with muscle mass I'm pretty sure. Again, it sounds like you may have high estrogen as well.
That doesn't necessarily mean that therefore DHT doesn't have a negative effect on collagen, just because both are low at once for you.
>Dihydroxytestosterone, but not testosterone, produced increases force production in fast contracting muscles. Testosterone alone was not found to have an effect on muscle mass or growth. These findings suggest that DHT may be a better muscle building hormone than testosterone.
source for androstenedione?just lol
you're seriously considering creatine for DHT?
get some androstanolone and shut the fuck up, stop being a pussy.
you won't get a bigger dick on creatine if that's what you think.
Seems like an indirect application rather than a firm proof that it increases muscle mass in humans. We know that DHT doesn't increase muscle mass from roids, DHT is immediately hydrolyzed (IIRC) in the muscle and rendered ineffective. Roids that use DHT have to modify it so it can actually have an androgenic effect.Dihydrotestosterone stimulates amino acid uptake and the expression of LAT2 in mouse skeletal muscle fibres through an ERK1/2-dependent mechanism
In a recent study we showed that dihydrotestosterone (DHT), but not testosterone, increases force production in fast contracting muscles and decreases it in slow contracting ones. These findings led us to suggest that DHT may be a better muscle building ...www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Thank god for pubmed.
I have 895ng/dl+ T and my skin is as dry as the sahara and I have no acneT increases sebum and most steroids are derivatives of T
but then again, T get reduced to DHT
EstradiolI have 895ng/dl+ T and my skin is as dry as the sahara and I have no acne
Before minoxidil I had quite oily skin and would get acne.
I think as the research comes out more and more scientists will realize that testosterone alone doesn't do shit besides make you angry and it's the derivatives such as DHT that have the typical hormonal effects such as acne, muscle mass, ect.
Indirect application = critical thinkingSeems like an indirect application rather than a firm proof that it increases muscle mass in humans. We know that DHT doesn't increase muscle mass from roids, DHT is immediately hydrolyzed (IIRC) in the muscle and rendered ineffective. Roids that use DHT have to modify it so it can actually have an androgenic effect.
>critical thinkingIndirect application = critical thinking
Dawg, when I was 15 and horny through the roof and norwooding like a motherfucker I would hit the gym and my arms would look like balloons after just one session. I had a 7 inch donger at 15 and basically ALL signs of high DHT
Now I have no hairloss and all the signs of low DHT and I can't even get a pump.
I am a high IQ critical thinker, most people in my situation would visit a therapist and assume they have a mental disorder is why they can't gain muscle but I'm realistic. I'm not high E I have narrow hips and no breasts, almost no BF at all, I'm definitely not High E. I'm Low DHT which I literally got measured and you're still here wanting to waste my time even further getting my estrogen measured. If anything my estrogen is low as well because I don't have any sexual thoughts.
check itEstradiol
what happens?what happens to your E when your DHT falls
It rises. DHT is an anti-estrogenic, and furthermore if there is less DHT conversion happening there is an opportunity for more E conversion to happen. If you take a 5AR inhibitor your estrogen rises in response, there is a lot of logical thought that this is what results in the side effects, not low DHT alone. One obvious one is gyno, that is not caused by too low DHT lol its caused by too high E.check it
and supplement DHEA and Pregnenolone, and maybe eat a bit more meat for the Cholesterin
Also use moisturizer and Vitamin C (ascorbin acid)
what happens?
So I should inject E? Is that really what you're unironically saying?>critical thinking
>posts an anecdote and a mouse study
yeah ok dog lol
Jesus Christ why do I still try and take you seriously
for you own good look up what happens to your E when your DHT falls, you should know this shit already
hehe, I wanted to test youIt rises. DHT is an anti-estrogenic, and furthermore if there is less DHT conversion happening there is an opportunity for more E conversion to happen. If you take a 5AR inhibitor your estrogen rises in response, there is a lot of logical thought that this is what results in the side effects, not low DHT alone. One obvious one is gyno, that is not caused by too low DHT lol its caused by too high E.
@SquareChinOrDeath talked a lot about this.
You think I'm telling you to inject E lol dude what the fuck are you talking about? I am saying that your E might be too high, you can't even track my posts and then you went off on this weird ass goose hunt jumping at some ghost you projected in this completely logically backwards fashion. In your last thread I told you to get your DHT back up LOLSo I should inject E? Is that really what you're unironically saying?
Any imbalance in my hormones that is causing my E to raise would be offset by fixing my DHT. Why would I even bother touching my estrogen? If my estrogen is high it's because my dht is low.
I'm really not trying to start an argument here, I just know that any stupid mistakes with steroids especially at 16/17 years old can caus a lot of damage and regret. Injecting estrogen as a teenage male sounds like the stupidest fucking thing possible and honestly, Minoxidil cucked my DHT, that is the main hormone that has been effected, clearly. Fucking with my other hormones could cause even more problems.
It's far more likely that I can't gain muscle because my DHT went from ~75 to 45. Just saying. The fact I have high testosterone, unreasonably high for a 16 year old, is proof of this. My T isn't getting converted to DHT, which is why I end up with ridiculous numbers like 900ng/dl at age 16.
glad I passed kekhehe, I wanted to test you
I thought you would say Aromatase
Yeahglad I passed kek
At the end of the day my collagen is what matters the most. I look like a bozo junkie methhead. I will reconsider DHT replacement, because with my collagenless skin and hair it will cause insane amounts of acne and hairloss.
check Estradiol, also look into Progesterones
and supplement DHEA and Pregnenolone, and maybe eat a bit more meat for the Cholesterin
Also use moisturizer and Vitamin C (ascorbin acid)
Yeah probably. But the other side of things is possibly losing out on masculine development in critical years because of DHT that is too low.At the end of the day my collagen is what matters the most. I look like a bozo junkie methhead. I will reconsider DHT replacement, because with my collagenless skin and hair it will cause insane amounts of acne and hairloss.
check it
and supplement DHEA and Pregnenolone, and maybe eat a bit more meat for the Cholesterin
Also use moisturizer and Vitamin C (ascorbin acid)
what happens?
My face already looks about masc enough. I mean, is Chico masc? No and foids and gaybros swoon over him all around. I'm slightly more masc than Chico at this point, which is good enough for me.Yeah probably. But the other side of things is possibly losing out on masculine development in critical years because of DHT that is too low.
Don't you have a very low fwhr?My face already looks about masc enough. I mean, is Chico masc? No and foids and gaybros swoon over him all around. I'm slightly more masc than Chico at this point, which is good enough for me.
Nobody told you to inject E bro holy shitThe Minoxidil is what caused my low DHT, I'm not going to get into specifics of the methodology but basically it lowers the amount of fibroblast cells your body produces, along with lysyl hydroxylase. So Injecting Estrogen, which is literally the stupidest fucking thing ever, is not what I need to do.
I already moisturize and have used vitamin C serums in the past to no benefit besides even more dry, inflammated skin.
Its about average, used to be way higher when I was 14 and my friends said my face was wideDon't you have a very low fwhr?
He told me to hop on Estradiol lmao.Nobody told you to inject E bro holy shit
Pretty sure he meant check your E2 levels brahHe told me to hop on Estradiol lmao.
Wouldn't low DHT in general be associated with low libido? I highly doubt my estrogen is high but I guess I'll ask my doc when I see her next to see if she tested it. I have legit no signs of high E, my face is lean as fuck, I have little bodyfat, manboobs, nothing. All I need is muscle which isn't physically forming for me right now for some reason.Your libido issues are more likely associated with higher estrogen. If your body is converting to dht at a lower rate giving you high free T, then it’ll most likely be converting to estrogen at a high rate. If you want to boost T, easier than anabolics, take nicotine. It inhibits reduction from 3 alpha HSD which limits DHT. You get another 50% likely
retard, DHT isn't anabolic.I have 895ng/dl+ T and my skin is as dry as the sahara and I have no acne
Before minoxidil I had quite oily skin and would get acne.
I think as the research comes out more and more scientists will realize that testosterone alone doesn't do shit besides make you angry and it's the derivatives such as DHT that have the typical hormonal effects such as acne, muscle mass, ect.
" We also suggest that DHT is the main anabolic–androgenic steroid in adult mammalian skeletal muscles "retard, DHT isn't anabolic.
you're a fucking liar, there's no possible way that Minoxidil could cause the permanent destruction of the 5-alpha-reductase enzyme, that's absolutely retarded, you haven't been on minox for how many months now?It's far more likely that I can't gain muscle because my DHT went from ~75 to 45. Just saying. The fact I have high testosterone, unreasonably high for a 16 year old, is proof of this. My T isn't getting converted to DHT, which is why I end up with ridiculous numbers like 900ng/dl at age 16.
you don't know anything you fuckwit, absolute brainlet" We also suggest that DHT is the main anabolic–androgenic steroid in adult mammalian skeletal muscles "
Dihydrotestosterone stimulates amino acid uptake and the expression of LAT2 in mouse skeletal muscle fibres through an ERK1/2-dependent mechanism
In a recent study we showed that dihydrotestosterone (DHT), but not testosterone, increases force production in fast contracting muscles and decreases it in slow contracting ones. These findings led us to suggest that DHT may be a better muscle building ...www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Caging so hard right now, I literally googled is dht anabolic
you're a fucking liar, there's no possible way that Minoxidil could cause the permanent destruction of the 5-alpha-reductase enzyme, that's absolutely retarded, you haven't been on minox for how many months now?
you don't have 900ng/dl you lying cunt, firstly even men with god-tier hormonal profiles need the correct amount of sleep, sunshine, exercise and diet to reach the 900-1200 zone, you're claiming you haven't left the house in a month, and that you had 5 hours of sleep the night prior, ffs.