crude writeup on insulin and exogenous HGH/GSH relationship

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Dear diary.

Insulin, being the most anabolic hormone in the body, is important. Its the permissive window that allows growth. You can spike it by using sugar or the manufactured powder dextrose postworkout. dextrose SHAKES are what bodybuilders use after workout.

I have already stated this, but because its the "permissive window" its one of the best levers to enhance dimorphism/growth in general, like HDACi & oncology medication that modulate AR transcription at the genetic level, high insulin spikes just enhance the body's already present hormones by a significant margin.

attached is short from bodybuilder, "with the use of insulin I went from 275 to 302 in 2 weeks."

Pinning insulin shuttles all the glucose (sugar) out of your blood into growth sensitive tissue ((mainly muscle.)) glucose is the primary energy source that supports the anabolic process. the neurons in the brain need a constant source of glucose in order to survive, if you mess up a dose, your blood glucose can drop too low, neurons will start dying, you will have brain damage in 30mins and maybe dead in 2-3hs.

Its the permissive window that allows growth.
its a WINDOW for growth, which is why you spike it postworkout as thats when the signal for growth is strongest.

Ive written on GH, insulin, and cardio before, but only made the connection this week

when you pin exo HGH, the body upregulates insulin desensitization to prevent supraphysiological growth as a form of counter-regulation

The body reads a high dose spike in IGF1 as unnatural, and attempts to stabilize it's unnatural effects by shrinking the window. that is in caveman lamen's terms obv is probably more complicated


this whole post is basically true

if you are using GHS you need something to control somatostatin to prevent the endogenous brake on growth, mk677 is great for worse results, diabetes, and water bloat retention. Anamorelin (its cousin medically approved in JP) is better for appetite stim. no 24h water bloat, active for 7hours instead of 24, (perfect for eating,) doesn't hit insulin as hard.

The only viable GLP1 ag and personal favorite drug of mine (besides telmisartan) is a PM metformin dose. Which blunts GH release but drastically increases insulin sensitivity relative to the blunted GH dose.

Note, GLP1 agonists is just tt buzzword at this point, idk what GLP even stands for all I know is that its what is used for fat people and diabetes. Diabetes comes from insulin desensitization (something we as GH users are trying to counteract.)

PM because metformin lowers appetite.

before the invention of new diabetes/fatpeople drugs CARDIO was the best way at controlling insulin sensitivity. the modern day glp1ags reta, ozempic, blablabla are better than it now but cardio was/is more effective than metformin. You will also not be able to eat on new GLP1 ags and they all have long durations.

Should be zone 2, 30mins in between lifting days.

Y? because of insulin sensitivity, meaning the person who does cardio grows larger than the one who does not.

Cardio indirectly significantly effects growth via controlling insulin resistance.

stationary bike, treadmill, etcetera, you should be able to talk, but not sing. That is how you effectively determine whether you are in zone 2.

My advice would be to just accept your height and maximise your body with gear in your 20s. Also wear sunscreen and use a retinoid (tazarotene mogs
So what would you „recommend“ for height maxxing? CJC and metformin(at what dose each should I start)? Should I use CJC with or without dac?
I recommend nothing
basically yes. orgposter attached grew up and realized how misaligned and irrelevant his pursuits were, ("pubertymaxxing.") If theres an oldhead on this forum whos still going at it they probably have some sort of extreme mental illness or autism that prevents them from having proper adult priorities.

Theres a good chance a lot of you who are actually doing drugs (which is not many, most people log into looksmax.org the self improvement forum to rot, not to self improve,) are going to look back in 5 years and realize that you were extremely retarded and that the risk reward was very low. esp if you are doing chinese research chemicals (self report) rather than just the standard AI and HGH for ISS idiopathic short stature.

"So why are u still here keit?"

I said I was blasting for 2yrs minimum, momma ain't raise no bitch.
 
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Dear diary.

Insulin, being the most anabolic hormone in the body, is important. Its the permissive window that allows growth. You can spike it by using sugar or the manufactured powder dextrose postworkout. dextrose SHAKES are what bodybuilders use after workout.

I have already stated this, but because its the "permissive window" its one of the best levers to enhance dimorphism/growth in general, like HDACi & oncology medication that modulate AR transcription at the genetic level, high insulin spikes just enhance the body's already present hormones by a significant margin.

attached is short from bodybuilder, "with the use of insulin I went from 275 to 302 in 2 weeks."

Pinning insulin shuttles all the glucose (sugar) out of your blood into growth sensitive tissue ((mainly muscle.)) glucose is the primary energy source that supports the anabolic process. the neurons in the brain need a constant source of glucose in order to survive, if you mess up a dose, your blood glucose can drop too low, neurons will start dying, you will have brain damage in 30mins and maybe dead in 2-3hs.


its a WINDOW for growth, which is why you spike it postworkout as thats when the signal for growth is strongest.

Ive written on GH, insulin, and cardio before, but only made the connection this week

when you pin exo HGH, the body upregulates insulin desensitization to prevent supraphysiological growth as a form of counter-regulation

The body reads a high dose spike in IGF1 as unnatural, and attempts to stabilize it's unnatural effects by shrinking the window. that is in caveman lamen's terms obv is probably more complicated


this whole post is basically true

if you are using GHS you need something to control somatostatin to prevent the endogenous brake on growth, mk677 is great for worse results, diabetes, and water bloat retention. Anamorelin (its cousin medically approved in JP) is better for appetite stim. no 24h water bloat, active for 7hours instead of 24, (perfect for eating,) doesn't hit insulin as hard.

The only viable GLP1 ag and personal favorite drug of mine (besides telmisartan) is a PM metformin dose. Which blunts GH release but drastically increases insulin sensitivity relative to the blunted GH dose.

Note, GLP1 agonists is just tt buzzword at this point, idk what GLP even stands for all I know is that its what is used for fat people and diabetes. Diabetes comes from insulin desensitization (something we as GH users are trying to counteract.)

PM because metformin lowers appetite.

before the invention of new diabetes/fatpeople drugs CARDIO was the best way at controlling insulin sensitivity. the modern day glp1ags reta, ozempic, blablabla are better than it now but cardio was/is more effective than metformin. You will also not be able to eat on new GLP1 ags and they all have long durations.

Should be zone 2, 30mins in between lifting days.

Y? because of insulin sensitivity, meaning the person who does cardio grows larger than the one who does not.

Cardio indirectly significantly effects growth via controlling insulin resistance.

stationary bike, treadmill, etcetera, you should be able to talk, but not sing. That is how you effectively determine whether you are in zone 2.




basically yes. orgposter attached grew up and realized how misaligned and irrelevant his pursuits were, ("pubertymaxxing.") If theres an oldhead on this forum whos still going at it they probably have some sort of extreme mental illness or autism that prevents them from having proper adult priorities.

Theres a good chance a lot of you who are actually doing drugs (which is not many, most people log into looksmax.org the self improvement forum to rot, not to self improve,) are going to look back in 5 years and realize that you were extremely retarded and that the risk reward was very low. esp if you are doing chinese research chemicals (self report) rather than just the standard AI and HGH for ISS idiopathic short stature.

"So why are u still here keit?"

I said I was blasting for 2yrs minimum, momma ain't raise no bitch.

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