does GOD exist?

[davinci]

I've been a Christian all my life, a very convinced one in the past few. Recently I've been doubting some things about God and His existence.
Has any of you thought of these before? What did you come up with?
PLEASE DO NOT RESPOND 'BECAUSE ITS FAKE' I'm trying to learn

1. why would a benevolent father would make unfairly suffer his beloved children? And I'm not talking about hardships that make you develop, but things like terminal cancer, extremely debilitating injuries etc that don't make you better in any way and you just die after suffering.

2. Why does God allow His OWN children to be born on a planet where there is suffering, asking them to neglect everything in it (that He allows to keep existing) (money, fame, success,..) just so that we can get in another life in another 'reality' that He too created?
Why doesn't He make us live in paradise directly? Also He knows that some of his children, born in this reality won't be saved for the afterlife and still decides to do so.

3. Why would He build an entire planet if He wanted us to live in the eden garden? that means that He knew that the original sin was bound to happen (or the possibility of it) and nevertheless allowed it to happen.

4. What does the afterlife even mean? What will anyone do for eternity? Why another life? Why not make us live forever straight away?

@Orc @PrinceLuenLeoncur @REGULUS @notsocommonthumb @marshadow

 

[Neucher]

Gandy is real

 

[Deleted member 115987]

Man im so lazy dnr a single god damn molecule.My feets up rotting on org...Nothing better

 

[RecessedCels]

Please don't let them brainwash you

 

[JeanneDArcAlter]

Yes but not the trinity

 

[optimisticzoomer]

Why would you ask other people, as though anyone knows?

 

[davinci]

Yes but not the trinity

jfl at answering 'yes' to 5 questions

 

[davinci]

Why would you ask other people, as though anyone knows?

idk maybe someone has already thought of these and come up with something convincing. what do YOU think?

 

[JeanneDArcAlter]

jfl at answering 'yes' to 5 questions

Answered the title
Suffering is a test and that you would even ask that question and doubt your faith because of it shows it
Life is a test basically for all of these questions
God knowing does not necessarily mean you dont have free will btw
Just because he knows what you will do does not mean it is determined you still made that decision independently

 

[davinci]

Answered the title
Suffering is a test and that you would even ask that question and doubt your faith because of it shows it
Life is a test basically for all of these questions

And I'm not talking about hardships that make you develop, but things like terminal cancer, extremely debilitating injuries etc that don't make you better in any way and you just die after suffering

not talking about the suffering that makes you better. in what way does terminal cancer make a 5yo child better??

 

[REGULUS]

Gandy is real

true

 

[optimisticzoomer]

idk maybe someone has already thought of these and come up with something convincing. what do YOU think?

I don't believe in a god
But I realise no one can know for sure
But I certainly don't believe in any religion or human ideas of god

 

[JeanneDArcAlter]

not talking about the suffering that makes you better. in what way does terminal cancer make a 5yo child better??

It is even more of a test in the sense that it makes you doubt your faith even more than suffering with a lesson

 

[davinci]

It is even more of a test in the sense that it makes you doubt your faith even more than suffering with a lesson

ok and why would He do so? To give you the possibility of turning away from Him because of your hardships and let you rot in hell afterwards?

 

[REGULUS]

Yes but not the trinity

this gives me arius and the council of nicaea type flashbacks~

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

I've been a Christian all my life, a very convinced one in the past few. Recently I've been doubting some things about God and His existence.
Has any of you thought of these before? What did you come up with?
PLEASE DO NOT RESPOND 'BECAUSE ITS FAKE' I'm trying to learn

1. why would a benevolent father would make unfairly suffer his beloved children? And I'm not talking about hardships that make you develop, but things like terminal cancer, extremely debilitating injuries etc that don't make you better in any way and you just die after suffering.

2. Why does God allow His OWN children to be born on a planet where there is suffering, asking them to neglect everything in it (that He allows to keep existing) (money, fame, success,..) just so that we can get in another life in another 'reality' that He too created?
Why doesn't He make us live in paradise directly? Also He knows that some of his children, born in this reality won't be saved for the afterlife and still decides to do so.

3. Why would He build an entire planet if He wanted us to live in the eden garden? that means that He knew that the original sin was bound to happen (or the possibility of it) and nevertheless allowed it to happen.

4. What does the afterlife even mean? What will anyone do for eternity? Why another life? Why not make us live forever straight away?

@Orc @PrinceLuenLeoncur @REGULUS @notsocommonthumb @marshadow

JFL not another “Why MUH suffering in hell question”


Ima copy and paste what I said to the two other users cos I cannot be arsed answering this question anymore



“
The western (Eternal suffering burning forever being tortured by Satan and his imps) idea of hell isn’t real

It’s an Frankish invention from Western Europe and has no basis in trad Christianity. It was there to punish serfs from upsetting other serfs but if those serfs upset their overlords they’d get in bigger punishment and bigger in the hierarchy of punishment depending on who they displease. So their retarded western euro logic was if gods eternal and the greatest then his punishment must be as extreme as his power which is divine eternal punishment.

This once again is a PROTCUCK and ROMANCUCKOLIC view of hell

He’ll is simply god giving you what you want and that’s not to be with him that’s it. And yes it’s torment and yes you exp the river of life like fire. Why? Because if all goodness comes from god then if your not with him you’ll exp negativity

It makes total perfect sense I dunno why western faggots have such a hard time understanding that hell makes total sense, god is loving but he’s also a judge, just like your dad if you misbehave he disciplines you

Hebrews 12
4 In your struggle against sin, you have not yet resisted to the point of shedding your blood.5 And have you completely forgotten this word of encouragement that addresses you as a father addresses his son? It says,

“My son, do not make light of the Lord’s discipline,
and do not lose heart when he rebukes you,
6 because the Lord disciplines the one he loves,
and he chastens everyone he accepts as his son.”[a]
7 Endure hardship as discipline; God is treating you as his children. For what children are not disciplined by their father? 8 If you are not disciplined—and everyone undergoes discipline—then you are not legitimate, not true sons and daughters at all. 9 Moreover, we have all had human fathers who disciplined us and we respected them for it. How much more should we submit to the Father of spirits and live! 10 They disciplined us for a little while as they thought best; but God disciplines us for our good, in order that we may share in his holiness. 11 No discipline seems pleasant at the time, but painful. Later on, however, it produces a harvest of righteousness and peace for those who have been trained by it.

 

[JeanneDArcAlter]

ok and why would He do so? To give you the possibility of turning away from Him because of your hardships and let you rot in hell afterwards?

Faith
Religion requires a jump of faith
Hell is a just punishment because all humans are sinful

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

Yes but not the trinity

1 + 1 + 1 =3 type Mohammeden sandnigger inbred argument


Bruh GET YO 2 right armed knee cap multiple eyes and blouse Allah ass outta HERE WITH YOUR 99 ATTRIBUTES AND YOUR QURAN BEING THE LITERAL WORD OF ALLAH BITCH ASS NIGGA

 

[ltn gooner]

To question 2,3 and 4 he gave us free will to choose between him and the World and in the garden of Eden eve choose to follow the sin instead of God and i believe in the Garden there was no cancer and shit so i think that cancer was created from the devil and is a consequence of staying away from God and about 4. Just look up some yt Videos what haven will be like. God bless yall

 

[JeanneDArcAlter]

1 + 1 + 1 =3 type Mohammeden sandnigger inbred argument

Didnt understand award

 

[Godera]

Nobody can know, i think the god depicted in organized religion is highly unlikely, but theres a good chance of a higher being

 

[RecessedCels]

ok and why would He do so? To give you the possibility of turning away from Him because of your hardships and let you rot in hell afterwards?

Exactly. Why would he create a test knowing most people will be tortured for eternity? That's fucking evil

 

[RecessedCels]

To question 2,3 and 4 he gave us free will to choose between him and the World and in the garden of Eden eve choose to follow the sin instead of God and i believe in the Garden there was no cancer and shit so i think that cancer was created from the devil and is a consequence of staying away from God and about 4. Just look up some yt Videos what haven will be like. God bless yall

Why? Why the test? Why risk people suffering

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

Didnt understand award

One essense (one thing, what you are) three hypostasis (fundamental modes of divine reality) who you ARE. Aka


3 particulars all sharing in the Indivisible essense physis of the Father


Really reallllllyyyyy

Realllllllyyyyyy simple.

 

[superpsycho]

i dont know

 

[JeanneDArcAlter]

3
Indivisible

Unless your saying theyre all the same thing simantaneously which makes no sense then this makes no sense
1x1x1 still = cubic 1 which is bigger than each of the individual 1s or
1 x 1 x 1 the crossed 2 are irrelevant and its just basically telling the number to just repeat itself once which means theres literal no new information you cna do this for the other 2 components and it means that its 33% for each

 

[ltn gooner]

Why? Why the test? Why risk people suffering

Because he gave us all free will he can't just take some bad people like AH his free will that would be against him Overall but in the end idk why he lets us suffer but you are not gonna suffer if u really believe in him and have a clone relationship with him even if you are tortured or some shit your faith and the holy spirit will help you through that

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

Exactly. Why would he create a test knowing most people will be tortured for eternity? That's fucking evil

Who said you get “tortured” that’s not at all what the church fathers say nor what the ancient Christian’s believed.


You simply get removed from the source of goodness which is GOD. In your life you choose if you wanna spend it with him or away from him and that’s what hell is. Now When you’re in hell you are tormented from YOUR OWN REGRET, just like Jesus said to the rich man of Lazzarus.

Notice how the TORMENT is self inflicted, you feel gods love but to you it’s fire because you reject it and thus your in perpetual misery because you chose to not be with the ultimate source of LOVE


GOD LOVES YOU AND TRUE LOVE IS HIM ALLOWING YOU TO HAVE YOUR FREE WILL WHICH IS NOT TO BE WITH HIM HE RESPECTS THAT AND THATS WHY YOURE IN HELL

 

[RecessedCels]

Because he gave us all free will he can't just take some bad people like AH his free will that would be against him Overall but in the end idk why he lets us suffer but you are not gonna suffer if u really believe in him and have a clone relationship with him even if you are tortured or some shit your faith and the holy spirit will help you through that

Is human existence more important than stopping majority of people from being tortured for an eternity

 

[RecessedCels]

Who said you get “tortured” that’s not at all what the church fathers say nor what the ancient Christian’s believed.


You simply get removed from the source of goodness which is GOD. In your life you choose if you wanna spend it with him or away from him and that’s what hell is. Now When you’re in hell you are tormented from YOUR OWN REGRET, just like Jesus said to the rich man of Lazzarus.

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Notice how the TORMENT is self inflicted, you feel gods love but to you it’s fire because you reject it and thus your in perpetual misery because you chose to not be with the ultimate source of LOVE


GOD LOVES YOU AND TRUE LOVE IS HIM ALLOWING YOU TO HAVE YOUR FREE WILL WHICH IS NOT TO BE WITH HIM HE RESPECTS THAT AND THATS WHY YOURE IN HELL

That's the only "torture"?

 

[davinci]

JFL not another “Why MUH suffering in hell question”


Ima copy and paste what I said to the two other users cos I cannot be arsed answering this question anymore



“
The western (Eternal suffering burning forever being tortured by Satan and his imps) idea of hell isn’t real

It’s an Frankish invention from Western Europe and has no basis in trad Christianity. It was there to punish serfs from upsetting other serfs but if those serfs upset their overlords they’d get in bigger punishment and bigger in the hierarchy of punishment depending on who they displease. So their retarded western euro logic was if gods eternal and the greatest then his punishment must be as extreme as his power which is divine eternal punishment.

This once again is a PROTCUCK and ROMANCUCKOLIC view of hell

He’ll is simply god giving you what you want and that’s not to be with him that’s it. And yes it’s torment and yes you exp the river of life like fire. Why? Because if all goodness comes from god then if your not with him you’ll exp negativity

It makes total perfect sense I dunno why western faggots have such a hard time understanding that hell makes total sense, god is loving but he’s also a judge, just like your dad if you misbehave he disciplines you

Hebrews 12
4 In your struggle against sin, you have not yet resisted to the point of shedding your blood.5 And have you completely forgotten this word of encouragement that addresses you as a father addresses his son? It says,

“My son, do not make light of the Lord’s discipline,
and do not lose heart when he rebukes you,
6 because the Lord disciplines the one he loves,
and he chastens everyone he accepts as his son.”[a]
7 Endure hardship as discipline; God is treating you as his children. For what children are not disciplined by their father? 8 If you are not disciplined—and everyone undergoes discipline—then you are not legitimate, not true sons and daughters at all. 9 Moreover, we have all had human fathers who disciplined us and we respected them for it. How much more should we submit to the Father of spirits and live! 10 They disciplined us for a little while as they thought best; but God disciplines us for our good, in order that we may share in his holiness. 11 No discipline seems pleasant at the time, but painful. Later on, however, it produces a harvest of righteousness and peace for those who have been trained by it.

thanks, read every word.

1. why would a benevolent father would make unfairly suffer his beloved children? And I'm not talking about hardships that make you develop, but things like terminal cancer, extremely debilitating injuries etc that don't make you better in any way and you just die after suffering.

what do you think about this?

 

[davinci]

Because he gave us all free will he can't just take some bad people like AH his free will that would be against him Overall but in the end idk why he lets us suffer but you are not gonna suffer if u really believe in him and have a clone relationship with him even if you are tortured or some shit your faith and the holy spirit will help you through that

but 'bad people' are still His children right? why not make us spawn in paradise directly when no one has to suffer / can sin

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

Unless your saying theyre all the same thing simantaneously which makes no sense then this makes no sense
1x1x1 still = cubic 1 which is bigger or
1 x 1 x 1 the crossed 2 are irrelevant and its just basically telling the number to just repeat itself once which means theres literal no new information you cna do this for the other 2 components and it means that its 33% for each

They are are the same “thing”


That’s the point and yes it does make sense, your rushing your limited human knowledge and phrenominal experience of the created level in order to judge and say how an being that lives in a higher realists than us not constraint to space time and our materialism must be?

Do you not see how dumb you sound even Allah says he unlike anything in creation and yet your limiting him based on created limitations.



Anyways what’s 1x1x1

What’s 1*3

That’s 1%1%1% (divided sign)

Yeah it’s all 1

So stfu Mohammeden get fucked. We count the persons 2nd order imposition by identity but count the essence by division (first order imposition) it’s very clear it’s very easy and common sense. I mean the same way a train with 3 carriages are still one train the same applies here or how a cake split into 3 is still one cake or how a paper ripped into 3 is still one paper just ripped in 3. Stupid ass Mohammed

 

[ltn gooner]

Is human existence more important than stopping majority of people from being tortured for an eternity

Yeah absolutly because God gives us that opportunity to live forever with him in heaven and we know as you said that the majority of people wont make it to haven but he knows that he will save so many of us that he lets us live and suffer.

 

[RecessedCels]

Yeah absolutly because God gives us that opportunity to live forever with him in heaven and we know as you said that the majority of people wont make it to haven but he knows that he will save so many of us that he lets us live and suffer.

Holy shit

 

[davinci]

Yeah absolutly because God gives us that opportunity to live forever with him in heaven and we know as you said that the majority of people wont make it to haven but he knows that he will save so many of us that he lets us live and suffer.

what do you do during eternal life? @PrinceLuenLeoncur

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

thanks, read every word.

what do you think about this?

Brother if you prefer our theology I suggest you look up Eastern Orthodoxy. We are the orginal church the Roman Catholics come from us originally as we are their daddy the same way Protestants come from Roman Catholics. I suggest looking for any Antiochian, Russian, Greek, Romanian or Serbian church in your vicinity and speaking to the priest there he will help you on your guide to rid yourself from false western doctrines such as torture in hell brother.

Eternal life with god is nothing we can explain for it will be pleasure beyond pleasure and peace beyond peace, you’ll be with him forever singing his praises being with family and generally in harmony with our god, no more want no more pain no more sorrow all will be equal to the Lord and we will bask in his glory forever in joy and do whatever we desire but with the caviat that all is holy

You can ask me any question you have pertaining to the ONE TRUE FAITH. Be it here or DMs.

 

[ltn gooner]

but 'bad people' are still His children right? why not make us spawn in paradise directly when no one has to suffer / can sin

Firstly i dont know why God does things we only can learn from the bible and the saints. And about that children thing i heard that it isnt written in the bible like that but logically were all sons of God so idk about that one. And on the other Hand God wants to save as much people as he can because he Lovestory us all equally so he wants to save all the "Bad" people. And also were all Bad people bc we all have sinned so he would despawn us too if Jesus hadnt died for Our sins

 

[JeanneDArcAlter]

Anyways what’s 1x1x1

What’s 1*3

That’s 1%1%1% (divided sign)

Yeah it’s all 1

Anyways its retarded appeal to unknowability
And you cant use different systems to categorize whether its different or the same
You cant just do that when its convenient jfl

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

Holy shit

I see you’re a filthy snake who goes after retarded heretics you already were given a true answer of what historical Christian “hell” is like and you still pick on retarded Protestants who follow a false religion and doctrine because you know their theology is contradictory and mine isn’t. You’re a coward

 

[ltn gooner]

Holy shit

Still have questions? if not God bless you and your familie remember he loves you

 

[RecessedCels]

I see you’re a filthy snake who goes after retarded heretics you already were given a true answer of what historical Christian “hell” is like and you still pick on retarded Protestants who follow a false religion and doctrine because you know their theology is contradictory and mine isn’t. You’re a coward

Why would I not talk with christians that have the most common beliefs

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

1x1x1 = cubic 1
Anyways its retarded appeal to unknowability
And you cant use different systems to categorize whether its different or the same
You cant just do that when its convenient jfl

Ok

Ima use Fractals

A= A, B, C



In the A also includes that very A (the Father), but A the fractal only exists as having A B and C. But A is one fractal, but also has 3 which make up that fractal whole. Thefore B and C are also == A B C for none exist without each other and A to exist it will always be A, B and C because they are all under the category A.

Just like that I used mathmatics to fuck you over now stfu

 

[JeanneDArcAlter]

Anyways its retarded appeal to unknowability
And you cant use different systems to categorize whether its different or the same
You cant just do that when its convenient jfl

Say we have 3 persons
They all have equal power but are distinct in how they were generated
Unless u wanna move the goalposts then ok

 

[obscuredusk]

paganism is real

 

[JeanneDArcAlter]

Ok

Ima use Fractals

A= A, B, C



In the A also includes that very A (the Father), but A the fractal only exists as having A B and C. But A is one fractal, but also has 3 which make up that fractal whole. Thefore B and C are also == A B C for none exist without each other and A to exist it will always be A, B and C.

Just like that I used mathmatics to fuck you over now stfu

Thats retarded tho some infinites are bigger than tohers

 

[JeanneDArcAlter]

Thats retarded tho some infinites are bigger than tohers

You shouldve used the 1x1x1 argument thats way better than the fractal one

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

Say we have 3 persons
They all have equal power but are distinct in how they were generated
Unless u wanna move the goalposts then ok

Properties specific to each person doesn’t in any way refute or deminish the trinity

The father is Asae, the Son is begotten the Spirit proceedes


The same way Adam was made, Eve proceeded from his rib and Seth was begotten from Eve

All are equally Human aren’t they


Well then stfu


Each particular has an property specific to them, however each particular contains the same undivided essense of God, the same will, mind and action

 

[ltn gooner]

I see you’re a filthy snake who goes after retarded heretics you already were given a true answer of what historical Christian “hell” is like and you still pick on retarded Protestants who follow a false religion and doctrine because you know their theology is contradictory and mine isn’t. You’re a coward

We all follow one God bro the protestants are just Christians as we are (not that liberal protestants who worship a non Binary God)

 

[JeanneDArcAlter]

Properties specific to each person doesn’t in any way refute or deminish the trinity

The father is Asae, the Son is begotten the Spirit proceedes


The same way Adam was made, Eve proceeded from his rib and Seth was begotten from Eve

All are equally Human aren’t they


Well then stfu


Each particular has an property specific to them, however each particular contains the same undivided essense of God, the same will, mind and action

One times one times one doesnt work in this context btw
Say you have 3 objects and wish to know the value of their weight together
You would not multiply their weights together to know the final weight would you?
That we can see this in comprehendible items and see that it is not true means it is not true at the immanent phase either or you could say its possible because its immanent and addition turns to multiplication or exponents or whatever but whatever thats appeal to unknowability
Meaning you would multiply their power levels which means
Infinity x infinity x infinity = larger infinity
They are equally human but they are distinct