EFFORTLESS Leanmaxxing/Weight Loss Guide (100% SUCCESS RATE) (REVERSE OBESITY)

[divinesub5]

If you are obese chances are you were on multiple weight loss regiments at some points in your life. You may have tried keto, low fat, going vegan, prolonged fasting, intermittent fasting, alternate-day-fasting but nothing seems to work or any success you've had was very short lived.
(You might also be a metabolically healthy individual who's looking to shed a few pounds. This will also work just as well as it would if you were obese.)

If this is the case then the answer might be extreme protein restriction.

Fitfags tell you to eat all the protein and cut out the carbs, or watch your calories but eat a lot of protein. But what you really should be doing is cutting out ALL the protein (<1%) and eating all the carbs.
Why? First of all, protein is literally making you fatter, especially if you are a metabolically impaired individual (obese), consuming BCAAs in excess just makes you put on more and more blubber. (If you were lean you'd put on muscle if you consumed BCAAs in excess but you aren't.) Second of all cutting out protein means you cut out essential amino acids, like cysteine, methionine etc, this causes the body to activate the production of FGF21 hormone which kicks your metabolism into another gear (more calories out), It also increases the production of GDF15 which has similar effects to GLP1 (appetite suppression) making you eat less. Restricting protein was also shown to tank your insulin, improving your insulin sensitivity and improving your reception of FGF21 and GDF15 making them more effective. (Insulin resistance blunts the effects of both hormones.)

A study in rats showed that cysteine deficiency (from extreme protein restriction) caused a 20% reduction in body weight in 2 days and a 30% reduction in a week.
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2024.07.30.605703v1 (study funded by the chan zuckerberg initiative)
>"In summary, our investigation highlights that cysteine restriction, by depleting GSH and CoA, exerts a maximal impact on weight loss, metabolism, and stress signaling compared to other amino acid restrictions. These findings may pave the way for innovative strategies for addressing a range of metabolic diseases and the growing obesity crisis."

So what should you eat?

-Nothing but simple carbs all day, fructose, sucrose, glucose.
This means you can eat as much as you want of:
-Fruits (non-startchy)
-Sodas and Fruit juices.
-Candies as long as they don't contain fats and proteins
- e.g Nerds, mike and ikes, gummy bears, sour gummy bears, jolly ranchers, Hershey's chocolate syrup, skittles, etc etc
-No fats because fat and carbs are obesogenic (randle cycle). You CAN eat Fat and Carbs together if you are eating in an overall caloric deficit. Otherwise just carbs.
-No startch at all.
-You CAN eat and you should eat Gelatin (which is a protein). Gelatin doesn't contain Cysteine or any of the other amino acids so has no effect on ---FGF21. Gelatin contains Glycine which is pro-metabollic (boosts thyroid). So gummybearmaxx.
-LOTS AND LOTS OF CAFFEINE. (Caffeine will boost your metabolism even beyond FGF21 and sugar).

Note: If you are Obese you should eat in a calorie deficit so the copious amounts of sugar you are eating don't negatively impact your Insulin sensitivity. I doubt you can eat more than 2000 calories of fruit juices and candy anyways. If you do this you can expect to lose at least 5 pounds a week.

And don't stress.
tldr: no protein, no fat, eat as much soda and candy as u like, don't stress.

 

[divinesub5]

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[jake_okok]

Based im acc doing a sugar fast rn

 

[divinesub5]

Based im acc doing a sugar fast rn

same
im on my 5th coke

 

[divinesub5]

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[divinesub5]

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[a1ex.kel]

If you are obese chances are you were on multiple weight loss regiments at some points in your life. You may have tried keto, low fat, going vegan, prolonged fasting, intermittent fasting, alternate-day-fasting but nothing seems to work or any success you've had was very short lived.
(You might also be a metabolically healthy individual who's looking to shed a few pounds. This will also work just as well as it would if you were obese.)

If this is the case then the answer might be extreme protein restriction.

Fitfags tell you to eat all the protein and cut out the carbs, or watch your calories but eat a lot of protein. But what you really should be doing is cutting out ALL the protein (<1%) and eating all the carbs.
Why? First of all, protein is literally making you fatter, especially if you are a metabolically impaired individual (obese), consuming BCAAs in excess just makes you put on more and more blubber. (If you were lean you'd put on muscle if you consumed BCAAs in excess but you aren't.) Second of all cutting out protein means you cut out essential amino acids, like cysteine, methionine etc, this causes the body to activate the production of FGF21 hormone which kicks your metabolism into another gear (more calories out), It also increases the production of GDF15 which has similar effects to GLP1 (appetite suppression) making you eat less. Restricting protein was also shown to tank your insulin, improving your insulin sensitivity and improving your reception of FGF21 and GDF15 making them more effective. (Insulin resistance blunts the effects of both hormones.)

A study in rats showed that cysteine deficiency (from extreme protein restriction) caused a 20% reduction in body weight in 2 days and a 30% reduction in a week.
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2024.07.30.605703v1 (study funded by the chan zuckerberg initiative)
>"In summary, our investigation highlights that cysteine restriction, by depleting GSH and CoA, exerts a maximal impact on weight loss, metabolism, and stress signaling compared to other amino acid restrictions. These findings may pave the way for innovative strategies for addressing a range of metabolic diseases and the growing obesity crisis."

So what should you eat?

-Nothing but simple carbs all day, fructose, sucrose, glucose.
This means you can eat as much as you want of:
-Fruits (non-startchy)
-Sodas and Fruit juices.
-Candies as long as they don't contain fats and proteins
- e.g Nerds, mike and ikes, gummy bears, sour gummy bears, jolly ranchers, Hershey's chocolate syrup, skittles, etc etc
-No fats because fat and carbs are obesogenic (randle cycle). You CAN eat Fat and Carbs together if you are eating in an overall caloric deficit. Otherwise just carbs.
-No startch at all.
-You CAN eat and you should eat Gelatin (which is a protein). Gelatin doesn't contain Cysteine or any of the other amino acids so has no effect on ---FGF21. Gelatin contains Glycine which is pro-metabollic (boosts thyroid). So gummybearmaxx.
-LOTS AND LOTS OF CAFFEINE. (Caffeine will boost your metabolism even beyond FGF21 and sugar).

Note: If you are Obese you should eat in a calorie deficit so the copious amounts of sugar you are eating don't negatively impact your Insulin sensitivity. I doubt you can eat more than 2000 calories of fruit juices and candy anyways. If you do this you can expect to lose at least 5 pounds a week.

And don't stress.
tldr: no protein, no fat, eat as much soda and candy as u like, don't stress.

propoganda to create skinny fat twinks

 

[divinesub5]

propoganda to create skinny fat twinks

skinny fat twinks with chad faces
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33118381/
refined carbs make you pretty.

 

[a1ex.kel]

skinny fat twinks with chad faces
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33118381/
refined carbs make you pretty.
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i dont get why u wldnt lose weight normaly and not lose all muscle mass, cals in cals out

 

[divinesub5]

i dont get why u wldnt lose weight normaly and not lose all muscle mass, cals in cals out

cals in cals out has low success rates cause obese people always feel like they r starving

 

[divinesub5]

i dont get why u wldnt lose weight normaly and not lose all muscle mass, cals in cals out

also this is fast weight loss
no one wants to lose 2 pounds a month
especially if u have over 30 to lose

 

[cashcow]

cals in cals out has low success rates cause obese people always feel like they r starving

if you cant control what you eat because you ”feel” like youre starving you dont deserve to lose weight. everyone feels like starving, youre not special, youre just weak.

these bitch methods might work for losing weight in the short term sure, but youre still gonna gain it back because you dont like the feeling of an empty stomach.

when you go back to eating like normal youre gonna go back to being a fat loser who cant keep your mouth closed when you see food.

take some responsibility and learn to control what you eat and youre never gonna have to do some bullshit ”protein restriction”. its not rocket science.

 

[divinesub5]

if you cant control what you eat because you ”feel” like youre starving you dont deserve to lose weight. everyone feels like starving, youre not special, youre just weak.

these bitch methods might work for losing weight in the short term sure, but youre still gonna gain it back because you dont like the feeling of an empty stomach.

when you go back to eating like normal youre gonna go back to being a fat loser who cant keep your mouth closed when you see food.

take some responsibility and learn to control what you eat and youre never gonna have to do some bullshit ”protein restriction”. its not rocket science.

>if you cant control what you eat because you ”feel” like youre starving you dont deserve to lose weight. everyone feels like starving, youre not special, youre just weak.
they literally ARE in a starved state, their bodies think they are starving. It's not a psychological thing there have been countless studies about this. read about leptin resistance.
This is also why Obese, metabolically impaired people aren't hungry when they are fasting whereas metabolically healthy people are and why Obese people don't wake up hungry whereas normal healthy people do.
>when you go back to eating like normal youre gonna go back to being a fat loser who cant keep your mouth closed when you see food.
You'd pretty much be insulin sensitive again in maximum 8 weeks on 0 protein, after that you need a recovery plan, to get back the lost muscle, and to maintain weight loss cause when you get back on protein your appetite will surge. After that you should be fine. Again, it's never psychological, if it were CICO would have much higher success rates.

 

[divinesub5]

bumpp

 

[divinesub5]

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[looks>books]

So

If you are obese chances are you were on multiple weight loss regiments at some points in your life. You may have tried keto, low fat, going vegan, prolonged fasting, intermittent fasting, alternate-day-fasting but nothing seems to work or any success you've had was very short lived.
(You might also be a metabolically healthy individual who's looking to shed a few pounds. This will also work just as well as it would if you were obese.)

If this is the case then the answer might be extreme protein restriction.

Fitfags tell you to eat all the protein and cut out the carbs, or watch your calories but eat a lot of protein. But what you really should be doing is cutting out ALL the protein (<1%) and eating all the carbs.
Why? First of all, protein is literally making you fatter, especially if you are a metabolically impaired individual (obese), consuming BCAAs in excess just makes you put on more and more blubber. (If you were lean you'd put on muscle if you consumed BCAAs in excess but you aren't.) Second of all cutting out protein means you cut out essential amino acids, like cysteine, methionine etc, this causes the body to activate the production of FGF21 hormone which kicks your metabolism into another gear (more calories out), It also increases the production of GDF15 which has similar effects to GLP1 (appetite suppression) making you eat less. Restricting protein was also shown to tank your insulin, improving your insulin sensitivity and improving your reception of FGF21 and GDF15 making them more effective. (Insulin resistance blunts the effects of both hormones.)

A study in rats showed that cysteine deficiency (from extreme protein restriction) caused a 20% reduction in body weight in 2 days and a 30% reduction in a week.
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2024.07.30.605703v1 (study funded by the chan zuckerberg initiative)
>"In summary, our investigation highlights that cysteine restriction, by depleting GSH and CoA, exerts a maximal impact on weight loss, metabolism, and stress signaling compared to other amino acid restrictions. These findings may pave the way for innovative strategies for addressing a range of metabolic diseases and the growing obesity crisis."

So what should you eat?

-Nothing but simple carbs all day, fructose, sucrose, glucose.
This means you can eat as much as you want of:
-Fruits (non-startchy)
-Sodas and Fruit juices.
-Candies as long as they don't contain fats and proteins
- e.g Nerds, mike and ikes, gummy bears, sour gummy bears, jolly ranchers, Hershey's chocolate syrup, skittles, etc etc
-No fats because fat and carbs are obesogenic (randle cycle). You CAN eat Fat and Carbs together if you are eating in an overall caloric deficit. Otherwise just carbs.
-No startch at all.
-You CAN eat and you should eat Gelatin (which is a protein). Gelatin doesn't contain Cysteine or any of the other amino acids so has no effect on ---FGF21. Gelatin contains Glycine which is pro-metabollic (boosts thyroid). So gummybearmaxx.
-LOTS AND LOTS OF CAFFEINE. (Caffeine will boost your metabolism even beyond FGF21 and sugar).

Note: If you are Obese you should eat in a calorie deficit so the copious amounts of sugar you are eating don't negatively impact your Insulin sensitivity. I doubt you can eat more than 2000 calories of fruit juices and candy anyways. If you do this you can expect to lose at least 5 pounds a week.

And don't stress.
tldr: no protein, no fat, eat as much soda and candy as u like, don't stress.

So no meat???

 

[divinesub5]

So

So no meat???

u can eat meat if it has 0 protein

 

[divinesub5]

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[Cointoss/Chad/Incel]

maybe i'll try this; i make good gym progress even when i'm chronically undereating protein too...
saved for later purposes

 

[loLyric]

protein makes u less hungry u autist, try eating 10 eggs (700cal) vs 700cal of any candy and see which makes u more full

 

[mandiblade]

skinny fat twinks with chad faces
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33118381/
refined carbs make you pretty.
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Trash study. You need a mechanism for action explaining how this occurs. By what mechanism can eating refined carbs increase your attractiveness for 5 hours?


Another trash study "suggesting" the opposite btw:

Chronic and immediate refined carbohydrate consumption and facial attractiveness - PubMed

The Western diet has undergone a massive switch since the second half of the 20th century, with the massive increase of the consumption of refined carbohydrate associated with many adverse health effects. The physiological mechanisms linked to this consumption, such as hyperglycaemia and...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

@Never Get Up @thereallegend @veggiedietcell are you seeing this rubbish

 

[Never Get Up]

 

[mandiblade]

Time for an absolute evisceration
Someone tag some more carnies
Anyhow...

If you are obese chances are you were on multiple weight loss regiments at some points in your life. You may have tried keto, low fat, going vegan, prolonged fasting, intermittent fasting, alternate-day-fasting but nothing seems to work or any success you've had was very short lived.

If one quits a diet, you would obviously gain the weight back if you go back to your old habits. Who on the planet denied this? Absolute water. Also, if you go back to your mcdonalds goyslop diet after following whatever "advice" you found in this thread, you will gain this weight back. Whatever you are proposing is no different.
What I advise? Watch Bart Kay and Edward Goeke and read Ed's book here(IDK if this is v1 or v2 btw):

[PDF] Contraindicated: A Closer Look and Revision of Mainstream Health Axioms That Have Perpetuated Illness, Disorder, and Disease For Over a Century Download

Download Book "Contraindicated: A Closer Look and Revision of Mainstream Health Axioms That Have Perpetuated Illness, Disorder, and Disease For Over a Century" by Author "Edward Goeke" in [PDF] [EPUB]. Original Title ISBN # "" and ASIN # "B0CYB6PMHG" published on "April 1, 2024" in Edition...

oceanofpdf.com

Anyhow...

If this is the case then the answer might be extreme protein restriction.

No. The only amino acids linked to the potential slowing of metabolism are BCAAs. Actually, isoleucine restriction suffices in this regard.

Fitfags tell you to eat all the protein and cut out the carbs, or watch your calories but eat a lot of protein. But what you really should be doing is cutting out ALL the protein (<1%) and eating all the carbs.

No. So much to unpack here. Starting from the, well, start
1. Usually, people who tell you to cut out carbs will tell you to replace them with fat, not protein. No more than 35% of your "caloric intake" should be from protein.
2. Since the requirement for carbohydrates in the human diet is zero, the other 65%+ of your "caloric intake" should be from fat. You should experiment and see what fatrotein ratio suits you. 99.9999% of the population will not need to consume any carbs whatsoever.
3. You cannot consume a calorie per the definition provided(this does not mean that people who calorically restrict will not lose weight).
4. On what basis do you conclude that cutting out protein and eating a 98%+ carb diet is healthy?

First of all, protein is literally making you fatter

Source? Please link a study that proves causality and provides a proposed mechanism of action.

especially if you are a metabolically impaired individual (obese),

Source?

consuming BCAAs in excess just makes you put on more and more blubber

Source? Excess BCAA consumption will in itself contribute to adipogenesis?

(If you were lean you'd put on muscle if you consumed BCAAs in excess but you aren't.)

Source? By what mechanism could the effects of amino acids differ so drastically based on one's level of adiposity?

Second of all cutting out protein means you cut out essential amino acids

Do you understand how stupid this is? You have instructed people to cut out something that is essential to the body and must be administered endogenously through diet.

this causes the body to activate the production of FGF21 hormone which kicks your metabolism into another gear (more calories out)

Is this the only thing that happens? In the grand scheme of things, is this healthy? Just because you are losing weight doesn't mean you are healthy. E.g. starvation and anorexia

It also increases the production of GDF15 which has similar effects to GLP1 (appetite suppression) making you eat less

Why must you suppress your hunger in addition to depriving yourself of essential amino acids? Also, protein consumption signals satiety, so this will not do you any good. In fact, the levels of satiety you will get from completely protein deprivation pale in comparison to the satiety you get from consuming protein.

Restricting protein was also shown to tank your insulin, improving your insulin sensitivity and improving your reception of FGF21 and GDF15 making them more effective. (Insulin resistance blunts the effects of both hormones.)

Guess what increases your insulin? Oh yeah! That blood sugar spike you get when you eat carbs! Are you really promising the idea that the reason people remain obese is because of their protein consumption and not their carbohydrate consumption?

A study in rats showed that cysteine deficiency (from extreme protein restriction) caused a 20% reduction in body weight in 2 days and a 30% reduction in a week.
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2024.07.30.605703v1 (study funded by the chan zuckerberg initiative)

If the study is about a true biological deficiency, it is stupid. The fact that you are losing weight does not necessitate that you are healthy.

>"In summary, our investigation highlights that cysteine restriction, by depleting GSH and CoA, exerts a maximal impact on weight loss, metabolism, and stress signaling compared to other amino acid restrictions. These findings may pave the way for innovative strategies for addressing a range of metabolic diseases and the growing obesity crisis."

Oh yes goy. Cause a biological deficiency in yourself because you are too weak to say no to McDonalds.

-Nothing but simple carbs all day, fructose, sucrose, glucose.

This is disgusting.
1. Fructose is directly metabolized by the liver, and the only reason why alcoholics get fatty liver is because alchohol is metabolized by the liver the same why fructose is. If you are not getting your fructose from fruits(which you have no reason to be eating), this is even worse. Fructose consumption causes hepatic insulin resistance, de novo lipogenesis, and makes you want to eat more food. This is stupid. Fructose should never touch your hands ever. Also, fructose glycates 7-10x as much as glucose. Source: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3649103/
2. Glucose causes insulin spikes, blood sugar spikes, and blood sugar crashes. The last one will make you hungry, completely making the "muh less protein will make you fuller actually" absolutely useless, even if it was true(which it isn't).
3. Yes, goy. Combine two pieces of junk for even more junk(sucrose is fructose + glucose)!!!

In addition, carbohydrate consumption drastically increases your biological needs for nearly all nutrients and vitamins(e.g. thiamine, vitamin c). How many pills are you going to pop per day you buffoon?!

-Fruits (non-startchy)

Do you still think this is a good idea?

-Fruits (non-startchy)
-Sodas and Fruit juices.
-Candies as long as they don't contain fats and proteins
- e.g Nerds, mike and ikes, gummy bears, sour gummy bears, jolly ranchers, Hershey's chocolate syrup, skittles, etc etc

Literally kill yourself if you think this is good(well maybe not - just go carnivore)

-No fats because fat and carbs are obesogenic (randle cycle). You CAN eat Fat and Carbs together if you are eating in an overall caloric deficit. Otherwise just carbs.

Fats and carbs combined are obesogenic, yes. However, do you truly believe that, just because you will lose weight by starving yourself(so-called, "caloric deficit"), you can do anything you want and you will still be healthy? Garbage ideology

-No startch at all.

Why not?

-You CAN eat and you should eat Gelatin (which is a protein). Gelatin doesn't contain Cysteine or any of the other amino acids so has no effect on ---FGF21. Gelatin contains Glycine which is pro-metabollic (boosts thyroid). So gummybearmaxx.

Yes goy! Consume sources of protein that do not contain essential amino acids! If you truly believe that gummy bears contain any meaningful level of protein so that your thyroid function would increase to any practical degree, you are more stupid than I thought. Also, BCAA levels and glycene levels are inversely correlated, so limiting your BCAAs will automatically increase your glycene if that study I skimmed over proves causality(probably doesn't but eh).

-LOTS AND LOTS OF CAFFEINE. (Caffeine will boost your metabolism even beyond FGF21 and sugar).

This will prompt 95%+ of people to drink coffee, which contains oxalic acid, which promotes inflamation(gout) and calcium-oxalate kidney stone formation. Also, it's a diuretic. This is insane beyond belief

Note: If you are Obese you should eat in a calorie deficit so the copious amounts of sugar you are eating don't negatively impact your Insulin sensitivity. I doubt you can eat more than 2000 calories of fruit juices and candy anyways. If you do this you can expect to lose at least 5 pounds a week.

You said all that just for "muh caloric deficit." Do you actually believe that starving yourself will, in itself, improve insulin sensitivity if you are spiking your insulin to supraphysiological levels every hour? Are you insane?
Also, do you actually think that stuffing own 2K "calories" of candy and fruit juice is impossible for the average fat person? And 5 lbs A WEEK? WHAT?! That's how much you lose every 2 days when starvemaxxing(which will give you nutrient deficiencies after 1 week).

And don't stress.
tldr: no protein, no fat, eat as much soda and candy as u like, don't stress.

You couldn't even be bothered to mention vitamin and mineral supplements? Mods, someone, anyone ban this kid @divinesub5

 

[mandiblade]

This entire attention-span deficient forum even:

 

[veggiedietcell]

Trash study. You need a mechanism for action explaining how this occurs. By what mechanism can eating refined carbs increase your attractiveness for 5 hours?


Another trash study "suggesting" the opposite btw:

Chronic and immediate refined carbohydrate consumption and facial attractiveness - PubMed

The Western diet has undergone a massive switch since the second half of the 20th century, with the massive increase of the consumption of refined carbohydrate associated with many adverse health effects. The physiological mechanisms linked to this consumption, such as hyperglycaemia and...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

@Never Get Up @thereallegend @veggiedietcell are you seeing this rubbish

How can someone say refined carbs make u attractive, jfl

 

[divinesub5]

Time for an absolute evisceration
Someone tag some more carnies
Anyhow...

If one quits a diet, you would obviously gain the weight back if you go back to your old habits. Who on the planet denied this? Absolute water. Also, if you go back to your mcdonalds goyslop diet after following whatever "advice" you found in this thread, you will gain this weight back. Whatever you are proposing is no different.
What I advise? Watch Bart Kay and Edward Goeke and read Ed's book here(IDK if this is v1 or v2 btw):

[PDF] Contraindicated: A Closer Look and Revision of Mainstream Health Axioms That Have Perpetuated Illness, Disorder, and Disease For Over a Century Download

Download Book "Contraindicated: A Closer Look and Revision of Mainstream Health Axioms That Have Perpetuated Illness, Disorder, and Disease For Over a Century" by Author "Edward Goeke" in [PDF] [EPUB]. Original Title ISBN # "" and ASIN # "B0CYB6PMHG" published on "April 1, 2024" in Edition...

oceanofpdf.com

Anyhow...

No. The only amino acids linked to the potential slowing of metabolism are BCAAs. Actually, isoleucine restriction suffices in this regard.

No. So much to unpack here. Starting from the, well, start
1. Usually, people who tell you to cut out carbs will tell you to replace them with fat, not protein. No more than 35% of your "caloric intake" should be from protein.
2. Since the requirement for carbohydrates in the human diet is zero, the other 65%+ of your "caloric intake" should be from fat. You should experiment and see what fatrotein ratio suits you. 99.9999% of the population will not need to consume any carbs whatsoever.
3. You cannot consume a calorie per the definition provided(this does not mean that people who calorically restrict will not lose weight).
4. On what basis do you conclude that cutting out protein and eating a 98%+ carb diet is healthy?


Source? Please link a study that proves causality and provides a proposed mechanism of action.

Source?

Source? Excess BCAA consumption will in itself contribute to adipogenesis?

Source? By what mechanism could the effects of amino acids differ so drastically based on one's level of adiposity?

Do you understand how stupid this is? You have instructed people to cut out something that is essential to the body and must be administered endogenously through diet.

Is this the only thing that happens? In the grand scheme of things, is this healthy? Just because you are losing weight doesn't mean you are healthy. E.g. starvation and anorexia

Why must you suppress your hunger in addition to depriving yourself of essential amino acids? Also, protein consumption signals satiety, so this will not do you any good. In fact, the levels of satiety you will get from completely protein deprivation pale in comparison to the satiety you get from consuming protein.

Guess what increases your insulin? Oh yeah! That blood sugar spike you get when you eat carbs! Are you really promising the idea that the reason people remain obese is because of their protein consumption and not their carbohydrate consumption?

If the study is about a true biological deficiency, it is stupid. The fact that you are losing weight does not necessitate that you are healthy.

Oh yes goy. Cause a biological deficiency in yourself because you are too weak to say no to McDonalds.

This is disgusting.
1. Fructose is directly metabolized by the liver, and the only reason why alcoholics get fatty liver is because alchohol is metabolized by the liver the same why fructose is. If you are not getting your fructose from fruits(which you have no reason to be eating), this is even worse. Fructose consumption causes hepatic insulin resistance, de novo lipogenesis, and makes you want to eat more food. This is stupid. Fructose should never touch your hands ever. Also, fructose glycates 7-10x as much as glucose. Source: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3649103/
2. Glucose causes insulin spikes, blood sugar spikes, and blood sugar crashes. The last one will make you hungry, completely making the "muh less protein will make you fuller actually" absolutely useless, even if it was true(which it isn't).
3. Yes, goy. Combine two pieces of junk for even more junk(sucrose is fructose + glucose)!!!

In addition, carbohydrate consumption drastically increases your biological needs for nearly all nutrients and vitamins(e.g. thiamine, vitamin c). How many pills are you going to pop per day you buffoon?!

Do you still think this is a good idea?

Literally kill yourself if you think this is good(well maybe not - just go carnivore)

Fats and carbs combined are obesogenic, yes. However, do you truly believe that, just because you will lose weight by starving yourself(so-called, "caloric deficit"), you can do anything you want and you will still be healthy? Garbage ideology

Why not?

Yes goy! Consume sources of protein that do not contain essential amino acids! If you truly believe that gummy bears contain any meaningful level of protein so that your thyroid function would increase to any practical degree, you are more stupid than I thought. Also, BCAA levels and glycene levels are inversely correlated, so limiting your BCAAs will automatically increase your glycene if that study I skimmed over proves causality(probably doesn't but eh).

This will prompt 95%+ of people to drink coffee, which contains oxalic acid, which promotes inflamation(gout) and calcium-oxalate kidney stone formation. Also, it's a diuretic. This is insane beyond belief

You said all that just for "muh caloric deficit." Do you actually believe that starving yourself will, in itself, improve insulin sensitivity if you are spiking your insulin to supraphysiological levels every hour? Are you insane?
Also, do you actually think that stuffing own 2K "calories" of candy and fruit juice is impossible for the average fat person? And 5 lbs A WEEK? WHAT?! That's how much you lose every 2 days when starvemaxxing(which will give you nutrient deficiencies after 1 week).

You couldn't even be bothered to mention vitamin and mineral supplements? Mods, someone, anyone ban this kid @divinesub5

Actually miring how you didn't make a single good point in a 6 million word rage essay. Nothing of the copious amounts of shit you flung actually stuck.
>Guess what increases your insulin? Oh yeah! That blood sugar spike you get when you eat carbs! Are you really promising the idea that the reason people remain obese is because of their protein consumption and not their carbohydrate consumption?
Won't matter if you are eating in a caloric deficit which is what I suggested you should do if you are metabolically impaired/obese.
>Source? Excess BCAA consumption will in itself contribute to adipogenesis?
Yes, eating BCAAs in excess or supplementing BCAAs through protein powder or otherwise will make you obesER. It also makes diabetes worse.
https://www.mdpi.com/2072-6643/15/1/68

 

[divinesub5]

Time for an absolute evisceration
Someone tag some more carnies
Anyhow...

If one quits a diet, you would obviously gain the weight back if you go back to your old habits. Who on the planet denied this? Absolute water. Also, if you go back to your mcdonalds goyslop diet after following whatever "advice" you found in this thread, you will gain this weight back. Whatever you are proposing is no different.
What I advise? Watch Bart Kay and Edward Goeke and read Ed's book here(IDK if this is v1 or v2 btw):

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Anyhow...

No. The only amino acids linked to the potential slowing of metabolism are BCAAs. Actually, isoleucine restriction suffices in this regard.

No. So much to unpack here. Starting from the, well, start
1. Usually, people who tell you to cut out carbs will tell you to replace them with fat, not protein. No more than 35% of your "caloric intake" should be from protein.
2. Since the requirement for carbohydrates in the human diet is zero, the other 65%+ of your "caloric intake" should be from fat. You should experiment and see what fatrotein ratio suits you. 99.9999% of the population will not need to consume any carbs whatsoever.
3. You cannot consume a calorie per the definition provided(this does not mean that people who calorically restrict will not lose weight).
4. On what basis do you conclude that cutting out protein and eating a 98%+ carb diet is healthy?


Source? Please link a study that proves causality and provides a proposed mechanism of action.

Source?

Source? Excess BCAA consumption will in itself contribute to adipogenesis?

Source? By what mechanism could the effects of amino acids differ so drastically based on one's level of adiposity?

Do you understand how stupid this is? You have instructed people to cut out something that is essential to the body and must be administered endogenously through diet.

Is this the only thing that happens? In the grand scheme of things, is this healthy? Just because you are losing weight doesn't mean you are healthy. E.g. starvation and anorexia

Why must you suppress your hunger in addition to depriving yourself of essential amino acids? Also, protein consumption signals satiety, so this will not do you any good. In fact, the levels of satiety you will get from completely protein deprivation pale in comparison to the satiety you get from consuming protein.

Guess what increases your insulin? Oh yeah! That blood sugar spike you get when you eat carbs! Are you really promising the idea that the reason people remain obese is because of their protein consumption and not their carbohydrate consumption?

If the study is about a true biological deficiency, it is stupid. The fact that you are losing weight does not necessitate that you are healthy.

Oh yes goy. Cause a biological deficiency in yourself because you are too weak to say no to McDonalds.

This is disgusting.
1. Fructose is directly metabolized by the liver, and the only reason why alcoholics get fatty liver is because alchohol is metabolized by the liver the same why fructose is. If you are not getting your fructose from fruits(which you have no reason to be eating), this is even worse. Fructose consumption causes hepatic insulin resistance, de novo lipogenesis, and makes you want to eat more food. This is stupid. Fructose should never touch your hands ever. Also, fructose glycates 7-10x as much as glucose. Source: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3649103/
2. Glucose causes insulin spikes, blood sugar spikes, and blood sugar crashes. The last one will make you hungry, completely making the "muh less protein will make you fuller actually" absolutely useless, even if it was true(which it isn't).
3. Yes, goy. Combine two pieces of junk for even more junk(sucrose is fructose + glucose)!!!

In addition, carbohydrate consumption drastically increases your biological needs for nearly all nutrients and vitamins(e.g. thiamine, vitamin c). How many pills are you going to pop per day you buffoon?!

Do you still think this is a good idea?

Literally kill yourself if you think this is good(well maybe not - just go carnivore)

Fats and carbs combined are obesogenic, yes. However, do you truly believe that, just because you will lose weight by starving yourself(so-called, "caloric deficit"), you can do anything you want and you will still be healthy? Garbage ideology

Why not?

Yes goy! Consume sources of protein that do not contain essential amino acids! If you truly believe that gummy bears contain any meaningful level of protein so that your thyroid function would increase to any practical degree, you are more stupid than I thought. Also, BCAA levels and glycene levels are inversely correlated, so limiting your BCAAs will automatically increase your glycene if that study I skimmed over proves causality(probably doesn't but eh).

This will prompt 95%+ of people to drink coffee, which contains oxalic acid, which promotes inflamation(gout) and calcium-oxalate kidney stone formation. Also, it's a diuretic. This is insane beyond belief

You said all that just for "muh caloric deficit." Do you actually believe that starving yourself will, in itself, improve insulin sensitivity if you are spiking your insulin to supraphysiological levels every hour? Are you insane?
Also, do you actually think that stuffing own 2K "calories" of candy and fruit juice is impossible for the average fat person? And 5 lbs A WEEK? WHAT?! That's how much you lose every 2 days when starvemaxxing(which will give you nutrient deficiencies after 1 week).

You couldn't even be bothered to mention vitamin and mineral supplements? Mods, someone, anyone ban this kid @divinesub5

>" Do you actually believe that starving yourself will, in itself, improve insulin sensitivity if you are spiking your insulin to supraphysiological levels every hour? Are you insane?
70% of your post was just repeating this question. The best and only way to improve Insulin sensitivity is through losing body fat fucking retard, not by fasting, or going keto. (Both of which make you insulin resistant btw lol). And, yes I do believe it's healthy because you'll stop being insanely metabolically impaired.
>gummy bears/gelatin instead of protein
didnt say that retard. I just said u should be consuming lots of gelatin cause it's pro thyroid because it contains glycine.. not because it's protein you dumb nigger.
>people remain obese is because of their protein consumption and not their carbohydrate consumption?
people are obese/diabetic thanks to fats, not sugar, also combining the macros is literally killing you

This is a way around starvemaxxing and should be a last resort if you are a tough nut when it comes to weight loss. Or if you want to shed lots of weight very quickly.
Your cortisol levels are through the roof, ketard. Why don't you have a soda?

 

[divinesub5]

protein makes u less hungry u autist, try eating 10 eggs (700cal) vs 700cal of any candy and see which makes u more full

eat 10 eggs to get fat.

 

[divinesub5]

also tried eating over 2000 calories of pure sugar, could barely do it + threw up everything

 

[divinesub5]

bumpp

 

[mandiblade]

I apologize for the insults. I wrote my post when I was already very worked up.

 

[divinesub5]

I apologize for the insults. I wrote my post when I was already very worked up.

it's okay
i also apologize for calling u a nigger
just open ur mind ketocel

 

[mandiblade]

Won't matter if you are eating in a caloric deficit which is what I suggested you should do if you are metabolically impaired/obese.

You claimed that the lack of insulin spikes from not eating BCAAs would help your insulin sensitivity. I guess that won't matter as well? Anyhow, it will matter because spiking your insulin to the roof every few hours is manually giving yourself chronically elevated insulin. This will negate the benefits of losing weight on insulin sensitivity.

Yes, eating BCAAs in excess or supplementing BCAAs through protein powder or otherwise will make you obesER. It also makes diabetes worse.

BCAAs elicit an insulin response. I have not read the paper as of yet, but if that is the reason, carb consumption isn't doing you any better either.

70% of your post was just repeating this question. The best and only way to improve Insulin sensitivity is through losing body fat _ing retard, not by fasting, or going keto. (Both of which make you insulin resistant btw lol). And, yes I do believe it's healthy because you'll stop being insanely metabolically impaired.

1. Losing weight is not the only way
2. Losing weight is not some miracle. If your insulin is chronically elevated, the insulin sensitivity benefits of losing weight will be negated
3. Ketogenic diets/habits do in fact cause "insulin resistance" while you are performing them. Anyone who tells you otherwise is not knowledgable(I am not). However, within like 3 days of eating carbs you will be reset because you are not pathologically insulin resistant. You are aware of the randle cycle. When fat is being utilized as fuel and it fills up the cells, sugar will not be able to be used. That is the "insulin resistance" you get on keto. It is not like T2 diabetes.
4. I was highlighting the fact that fixing T2D is not the only marker of health. If you become nutrient and vitamin deficient and frail(lack of test), you will arguably be worse.

didnt say that retard. I just said u should be consuming lots of gelatin cause it's pro thyroid because it contains glycine.. not because it's protein you dumb _.

Nutritionix

www.nutritionix.com

They rounded down the protein to 0 because it was less than 1 gram per packet. Also, you are eating 1:1 mass:sugar ratio, which means that gummy bears have next to no water content. You are eating pure sugar. In fact, some brands of table sugar might be better for you because they have a lower glycemic index(65) than white bread(100).

people are obese/diabetic thanks to fats, not sugar, also combining the macros is literally killing you

Think about this logically. When fats and sugar are present together, we have issues(randle cycle). When proteins and sugar are present together, we have issues(glycation). When fats and proteins are present together, there are no issues from that. Is sugar not the problem here? But yes combining carbs with other macros is unhealthy.

This is a way around starvemaxxing and should be a last resort if you are a tough nut when it comes to weight loss. Or if you want to shed lots of weight very quickly.

I was saying that weight loss does not automatically mean health. I wasn't encouraging it in my post

Your cortisol levels are through the roof, ketard. Why don't you have a soda?

1. Yes, cortisol is raised during the adaptation phase. Do you have any studies showing elevated cortisol in people on ketogenic diets that is cured by eating carbs?
2. I do not have sodas because they are nutritionally void, have no benefit, and have pure unadulterated carbohydrates.

eat 10 eggs to get fat.

There is no way you truly believe this dude

also tried eating over 2000 calories of pure sugar, could barely do it + threw up everything

This is not very typical. I maintain at like 1300 calories but could eat 2500 calories of pure sugar no problem. People who stuff down 2500 calories of mcdonalds and chips will be able to eat 3K calories of pure sugar without any effort

 

[mandiblade]

In addition, BCAA are essential amino acids.
Read these

Physiological insulin resistance: Clarification of FBG

This is a cheat "copy-paste" entry trying to clarify the difference between a fasting blood glucose of 5.5mmol/l in an insulin resistant SAD...

high-fat-nutrition.blogspot.com

If ex150 means epilepsy-level keto, I would disagree. 90% fat is not for the average person. Do 65-75% fat instead
And about switching to high-carb, do not do that.

 

[divinesub5]

You claimed that the lack of insulin spikes from not eating BCAAs would help your insulin sensitivity. I guess that won't matter as well? Anyhow, it will matter because spiking your insulin to the roof every few hours is manually giving yourself chronically elevated insulin. This will negate the benefits of losing weight on insulin sensitivity.

BCAAs elicit an insulin response. I have not read the paper as of yet, but if that is the reason, carb consumption isn't doing you any better either.

1. Losing weight is not the only way
2. Losing weight is not some miracle. If your insulin is chronically elevated, the insulin sensitivity benefits of losing weight will be negated
3. Ketogenic diets/habits do in fact cause "insulin resistance" while you are performing them. Anyone who tells you otherwise is not knowledgable(I am not). However, within like 3 days of eating carbs you will be reset because you are not pathologically insulin resistant. You are aware of the randle cycle. When fat is being utilized as fuel and it fills up the cells, sugar will not be able to be used. That is the "insulin resistance" you get on keto. It is not like T2 diabetes.
4. I was highlighting the fact that fixing T2D is not the only marker of health. If you become nutrient and vitamin deficient and frail(lack of test), you will arguably be worse.

Nutritionix

www.nutritionix.com

They rounded down the protein to 0 because it was less than 1 gram per packet. Also, you are eating 1:1 mass:sugar ratio, which means that gummy bears have next to no water content. You are eating pure sugar. In fact, some brands of table sugar might be better for you because they have a lower glycemic index(65) than white bread(100).

Think about this logically. When fats and sugar are present together, we have issues(randle cycle). When proteins and sugar are present together, we have issues(glycation). When fats and proteins are present together, there are no issues from that. Is sugar not the problem here? But yes combining carbs with other macros is unhealthy.

I was saying that weight loss does not automatically mean health. I wasn't encouraging it in my post

1. Yes, cortisol is raised during the adaptation phase. Do you have any studies showing elevated cortisol in people on ketogenic diets that is cured by eating carbs?
2. I do not have sodas because they are nutritionally void, have no benefit, and have pure unadulterated carbohydrates.

There is no way you truly believe this dude

This is not very typical. I maintain at like 1300 calories but could eat 2500 calories of pure sugar no problem. People who stuff down 2500 calories of mcdonalds and chips will be able to eat 3K calories of pure sugar without any effort

This is a weight loss guide, I am providing you with a tool (Sugar fasting). I can't provide any Information on what you should supplement from Vitamins or Minerals as I don't know. Haven't done any research, and I doubt anybody cares.
>You claimed that the lack of insulin spikes from not eating BCAAs would help your insulin sensitivity. I guess that won't matter as well? Anyhow, it will matter because spiking your insulin to the roof every few hours is manually giving yourself chronically elevated insulin. This will negate the benefits of losing weight on insulin sensitivity. Also why Ketards (Who get insulin spikes from constantly eating protein) don't become Insulin resistant or fat (they aren't combining macros.)
I did not say that anywhere. The chronically elevated insulin won't matter if you are restricting calories. Which you should do if you are obese. If you weren't Obese you can eat as much sugar as you want and also you have better reception to FGF21 so you'll literally become a human blast furnace. (really fast metabolism) basically you turn yourself into a person who's naturally lean.
>maintenance at 1300 calories
my autism cant tell if ur joking or not

 

[mandiblade]

This is a weight loss guide, I am providing you with a tool (Sugar fasting). I can't provide any Information on what you should supplement from Vitamins or Minerals as I don't know. Haven't done any research, and I doubt anybody cares.

I mean you could have just hinted at it

I did not say that anywhere

WDYM you didn't say that anywhere? I quoted you each time

The chronically elevated insulin won't matter if you are restricting calories.

For the purpose of weight loss, it won't matter. For health in general, yes, spiking your insulin constantly can negate the benefits of weight loss on insulin sensitivity.

If you weren't Obese you can eat as much sugar as you want and also you have better reception to FGF21 so you'll literally become a human blast furnace. (really fast metabolism) basically you turn yourself into a person who's naturally lean.

Given your overall attitude, I guess I interpreted this wrong. If this is a "lose as much fat as fast as possible no matter what" guide, it would work. I am saying that it is not healthy and you can lose weight relatively in the same time while being healthy if you go carnivore and eat adequately.

my autism cant tell if ur joking or not

Unfortunately, I am not

 

[divinesub5]

I mean you could have just hinted at it

WDYM you didn't say that anywhere? I quoted you each time

For the purpose of weight loss, it won't matter. For health in general, yes, spiking your insulin constantly can negate the benefits of weight loss on insulin sensitivity.

Given your overall attitude, I guess I interpreted this wrong. If this is a "lose as much fat as fast as possible no matter what" guide, it would work. I am saying that it is not healthy and you can lose weight relatively in the same time while being healthy if you go carnivore and eat adequately.

Unfortunately, I am not

>Unfortunately, I am not
u got hypothyroidism or something?

 

[mandiblade]

u got hypothyroidism or something?

I am cold all the time but my bloodwork came back "normal"(they didn't send the results, nearby clinic just said that).
It's not from carnivore btw

 

[CsCurry]

CICO is undefeated.

I’d still maintain 100g of protein on a cut just to keep muscle.

What you should be doing is maxing out your calories out through low intensity cardio like walking 15k steps a day rather than following the ray peat diet.

 

[divinesub5]

I am cold all the time but my bloodwork came back "normal"(they didn't send the results, nearby clinic just said that).
It's not from carnivore btw

Bro take body temperature measurements using a digital thermometer
Take oral or axillary (under armpit) temps but specify if u use either
I might be able to help

 

[divinesub5]

a

I am cold all the time but my bloodwork came back "normal"(they didn't send the results, nearby clinic just said that).
It's not from carnivore btw

also how did u know ur maintenance is 1300 lol

 

[divinesub5]

CICO is undefeated.

I’d still maintain 100g of protein on a cut just to keep muscle.

What you should be doing is maxing out your calories out through low intensity cardio like walking 15k steps a day rather than following the ray peat diet.

life improved so much on ray peat
just don't eat seed oils (PUFA/MUFA) nigga!

 

[mandiblade]

Bro take body temperature measurements using a digital thermometer
Take oral or axillary (under armpit) temps but specify if u use either
I might be able to help

My parents hate "self-medication" so lol no chance

also how did u know ur maintenance is 1300 lol

Idk I just skip breakfast and lunch but don't lose weight. I would get to counting but yea parents will think I'm schizo

 

[divinesub5]

My parents hate "self-medication" so lol no chance

Idk I just skip breakfast and lunch but don't lose weight. I would get to counting but yea parents will think I'm schizo

so ur basically intermittent fasting
and u eat carnivore after?

 

[mandiblade]

so ur basically intermittent fasting
and u eat carnivore after?

I'm still not a carnivore because of my parents. I don't do intermittent fasting intentionally

 

[mandiblade]

Wanna rep all of eachothers' posts in this thread?

 

[divinesub5]

Wanna rep all of eachothers' posts in this thread?

yeah sure i have a shit post:rep ratio anyways

 

[loLyric]

eat 10 eggs to get fat.

shit ragebait

 

[divinesub5]

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