Existance of God/Creator

[Deleted member 15338]

According to big-bang theory there is literally nothing before it, no time no energy no atoms no existance at all. Start of the universe and everything is big-bang, also scientists recently find out universe will eventually come to an end and nothing will exist after it even the time wont exist. But real quoestion is how tf did big bang happen ?
Thoughts ? @n0rthface @TsarTsar444 @disillusioned

 

[Deleted member 15338]

0. I should have made a Chico thread

 

[thickdickdaddy27]

existence is eternal. big bangs are cyclical and happen constantly over eons

 

[hebbewem]

Nobody have the answer

 

[Deleted member 15338]

existence is eternal. big bangs are cyclical and happen constantly over eons

No existance being eternal is a meme it has a start and end

 

[Deleted member 756]

existence is eternal. big bangs are cyclical and happen constantly over eons

You’ve heard of ouborous?

 

[thickdickdaddy27]

No existance being eternal is a meme it has a start and end

i believe it is tbh. we're not the first intelligent beings and certainly not the last

 

[Deleted member 15338]

Nobody have the answer

Most rational answer would be a God but obviously not God of any religion

 

[thickdickdaddy27]

You’ve heard of ouborous?

just googled it, something about ancient symbolism

 

[TUSSELEIF]

Doesn’t make sense to me. How can time not exist? And how did the big bang happen without time existing. The fact that scientists say the big bang has a beginning and an end implies it needed time to form and that it will end implies there is something outside of the universe. There is also a theory that the universe has always existed and there is no beginning. This is unimaginable to humans for things to have no beginning, but in the universe anything is possible

 

[Deleted member 15338]

Doesn’t make sense to me. How can time not exist? And how did the big bang happen without time existing. The fact that scientists say the big bang has a beginning and an end implies it needed time to form and that it will end implies there is something outside of the universe. There is also a theory that the universe has always existed and there is no beginning. This is unimaginable to humans for things to have no beginning, but in the universe anything is possible

Materialist/Marxist theory of universe being eternal is objectively wrong also you cant talk about before big bang since there is no before it. There can be another universes tho.

 

[Deleted member 756]

just googled it, something about ancient symbolism

nietzsche argues that eternal return is all we have. Big Bang theory happens we live and die and universe ends and we return again. We live the same existence but we don’t know it. Ngl that sounds like hell. It’s like we have no free will and no reason to live but to live out the same actions for billions of times

 

[Deleted member 15338]

nietzsche argues that eternal return is all we have. Big Bang theory happens we live and die and universe ends and we return again. We live the same existence but we don’t know it. Ngl that sounds like hell. It’s like we have no free will and no reason to live but to live out the same actions for billions of times

Sounds stupid tbh Nietzsche was coping with nihilism

 

[Deleted member 15338]

i believe it is tbh. we're not the first intelligent beings and certainly not the last

Yeah there is obviously other intelligent species since universe is too big

 

[thickdickdaddy27]

nietzsche argues that eternal return is all we have. Big Bang theory happens we live and die and universe ends and we return again. We live the same existence but we don’t know it. Ngl that sounds like hell. It’s like we have no free will and no reason to live but to live out the same actions for billions of times

that's the closest plausible existence theory i'm leaning towards tbh our big bang being the first out of nothing doesn't make sense

 

[Deleted member 15338]

that's the closest plausible existence theory i'm leaning towards tbh our big bang being the first out of nothing doesn't make sense

Why people always want complex things tbh universe is bland simple

 

[thickdickdaddy27]

universe is bland simple

lol it's not. any deviation from the mathematical constants we have in our universe the simplest life forms wouldn't even exist

 

[Deleted member 14854]

That's a fake quote

 

[ThatDjangoWalk]

The Contingency Argument is the most solid theory under the present paradigm and it always leads to a Creator which is timeless (Eternal), One and Self Sufficient.

There are 3 types of existences:
• Impossible existences: Something which cannot be like a squared circle
• Possible existences: It has 3 characteristics, 1-It's dependant (The thing relies on something else in order for it to exist). 2-It could have been any other way. (Some determinists say it couldn't. It could be any other way if you exclude it's dependance of the Necessary Being. A determinist is someone who believes in a causal chain of events, however if you delete the causal chain and you have just this thing in isolation by itself, then this thing could be in any other way, so there is no requirement for it to be in any other way.) 3-If you take it out of existence absurdities don't happen (In other words, existence does not depend on it. For example 23 years ago i wasn't born, which means all of existence doesn't require me to exist for it's own existence)
• Necessary existences: Something which all Possible Existences depends upon, and it depends upon nothing (if you don't have this, you will not have existence)

The contingency argument is: There cannot be a world of only Possible Existences. Therefore, there must be a Necessary Existence.

Analogy: If i go to the sea, i know there must be a sea floor. I know that because i realize that water cannot continously balance upon itself and hold itself up without there being a foundational thing which holds it up, mantains it, sustains it.

• The Necessary Existence must be always existing (Post-Eternal and Pre-Eternal). If there was a time where the Neccesary Existence is not an existence then there could not be any existence.

• The Necessary Existence must be Uncaused. Someone might not believe in causation, that doesn't matter because if it was Caused, then what it is Caused by? It leads to Infinite Regression.

• It must be Self Suficient. Everything depends upon it and it depends upon nothing. Otherwise it would be a Possible Existence. Everything goes back to it.

Quick Resume: Either things are Dependant, or they are Independent, and you cannot have Regress of Dependent things, therefore there must be One Thing that is Independent.

 

[Deleted member 15338]

That's a fake quote

Even if it is fake Heisenberg was a Lutheran Christian so

 

[Madhate]

Yes, let's ask looksmax, an autist teenager forum for social outcasts about something literally no one on the entire planet Earth knows. Lmao

 

[Deleted member 15338]

The Contingency Argument is the most solid theory under the present paradigm and it always leads to a Creator which is timeless (Eternal), One and Self Sufficient.

There are 3 types of existences:
• Impossible existences: Something which cannot be like a squared circle
• Possible existences: It has 3 characteristics, 1-It's dependant (The thing relies on something else in order for it to exist). 2-It could have been any other way. (Some determinists say it couldn't. It could be any other way if you exclude it's dependance of the Necessary Being. A determinist is someone who believes in a causal chain of events, however if you delete the causal chain and you have just this thing in isolation by itself, then this thing could be in any other way, so there is no requirement for it to be in any other way.) 3-If you take it out of existence absurdities don't happen (In other words, existence does not depend on it. For example 23 years ago i wasn't born, which means all of existence doesn't require me to exist for it's own existence)
• Necessary existences: Something which all Possible Existences depends upon, and it depends upon nothing (if you don't have this, you will not have existence)

The contingency argument is: There cannot be a world of only Possible Existences. Therefore, there must be a Necessary Existence.

Analogy: If i go to the sea, i know there must be a sea floor. I know that because i realize that water cannot continously balance upon itself and hold itself up without there being a foundational thing which holds it up, mantains it, sustains it.

• The Necessary Existence must be always existing (Post-Eternal and Pre-Eternal). If there was a time where the Neccesary Existence is not an existence then there could not be any existence.

• The Necessary Existence must be Uncaused. Someone might not believe in causation, that doesn't matter because if it was Caused, then what it is Caused by? It leads to Infinite Regression.

• It must be Self Suficient. Everything depends upon it and it depends upon nothing. Otherwise it would be a Possible Existence. Everything goes back to it.

Quick Resume: Either things are Dependant, or they are Independent, and you cannot have Regress of Dependent things, therefore there must be One Thing that is Independent.

Smart take i agree but it is too obvious that our religions are fake only way it is true is all being metamorphical and even if it is that way God is a huge pussy tbh

 

[thickdickdaddy27]

Smart take i agree but it is too obvious that our religions are fake only way it is true is all being metamorphical and even if it is that way God is a huge pussy tbh

human consciousness is god. lol at believing there's a bearded old man watching over us. it's a myth created by our fragile egos that can't accept death is final

 

[ThatDjangoWalk]

Smart take i agree but it is too obvious that our religions are fake only way it is true is all being metamorphical

I don't agree because of the claims outside the time and space of the 3 monotheist religions especially Islam, but i'm not here to convert anyone, if anything about this subject PM me as i always say and i will answer when i can or want.

And don't spend much time in this place, it is a waste of resources, you could do better things (I don't mean only you WannabeJock but everyone who is reading and surfing this page).

 

[MrGlutton]

lol @ not believing in God

 

[Deleted member 4106]

therefore there must be One Thing that is Independent.

And that doesn't mean it's a God

 

[MikeMew'sBitch]

If god exists who created him? If someone created him than that deity also has a creator and it goes on and on. Since as you said, big bang couldnt be made from nothing how can a rational being such as god be created from nothing. Its the most easy and basic way to shut up religious people

 

[Deleted member 15338]

If god exists who created him? If someone created him than that deity also has a creator and it goes on and on. Its the most easy and basic way to shut up religious people

Low iq take and i am not even religious

 

[MikeMew'sBitch]

Low iq take and i am not even religious

That question was low IQ as fuck indeed, asking how can big bang exist from nothing while ignoring question how can god be created from nothing as well.

 

[thickdickdaddy27]

Low iq take and i am not even religious

u believe in heaven and hell?

 

[TUSSELEIF]

nietzsche argues that eternal return is all we have. Big Bang theory happens we live and die and universe ends and we return again. We live the same existence but we don’t know it. Ngl that sounds like hell. It’s like we have no free will and no reason to live but to live out the same actions for billions of times

Sounds like hell for beings that live shitty lives

 

[n0rthface]

nietzsche argues that eternal return is all we have. Big Bang theory happens we live and die and universe ends and we return again. We live the same existence but we don’t know it. Ngl that sounds like hell. It’s like we have no free will and no reason to live but to live out the same actions for billions of times

"Time is a flat circle. Everything we have done or will do we will do over and over and over again- forever."

 

[ThatDjangoWalk]

And that doesn't mean it's a God

There are many side arguments alongside the Contingency Argument that lead to it being a Being with consciousness, which is Timeless, Self Sufficient etc i.e a God, and it can never be more than One. Get deep on it if you are interested, it is truly a very nice but long subject which i enjoyed researching in the past.

If god exists who created him? If someone created him than that deity also has a creator and it goes on and on. Since as you said, big bang couldnt be made from nothing how can a rational being such as god be created from nothing. Its the most easy and basic way to shut up religious people

One of the oldest questions in the past, only amateur atheists ask it i.e Who Created God?

God according to the Contingency Argument and other sources is by definition Eternal, the Laws of time of the universe don't affect Him since He Created them, therefore nothing could be before Him and asking "What was before God" is meaningless.

Asking what is before or after something which is timeless is like asking what colour is something which is colourless.

 

[Gargantuan]

Muh big bang. Honestly, I think that if the evolution theory is false and the powers that be know this as well.
It's a lie that we've been fed to turn us into NPCs. Even though evolution might be a slow process that takes thousands of years to notice changes, it still means that we are changing on an extremely tiny level each generation. It also insinuates that not only are we changing, but we are improving. This means that we are better than our parents and they are better than our grandparents etc.

A lot of young people don't listen to their elder's wisdom in the western world. Instead, they are more likely to listen to what the government tells them. Imagine if we passed down most of our knowledge and wisdom generation after generation. The evolution theory could help discourage this on at least a subconscious level by encouraging us to ignore our past and our elders.
Then we think that we are progressing as humans by accepting modern concepts such as transsexualism, feminism, non-traditional families etc. The fact that our ancestors did not accept this is because they were behind us and we are slowly evolving from them.

If we were here by chance then morality has no foundation to it, and the sole purpose of man is survival. As a result, you can "do as they wilt" (a central tenet of Luciferianism) to achieve power, happiness, and to quench the thirst of your passions. The philosophy makes people their own "gods", which is the ultimate act of rebellion against God.

 

[Deleted member 15338]

u believe in heaven and hell?

No

 

[Deleted member 15338]

Muh big bang. Honestly, I think that if the evolution theory is false and the powers that be know this as well.
It's a lie that we've been fed to turn us into NPCs. Even though evolution might be a slow process that takes thousands of years to notice changes, it still means that we are changing on an extremely tiny level each generation. It also insinuates that not only are we changing, but we are improving. This means that we are better than our parents and they are better than our grandparents etc.

A lot of young people don't listen to their elder's wisdom in the western world. Instead, they are more likely to listen to what the government tells them. Imagine if we passed down most of our knowledge and wisdom generation after generation. The evolution theory could help discourage this on at least a subconscious level by encouraging us to ignore our past and our elders.
Then we think that we are progressing as humans by accepting modern concepts such as transsexualism, feminism, non-traditional families etc. The fact that our ancestors did not accept this is because they were behind us and we are slowly evolving from them.

If we were here by chance then morality has no foundation to it, and the sole purpose of man is survival. As a result, you can "do as they wilt" (a central tenet of Luciferianism) to achieve power, happiness, and to quench the thirst of your passions. The philosophy makes people their own "gods", which is the ultimate act of rebellion against God.

Bro lots of bullshit ngl evolution theory is %100 true we even know how earth and moon are formed

 

[TUSSELEIF]

Materialist/Marxist theory of universe being eternal is objectively wrong also you cant talk about before big bang since there is no before it. There can be another universes tho.

All in all we will never know, it is all theories

 

[Deleted member 4106]

There are many side arguments alongside the Contingency Argument that lead to it being a Being with consciousness, which is Timeless, Self Sufficient etc i.e a God, and it can never be more than One. Get deep on it if you are interested, it is truly a very nice but long subject which i enjoyed researching in the past.

And there are also numerous against.
Just put these attributes on anything else.

 

[thickdickdaddy27]

No

what's the meaning of this existence then? is it all for entertainment? religious people would say our existence is a test, which we'll be rewarded or punished for ultimately, but if there's no afterlife and our whole existence is created merely out of boredom then god surely is a sadistic mf

 

[Deleted member 15338]

what's the meaning of this existence then? is it all for entertainment? religious people would say our existence is a test, which we'll be rewarded or punished for ultimately, but if there's no afterlife and our whole existence is created merely out of boredom then god surely is a sadistic mf

Discussing meaning of existance is lowest iq shit i ever heard ngl humans literally project their own evolutionary emotions to entire universe, universe doesnt need to have a meaning but our lifes have a clear purpose which is having most ideal life possible reproducing surviving and mogging jfl

 

[ThatDjangoWalk]

And there are also numerous against.
Just put these attributes on anything else.

Perhaps i will make a thread on the future about it and we will discuss it there.

 

[thickdickdaddy27]

Discussing meaning of existance is lowest iq shit i ever heard ngl humans literally project their own evolutionary emotions to entire universe, universe doesnt need to have a meaning but our lifes have a clear purpose which is having most ideal life possible reproducing surviving and mogging jfl

ironic tbh trying to find the meaning of existence is low iq yet reproducing (pointless in the grand scheme of things) and mogging is high iq apparently?

 

[Deleted member 15338]

ironic tbh trying to find the meaning of existence is low iq yet reproducing (pointless in the grand scheme of things) and mogging is high iq apparently?

Exactly tbh coping about being a loser is why pseudo intellectuals exist

 

[BrendioEEE]

Without even getting into the nitty gritty, just ask yourself this. Why do all the most powerful people in the world worship Lucifer, are Satanists, or worship Demons in some form or fashion? Why do these same people actively try and attack and push people away from Christianity more than anything else? Why are these same people obsessed with psychedelics where they communicate with beings that tell them to kill children for knowledge? Why has almost every major civilization in the past that has had a priest class that took psychedelics, or an important person actively taking these drugs, end up killing children? Why have these people completely taken over academia to not allow for empirical science to take place anymore?

You don't even need any other evidence, this is proof enough that God is real, because if evil is real, and they're all doing this, that must mean it is real and right.

 

[hebbewem]

Without even getting into the nitty gritty, just ask yourself this. Why do all the most powerful people in the world worship Lucifer, are Satanists, or worship Demons in some form or fashion? Why do these same people actively try and attack and push people away from Christianity more than anything else? Why are these same people obsessed with psychedelics where they communicate with beings that tell them to kill children for knowledge? Why has almost every major civilization in the past that has had a priest class that took psychedelics, or an important person actively taking these drugs, end up killing children? Why have these people completely taken over academia to not allow for empirical science to take place anymore?

You don't even need any other evidence, this is proof enough that God is real, because if evil is real, and they're all doing this, that must mean it is real and right.

Nobody that is a leader worship lucifer

 

[BrendioEEE]

Nobody that is a leader worship lucifer

Braindead

 

[hebbewem]

Braindead

Lucifer proves that cristanty or islam is true. And worshiping lucfier means you go to hell why would any smart person wanna go to hell

 

[Deleted member 15338]

Without even getting into the nitty gritty, just ask yourself this. Why do all the most powerful people in the world worship Lucifer, are Satanists, or worship Demons in some form or fashion? Why do these same people actively try and attack and push people away from Christianity more than anything else? Why are these same people obsessed with psychedelics where they communicate with beings that tell them to kill children for knowledge? Why has almost every major civilization in the past that has had a priest class that took psychedelics, or an important person actively taking these drugs, end up killing children? Why have these people completely taken over academia to not allow for empirical science to take place anymore?

You don't even need any other evidence, this is proof enough that God is real, because if evil is real, and they're all doing this, that must mean it is real and right.

Concept of Judeo-Christian good and evil is all about Jews coping with being subhuman slaves in Egypt in Babylon then it took over whole world like a plague with Christian religion it just says being a loser=good, being powerful=bad. Also Christianity is father of progressivism and communism.

 

[Deleted member 7725]

Nobody that is a leader worship lucifer

Ever heard of bohemian grove?

 

[hebbewem]

Ever heard of bohemian grove?

No