Finns and Hungarians are white

[FlotPSL]

spend your time looking at their dna results instead of expressing your dumbass opinion without knowing the facts.

@InanimatePragmatist wouldnt let this slide

 

[FlotPSL]

@Gengar what about bulgarians they have tatar dna

 

[jeremyy]

Finns and Hungarians Are European Caucasoids, Not Mongoloid Hybrids.It’s time to debunk one of the most persistent myths floating around online:“Finns and Hungarians are mixed with Asian Mongoloids.”This is false, and here’s the genetic and anthropological data to prove it. Genetic Reality: They’re European, PeriodBoth Finns and Hungarians descend from European Caucasoids, not Mongoloids.Their autosomal DNA clusters with other Europeans, Finns with Balts and Scandinavians, Hungarians with Austrians and Central Europeans.Y-DNA Haplogroup N1c (common in Finns) originated in Siberia, but that doesn’t make it Mongoloid. It arose in Caucasoid populations who had migrated eastward from Europe. Just like R1a and R1b, haplogroup N is still of Eurasian origin, carried by people with Caucasoid morphology. It doesn’t imply East Asian ancestry. Archaeological Evidence: Skull Morphology Confirms ItThe oldest anatomically modern European skull, Mladec 1 (Czech Republic, 31,000 years ago), is Caucasoid, and represents the ancestral morphology of all later Europeans.Ancient North Eurasians (ANE), such as the Mal’ta boy (MA-1) from Siberia (~24,000 years ago), had:Light skinCaucasoid skull featuresNo East Asian/Mongoloid DNAY-DNA R, ancestral to Indo-EuropeansThese ancient Siberians were European-derived peoples, not Asians. Some of them carried haplogroup N, which later spread into northeastern Europe and became common among Uralic speakers like Finns. Language ≠ RaceFinns and Hungarians speak Uralic languages, but language is not a genetic marker.They picked up Uralic speech via elite dominance and cultural transmission, just as Jews speak Germanic Yiddish, or Africans speak French or English.There was no large-scale racial replacement by Mongoloids in Finland or Hungary.Caucasoid Lineage Is ClearModern people with Caucasoid morphology from Europe, the Middle East, Central Asia, and parts of India all trace back to the same European ancestors:WHG (Western Hunter-Gatherers)ANE (Ancient North Eurasians)EEF (Early European Farmers)Unified via the Yamnaya Steppe people (R1a/R1b), forming modern Europeans. Skull structure, pigmentation genetics, and full genome sequencing all confirm that Finns and Hungarians are entirely within this Caucasoid cluster.Final Verdict:Finns and Hungarians are not “mixed” with Asian Mongoloids.They are European Caucasoids, descended from early Europeans who migrated into Siberia, developed a few unique haplogroups, and retained their original morphology and genetics.Any claim otherwise is either based on obsolete racial pseudoscience or confusion between language families and genetic ancestry.Moreover, most people don’t realize this, but what we now call the “Mongoloid” or East Asian racial type didn’t even exist until relatively recently in human history. The earliest modern humans who migrated into East Asia and Siberia were not “Asian” in the way we define it today, they were Eurasian populations with cranial features that we’d now consider Caucasoid.For example, the Mladec 1 skull found in the Czech Republic and dated to ~31,000 years ago is the oldest confirmed Caucasoid specimen. Around this same period, humans were also entering Siberia and East Asia, but those populations had not yet developed the morphological traits that define East Asians today.Mongoloid features, such as epicanthic folds, flatter facial structure, wider zygomatic arches, and thicker dermal fat , evolved later, around 15,000 to 10,000 years ago. These traits were adaptive responses to extreme cold, low UV exposure, and wind in the Siberian and northern East Asian regions during the Last Glacial Maximum.Prior to that, remains like the Tianyuan Man in China (~40,000 years ago) show no clear Mongoloid morphology. Likewise, Upper Paleolithic skeletal material across Siberia often retain Eurasian traits with cranial affinities closer to West Eurasians than to later East Asians.So when people claim that Finns or Hungarians are “mixed with Asians,” they’re misunderstanding the genetic timeline. The haplogroups like N1c that some Uralic peoples carry did indeed originate in Siberia, but before the distinctive Mongoloid phenotype had even evolved. These groups were early European-descended populations that developed in Siberia and carried new lineages westward as they returned to Europe.There is no need to postulate East Asian admixture to explain their genes. The populations were still fully Caucasoid in skull morphology and genetic structure at the time. Modern East Asians (Han, Koreans, Japanese, etc.) only became distinct in the Holocene, well after the Finnic migration westward.In short: Finns and Hungarians are European Caucasoids. The populations they descended from lived in Siberia before the Mongoloid phenotype existed. They are not hybrids or mixed breeds, they are branches off the original Caucasoid tree that developed a few new haplogroups in the north before returning to Europe.

Dnr plus kys

 

[Olivecel]

@Gengar what about bulgarians they have tatar dna

They don’t.

 

[InanimatePragmatist]

spend your time looking at their dna results instead of expressing your dumbass opinion without knowing the facts.

I have my own and my families, I know for sure we are not anything but European. Likewise to my other members of my ilk.

 

[FlotPSL]

They don’t.

how

 

[FlotPSL]

ilk.

ilk?

 

[InanimatePragmatist]

ilk?

ilk /ĭlk/

noun​

1. Type or kind.
   "can't trust people of that ilk."
2. Kind; class; sort; type; ; -- sometimes used to indicate disapproval when applied to people.
   "him and his ilk"
   Similar: kindclasssorttype
3. A type, race or category; a group of entities that have common characteristics such that they may be grouped together.

 

[FlotPSL]

ilk /ĭlk/

noun​

1. Type or kind.
   "can't trust people of that ilk."
2. Kind; class; sort; type; ; -- sometimes used to indicate disapproval when applied to people.
   "him and his ilk"
   Similar: kindclasssorttype
3. A type, race or category; a group of entities that have common characteristics such that they may be grouped together.

yeah i looked it up and thought thats why u meant until i saw its also a villiage in hungary

 

[Olivecel]

I have my own and my families, I know for sure we are not anything but European. Likewise to my other members of my ilk.

I always said Bulgarians are European and white.
So why did you give me a “-3 iq”? You may have misinterpreted what I said.

 

[Olivecel]

how

Their dna doesn’t show any trace of it.

 

[karmacita901]

 

[Olivecel]

ilk /ĭlk/

noun​

1. Type or kind.
   "can't trust people of that ilk."
2. Kind; class; sort; type; ; -- sometimes used to indicate disapproval when applied to people.
   "him and his ilk"
   Similar: kindclasssorttype
3. A type, race or category; a group of entities that have common characteristics such that they may be grouped together.

Very typical westoid terminology

 

[TheStonerOne]

Europeans in general will cluster with each other because Europeans are the least genetically diverse. However Saamis will plot closer to Central Asians than they would do other Europeans.

"Europeans" do not cluster with each other in regional PCA charts. In global charts, this is obviously the case because in a global context, it is about possession of PROPORTIONS of "Western Eurasian" ancestry and it doesn't matter if it is Natufian or Southern European or Northern European. As long as it is Western Eurasian in general, this happens.

Why are Basques and Lebanese a specific cluster despite regional studies placing Basques and Lebanese "far away" from each other? Because Basques and Lebanese are both "predominantly Western Eurasian" and (Maghrebi) North Africans AREN'T.

HOWEVER, in regional studies, "Europeans" do NOT form a cluster and can be distinguished from each other.

In this study of Cretans, there is a distinction between Cretans and Levantines, but ALSO between Cretans and Slavs (despite sharing IBD). There is NO difference between Cretans and Ashkenazim however.

Ignore Cyprus. If "Europe" was "homogenous" why aren't all the populations of "Europe" virtually indistinguishable? There is pretty much no overlap between Sardinia and Northern Russia.

Also, this should undermine your outdated nonsense. If "Europe" was "homogenous" why are FST values between some Europeans and some non-Europeans greater than the distance between some Europeans and other Europeans? Why are Sicilians closer to Syrians than they are to any Northern European population? Why are FST values between the POPULATION ISOLATE that is Sardinians and Lebanese less than the difference between said Sardinians and Balts?

Also, what do you mean by "European"? There isn't a European genetic structure. That's a myth.

 

[FlotPSL]

"Europeans" do not cluster with each other in regional PCA charts. In global charts, this is obviously the case because in a global context, it is about possession of PROPORTIONS of "Western Eurasian" ancestry and it doesn't matter if it is Natufian or Southern European or Northern European. As long as it is Western Eurasian in general, this happens.

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Why are Basques and Lebanese a specific cluster despite regional studies placing Basques and Lebanese "far away" from each other? Because Basques and Lebanese are both "predominantly Western Eurasian" and (Maghrebi) North Africans AREN'T.

HOWEVER, in regional studies, "Europeans" do NOT form a cluster and can be distinguished from each other.

View attachment 4071280
In this study of Cretans, there is a distinction between Cretans and Levantines, but ALSO between Cretans and Slavs (despite sharing IBD). There is NO difference between Cretans and Ashkenazim however.

View attachment 4071291

Ignore Cyprus. If "Europe" was "homogenous" why aren't all the populations of "Europe" virtually indistinguishable? There is pretty much no overlap between Sardinia and Northern Russia.

Also, this should undermine your outdated nonsense. If "Europe" was "homogenous" why are FST values between some Europeans and some non-Europeans greater than the distance between some Europeans and other Europeans? Why are Sicilians closer to Syrians than they are to any Northern European population? Why are FST values between the POPULATION ISOLATE that is Sardinians and Lebanese less than the difference between said Sardinians and Balts?

Also, what do you mean by "European"? There isn't a European genetic structure. That's a myth.

Yes but no one really says cyprus and sardinians are white

 

[Gengar]

"Europeans" do not cluster with each other in regional PCA charts. In global charts, this is obviously the case because in a global context, it is about possession of PROPORTIONS of "Western Eurasian" ancestry and it doesn't matter if it is Natufian or Southern European or Northern European. As long as it is Western Eurasian in general, this happens.

View attachment 4071266
Why are Basques and Lebanese a specific cluster despite regional studies placing Basques and Lebanese "far away" from each other? Because Basques and Lebanese are both "predominantly Western Eurasian" and (Maghrebi) North Africans AREN'T.

HOWEVER, in regional studies, "Europeans" do NOT form a cluster and can be distinguished from each other.

View attachment 4071280
In this study of Cretans, there is a distinction between Cretans and Levantines, but ALSO between Cretans and Slavs (despite sharing IBD). There is NO difference between Cretans and Ashkenazim however.

View attachment 4071291

Ignore Cyprus. If "Europe" was "homogenous" why aren't all the populations of "Europe" virtually indistinguishable? There is pretty much no overlap between Sardinia and Northern Russia.

Also, this should undermine your outdated nonsense. If "Europe" was "homogenous" why are FST values between some Europeans and some non-Europeans greater than the distance between some Europeans and other Europeans? Why are Sicilians closer to Syrians than they are to any Northern European population? Why are FST values between the POPULATION ISOLATE that is Sardinians and Lebanese less than the difference between said Sardinians and Balts?

Also, what do you mean by "European"? There isn't a European genetic structure. That's a myth.

Not sure why you are mentioning fst distances. I was talking about PCA plots. Nothing I said was false, look up any global PCA.

 

[TheStonerOne]

Not sure why you are mentioning fst distances. I was talking about PCA plots. Nothing I said was false, look up any global PCA.

There's a difference between regional studies and global studies. You clearly don't know the difference. If we're talking about global studies, then the idea of Europeans not being "differentiated from each other" also applies to Europeans BETWEEN Middle Easterners since they ALWAYS overlap. Western Eurasians as a WHOLE would have little differentiation. But again, you don't know the difference.

 

[Gengar]

There's a difference between regional studies and global studies. You clearly don't know the difference. If we're talking about global studies, then the idea of Europeans not being "differentiated from each other" also applies to Europeans BETWEEN Middle Easterners since they ALWAYS overlap. Western Eurasians as a WHOLE would have little differentiation. But again, you don't know the difference.

You're getting emotional over no reason. I was referring PCA plots, not anything else. Nothing I said was wrong. But again, you're getting emotional over no reason.

 

[FlotPSL]

You're getting emotional over no reason. I was referring PCA plots, not anything else. Nothing I said was wrong. But again, you're getting emotional over no reason.

He believes race doesnt exist thats why

 

[Gengar]

He believes race doesnt exist thats why

Right, he's (((one of them))). No wonder he's getting so emotional.

 

[FlotPSL]

Right, he's (((one of them))). No wonder he's getting so emotional.

And the nigga always takes non white europeans like sicilians and spaniards and tries to project to all europeans

 

[Gengar]

And the nigga always takes non white europeans like sicilians and spaniards and tries to project to all europeans

And then he has the audacity to claim I don't know anything.