FIRST BLAST AT 17 [HIGH IQ ROIDERS GTFIH NEED ADVICE]

[volgaTz]

About me:

• 17 years old (turning 18 in 4 months)
• 6'4 / 193cm
• 160lb / 73kg
• around 13bf%

Goal:

• improve facial dimorphism, since im extremly low dimo
• craniofacial bone remodeling/bone density as long its still possible at my age
• body recomp, gain muscle mass but still stay lean this summer

Blast Plan
Main Compound:

→ 14-18 weeks
Testosterone Enanthate: 70mg/ed (490mg/w)

Spoiler: thoughts

• for my first blast I wanna run test only
• starting with 500mg right away cuz I dont wanna waste time and since test e has 4-5 day half life the levels rise slowly anyway so natural ramp up is built in and for sides lll play very safe with everything on hand what I need + frequent bloods
• ed pin for most stable blood levels and minimizing sides
• I def will add other compounds like hgh and maybe tren in my second blast (winter bulk for da crazyyy gains)
• I would start with hgh right away but im too broke rn and since I am starting with such a high dose of test I think its better to monitor bloods etc with only one main compound

Ancillaries:
Starting from day 1:

• Raloxifene: 30mg/ed
• Omega 3: 3-4g/ed
• Citrus Bergamt: 1000mg/ed
• Isotretinoin: 10mg/ed
• TUDCA: 500mg/ed
• ru58841: 50mg/ed
• Oral minoxidil: 1,25mg/ed

On hand, but only if needed:
(depending on blood work/bp/sides)

• Anastrozol: 0,5/eod
• Telmisartan: 40mg/ed
• Ezetimibe: 10mg/ed
• Dutasteride: 0,5mg/eod

Explanation:

Spoiler: explanation

Raloxifene:
I have gyno since Im like 12 so will start with 30mg to hopefully reverse it,
but will up to 60mg/ed if it gets worse on blast

Omega 3:
I eat salmon quite often, prolly will try to eat 300g eod
and limit the omega 3 supps but without the salmon it would be 3-4g thats why I wrote the standard dose above

Isotretinoin:
I have mild acne just want completely clear skin,
but will looks at acne sides and up the dose to 20-40mg/ed

ru58841, minoxidil, dut:
I have extremly good hair genetics from my dad,
thats why i wont take dut from day 1 but since ru58841 has like no sides ill take that first
minox for thicker eyebrows and eyelash growth
(im happy with my lashes and brows but it can still improve tho so why not)

Thinking about adding:
Vitamin C: 1-2g/ed as an Antioxidant
garlic extract: 1000mg/ed for TMAO protection and mild cardiovascular support

Blood work:
first baseline bloods before blast:

Spoiler: blood tests list

CBC
Estradiol (E2)
Total Testosterone
ALT
AST
GGT
HDL Cholesterol
LDL Cholesterol
Creatinine
LH
FSH
Prolactin
SHBG
Triglycerides
CRP
Total Bilirubin
TSH
Free T3 (fT3)
Free T4 (fT4)
HbA1c
PSA
Glucose
Urea

optional:
IGF-1
DHEA-S
Albumin
Homocysteine

Cruise Plan:
→ 8-12 weeks

Spoiler: stack (compounds + ancillaries)

• test e: 150-200mg weekly
• hcg: 2x 500mg weekly
  → so I can bust loads into my gf again
• Raloxifene: 30mg/ed
• Omega 3: 3-4g/ed
• Isotretinoin: 10mg/ed
• ru58841: 50mg/ed
• Oral minoxidil: 1,25mg/ed
• everything else still on hand

Problems / Need Advice:

• Does it makes sense to start with such a high dose if I wanna blast n cruise for life anyway?
• I just want to get as much craniofacial effects as possible wich why I wanna start asap
• Is 14-18 weeks a good first blast length?
• Should I maintain my 13bf% or eat in a small cal surplus? Like I said still wanna be lean but make good gains..
• Any other suggestions regarding my blood work or ancillaries?

Spoiler: sourcing

Still have to decide if I buy my test from wwb or a germon ugl (blitzschnell)
The problem is I heard good stuff about wwb's test but never saw a good lab test jfl, even saw a customer test with only 87% purity..
blitzschnell is garantueed to have good quality but Id pay 3x the price. For peps Ill def consider wwb but it would be better to buy all my stuff from one place since I am on a budget lol
For ancillaries Ill still have to find a seller on indiamart..

Disclaimer: If I wrote some low iq retard shit please have mercy im just a grey who wants to slay

 

[cooIguy]

good luck

 

[Embrace]

how much u expending

 

[decret]

mirin

 

[volgaTz]

good luck

thanks brah

any suggestions?

 

[rotation]

looks fine but you can run the duration much longer

 

[cooIguy]

thanks brah

any suggestions?

nah i wish i had money for test
i might hop on when i get some money for my 18th birthday

 

[dirittomarco]

improve facial dimorphism, since im extremly low dimo

is it even possible at 18?

 

[CadBaneee]

Don't use dut at 17

Cut down so you aromatase less

Use exe instead of ana

Take hcg 250 e2d/e3d

 

[Fleisch]

Just add GH and ill tell all my friends not to hate on your posts from now on

 

[mylo1234]

About me:

• 17 years old (turning 18 in 4 months)
• 6'4 / 193cm
• 160lb / 73kg
• around 13bf%

Goal:

• improve facial dimorphism, since im extremly low dimo
• craniofacial bone remodeling/bone density as long its still possible at my age
• body recomp, gain muscle mass but still stay lean this summer

Blast Plan
Main Compound:

→ 14-18 weeks
Testosterone Enanthate: 70mg/ed (490mg/w)

Spoiler: thoughts

• for my first blast I wanna run test only
• starting with 500mg right away cuz I dont wanna waste time and since test e has 4-5 day half life the levels rise slowly anyway so natural ramp up is built in and for sides lll play very safe with everything on hand what I need + frequent bloods
• ed pin for most stable blood levels and minimizing sides
• I def will add other compounds like hgh and maybe tren in my second blast (winter bulk for da crazyyy gains)
• I would start with hgh right away but im too broke rn and since I am starting with such a high dose of test I think its better to monitor bloods etc with only one main compound

Ancillaries:
Starting from day 1:

• Raloxifene: 30mg/ed
• Omega 3: 3-4g/ed
• Citrus Bergamt: 1000mg/ed
• Isotretinoin: 10mg/ed
• TUDCA: 500mg/ed
• ru58841: 50mg/ed
• Oral minoxidil: 1,25mg/ed

On hand, but only if needed:
(depending on blood work/bp/sides)

• Anastrozol: 0,5/eod
• Telmisartan: 40mg/ed
• Ezetimibe: 10mg/ed
• Dutasteride: 0,5mg/eod

Explanation:

Spoiler: explanation

Raloxifene:
I have gyno since Im like 12 so will start with 30mg to hopefully reverse it,
but will up to 60mg/ed if it gets worse on blast

Omega 3:
I eat salmon quite often, prolly will try to eat 300g eod
and limit the omega 3 supps but without the salmon it would be 3-4g thats why I wrote the standard dose above

Isotretinoin:
I have mild acne just want completely clear skin,
but will looks at acne sides and up the dose to 20-40mg/ed

ru58841, minoxidil, dut:
I have extremly good hair genetics from my dad,
thats why i wont take dut from day 1 but since ru58841 has like no sides ill take that first
minox for thicker eyebrows and eyelash growth
(im happy with my lashes and brows but it can still improve tho so why not)

Thinking about adding:
Vitamin C: 1-2g/ed as an Antioxidant
garlic extract: 1000mg/ed for TMAO protection and mild cardiovascular support

Blood work:
first baseline bloods before blast:

Spoiler: blood tests list

CBC
Estradiol (E2)
Total Testosterone
ALT
AST
GGT
HDL Cholesterol
LDL Cholesterol
Creatinine
LH
FSH
Prolactin
SHBG
Triglycerides
CRP
Total Bilirubin
TSH
Free T3 (fT3)
Free T4 (fT4)
HbA1c
PSA
Glucose
Urea

optional:
IGF-1
DHEA-S
Albumin
Homocysteine

Cruise Plan:
→ 8-12 weeks

Spoiler: stack (compounds + ancillaries)

• test e: 150-200mg weekly
• hcg: 2x 500mg weekly
  → so I can bust loads into my gf again
• Raloxifene: 30mg/ed
• Omega 3: 3-4g/ed
• Isotretinoin: 10mg/ed
• ru58841: 50mg/ed
• Oral minoxidil: 1,25mg/ed
• everything else still on hand

Problems / Need Advice:

• Does it makes sense to start with such a high dose if I wanna blast n cruise for life anyway?
• I just want to get as much craniofacial effects as possible wich why I wanna start asap
• Is 14-18 weeks a good first blast length?
• Should I maintain my 13bf% or eat in a small cal surplus? Like I said still wanna be lean but make good gains..
• Any other suggestions regarding my blood work or ancillaries?

Spoiler: sourcing

Still have to decide if I buy my test from wwb or a germon ugl (blitzschnell)
The problem is I heard good stuff about wwb's test but never saw a good lab test jfl, even saw a customer test with only 87% purity..
blitzschnell is garantueed to have good quality but Id pay 3x the price. For peps Ill def consider wwb but it would be better to buy all my stuff from one place since I am on a budget lol
For ancillaries Ill still have to find a seller on indiamart..

Disclaimer: If I wrote some low iq retard shit please have mercy im just a grey who wants to slay

add in mast or dhb and tren or halo and p5p and ghkcu and lower test dose also fuck dut it wont works for test hairloss if you lose ur hair using ru58841 and minodoxil just get a transplant you where going to anyways

 

[Fleisch]

Don't use dutasteride at 17, use ru 58841

Fucking retard, DHT kills u

 

[volgaTz]

how much u expending

how much Im spending?

Idk yet read "sourcing" have to find a source for all the ancillaries but supps like omega 3 and bergamont will prolly be the most expensive cuz im buying from amazon
Test is pretty cheap 250mg*10 $100 from wwb and 1 vial from blitzschnell (german ugl) like 35 bucks but still cheap in comperison to gh

 

[Ruinedbyfaceshape]

Do it for 20 weeks

 

[volgaTz]

mirin

thanks

 

[mylo1234]

Don't use dutasteride at 17, use ru 58841

exactly this kid is going for dimorphism but is using dut and also no dht derivates or 19 nors

 

[mylo1234]

Fucking retard, DHT kills u

nigga

 

[Ruinedbyfaceshape]

how much Im spending?

Idk yet read "sourcing" have to find a source for all the ancillaries but supps like omega 3 and bergamont will prolly be the most expensive cuz im buying from amazon
Test is pretty cheap 250mg*10 $100 from wwb and 1 vial from blitzschnell (german ugl) like 35 bucks but still cheap in comperison to gh

chinese test from what I've heard is dog shit

 

[volgaTz]

looks fine but you can run the duration much longer

I just wanna run other compounds and start with a normal bulk on my second blast and if my first blast is longer then I also have to cruise longer and by the time Im starting my second blast its already spring 2027 and I obv wanna be ready to be shredded next summer

 

[Embrace]

how much Im spending?

Idk yet read "sourcing" have to find a source for all the ancillaries but supps like omega 3 and bergamont will prolly be the most expensive cuz im buying from amazon
Test is pretty cheap 250mg*10 $100 from wwb and 1 vial from blitzschnell (german ugl) like 35 bucks but still cheap in comperison to gh

mirin, update us!

 

[volgaTz]

nah i wish i had money for test
i might hop on when i get some money for my 18th birthday

bet
dude test is prolly the cheapest compound jfl

 

[CadBaneee]

Fucking retard, DHT kills u

Jfl at you

DHT is needed to develop

Only useless after puberty

 

[volgaTz]

is it even possible at 18?

yes but idk if test alone will help as much
test, tren, halo is a good stack but dont wanna do that as first blast

 

[volgaTz]

Don't use dut at 17

I will only take dut if I will see sides even while on ru58841 and oral minox
hair is loss, cant risk it

Cut down so you aromatase less

im literally pinning ed + have ai on hand and will do bloods
but how much would u say tho

Use exe instead of ana

could u explain why

Take hcg 250 e2d/e3d

alr, I just asked claude to make me a cruise stack jfl just too have everything included in this thread
I still have time to work on my cruise

 

[volgaTz]

Just add GH

dont have the money to do that rn but will def do later while blasting

and ill tell all my friends not to hate on your posts from now on

did someone of ur friends hate my posts?
thanks tho

 

[volgaTz]

exactly this kid is going for dimorphism but is using dut and also no dht derivates or 19 nors

can u explain? or share a thread talking about the importance of dht at after/late stage puberty?
Also like i said, i wont take dut unless my hair will start to fall out

 

[volgaTz]

mirin, update us!

thanks
I will

 

[mylo1234]

can u explain? or share a thread talking about the importance of dht at after/late stage puberty?
Also like i said, i wont take dut unless my hair will start to fall out

dht is literally what deepens voice and devolops penis u can take test and get some changes in bones but thats all and also test just isint as good for browridge jaw for example as tren or dhb is and also dhb would do the first 2 things i said to all dimophism

 

[King.epstein]

way too much useless shit, everything out except maybe an ai.

Start with 350 test minimum weekly everything under 350 test will look natural af.

Hcg is not needed if you want children try it a few months there is a mid high chance your sperm quality is still intact and if it’s not then you take hcg a few weeks-months

 

[volgaTz]

tren or dhb

I will consider this on my second blast thats why I also dont wanna make the first one to long (20 weeks like some users suggested)
or how much time do I have for huge dimo changes??

 

[CadBaneee]

I will only take dut if I will see sides even while on ru58841 and oral minox
hair is loss, cant risk it


im literally pinning ed + have ai on hand and will do bloods
but how much would u say tho


could u explain why


alr, I just asked claude to make me a cruise stack jfl just too have everything included in this thread
I still have time to work on my cruise

Hair is life, just saying because dht is important at your age

Didnt read the part with ed pins, sorry

You will build muscle anyway at 500 test, even when dieting

Id say like 10% but it depends

Exe behause its a suicide inhibitor, that means that exe kills the aromatase enzyme and Ana only blocks the aromatase enzymes temporarily and that can lead to an estrogen rebound once you stop taking it

And it has a less negative impact on your HDL/LDL Cholesterol levels

 

[Grievous]

u said u want dimo then u go and take Dutasteride too
ur not getting shit at almost 18 anyways , too old

 

[volgaTz]

Start with 350 test minimum weekly everything under 350 test will look natural af.

what are u talking about im literally starting with 500mg weekly??

Hcg is not needed if you want children try it a few months there is a mid high chance your sperm quality is still intact and if it’s not then you take hcg a few weeks-months

im taking hcg only while cruising

way too much useless shit, everything out except maybe an ai.

u want me to end like bonesrr?


dude i think u just dnr my whole thread or maybe im reading ur post wrong

 

[Fleisch]

thanks
I will

Dont listen to the retards telling u not to use DUtastride, they think DHT=Dimo , Which is extremely false and very far from the truth, look at the study's comparing a twin, One had 5ar deficiency as a dissease ( 0 DHT since birth ) the only diffrence was the voice and the size of his penis, even his mucle mass was higher on the one with 0 DHT, but for sake of argument it was the same.

So at 17 you gonna be fine to nuke DHT conversion

Half of these niggers come straight off tiktok and come to this forum to just shitpost, while not ever reading even 1 molecule of BOTB posts

 

[volgaTz]

u said u want dimo then u go and take Dutasteride too
ur not getting shit at almost 18 anyways , too old

dut only on hand if i see my hair falling out
I have good genetics + ru58841 since day 1 so I prolly wont need it but will HAVE IT ON HAND CUZ HAIR IS LAW

 

[volgaTz]

Exe behause its a suicide inhibitor, that means that exe kills the aromatase enzyme and Ana only blocks the aromatase enzymes temporarily and that can lead to an estrogen rebound once you stop taking it

thats the reason I dont wanna take exe

And it has a less negative impact on your HDL/LDL Cholesterol levels

ancillaries + bloods

 

[King.epstein]

dude i think u just dnr my whole thread or maybe im reading ur post wrong

True jfl sorry I only read the first things but yeah even for 500test I think hcg and serms are useless for me 500 test worked even without an ai

 

[volgaTz]

Dont listen to the retards telling u not to use DUtastride, they think DHT=Dimo , Which is extremely false and very far from the truth, look at the study's comparing a twin, One had 5ar deficiency as a dissease ( 0 DHT since birth ) the only diffrence was the voice and the size of his penis, even his mucle mass was higher on the one with 0 DHT, but for sake of argument it was the same.

So at 17 you gonna be fine to nuke DHT conversion

Half of these niggers come straight off tiktok and come to this forum to just shitpost, while not ever reading even 1 molecule of BOTB posts

dont have any hope for my dih to grow more jfl
but I def want a deeper voice thats why I wont be taking dut from day 1

 

[volgaTz]

True jfl sorry I only read the first things but yeah even for 500test I think hcg and serms are useless for me 500 test worked even without an ai

thats why I only have it on hand and wont be taking it from day 1

bro i just copy paste every single time no nigga here even red half of my thread...

 

[Fleisch]

dont have any hope for my dih to grow more jfl
but I def want a deeper voice thats why I wont be taking dut from day 1

Well, then u could just use topical DHT blockers like RU and use that only

 

[King.epstein]

thats why I only have it on hand and wont be taking it from day 1

bro i just copy paste every single time no nigga here even red half of my thread...

Mirin attention span

 

[volgaTz]

Well, then u could just use topical DHT blockers like RU and use that only

yes thats what I am planning to do..
i wrote that in my thread:

starting from day 1 vs on hand:

Ancillaries:
Starting from day 1:

• Raloxifene: 30mg/ed
• Omega 3: 3-4g/ed
• Citrus Bergamt: 1000mg/ed
• Isotretinoin: 10mg/ed
• TUDCA: 500mg/ed
• ru58841: 50mg/ed
• Oral minoxidil: 1,25mg/ed

On hand, but only if needed:
(depending on blood work/bp/sides)

• Anastrozol: 0,5/eod
• Telmisartan: 40mg/ed
• Ezetimibe: 10mg/ed
• Dutasteride: 0,5mg/eod

 

[Ruinedbyfaceshape]

Everything's like semi decent kinda useless but why in the world wouldmyou try to maintain at 500mg test you should be bulking on test at least lean bulking

 

[volgaTz]

Everything's like semi decent kinda useless but why in the world wouldmyou try to maintain at 500mg test you should be bulking on test at least lean bulking

cuz i wanna be lean during summer

like i said i thought of doing a small cal surplus like 200-300cal

 

[Ruinedbyfaceshape]

cuz i wanna be lean during summer

like i said i thought of doing a small cal surplus like 200-300cal

jfl I can't read like anyone else on this thread

 

[volgaTz]

About me:

• 17 years old (turning 18 in 4 months)
• 6'4 / 193cm
• 160lb / 73kg
• around 13bf%

Goal:

• improve facial dimorphism, since im extremly low dimo
• craniofacial bone remodeling/bone density as long its still possible at my age
• body recomp, gain muscle mass but still stay lean this summer

Blast Plan
Main Compound:

→ 14-18 weeks
Testosterone Enanthate: 70mg/ed (490mg/w)

Spoiler: thoughts

• for my first blast I wanna run test only
• starting with 500mg right away cuz I dont wanna waste time and since test e has 4-5 day half life the levels rise slowly anyway so natural ramp up is built in and for sides lll play very safe with everything on hand what I need + frequent bloods
• ed pin for most stable blood levels and minimizing sides
• I def will add other compounds like hgh and maybe tren in my second blast (winter bulk for da crazyyy gains)
• I would start with hgh right away but im too broke rn and since I am starting with such a high dose of test I think its better to monitor bloods etc with only one main compound

Ancillaries:
Starting from day 1:

• Raloxifene: 30mg/ed
• Omega 3: 3-4g/ed
• Citrus Bergamt: 1000mg/ed
• Isotretinoin: 10mg/ed
• TUDCA: 500mg/ed
• ru58841: 50mg/ed
• Oral minoxidil: 1,25mg/ed

On hand, but only if needed:
(depending on blood work/bp/sides)

• Anastrozol: 0,5/eod
• Telmisartan: 40mg/ed
• Ezetimibe: 10mg/ed
• Dutasteride: 0,5mg/eod

Explanation:

Spoiler: explanation

Raloxifene:
I have gyno since Im like 12 so will start with 30mg to hopefully reverse it,
but will up to 60mg/ed if it gets worse on blast

Omega 3:
I eat salmon quite often, prolly will try to eat 300g eod
and limit the omega 3 supps but without the salmon it would be 3-4g thats why I wrote the standard dose above

Isotretinoin:
I have mild acne just want completely clear skin,
but will looks at acne sides and up the dose to 20-40mg/ed

ru58841, minoxidil, dut:
I have extremly good hair genetics from my dad,
thats why i wont take dut from day 1 but since ru58841 has like no sides ill take that first
minox for thicker eyebrows and eyelash growth
(im happy with my lashes and brows but it can still improve tho so why not)

Thinking about adding:
Vitamin C: 1-2g/ed as an Antioxidant
garlic extract: 1000mg/ed for TMAO protection and mild cardiovascular support

Blood work:
first baseline bloods before blast:

Spoiler: blood tests list

CBC
Estradiol (E2)
Total Testosterone
ALT
AST
GGT
HDL Cholesterol
LDL Cholesterol
Creatinine
LH
FSH
Prolactin
SHBG
Triglycerides
CRP
Total Bilirubin
TSH
Free T3 (fT3)
Free T4 (fT4)
HbA1c
PSA
Glucose
Urea

optional:
IGF-1
DHEA-S
Albumin
Homocysteine

Cruise Plan:
→ 8-12 weeks

Spoiler: stack (compounds + ancillaries)

• test e: 150-200mg weekly
• hcg: 2x 500mg weekly
  → so I can bust loads into my gf again
• Raloxifene: 30mg/ed
• Omega 3: 3-4g/ed
• Isotretinoin: 10mg/ed
• ru58841: 50mg/ed
• Oral minoxidil: 1,25mg/ed
• everything else still on hand

Problems / Need Advice:

• Does it makes sense to start with such a high dose if I wanna blast n cruise for life anyway?
• I just want to get as much craniofacial effects as possible wich why I wanna start asap
• Is 14-18 weeks a good first blast length?
• Should I maintain my 13bf% or eat in a small cal surplus? Like I said still wanna be lean but make good gains..
• Any other suggestions regarding my blood work or ancillaries?

Spoiler: sourcing

Still have to decide if I buy my test from wwb or a germon ugl (blitzschnell)
The problem is I heard good stuff about wwb's test but never saw a good lab test jfl, even saw a customer test with only 87% purity..
blitzschnell is garantueed to have good quality but Id pay 3x the price. For peps Ill def consider wwb but it would be better to buy all my stuff from one place since I am on a budget lol
For ancillaries Ill still have to find a seller on indiamart..

Disclaimer: If I wrote some low iq retard shit please have mercy im just a grey who wants to slay

@Micrognathic @BR32 @PharmaPhaggot @cemkii

 

[PharmaPhaggot]

@Micrognathic @BR32 @PharmaPhaggot @cemkii

Br is gone

But wtv just lengthen the blast a bit otherwise good

Could even throw in eq or lgd for shits and giggles especially as you got a lot to fill out

 

[cemkii]

up dosage of minoxidil add a diuretic as well as water retention is common from most of these also i did hear ru can potentiality affect systemic its not entirely local
w stack though seems well thought out
go for 6 months cause i doubt youd see results that fast

 

[volgaTz]

Br is gone

did he selfban again?

But wtv just lengthen the blast a bit otherwise good

heard that alot, will do that thanks!

Could even throw in eq or lgd for shits and giggles especially as you got a lot to fill out

what would u recommend?

 

[PharmaPhaggot]

did he selfban again?


heard that alot, will do that thanks!


what would u recommend?

No but he just said he went schizo and left, check his profile

Maybe 10lgd, super light on your body snd mind but decent gains