Forward growth is good provided the entire face is forward grown including the eye.

[reptiles]

Lets take a look at forward growth with a non forward eye area.

Then lets compare with a reduced forward growth.

And lets try full facial growth.

You see the difference ?

It's about forward growth in all directions simple forward growth of the jaws is not enough.

props to @CopeAndRope for putting this out their this shit is brutal.


Here is a theoretical and only way to fix this.

Orbital will not fix this either as you need to bring the entire eye section forward.

The only way i can think of is.



CCW SUPER BIMAX AND lefort mono bloc surgery could hypothetically fix this shit.


Monobloc for reference

Super bimax

What a ccw looks like.

These in adage can simulate full forward growth

 

[AutisticBeaner]

since when do eyes change their position?

 

[reptiles]

since when do eyes change their position?

They don't your eye area overall is brought forward or is given the illusion so

 

[AutisticBeaner]

They don't your eye area overall is brought forward or is given the illusion so

what?

 

[reptiles]

what?

Monobloc moves nearly the entire thing minus eyes but it moves so in a way it creates the illusion of the 3rd pic

 

[GetThatBread]

Is this necessary? Or can MSE + IMDO + MSDO and FacePulling yield the same results

 

[Deleted member 4054]

Fixed

 

[Deleted member 2846]

yes i have forward grown eyes

 

[Deleted member 3962]

Original unironically looks the best

 

[reptiles]

yes i have forward grown eyes

good then looksmaxing should be easy this method is for those with really bad cranial bases

Is this necessary? Or can MSE + IMDO + MSDO and FacePulling yield the same results

imdo simulates jaw growth and is used in super bi max.

face pulling can yield pretty good results for kids.

mse is very useful for nasal and mouth width.

And msdo is for lateral lengthening of the face.


nearly all mentioned is used minus mse and face pulling.

i think face pulling is the most interesting but it can't be simulated as fast on adults

 

[MandibularCel]

good then looksmaxing should be easy this method is for those with really bad cranial bases




imdo simulates jaw growth and is used in super bi max.

face pulling can yield pretty good results for kids.

mse is very useful for nasal and mouth width.

And msdo is for lateral lengthening of the face.


nearly all mentioned is used minus mse and face pulling.

i think face pulling is the most interesting but it can't be simulated as fast on adults

Bro you're not getting a mod lf4 or whatever this monstrosity is. Not happening.

 

[reptiles]

Bro you're not getting a mod lf4 or whatever this monstrosity is. Not happening.

It is a cope though ngl and it could make me into a half tier chad with ccw rotation why ? it simulates cm forward growth

 

[MandibularCel]

It is a cope though ngl and it could make me into a half tier chad with ccw rotation why ? it simulates cm forward growth

How much would it cost if someone agreed to perform it for you? $80k?

 

[reptiles]

How much would it cost if someone agreed to perform it for you? $80k?

Lets be real super bi max alone costs 52 k the rest probably 50 k each so 152 k roughly brutal

 

[MogTheMogger]

Lets be real super bi max alone costs 52 k the rest probably 50 k each so 152 k roughly brutal

absolute brutal for poorcels, but looks = life

 

[reptiles]

absolute brutal for poorcels, but looks = life

It does tbqh this conversation may be cope tbqh i already know what it takes to fix this shit

 

[GetThatBread]

good then looksmaxing should be easy this method is for those with really bad cranial bases




imdo simulates jaw growth and is used in super bi max.

face pulling can yield pretty good results for kids.

mse is very useful for nasal and mouth width.

And msdo is for lateral lengthening of the face.


nearly all mentioned is used minus mse and face pulling.

i think face pulling is the most interesting but it can't be simulated as fast on adults

I think results can be similar if we can find a way to to anchor CopeAndRopes FacePuller directly to the maxilla (bone borne expansion) after a loosened suture from MSE This pic was MSE + FaceMask and had significant forward growth

 

[reptiles]

I think results can be similar if we can find a way to to anchor CopeAndRopes FacePuller directly to the maxilla. This pic was MSE + FaceMask and had significant forward growth

Could be god tier ascension if true however lets note both are theoretical and this is guaranteed ascension your literally causing forward growth in in all direction minus your cranial base add this with ccw rotation

 

[GetThatBread]

Could be god tier ascension if true however lets note both are theoretical and this is guaranteed ascension your literally causing forward growth in in all direction minus your cranial base add this with ccw rotation

The one I showed was an actual case study from MSE + FM

Case Study 3—MSE and FM for mature patients
Fig. 17 is a 24-year- and 6-month-old patient with significant skeletal disharmony. MSE was applied for non-surgical expansion and FM for distraction-like protraction of loosened maxilla. The preliminary result illustrates significant forward movement of the midface including maxilla and zygoma (Fig. 18). When MSE is successfully applied, all perimaxillary suturesare affected because its expansion force extends to distant areas both posteriorly and superiorly due to its unique features: posterior placement and bi-cortical engagement (Fig. 17). When heavy protraction force is applied to already loosened maxillary complex, the forward movement of maxilla is possible (Fig. 19). This type of movement seems to be different than the growth modification, described above. It is much slower and required heavier force; a protraction force of 1 kg per side was used in this case. Figure 17. A 24-year- and 6-month-old patient with significant skeletal disharmony treated with MSE and FM (white: before treatment; blue: after treatment).

 

[curryslayerordeath]

The one I showed was an actual case study from MSE + FM

Case Study 3—MSE and FM for mature patients
Fig. 17 is a 24-year- and 6-month-old patient with significant skeletal disharmony. MSE was applied for non-surgical expansion and FM for distraction-like protraction of loosened maxilla. The preliminary result illustrates significant forward movement of the midface including maxilla and zygoma (Fig. 18). When MSE is successfully applied, all perimaxillary suturesare affected because its expansion force extends to distant areas both posteriorly and superiorly due to its unique features: posterior placement and bi-cortical engagement (Fig. 17). When heavy protraction force is applied to already loosened maxillary complex, the forward movement of maxilla is possible (Fig. 19). This type of movement seems to be different than the growth modification, described above. It is much slower and required heavier force; a protraction force of 1 kg per side was used in this case. Figure 17. A 24-year- and 6-month-old patient with significant skeletal disharmony treated with MSE and FM (white: before treatment; blue: after treatment).

Damn that is exactly what a lot of us need. Do you have access to the full paper that the case study is from?

 

[GetThatBread]

Damn that is exactly what a lot of us need. Do you have access to the full paper that the case study is from?

Looking for it right now

Damn that is exactly what a lot of us need. Do you have access to the full paper that the case study is from?

Now take into account he didn’t supplement while having a weakened suture and used an old FaceMask. I believe it’ll work even better if you supplement and use Sandra Ks device.

 

[curryslayerordeath]

Looking for it right now

Now take into account he didn’t supplement while having a weakened suture and used an old FaceMask. I believe it’ll work even better if you supplement and use Sandra Ks device.

Yep it seems to have potential. @Golden Glass you seen this case study before?

Yep it seems to have potential. @Golden Glass you seen this case study before?

@GetThatBread here's the paper btw: https://sci-hub.tw/10.1053/j.sodo.2018.01.009

 

[Golden Glass]

Yep it seems to have potential. @Golden Glass you seen this case study before?

Yes I first saw it when first learning about MSE about 10 months ago. It’s very promising, but the MSE ortho I saw was very skeptical of it applying to a wider population that age (he had thought that patient had a very very young “bone age”)

 

[spark]

1st > 3rd

 

[Deleted member 3123]

first mogs

 

[GetThatBread]

Yep it seems to have potential. @Golden Glass you seen this case study before?


@GetThatBread here's the paper btw: https://sci-hub.tw/10.1053/j.sodo.2018.01.009

Is there any studies on SupraOrbital notch increase in any MSE/FM study? This self proclaimed Mew King Astro says eyebrows came forward and this is Rons scan post MSE. The blue indicates the growth he’s gained. Light shades of blue on the supra region. Hopefully unconventional facepulling makes the brow ride more prominent

 

[curryslayerordeath]

Is there any studies on SupraOrbital notch increase in any MSE/FM study? This self proclaimed Mew King Astro says eyebrows came forward and this is Rons scan post MSE. The blue indicates the growth he’s gained. Light shades of blue on the supra region. Hopefully unconventional facepulling makes the brow ride more prominent

I haven't seen anything on that in any studies. I might ask Ronald Ead about that. Imo, AstroSky's brow ridge looks neanderthalish and I highly doubt that his progression is from mewing. Similarly, Salludon's befoe after show huge growth in that area (maybe contributes to his god tier eye area) but again his progression doesn't seem to be from mewing.

 

[GetThatBread]

I haven't seen anything on that in any studies. I might ask Ronald Ead about that. Imo, AstroSky's brow ridge looks neanderthalish and I highly doubt that his progression is from mewing. Similarly, Salludon's befoe after show huge growth in that area (maybe contributes to his god tier eye area) but again his progression doesn't seem to be from mewing.

Definitely ask Ron, I’m going for 12 to maybe 14mm lateral expansion with MSE and MSDO. Ask him does MSDO fully affect the lower jaw/lower third and what is the difference between that and double Jaw aesthetic wise. Here’s a visual evidence on how it’s supposed to play out.

https://looksmax.org/threads/how-to-increase-bigonial-angle-mandible-width.87258/post-1507583

If Mewing alone can affect the brow ridge region then FacePulling in theory could work

 

[Linoob]

Lmfao

Just cut your whole fucking skull in half theory

 

[zeno]

anyone knows if andreischev performs imdo for a super bimax?

 

[Deleted member 2227]

Her nose is the problem, she looks better in the first