free will doesnt exist

[JordanFagget271]

or it comes to a point where it doesnt matter, low iq people will say im wrong or not even understand what i meant

 

[JordanFagget271]

anyone wanna debate?

 

[samgrattlescouilles]

Idk philosophy feels like mental masturbation to me ngl wtf does it change in your life to know if you have free will or not

 

[JordanFagget271]

Idk philosophy feels like mental masturbation to me ngl wtf does it change in your life to know if you have free will or not

to many yes it does change everything for example the belief in god, why would you worship him if you were destined to either be with him or no from the start and you had no power to change it at any point in ur life at all?

 

[registerfasterusing]

I agree jordanfagget. Isnt it odd how we praise free will and yet still relegate our ‘decisions’ to others?

 

[theRetard]

free will and determinism are compatible with each other though

 

[takethewhitepill]

Define your terms. Free will in the classical sense is perfectly sound but the modern idea is more akin to having the free will to grow wings and fly.

 

[Saint.]

or it comes to a point where it doesnt matter, low iq people will say im wrong or not even understand what i meant

I agree to an extent have you heard of the idea that God is in an epistemic distance from us. We have “free will” and God knows our actions but doesn’t interfere because he’s outside space and time but this goes against modern theology.

 

[JordanFagget271]

free will and determinism are compatible with each other though

alr so now we come to what i believe, you are born with a certain personality type, and also talents in everything, some worse than average some better and after that starts determinism which means you never get to choose anything, you cant change anything, whats supposed to happen can happen and theoritically you can know the future if given enough information

 

[JasGews69x]

Ok NPC

 

[JordanFagget271]

I agree to an extent have you heard of the idea that God is in an epistemic distance from us. We have “free will” and God knows our actions but doesn’t interfere because he’s outside space and time but this goes against modern theology.

modern theology is VERY corrupted and full of nonsense

 

[theRetard]

alr so now we come to what i believe, you are born with a certain personality type, and also talents in everything, some worse than average some better and after that starts determinism which means you never get to choose anything, you cant change anything, whats supposed to happen can happen and theoritically you can know the future if given enough information

what determinism starts? because there's logical one and causal

 

[Saint.]

modern theology is VERY corrupted and full of nonsense

I agree with this too. I don’t doubt the existence of God or a higher being however. High Iq post

 

[IrishSlayer1483]

or it comes to a point where it doesnt matter, low iq people will say im wrong or not even understand what i meant

i feel like most people who are intelligent know this by now, the idea has been shown enough to alot of people

 

[JordanFagget271]

Define your terms. Free will in the classical sense is perfectly sound but the modern idea is more akin to having the free will to grow wings and fly.

i mean i expained alr what i think here

alr so now we come to what i believe, you are born with a certain personality type, and also talents in everything, some worse than average some better and after that starts determinism which means you never get to choose anything, you cant change anything, whats supposed to happen can happen and theoritically you can know the future if given enough information

im not sure if its even debatable thats why ive put it out here

 

[JordanFagget271]

i feel like most people who are intelligent know this by now, the idea has been shown enough to alot of people

yeah thats why i said only lowiq people will disagree, anyone who has high iq even if his thought direction was bad before will once presented this type of thinking adopt it instantly

 

[JordanFagget271]

what determinism starts? because there's logical one and causal

explain the difference

 

[takethewhitepill]

i mean i expained alr what i think here

im not sure if its even debatable thats why ive put it out here

No, you didnt. Define free will. You are mostly using equivocation fallacy with others, define your terms so we can discuss them and come to the most accurate conclusion.

 

[Saint.]

I agree with this too. I don’t doubt the existence of God or a higher being however. High Iq post

The only reason I true resonate with the idea of the divine is because evil exists and therefore the opposite must exist. When I refer to evil I mean someone like my nigga Jeffrey Epstein who raped and tortured many children and sacrificed them to Baal and moloch. Those entities cannot exist without a higher power that is “good” in itself

 

[Mainlander]

free will and determinism are compatible with each other though

 

[JordanFagget271]

No, you didnt. Define free will. You are mostly using equivocation fallacy with others, define your terms so we can discuss them and come to the most accurate conclusion.

free will is a choice, you dont have any choice about anything you ever do or even think

 

[samgrattlescouilles]

to many yes it does change everything for example the belief in god, why would you worship him if you were destined to either be with him or no from the start and you had no power to change it at any point in ur life at all?

I dont get what you mean if they didnt have free will they wouldnt be asking this question

 

[IrishSlayer1483]

yeah thats why i said only lowiq people will disagree, anyone who has high iq even if his thought direction was bad before will once presented this type of thinking adopt it instantly

im 130 iq and diagnosed high functioning autistic, when i heard this idea a few years ago and gave it the once over i knew it was the case. it doesnt upset me its comforting to know in my opinion, i do like myself and the pros of my psyche and to know that they arent a result of my environment but these are my character traits built in so to speak makes me glad.

 

[JordanFagget271]

The only reason I true resonate with the idea of the divine is because evil exists and therefore the opposite must exist. When I refer to evil I mean someone like my nigga Jeffrey Epstein who raped and tortured many children and sacrificed them to Baal and moloch. Those entities cannot exist without a higher power that is “good” in itself

morality is subjective this idea of free will being nonexistent hardly supports the idea that good or bad dont exist at all

 

[Klasik616]

According to my dreams free will is an illusion of posibility that comes with the present but quickly vanishes in the future, meaning it's irrational to think determinism is real when you live in the present but irrational to reject it when you remember the past. Free will is just the will and is not free.

 

[theRetard]

explain the difference

logical determinism is an example i say today that the sun will not raise tomorrow then it will it already either true or false and even everything is either true or false
causal determinism is about you are a slave of chain of causes

 

[Saint.]

I dont get what you mean if they didnt have free will they wouldnt be asking this question

Him asking this question was already determined by his past experiences and actions which goes back to his birth

 

[JordanFagget271]

I dont get what you mean if they didnt have free will they wouldnt be asking this question

what? iqcel detected? or im missing something

 

[Saint.]

morality is subjective this idea of free will being nonexistent hardly supports the idea that good or bad dont exist at all

I don’t think morality is truly fully subjective because as a young child you would know the difference between right and wrong unless you had full autism.

 

[Klasik616]

I had a dream where I was able to see the future of everyone, I was living without free will and the world stopped making sense in an individual level. It was depressing as fuck, I wanted to kill myself because everything was already made.

 

[JordanFagget271]

According to my dreams free will is an illusion of posibility that comes with the present but quickly vanishes in the future, meaning it's irrational to think determinism is real when you live in the present but irrational to reject it when you remember the past. Free will is just the will and is not free.

yeah an illusion of possibility

 

[Don Alejo Garza]

Even if free will existed, we don't get to choose the options that will be presented to us.

 

[Mainlander]

No i have free will

I choose to write this rn

see free will

 

[JordanFagget271]

I don’t think morality is truly fully subjective because as a young child you would know the difference between right and wrong unless you had full autism.

im not sure since there were cannibals for example, youd say everyone knows from birth that you shouldnt eat and kill people yet they did exactly that, also many experiments done suggesting morality is FULLY subjective

 

[Klasik616]

No i have free will

I choose to write this rn

see free will

You have power not "free" will.
@theRetard I suggest you learn about theory of power which was popular during the XX century.

 

[JordanFagget271]

logical determinism is an example i say today that the sun will not raise tomorrow then it will it already either true or false and even everything is either true or false
causal determinism is about you are a slave of chain of causes

casual determinism then

 

[theRetard]

I don’t think morality is truly fully subjective because as a young child you would know the difference between right and wrong unless you had full autism.

morality is objective

 

[Saint.]

im not sure since there were cannibals for example, youd say everyone knows from birth that you shouldnt eat and kill people yet they did exactly that, also many experiments done suggesting morality is FULLY subjective

Wouldn’t that be just social conditioning to the child?

 

[theRetard]

casual determinism then

inside chain of causes you can still choose

 

[Saint.]

morality is objective

That’s retarded

 

[JordanFagget271]

morality is objective

im not sure since there were cannibals for example, youd say everyone knows from birth that you shouldnt eat and kill people yet they did exactly that, also many experiments done suggesting morality is FULLY subjective

 

[Saint.]

That’s retarded

Living up to your name JFL

 

[JordanFagget271]

inside chain of causes you can still choose

okay so this is where ur iq ends hoped you would actually change my thinking with where you were going

 

[theRetard]

That’s retarded

why?

 

[JordanFagget271]

Wouldn’t that be just social conditioning to the child?

so is every form of morality

 

[Saint.]

why?

It’s irrational to suggest that morality is objective

 

[Eno]

who gives a shit

 

[theRetard]

It’s irrational to suggest that morality is objective

explain why

 

[JordanFagget271]

who gives a shit

i do

 

[Eno]

i do

why