free will doesnt exist

[GynoGladiator]

I have the free will to goon to highlights, DID NOT READ!

 

[Saint.]

explain why

It’s irrational to claim morality is objective because moral values depend on human emotions, cultural norms, and social contexts. Since there’s no empirical method to prove one moral system as absolutely true over another, morality cannot be objectively grounded.

 

[JordanFagget271]

explain why

what would you even say morality is? its the distinction between right and wrong ur taught ab that based on ur experiences, only rule of morality is you do what you think will give you the most benefits based on information that you have

 

[JordanFagget271]

why

cuz determinism got me to

 

[Klasik616]

I posted this therefore free will exists

 

[JordanFagget271]

I posted this therefore free will exists

good joke

 

[theRetard]

It’s irrational to claim morality is objective because moral values depend on human emotions, cultural norms, and social contexts. Since there’s no empirical method to prove one moral system as absolutely true over another, morality cannot be objectively grounded.

if morality is subjective then i can say that immorality is moral. and can you show me an empirical method that proves that morality should be proved empirically?

 

[theRetard]

what would you even say morality is? its the distinction between right and wrong ur taught ab that based on ur experiences, only rule of morality is you do what you think will give you the most benefits based on information that you have

if morality comes from individual human then he can say that immorality is moral

 

[Saint.]

if morality is subjective then i can say that immorality is moral. and can you show me an empirical method that proves that morality should be proved empirically?

What’s immorality define it

 

[JordanFagget271]

if morality is subjective then i can say that immorality is moral. and can you show me an empirical method that proves that morality should be proved empirically?

bro dont use that complicated words english is not my first language now i have to google empirical

 

[JordanFagget271]

if morality comes from individual human then he can say that immorality is moral

yes

 

[theRetard]

bro dont use that complicated words english is not my first language now i have to google empirical

what's your first language? where are you from?

 

[JordanFagget271]

what's your first language? where are you from?

serbia

 

[theRetard]

yes

but it's contradictory

 

[theRetard]

serbia

we have so many serbians on this forum lol

 

[JordanFagget271]

if morality is subjective then i can say that immorality is moral. and can you show me an empirical method that proves that morality should be proved empirically?

even after googling i dont understand clearly

 

[Klasik616]

bro dont use that complicated words english is not my first language now i have to google empirical

Empirical doesn't mean anything in a casual convo, and the definition depends on the philosophy you're talking about.

 

[JordanFagget271]

we have so many serbians on this forum lol

taking over the world

 

[theRetard]

even after googling i dont understand clearly

empirical means that knowledge should come from experience rather than reason

 

[JordanFagget271]

but it's contradictory

how exactly?

 

[Saint.]

even after googling i dont understand clearly

Empiricism means knowledge gained through experience. For example you gained the knowledge of edging through edging

 

[theRetard]

What’s immorality define it

immorality is evil

 

[theRetard]

how exactly?

immorality can not be moral

 

[Saint.]

immorality is evil

Again define evil what does it mean

 

[Klasik616]

Empiricism means knowledge gained through experience. For example you gained the knowledge of edging through edging

Name something that is not gained through experience.

 

[Saint.]

immorality is evil

For you evil might be doing work on a Saturday for me evil might be jelqing after 6 or 7 pm

 

[theRetard]

Again define evil what does it mean

it's perverted good

 

[Saint.]

Name something that is not gained through experience.

your genes

 

[theRetard]

Name something that is not gained through experience.

that thing should be gained through experience isn't empirically provable

 

[Klasik616]

your genes

Objectual beings are not knowledge. To know about your genes you have to study them empirically with scientific equipment.

 

[irrumator praetor]

or it comes to a point where it doesnt matter, low iq people will say im wrong or not even understand what i meant

Chad believes in yeshu khrestu del rey and fucks and dumps stacy on the side, btw your free will is predetermined so it does exist but its scope and predicted outcome over time is already predetermined. Like, you are gonna influence your fate with your free will, but that too will be predetermined. So actually, you're posing a false dichotomy. Both exist, but its true that predeterminism is a more fundamental principle. Its wrong to assume free will doesn't exist though

 

[JordanFagget271]

if morality is subjective then i can say that immorality is moral. and can you show me an empirical method that proves that morality should be proved empirically?

so ur asking if i can show you a method with which you can experience that morality should be proved by experience? well i said the cannibalism which is like opposite of our morality and its based on their experience

immorality can not be moral

it can if you change ur point of view?

 

[Saint.]

Objectual beings are not knowledge.

You have knowledge of your genes

 

[JordanFagget271]

Chad believes in yeshu khrestu del rey and fucks and dumps stacy on the side, btw your free will is predetermined so it does exist but its scope and predicted outcome over time is already predetermined. Like, you are gonna influence your fate with your free will, but that too will be predetermined. So actually, you're posing a false dichotomy. Both exist, but its true that predeterminism is a more fundamental principle. Its wrong to assume free will doesn't exist though

exactly

 

[Klasik616]

You have knowledge of your genes

Rational knowledge means something that is not learned during life but is already known (a priori). I disagree something like this exists, it's impossible. Anything you know is learned through experience, water. It's the time of your existence. If someone claims they know something that is outside their memory, they're lying.

 

[theRetard]

so ur asking if i can show you a method with which you can experience that morality should be proved by experience? well i said the cannibalism which is like opposite of our morality and its based on their experience

no i asked another guy for that. also you just haven't understand my take

it can if you change ur point of view?

i can change my point, just show me how immorality can be moral?

 

[cursedpaki19]

or it comes to a point where it doesnt matter, low iq people will say im wrong or not even understand what i meant

Im gonna use my free will to call you a faggot nigger

 

[theRetard]

Rational knowledge means something that is not learned during life but is already known (a priori). I disagree something like this exists, it's impossible. Anything you know is learned through experience, water.

no.

 

[JordanFagget271]

no i asked another guy for that. also you just haven't understand my take

i can change my point, just show me how immorality can be moral?

well immorality doesnt exist objectively so its not easy to answer this question tho i personaly believe someone is moral if he thinks hes moral and vice versa

 

[JordanFagget271]

well immorality doesnt exist objectively so its not easy to answer this question tho i personaly believe someone is moral if he thinks hes moral and vice versa

i recon you didnt mean as how can something that was once moral to you become immoral later or the other way around as thats very lowiq

 

[theRetard]

well immorality doesnt exist objectively so its not easy to answer this question tho i personaly believe someone is moral if he thinks hes moral and vice versa

no, anything you can think about objectively exists include morality and immorality

 

[JordanFagget271]

no, anything you can think about objectively exists include morality and immorality

yeah but the thing with morality is that the objective morality equals subjective morality

 

[theRetard]

yeah but the thing with morality is that the objective morality equals subjective morality

but morality is not subjective

 

[JordanFagget271]

no, anything you can think about objectively exists include morality and immorality

tho i agree then

yeah but the thing with morality is that the objective morality equals subjective morality

 

[Klasik616]

no, anything you can think about objectively exists include morality and immorality

Petitio principii fallacy. Not all thoughts are correct or true just because they're thoughts.

 

[theRetard]

@Klasik616 why do you think that knowledge comes from experience rather than reason?

 

[theRetard]

Petitio principii fallacy. Not all thoughts are correct or true.

why is that petitio principii? i haven't said that all thoguhts are correct or true

 

[JordanFagget271]

but morality is not subjective

but what is objective about it if its shaped by social norms ur morality isnt same as mine morality is literally what you see as right and what you see as wrong, or good and evil same thing and that is shaped only by experiences and by ur answer to those experiences and ur very first answer is determined by what i already talked about personality and talents so free will doesnt exist therefore no thoughts really come from you therefore morales also come from outside which implies that ur not born with them and that you develop morales based on experience why do you have to complicate it that much

 

[Klasik616]

@Klasik616 why do you think that knowledge comes from experience rather than reason?

Because understanding is infinite and beings don't have a finite understanding, if rationalism was true all knowledge would not change. The character of infinite knowledge comes from the experience of the world which is infinite. Language is also infinite and can't "catch" the essence of the object with just a thought (if something like an essence exists, it's more about qualities), this explains why you can change your mind about a certain subject you thought was "true" in a particular moment. I know this is anti-realist and I don't care.

 

[theRetard]

but what is objective about it if its shaped by social norms ur morality isnt same as mine morality is literally what you see as right and what you see as wrong, or good and evil same thing and that is shaped only by experiences and by ur answer to those experiences and ur very first answer is determined

if we, or different societies have different norms it just means that some of them, or all of them are wrong. morality exists independently from humans

by what i already talked about personality and talents so free will doesnt exist therefore no thoughts really come from you therefore morales also come from outside which implies that ur not born with them and that you develop morales based on experience why do you have to complicate it that much

you said yourself here that morals comes from outside which means it is objective. also yeah your thoughts do not come from you but only because your thoughts are already YOUR SELF