Genetics vs environment debate

[Lux]

Genetics and environment are both significant (controversial ik). One doesn’t necessarily negate the other rather they feed into each other. After reading arguments from geneticist and environmental perspectives you find both are equally valid.

I highly recommend Generative Energy: Restoring the Wholeness of Life, by Ray Peat & She Has Her Mother's Laugh by Carl Zimmer for in depth and somewhat contrasting perspectives.

 

[Deleted member 40621]

Also read the books:

"Pottenger's Cats: A Study in Nutrition" by Francis M. Pottenger Jr &
"Nutrition and Physical Degeneration" by Weston A Price

Both these books show how an optimal diet high in certain nutrients ( D3, retinol, k2 and many more) is needed to create Chad sons and malnourishment or suboptimal diet when in the womb causes children to become ugly.

 

[Deleted member 23558]

Also read the books:

"Pottenger's Cats: A Study in Nutrition" by Francis M. Pottenger Jr &
"Nutrition and Physical Degeneration" by Weston A Price

Both these books show how an optimal diet high in certain nutrients ( D3, retinol, k2 and many more) is needed to create Chad sons and malnourishment or suboptimal diet when in the womb causes children to become ugly.

Retinol is cooopppeeeeee.

 

[incel194012940]

genes don't exist

//RAY PEATY

 

[IAMNOTANINCEL]

I highly recommend Generative Energy: Restoring the Wholeness of Life, by Ray Peat & She Has Her Mother's Laugh by Carl Zimmer for in depth and somewhat contrasting perspectives.

Summary please

 

[Deleted member 40621]

Summary please

Dr Ray Peat Bhai.

 

[Deleted member 40621]

genes don't exist

//RAY PEATY

Here is something that ray peat said that I find quite interesting (cant find the source but I remember the quote )

He said that "racist geneticist" are wrong because they believe that black people are dumb become of genes but Ray Peat believes that IQ is plastic and that you need :glucose, hormones and stimulating life in order to get a high iq.

 

[Deleted member 40621]

Genes Do NOT Matter (much)

Hi all, As you know Ray Peat is a very ardent critic of the current theory of evolution and its poster child the "modern theory of genetics". In his words - "nothing is set in stone, only a physiological state is passed on". I personally agree with Peat based on many years of experience living...

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Every Gene Affects Every Trait, So Personalized/genomic Medicine Is Doomed

As one of the article says, there has been a boom in the so-called genome-wide association studies over the last decade. However, these studies have resulted in no reliable leads for genetic causes of disease. A new study at Stanford suggests that the reason this is so is that in fact ALL genes...

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Dads Pass On More Than Genetics In Their Sperm

Another good study showing that our lifestyle choices directly affect our future children, despite what the morons in white coats keeps repeating. It has been known for years that dads in poorer health tend to beget more sickly children but the explanation had always been genetic - i.e. the dad...

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Epigenetic Changes Can Be Passed Down For At Least 14 Generations

The phenomenon of inheritance is a solidly established fact in medicine. The fact that having relatives who had chronic disease increases one's own risk for developing those diseases is one of the main arguments of the pro-genetic crowd given as a reason to pursue genetic explanation of...

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Genetic Entropy - Can Random Mutations And Selection Create Information?

Genetic Entropy was written by John Sanford, a plant biologist who worked at Cornell University. Before his more recent writings Sanford was famous for patenting the "gene therapy gun" that has allowed scientists to create GMOs. (Obviously, now we know this was not a very good idea but the...

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Evolution may be reversible

Not quite like Peat's writing of unscrambling an egg but it does touch upon some of the same ideas. http://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-n ... 4/?&no-ist

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The Third Way Of Evolution

Cool site supporting recent finding debunking neo-darwinism Home | The Third Way of Evolution "The vast majority of people believe that there are only two alternative ways to explain the origins of biological diversity. One way is Creationism that depends upon intervention by a divine Creator...

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There's No Such Thing As Species

I've been meaning to write a series of articles for a while about the emergent nature of life, and how every living creature is really just an individual expression of a singular life process. This is the first post I've written to broach this issue—feedback welcome...

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Children Inherit Mitochondrial DNA From Their Fathers Too

One of the unquestionable dogmas of genetics (up until) today is that all mitochondrial DNA of a child is inherited strictly from the mother. This firmly entrenched belief is taught as an immutable truth in medical schools and is used to justify extensive genealogical genomic tests down the...

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[NordicLeonhard]

 

[anthony111553]

"I highly recommend Generative Energy: Restoring the Wholeness of Life, by Ray Peat & She Has Her Mother's Laugh by Carl Zimmer for in depth and somewhat contrasting perspectives."

 

[Embryo]

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[Deleted member 54067]

Genetics and environment are both significant (controversial ik). One doesn’t necessarily negate the other rather they feed into each other. After reading arguments from geneticist and environmental perspectives you find both are equally valid.

I highly recommend Generative Energy: Restoring the Wholeness of Life, by Ray Peat & She Has Her Mother's Laugh by Carl Zimmer for in depth and somewhat contrasting perspectives.

someone can make the argument looks are genetic
but when it comes to life quality, environment >>> anything else

 

[NordicLeonhard]

I luv funee monkee

Just like your avi!

 

[anthony111553]

someone can make the argument looks are genetic
but when it comes to life quality, environment >>> anything else

agreed most normies can live great life, even if they get cheated on beacuse they were never starving for pussy they never made it a top priority of theyre's.

 

[JCaesar]

someone can make the argument looks are genetic
but when it comes to life quality, environment >>> anything else

Looks are all dependant on environment. The only things least affected by it are your pheno and to an extent your eye area (which can still be very altered by environment)

 

[klip11]

Genes are your blueprint, but environment can determine whether or not you develop to your optimal genetic blueprint. For example, it is well known that excessive stress during childhood, especially the first 5 years of life can affect your height and facial symmetry. Genetically, the optimal design of the human face is to be symmetrical, but that depends on developing in a relaxed environment.

Also, stress produces cortisol which can hinder bone development over time. So if you develop in a stressful environment, you may end up shorter than what your genes would have otherwise dictated

 

[Deleted member 54067]

Looks are all dependant on environment. The only things least affected by it are your pheno and to an extent your eye area (which can still be very altered by environment)

but how would you explain ugly NTfags? im not saying their life is bad at all obviously, but some are ugly even though they always had good environment, i still think environment > all

 

[JCaesar]

Here is something that ray peat said that I find quite interesting (cant find the source but I remember the quote )

He said that "racist geneticist" are wrong because they believe that black people are dumb become of genes but Ray Peat believes that IQ is plastic and that you need :glucose, hormones and stimulating life in order to get a high iq.

Of coure IQ is plastic but that doesn't mean your genes won't determine how far it can go. Why wouldn't all south asians be ultra high IQ geniuses if it was all environmental?

 

[JCaesar]

but how would you explain ugly NTfags? im not saying their life is bad at all obviously, but some are ugly even though they always had good environment, i still think environment > all

What makes you think NTfags would have ideal environment? Of course most of them might have a stable family and a good nutrition (kind of considering how most are also vegetables and microplastics enthusiasts), but that doesn't mean they also properly chewed hard food throughout their development, kept their tongue at the roof of their mouth, were physically active without body imbalances etc.

Case illustrated being many NTfags have had to use braces sometime in their life, with that tendency increasing even more in recent years, meaning something in their development went wrong.

 

[DR. NICKGA]

if you see all proof and all thiingsss cleaaarly

then its not got gene but more like bacteria , we are little animaaaals together

 

[Deleted member 184500]

Genetics and environment are both significant (controversial ik). One doesn’t necessarily negate the other rather they feed into each other. After reading arguments from geneticist and environmental perspectives you find both are equally valid.

I highly recommend Generative Energy: Restoring the Wholeness of Life, by Ray Peat & She Has Her Mother's Laugh by Carl Zimmer for in depth and somewhat contrasting perspectives.

For me, genetics should be seen like the Potter study, where some humans have ancestors who ate more animal products than others, which makes them superior. For me, that's what it means to have better genetics, and that's what matters most. Because even when malnourished, they will reach their full potential.

A classic example: Richard Ramirez.

A smoker, drug user, and grain and sugar eater, he makes up 99.99% of the current population.

 

[kwjqxlw99]

Microplastics and EDCs are to blame for everything.

Men used to look much more masculine and had better bones in the 40s,50s,60s etc and yet most were malnourished peasants, worked like horses from young age, only ate canned food once or twice a day, 4-6h of sleep on average and it didn't stop the average guy from having good bones and overall masculine features. Now you have 14 year olds already optimizing their health, eating 200g of protein, sleeping 8 hours, doing maasai jumps like retards, busting their ass in the gym 24/7 only to still look recessed subhumans and stay feminine in their 30s....

 

[134applesauce456]

For me, genetics should be seen like the Potter study, where some humans have ancestors who ate more animal products than others, which makes them superior. For me, that's what it means to have better genetics, and that's what matters most. Because even when malnourished, they will reach their full potential.

A classic example: Richard Ramirez.

A smoker, drug user, and grain and sugar eater, he makes up 99.99% of the current population.

Microplastics and EDCs are to blame for everything.

Men used to look much more masculine and had better bones in the 40s,50s,60s etc and yet most were malnourished peasants, worked like horses from young age, only ate canned food once or twice a day, 4-6h of sleep on average and it didn't stop the average guy from having good bones and overall masculine features. Now you have 14 year olds already optimizing their health, eating 200g of protein, sleeping 8 hours, doing maasai jumps like retards, busting their ass in the gym 24/7 only to still look recessed subhumans and stay feminine in their 30s....

Dec 16, 2023

 

[Deleted member 65664]

For me, genetics should be seen like the Potter study, where some humans have ancestors who ate more animal products than others, which makes them superior. For me, that's what it means to have better genetics, and that's what matters most. Because even when malnourished, they will reach their full potential.

A classic example: Richard Ramirez.

A smoker, drug user, and grain and sugar eater, he makes up 99.99% of the current population.

Microplastics and EDCs are to blame for everything.

Men used to look much more masculine and had better bones in the 40s,50s,60s etc and yet most were malnourished peasants, worked like horses from young age, only ate canned food once or twice a day, 4-6h of sleep on average and it didn't stop the average guy from having good bones and overall masculine features. Now you have 14 year olds already optimizing their health, eating 200g of protein, sleeping 8 hours, doing maasai jumps like retards, busting their ass in the gym 24/7 only to still look recessed subhumans and stay feminine in their 30s....

Why are you retards recycling threads back from 2023

 

[STALKER1]

Microplastics and EDCs are to blame for everything.

Men used to look much more masculine and had better bones in the 40s,50s,60s etc and yet most were malnourished peasants, worked like horses from young age, only ate canned food once or twice a day, 4-6h of sleep on average and it didn't stop the average guy from having good bones and overall masculine features. Now you have 14 year olds already optimizing their health, eating 200g of protein, sleeping 8 hours, doing maasai jumps like retards, busting their ass in the gym 24/7 only to still look recessed subhumans and stay feminine in their 30s....

yep its all about environment, my grandpa mogged my dad to oblivion but i also mog my dad to dharavi slums and back, he doesnt even look human compared to me yet his life went a million times better than mine, im a model compared to him yet cant get a hug from an obese black single mom

genetics are for extremes like disabled down syndromes, besides them environment, upbringing and location determines everything about your life