Gonial/jaw implants is the shittiest surgery

[Lefor3Laser]

It's well known. Have you seen middle aged women and Simon Cowell?

I mean, those are middle aged, people actually dramatically say that fillers migration has a big chance while it isn't in this case, only time it could easily migrate are the first 2 weeks, when you sleep on one side of your face, hot showers and so on, but everything else is safer after the 2 weeks.

 

[ssxjdgh]

I mean, those are middle aged, people actually dramatically say that fillers migration has a big chance while it isn't in this case, only time it could easily migrate are the first 2 weeks, when you sleep on one side of your face, hot showers and so on, but everything else is safer after the 2 weeks.

So wtf happened to their faces then?

 

[Kuros]

All result i have seen from it and even irl experience when i did my surgery was extremly bad. It just never looks neither natural or good. I have seen like 10+ giant result, 4-5 ram result and 6 pag result. Also a few on the internet, and i have never seen one good or even half decent result thats even remotely close too an average jaw with decent width. Most of the times it litteraly descended them to the ground. And the ones i have seen irl looks absolutely awful and uncanny even because the jaw doesnt look normal. Most good looking jaws comes mostly from the muscle insertions and the size of it. Jaw implants litteraly destroys the muscle or it is attached not even remotely the same. In worst case you get dehiscence and get some weird bump and muscle slid up and shit.

Absolute scam surgery, never touch ever unless you have the worst jaw in human history or can grow a beard over it

yeah because they most likely use silicon not PEEK or PEKK, which are custom fitted and cost more, check out this guy HE ALSO HAS SOME OTHER GOOD VIDEOS SHOWCASING SOMEONE IMPLANDS spoiler mf got everything supras zygos and gonial

 

[nishka]

best implants imo are inframalar and chin, easy ascension, they’re cheap and there are no muscles to mess with there unlike gonion and supras

What do you think of infraorbital malar implants, which have which are both infraorbital and malar in the same kind of thing? I'm considering getting those. Too risky?

 

[jester]

What do you think of infraorbital malar implants, which have which are both infraorbital and malar in the same kind of thing? I'm considering getting those. Too risky?

nah it’s better if you have hollowness on the outside of the eye aswell and your zygos aren’t too pronounced ig
idk much try asking @lurking truecel

 

[whiteissuperior]

ive seen a lot of bad angle results in the surgery server too - most get dehiscence. what do you recommend for short ramus height pppl like myself?

 

[whiteissuperior]

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I havd a short ramus so i def getting jaw implants

Also all these look insanely mogger

My mega folder of before/after surgery transformations

looksmax.org

devils advocate: BGM has just been rocking with jaw fillers for years. Im looking for short ramus solution too, debating getting angles with my bmax next year or not.

 

[nishka]

yeah because they most likely use silicon not PEEK or PEKK, which are custom fitted and cost more, check out this guy HE ALSO HAS SOME OTHER GOOD VIDEOS SHOWCASING SOMEONE IMPLANDS spoiler mf got everything supras zygos and gonial

I didn't see any supras, just inf infraorbitals, chin implant and gonians.

 

[Kuros]

I didn't see any supras, just inf infraorbitals, chin implant and gonians.

That is in another video, here you go bro

 

[Lefor3Laser]

So wtf happened to their faces then?

Over injecting, soft tissue becomes different as you age, bad injectors and the 2 weeks rule wherr you shouldn't do x, y and z.

It's much better and cheaper to get fillers rather than get implants (if you got a relative or a close friend who doesn't take money for injections but only the filler).

I did mine for only 200 euros, very cheap compared to 700-1000 euros.

 

[ssxjdgh]

Over injecting, soft tissue becomes different as you age, bad injectors and the 2 weeks rule wherr you shouldn't do x, y and z.

It's much better and cheaper to get fillers rather than get implants (if you got a relative or a close friend who doesn't take money for injections but only the filler).

I did mine for only 200 euros, very cheap compared to 700-1000 euros.

You do your friends filler?

 

[sdram4]

All result i have seen from it and even irl experience when i did my surgery was extremly bad. It just never looks neither natural or good. I have seen like 10+ giant result, 4-5 ram result and 6 pag result. Also a few on the internet, and i have never seen one good or even half decent result thats even remotely close too an average jaw with decent width. Most of the times it litteraly descended them to the ground. And the ones i have seen irl looks absolutely awful and uncanny even because the jaw doesnt look normal. Most good looking jaws comes mostly from the muscle insertions and the size of it. Jaw implants litteraly destroys the muscle or it is attached not even remotely the same. In worst case you get dehiscence and get some weird bump and muscle slid up and shit.

Absolute scam surgery, never touch ever unless you have the worst jaw in human history or can grow a beard over it

people overdo surgery and it looks like a pyramid sticking out of your gonian

 

[ssxjdgh]

people overdo surgery and it looks like a pyramid sticking out of your gonian

100% I'm still searching for a nice implant

 

[lurking truecel]

people overdo surgery and it looks like a pyramid sticking out of your gonian

Nah its not like that, its just a bad surgery for several reasons

 

[lurking truecel]

100% I'm still searching for a nice implant

Your research will do zero, because even conservative ones looks shit, jaw implant is a trash Surgery

 

[ssxjdgh]

Your research will do zero, because even conservative ones looks shit, jaw implant is a trash Surgery

Whats the solution then: ccw or something?

 

[lurking truecel]

Whats the solution then: ccw or something?

Fillers because you have no other choice.

 

[ssxjdgh]

Fillers because you have no other choice.

I can get tri max

 

[lurking truecel]

I can get tri max

It wont do anything for width almost, or height

 

[ssxjdgh]

It wont do anything for width almost, or height

jaw widening

 

[Lefor3Laser]

You do your friends filler?

Not really, i got my fillers done by my female cousin (she works with those stuff).

 

[lurking truecel]

jaw widening

Great way to cope for nothing lol

 

[ssxjdgh]

Great way to cope for nothing lol

 

[lurking truecel]

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Jaw surgery elongates the jaw yes

 

[ssxjdgh]

Jaw surgery elongates the jaw yes

Are you sure it doesn't make it appear wider from the front?

 

[it_will_begin]

Pag and Ramieri are both surgeons who offer implants to have a commercial advantage. They don’t truly understand facial implants.

How one of the best italian maxillofacial surgeon don't understand facial implants?

I would only trust two surgeons with jaw implants. You would not have heard of either. One told me dehiscence is almost never a problem among his patients. He explained to me how he avoids this from happening (which might involve detaching the masseter???) I’m not sure as I was too low IQ to understand.

Surgeons who don’t truly understand implants have accepted these complications as a fact of life, while there are other surgeons who have developed techniques for proper implant placement. Facial implants is not a massive academic sphere of interest so these techniques are less likely to spread through conferences and courses etc.

and who are these "2 surgeons" that we have never heard of, what do they do differently from Ram & Giant?

the size, shape or design? we already have porous implants with Giant and dense with Ram
the placement? this is always under the periosteum right?

Please don't gatekeep, i have a consultation with Ram on march and I need to know what I'm getting into... ty

 

[lurking truecel]

Are you sure it doesn't make it appear wider from the front?

Often makes it appear less wide. Not in actual measurement though

 

[avenox]

You’re probably right tbh, which is suifuel cus I wanted small jaw angle implants with my trimax.

Maybe ramus widening then? Thoughts? I heard it can just relapse though, and won’t offer much widening.

But tbh, I would rather have slightly more narrow jaw, without complications, than some weird looking fucked up masseter with implants.

Ramus widening? Mind explaining more?

 

[avenox]

Yea 100%, jaw widening is worth a try and can be decently stable with custom plates. Def 1000% more worth then jaw implants

How does jaw widening work?

 

[lurking truecel]

How does jaw widening work?

You do bsso cut, rotate the condyles(the bone that connect with your jaw joint) then the gonions come out 5 mm or less. Then you out titanium plates to make it stay in that place. Its not possible to do much its a bit risky for the joint itself. It does something but not much

 

[avenox]

You do bsso cut, rotate the condyles(the bone that connect with your jaw joint) then the gonions come out 5 mm or less. Then you out titanium plates to make it stay in that place. Its not possible to do much its a bit risky for the joint itself. It does something but not much

Is jaw widening the proper name for the surgery or? I want to look into it moee

 

[tweaqo]

Is jaw widening the proper name for the surgery or? I want to look into it moee

It’s just a customised BSSO really. Just instead of only advancing forward , they also widen the gonions too with custom plates

 

[ssxjdgh]

Often makes it appear less wide. Not in actual measurement though

That doesn't even make sense

 

[DonaldJTrump]

Rip lurking truecel. He got banned?

 

[RazerGlazer]

No they dont its just that its a shit surgery. If you just get a small implant you will only destroy the muscle and you might even make your jaw more narrow. The whole thing and why implants sucks is that you the widest part will be the plastic/titanium part not your muscles anymore because those are fucked over so much. Absolutely scam surgery, pag doesnt even do it anymore because he knows its botches people so much. Sure if you are deformed you could consider it but else nah. Its gonna looksmin ya to the ground and back

I was able to correct it with an external incision

 

[DonaldJTrump]

I thought this one from rameiri using implant plate hybrid looked good. There’s a vid of this guy talking in motion too

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Show before and after vids?

 

[DonaldJTrump]

Filler for gonions for sure, just have enough money to routinely dissolve and replace

How do u lower gonial angle and lengthen ramus

Natural result wich is also good, few users here have seen it.

Did 4.4ml, 2.2ml on each side (gonions and the body of the jaw but not chin).

How do you lower gonial angle

 

[DonaldJTrump]

Pag and Ramieri are both surgeons who offer implants to have a commercial advantage. They don’t truly understand facial implants.

In America, Eppley is still stuck coping with Silicon. And players like Dhir have decided to start advertising implants despite being clueless about them.

Especially with Giant patients in Turkey and with Pagnoni, I have heard about infection, misplacement, dehiscence and revision after revision.

Someone I know was told by Giant that jaw implants is a meme surgery and almost every case seems to get dehiscence.

I agree it is more plausible that jaw implants as a procedure are to blame than to say all of the aforementioned people are clueless about implants. But that is what I genuinely think.

I would only trust two surgeons with jaw implants. You would not have heard of either. One told me dehiscence is almost never a problem among his patients. He explained to me how he avoids this from happening (which might involve detaching the masseter???) I’m not sure as I was too low IQ to understand.

Surgeons who don’t truly understand implants have accepted these complications as a fact of life, while there are other surgeons who have developed techniques for proper implant placement. Facial implants is not a massive academic sphere of interest so these techniques are less likely to spread through conferences and courses etc.

In general you are right that it is a shitty procedure if you go with 99% of surgeons. But there is that 1%.

Pagnoni and Ramieri are not popular because they are the best in the world. They are just capable surgeons who seemed to have spread by word of mouth on the internet. Capable at bimax, but certainly not implants

Isnt clavicular getting jaw implants from giant? If giant didnt think they were good, he wouldnt allow clav to get jaw implants

 

[wardprowse]

You can do that, i had my gonions invisible, did fillers and it looks natural so yes you can.

Im planning on doing this, any tips?

 

[Lefor3Laser]

How do u lower gonial angle and lengthen ramus

How do you lower gonial angle

Realistically, it's extremely hard without any complications and such.

There is a procedure where they cut the ramus in half and lower it, but takin into consideration the nerves and muscles, that's where the problem is.

 

[Lefor3Laser]

Im planning on doing this, any tips?

Don't do alot, get a good injector, do not touch, eat hard food, hot showers and so on for 2 weeks.

That's what i would recommend.

 

[wardprowse]

Don't do alot, get a good injector, do not touch, eat hard food, hot showers and so on for 2 weeks.

That's what i would recommend.

thanks, so like 1-2 ml overall?

 

[Lefor3Laser]

thanks, so like 1-2 ml overall?

Depends, for me 4.4 ml did the trick (in total).

 

[wardprowse]

Depends, for me 4.4 ml did the trick (in total).

if you dont mind me asking where and how did you get it injected specifically and were any of your family/ friends suspecting you of having work done or did they just say you looked better without any suspicions?

 

[salvation]

One problem I see with ramus widening is that while it makes your jaw wider, it doesn't add mass on the bottom of the gonions.

Look here how there is just a bit of bone sticking outwards on each sides.

A user on here got ramus widening (taken from a different thread):

An Eppley implant (not necessarily the best choice, but good enough for a comparison):

Notice how instead of going straight up it kind of curls inward. It's similar to the first pic. Obviously not trying to shit on the user's result or whatever, just saying that I think ramus widening only makes your jaw "bulkier" but doesn't really add that definition most people here want. That is, unless I am missing something. Any input on this? If you have a narrow jaw and want something better it seems like a decent deal (provided you don't end up having issues) but if you already have a decent jaw and just want some gonion eversion I feel like it may not be what we're looking for. Although maybe I am really just missing something. Relapse + potential TMJ issues speak against the procedure, but on the other hand you have no implant inside which means no risk of infection and on top of that no risk of masseter dehiscence.

 

[ltn_looksminner]

One problem I see with ramus widening is that while it makes your jaw wider, it doesn't add mass on the bottom of the gonions.
View attachment 4579931 Look here how there is just a bit of bone sticking outwards on each sides.

A user on here got ramus widening (taken from a different thread):

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An Eppley implant (not necessarily the best choice, but good enough for a comparison):
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Notice how instead of going straight up it kind of curls inward. It's similar to the first pic. Obviously not trying to shit on the user's result or whatever, just saying that I think ramus widening only makes your jaw "bulkier" but doesn't really add that definition most people here want. That is, unless I am missing something. Any input on this? If you have a narrow jaw and want something better it seems like a decent deal (provided you don't end up having issues) but if you already have a decent jaw and just want some gonial eversion I feel like it may not be what you're looking for.

Yeah makes sense