Gonial/jaw implants is the shittiest surgery

[Resistance.]

I mean it widens the chin the most. And yea i have not seen many results. And the process is horrid

So, does this surgery only widen the tip of the chin? I've read that it automatically widens the lower jaw laterally as well.

 

[lurking truecel]

So, does this surgery only widen the tip of the chin? I've read that it automatically widens the lower jaw laterally as well.

Yea ofc but the gonion area i am not to sure

 

[clearness.]

All result i have seen from it and even irl experience when i did my surgery was extremly bad. It just never looks neither natural or good. I have seen like 10+ giant result, 4-5 ram result and 6 pag result. Also a few on the internet, and i have never seen one good or even half decent result thats even remotely close too an average jaw with decent width. Most of the times it litteraly descended them to the ground. And the ones i have seen irl looks absolutely awful and uncanny even because the jaw doesnt look normal. Most good looking jaws comes mostly from the muscle insertions and the size of it. Jaw implants litteraly destroys the muscle or it is attached not even remotely the same. In worst case you get dehiscence and get some weird bump and muscle slid up and shit.

Absolute scam surgery, never touch ever unless you have the worst jaw in human history or can grow a beard over it

So what even if you were considerably right to most causes which I completely disagree with what will you do? Just have a shitty rat jaw? No.

 

[pump410]

The width of my gonions is ok but the problem is that they are too high in relation to my chin because of the bad rotation of my maxilla. It makes my face look too V-shaped from the front.

A trimax with ccw rotation can be enough to significantly lower the gonions and give a wider jaw from the front in my case?

 

[lurking truecel]

So what even if you were considerably right to most causes which I completely disagree with what will you do? Just have a shitty rat jaw? No.

Rather have a rat jaw

 

[lurking truecel]

The width of my gonions is ok but the problem is that they are too high in relation to my chin because of the bad rotation of my maxilla. It makes my face look too V-shaped from the front.

A trimax with ccw rotation can be enough to significantly lower the gonions and give a wider jaw from the front in my case?

V shaped is ideal little moron

 

[tweaqo]

Truecel are you criticizing more of the implants that mainly aim to flare out the gonions or just jaw implants in general that instead of adding width to the gonions they just make the mandible look like it has more bone mass.

This case from Ramieri didn’t use implants to necessarily flare out the gonions unlike his other implate case. instead it just added more definition since it imitates there being more bone.

I’m asking because Ramieri is starting to offer “mcw implate” which is another implant/bsso plate hybrid except mcw will cover more of the mandible so there is no step off. Which I would imagine would give similar results to the photo I posted, now ofcourse those results aren’t in motion so we don’t know exactly but the result look very good imo.

after I’m done with ortho Ramieri and I will come up with a design plan for implants and now I’m not exactly sure what I I should choose. I definitely do want some jaw implants although it’s mostly to even out my jaw symmetry and add some slight definition. I’m definitely going to ask for very conservative measurements, but don’t know if I should ask for mcw (such as in the photo) or his other implate technique that from what I’ve seen mostly just flares out the onions and adds ramus height. I want to choose the safest option. Which one do you think is safer?

@tweaqo

Interesting.

I will talk with Ramieri about this

 

[moltisantichincel]

Interesting.

I will talk with Ramieri about this

Tbh I’m going to ask him for the most conservative mcw movements, ones that only slightly flare out the gonions

 

[Whirr22222]

The only guy who does it got his license taken away cos he was nuts

While it may be a difficult process, at least it looks pretty natural. What do you think?

 

[DonaldJTrump]

All result i have seen from it and even irl experience when i did my surgery was extremly bad. It just never looks neither natural or good. I have seen like 10+ giant result, 4-5 ram result and 6 pag result. Also a few on the internet, and i have never seen one good or even half decent result thats even remotely close too an average jaw with decent width. Most of the times it litteraly descended them to the ground. And the ones i have seen irl looks absolutely awful and uncanny even because the jaw doesnt look normal. Most good looking jaws comes mostly from the muscle insertions and the size of it. Jaw implants litteraly destroys the muscle or it is attached not even remotely the same. In worst case you get dehiscence and get some weird bump and muscle slid up and shit.

Absolute scam surgery, never touch ever unless you have the worst jaw in human history or can grow a beard over it

What do you think of jaw fillers? i've believed for a while now that jaw filler mog, of course there are downsides too but it's better than fucking up your jaw with an uncanny ass implant..

 

[lurking truecel]

What do you think of jaw fillers? i've believed for a while now that jaw filler mog, of course there are downsides too but it's better than fucking up your jaw with an uncanny ass implant..

Yes its good

 

[Mr.Proper]

Yes its good

What about bone resorption and possible migration?

 

[m0ss26]

Not a fan of implants in general. Although I have seen some good results

 

[william.]

Not a fan of implants in general. Although I have seen some good results

thoughts on saddled infra implants?

 

[Whirr22222]

What about bone resorption and possible migration?

From what ive seen its about what supports it. So chin filler is least likely to migrate because theres a bony structure under it. But jaw filler will migrate bad probably, and into the most unideal area the submental.

 

[zaebalsya]

What about chin wing? I don't know much about chin wing but I've heard that it can replace

 

[Mr.Proper]

So chin filler is least likely to migrate because theres a bony structure under it

Cases of bone resorption in case of fillers were described for the chin fillers first, perhaps, due it muscles there being movable with facial expressions. In theory, gonial fillers done on bone may last long yet there is also a movable part...

 

[Whirr22222]

Cases of bone resorption in case of fillers were described for the chin fillers first, perhaps, due it muscles there being movable with facial expressions. In theory, gonial fillers done on bone may last long yet there is also a movable part...

Personally I would just never ever get them because they arent permanent, just doesnt make sense to get.

 

[lurking truecel]

What about bone resorption and possible migration?

You can get bone resorption from filler but jaw implants also for sure

 

[Whirr22222]

You can get bone resorption from filler but jaw implants also for sure

U have actually blackpilled me on jaw implants with this thread, even though i kinda always knew it on the back of my mind lol. Brutal.

 

[Mr.Proper]

You can get bone resorption from filler but jaw implants also for sure

There is probably less risk of resorptions if implants are made from bone-like material and additionally fixed.

 

[Lefor3Laser]

What do you think of jaw fillers? i've believed for a while now that jaw filler mog, of course there are downsides too but it's better than fucking up your jaw with an uncanny ass implant..

I did it almost a week ago, looks natural asf, would recommend them before implants or you can go a long time only with fillers.

 

[Lefor3Laser]

What about bone resorption and possible migration?

Migration happens if you do not follow few rules, basically living a shitty lifestyle.

 

[DonaldJTrump]

Migration happens if you do not follow few rules, basically living a shitty lifestyle.

What are these rules?

Yes its good

What do you think of tom cruise’s ascension? It seems like he probably got a jaw implant and he still ascended insanely hard. One of the few examples of a jaw implant done right imo.

 

[lurking truecel]

What are these rules?

What do you think of tom cruise’s ascension? It seems like he probably got a jaw implant and he still ascended insanely hard. One of the few examples of a jaw implant done right imo.

Hard to say what tom cruise did. I wish it was a jaw implant but its probably a long shot considering the time he got it(1984 or sum) that he would get such good result without implant show. Could just be masseter hypertrophy

 

[Lefor3Laser]

What are these rules?

Natural result wich is also good, few users here have seen it.

Did 4.4ml, 2.2ml on each side (gonions and the body of the jaw but not chin).

 

[Idr1s]

So chin wing is a good alternative ?
Since it lakes a better gonial angle by lowering the ramus and widen the jaw.

 

[DonaldJTrump]

Hard to say what tom cruise did. I wish it was a jaw implant but its probably a long shot considering the time he got it(1984 or sum) that he would get such good result without implant show. Could just be masseter hypertrophy

eh. i doubt it was just masseter hypertrophy.

"He had jaw implants in the late 80s/90s from Dr. Edward Terino, who was also an avid Scientologist and one of the pioneers of facial implants.

Dr. Terino has since passed away, but he was known as THE jaw implant guy in Hollywood in the 90s/early 2000s on the old plastic surgery forums before Reddit existed.

I contacted him for a consult 25+ years ago and his office mailed me a questionnaire full of Scientology questions you had to answer correctly before he would even see you.

I remember answering them the way I thought a Scientologist would want to hear and his office"

many online say it was dr. terino. tom cruise's entire jaw went from being downswung, narrow, recessed to wide, more upswung/clockwise rotated, and forward projected. his chin gained projection. his jaw became more flared outward. i'm not aware of any orthodontic treatment that did that, masseters getting big alone will NOT do that, and fillers are unlikely because they didn't become a big thing until more recently AND tom's jaw has looked the same since the 90s so it has to be something permanent like an implant.

regardless i still agree with you that jaw implants suck. i don't know how tom got such a mogger result. i guess being the #1 movie star with a lot of money helps. unfortunately dr. terino is dead now. now we may never ascend like tom cruise did. i hope giant can one day ascend people with jaw implants like terino did to cruise but i am skeptical of giant as you are, ngl.

 

[zemult]

What jaw angle implant results have you seen from Giant/Pag?

Always have planned jaw angle implants until recently when I realized my mandible is probably slightly recessed. May go for BSSO / Ramus widening instead. My bigonial is a bit narrow, but tbf I'm high bf% and it looks less narrow in pictures from 6ft away

@lurking truecel

 

[moltisantichincel]

This ramieri case of inframalars and implate looked really good imo, corrected asymmetry added angularity, heightened the ramus pretty well, of course maybe the masseter looks fucked during speech and movement but overall good result. also these results look fairly conservative not too much of a drastic change compared to most jaw implant results, maybe just being conservative is the move, what do you think tho @lurking truecel

 

[jackinthebox]

what are you talking about, i've seen many good examples, here is one:

masseter muscle is almost impossible to notice either, maybe a looksmaxxer can figure out you had implants but no normie will based on just that

 

[lurking truecel]

what are you talking about, i've seen many good examples, here is one:

masseter muscle is almost impossible to notice either, maybe a looksmaxxer can figure out you had implants but no normie will based on just that

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This guy litteraly said he got dehiscence and have thought about removing the implant. He might have already done it

 

[jackinthebox]

This guy litteraly said he got dehiscence and have thought about removing the implant. He might have already done it

This guy is just mentally ill. His masseter muscle looks off when he clenches his jaw but...so what? This has a very marginal impact on his aesthetics. No one will notice it, nor will they recognize what it even is if they do, and even if they somehow figure out it's his jaw muscle, it will still be a completely uninteresting fact.

Damn, thanks for this comment. Ive seen therapist for the past 4 months, it`s been a rollercoaster for me. Ive tried few medications to help with anxiety but they caused me undesirable side effects and i went off. I do have real problems in recognizing myself after the surgery.

Surgery is not gonna fix his brain

"Now im having a relationship"

He just got a girlfriend and stopped worrying about this stupid shit jfl. He hasn't opened Reddit in a year.

 

[DonaldJTrump]

OP not to glaze you but i really appreciate the good threads you make. you offer a lot of high iq, common sense insight here that a lot of the stupid greycel kids need to hear. keep up the good work my friend.

 

[realshit]

All result i have seen from it and even irl experience when i did my surgery was extremly bad. It just never looks neither natural or good. I have seen like 10+ giant result, 4-5 ram result and 6 pag result. Also a few on the internet, and i have never seen one good or even half decent result thats even remotely close too an average jaw with decent width. Most of the times it litteraly descended them to the ground. And the ones i have seen irl looks absolutely awful and uncanny even because the jaw doesnt look normal. Most good looking jaws comes mostly from the muscle insertions and the size of it. Jaw implants litteraly destroys the muscle or it is attached not even remotely the same. In worst case you get dehiscence and get some weird bump and muscle slid up and shit.

Absolute scam surgery, never touch ever unless you have the worst jaw in human history or can grow a beard over it

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[Hide]

All result i have seen from it and even irl experience when i did my surgery was extremly bad. It just never looks neither natural or good. I have seen like 10+ giant result, 4-5 ram result and 6 pag result. Also a few on the internet, and i have never seen one good or even half decent result thats even remotely close too an average jaw with decent width. Most of the times it litteraly descended them to the ground. And the ones i have seen irl looks absolutely awful and uncanny even because the jaw doesnt look normal. Most good looking jaws comes mostly from the muscle insertions and the size of it. Jaw implants litteraly destroys the muscle or it is attached not even remotely the same. In worst case you get dehiscence and get some weird bump and muscle slid up and shit.

Absolute scam surgery, never touch ever unless you have the worst jaw in human history or can grow a beard over it

Is it possible to just make in fit an osteotomy ramus osteotomy to flare and widen gonions

 

[DonaldJTrump]

Is it possible to just make in fit an osteotomy ramus osteotomy to flare and widen gonions

an osteotomy to JUST widen the gonions? i dont think any surgeon would do that on you. you can get your jaw widened during BSSO, some surgeons offer it, it's called condylar widening, but you usually need to NEED BSSO medically for this to be done and they will usually do a full on bimax at the same time

 

[Hide]

an osteotomy to JUST widen the gonions? i dont think any surgeon would do that on you. you can get your jaw widened during BSSO, some surgeons offer it, it's called condylar widening, but you usually need to NEED BSSO medically for this to be done and they will usually do a full on bimax at the same time

Oh ffs brutal, can never dream of tom welling type gonions

 

[DonaldJTrump]

Oh ffs brutal, can never dream of tom welling type gonions

consider jaw filler. also dont worry man i genuinely think theres a way to get mogger jaw implant. tom cruise got a mogger jaw implant from dr edward terino around 1990 and that was 35 years ago so surely theres a way we can ascend like he did in 2025.

 

[Hide]

consider jaw filler. also dont worry man i genuinely think theres a way to get mogger jaw implant. tom cruise got a mogger jaw implant from dr edward terino around 1990 and that was 35 years ago so surely theres a way we can ascend like he did in 2025.

Issue for me is i have good jfa despite unideal gonial angle and jaw width so I need alot of mandibular reshaping

I wonder who are the disciples of Edward terino

 

[gayspringtrap993]

This ramieri case of inframalars and implate looked really good imo, corrected asymmetry added angularity, heightened the ramus pretty well, of course maybe the masseter looks fucked during speech and movement but overall good result. also these results look fairly conservative not too much of a drastic change compared to most jaw implant results, maybe just being conservative is the move, what do you think tho @lurking truecel

JFL why are all surgery results like have patient on the first pic pre surgery death pale and then its like good tan with red undertones and makeup or sum like that, here he even ascended his eyebrows, haircut and got a shave

 

[william.]

eh. i doubt it was just masseter hypertrophy.

"He had jaw implants in the late 80s/90s from Dr. Edward Terino, who was also an avid Scientologist and one of the pioneers of facial implants.

Dr. Terino has since passed away, but he was known as THE jaw implant guy in Hollywood in the 90s/early 2000s on the old plastic surgery forums before Reddit existed.

I contacted him for a consult 25+ years ago and his office mailed me a questionnaire full of Scientology questions you had to answer correctly before he would even see you.

I remember answering them the way I thought a Scientologist would want to hear and his office"

many online say it was dr. terino. tom cruise's entire jaw went from being downswung, narrow, recessed to wide, more upswung/clockwise rotated, and forward projected. his chin gained projection. his jaw became more flared outward. i'm not aware of any orthodontic treatment that did that, masseters getting big alone will NOT do that, and fillers are unlikely because they didn't become a big thing until more recently AND tom's jaw has looked the same since the 90s so it has to be something permanent like an implant.

regardless i still agree with you that jaw implants suck. i don't know how tom got such a mogger result. i guess being the #1 movie star with a lot of money helps. unfortunately dr. terino is dead now. now we may never ascend like tom cruise did. i hope giant can one day ascend people with jaw implants like terino did to cruise but i am skeptical of giant as you are, ngl.

why dont u think he got bimax?

 

[DonaldJTrump]

why dont u think he got bimax?

this was around the year 1990, bimax was way more primitive back then and nobody would get it for cosmetic purposes back then. even today it is considered insane to get it for cosmetic purposes although a growing number of people (autists like us mostly) do it.

 

[WhiteGoodman]

This ramieri case of inframalars and implate looked really good imo, corrected asymmetry added angularity, heightened the ramus pretty well, of course maybe the masseter looks fucked during speech and movement but overall good result. also these results look fairly conservative not too much of a drastic change compared to most jaw implant results, maybe just being conservative is the move, what do you think tho @lurking truecel

Is implate technically the same as a bulky implant tho?

 

[moltisantichincel]

Is implate technically the same as a bulky implant tho?

What do you mean bully? It’s pretty anatomically designed and usually conservative

 

[WhiteGoodman]

What do you mean bully? It’s pretty anatomically designed and usually conservative

Bulky. As in, would implate provide a more natural finish due to the nature of it being used as both screws and an implant and therefore naturally having less mass

 

[m4m313]

All result i have seen from it and even irl experience when i did my surgery was extremly bad. It just never looks neither natural or good. I have seen like 10+ giant result, 4-5 ram result and 6 pag result. Also a few on the internet, and i have never seen one good or even half decent result thats even remotely close too an average jaw with decent width. Most of the times it litteraly descended them to the ground. And the ones i have seen irl looks absolutely awful and uncanny even because the jaw doesnt look normal. Most good looking jaws comes mostly from the muscle insertions and the size of it. Jaw implants litteraly destroys the muscle or it is attached not even remotely the same. In worst case you get dehiscence and get some weird bump and muscle slid up and shit.

Absolute scam surgery, never touch ever unless you have the worst jaw in human history or can grow a beard over it

how much does it cost tho

 

[lurking truecel]

how much does it cost tho

10-20 k

 

[moltisantichincel]

Bulky. As in, would implate provide a more natural finish due to the nature of it being used as both screws and an implant and therefore naturally having less mass

Yeah I would say so. I’m not a implants designer but from what I be seen they look pretty natural

 

[svarddre]

Filler for gonions for sure, just have enough money to routinely dissolve and replace