Also man if I microdose AI like I will take like 500 test like I think I told you about switching between AI so you get less of the neuro side effects also having selank/semax
are we just going to completley ignore looxs transformation?Steroids/peptides don't influence height/facial bones significantly/at all
The meta-analysis Finkelstein et al. (2002) puts the final nail in the coffin
It's about GH treatment for growth velocity and adult height in children
Inclusion criteria for studies are:
- Idiopathic short stature (turbo manlet for reason 404) <10th percentile height
- Normal GH levels
- No other illnesses
-> Mostly applicable study design
-> In total data of 1089 patients
GH was used at 0.14 to 0.40 mg/kg per week for a minimum of 6 months:
- Daily dose for a 30kg child: 1.8-5.1IU
-> Translated dose for a 70kg adolescent: 4.2-12IU ed
Growth velocity was increased for the GH group by 1. year: 2.86 ± 0.37 cm/y, 2. year: 2.36 ± 0.36 cm/y > control group
GH group increased adult height by 5-6cm > control group
View attachment 4126746
What this mean nigga? View attachment 4126834
- Increasing adult height as a ~7yo turbo manlet requires megadoses of GH for years
-> You won't grow a molecule with your "stack"
Additional suifuel:
- Generic GH (~$1-1.5/IU) > UGL GH (~$0.3-0.5/IU) in terms of effectivity due to quality (debatable)
-> Even higher dosages above 12IU required, meaning even higher costs
The truth: Height is determined by ~12000 genes.
Because estradiol is important for a ton of tissues/organs. Would you try your luck to become 2-3cm taller in exchange for:
- Stunted brain development, neurotoxicity
- Spinal issues, problems with bones in general
- Nuked lipid profile
- Raped liver and kidneys
- Worse muscle hypertrophy,
- Trash skin quality, worse with exemestane
- Hair loss, even worse with exemestane
- Mental problems
This means keeping E2 on the higher range comes with much better benefits.
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@chadisbeingmade @Eltrē @Magnum Opus @imontheloose @Randomized Shame
"Height is determined by 12000 genes"
Why would teenagers do allat when they can get 4 inches from liftsSteroids/peptides don't influence height/facial bones significantly/at all
The meta-analysis Finkelstein et al. (2002) puts the final nail in the coffin
It's about GH treatment for growth velocity and adult height in children
Inclusion criteria for studies are:
- Idiopathic short stature (turbo manlet for reason 404) <10th percentile height
- Normal GH levels
- No other illnesses
-> Mostly applicable study design
-> In total data of 1089 patients
GH was used at 0.14 to 0.40 mg/kg per week for a minimum of 6 months:
- Daily dose for a 30kg child: 1.8-5.1IU
-> Translated dose for a 70kg adolescent: 4.2-12IU ed
Growth velocity was increased for the GH group by 1. year: 2.86 ± 0.37 cm/y, 2. year: 2.36 ± 0.36 cm/y > control group
GH group increased adult height by 5-6cm > control group
View attachment 4126746
What this mean nigga? View attachment 4126834
- Increasing adult height as a ~7yo turbo manlet requires megadoses of GH for years
-> You won't grow a molecule with your "stack"
Additional suifuel:
- Generic GH (~$1-1.5/IU) > UGL GH (~$0.3-0.5/IU) in terms of effectivity due to quality (debatable)
-> Even higher dosages above 12IU required, meaning even higher costs
The truth: Height is determined by ~12000 genes.
Because estradiol is important for a ton of tissues/organs. Would you try your luck to become 2-3cm taller in exchange for:
- Stunted brain development, neurotoxicity
- Spinal issues, problems with bones in general
- Nuked lipid profile
- Raped liver and kidneys
- Worse muscle hypertrophy,
- Trash skin quality, worse with exemestane
- Hair loss, even worse with exemestane
- Mental problems
This means keeping E2 on the higher range comes with much better benefits.
View attachment 4127083
@chadisbeingmade @Eltrē @Magnum Opus @imontheloose @Randomized Shame
This is the study he is reffering to:
Idiopathic Short Stature: The FDA and Its High-Stakes Conceptual Quagmires. Lionel Messi is perhaps the world's most celebrated soccer player. Despite standing only 5'6”, the Argentinian striker is strong, fast, and impossibly skilled. However, as a child, doctors predicted he wouldn't grow any taller than 4'7”.Steroids/peptides don't influence height/facial bones significantly/at all
The meta-analysis Finkelstein et al. (2002) puts the final nail in the coffin
It's about GH treatment for growth velocity and adult height in children
Inclusion criteria for studies are:
- Idiopathic short stature (turbo manlet for reason 404) <10th percentile height
- Normal GH levels
- No other illnesses
-> Mostly applicable study design
-> In total data of 1089 patients
GH was used at 0.14 to 0.40 mg/kg per week for a minimum of 6 months:
- Daily dose for a 30kg child: 1.8-5.1IU
-> Translated dose for a 70kg adolescent: 4.2-12IU ed
Growth velocity was increased for the GH group by 1. year: 2.86 ± 0.37 cm/y, 2. year: 2.36 ± 0.36 cm/y > control group
GH group increased adult height by 5-6cm > control group
View attachment 4126746
What this mean nigga? View attachment 4126834
- Increasing adult height as a ~7yo turbo manlet requires megadoses of GH for years
-> You won't grow a molecule with your "stack"
Additional suifuel:
- Generic GH (~$1-1.5/IU) > UGL GH (~$0.3-0.5/IU) in terms of effectivity due to quality (debatable)
-> Even higher dosages above 12IU required, meaning even higher costs
The truth: Height is determined by ~12000 genes.
Because estradiol is important for a ton of tissues/organs. Would you try your luck to become 2-3cm taller in exchange for:
- Stunted brain development, neurotoxicity
- Spinal issues, problems with bones in general
- Nuked lipid profile
- Raped liver and kidneys
- Worse muscle hypertrophy,
- Trash skin quality, worse with exemestane
- Hair loss, even worse with exemestane
- Mental problems
This means keeping E2 on the higher range comes with much better benefits.
View attachment 4127083
@chadisbeingmade @Eltrē @Magnum Opus @imontheloose @Randomized Shame
Ive just accepted im 5,8 for life now
Brah i don’t understand why you made this thread though, you claim “Steroids/peptides don't influence height/facial bones significantly/at all” but in the same thread you also mention that they do actually influence it.Steroids/peptides don't influence height/facial bones significantly/at all
The meta-analysis Finkelstein et al. (2002) puts the final nail in the coffin
It's about GH treatment for growth velocity and adult height in children
Inclusion criteria for studies are:
- Idiopathic short stature (turbo manlet for reason 404) <10th percentile height
- Normal GH levels
- No other illnesses
-> Mostly applicable study design
-> In total data of 1089 patients
GH was used at 0.14 to 0.40 mg/kg per week for a minimum of 6 months:
- Daily dose for a 30kg child: 1.8-5.1IU
-> Translated dose for a 70kg adolescent: 4.2-12IU ed
Growth velocity was increased for the GH group by 1. year: 2.86 ± 0.37 cm/y, 2. year: 2.36 ± 0.36 cm/y > control group
GH group increased adult height by 5-6cm > control group
View attachment 4126746
What this mean nigga? View attachment 4126834
- Increasing adult height as a ~7yo turbo manlet requires megadoses of GH for years
-> You won't grow a molecule with your "stack"
Additional suifuel:
- Generic GH (~$1-1.5/IU) > UGL GH (~$0.3-0.5/IU) in terms of effectivity due to quality (debatable)
-> Even higher dosages above 12IU required, meaning even higher costs
The truth: Height is determined by ~12000 genes.
Because estradiol is important for a ton of tissues/organs. Would you try your luck to become 2-3cm taller in exchange for:
- Stunted brain development, neurotoxicity
- Spinal issues, problems with bones in general
- Nuked lipid profile
- Raped liver and kidneys
- Worse muscle hypertrophy,
- Trash skin quality, worse with exemestane
- Hair loss, even worse with exemestane
- Mental problems
This means keeping E2 on the higher range comes with much better benefits.
View attachment 4127083
@chadisbeingmade @Eltrē @Magnum Opus @imontheloose @Randomized Shame
every looksmaxxer reaches this conclusion eventually
selank and semax usually only work with people with pre-existing medical conditions like alzheimer's, osavampator has no side effects and works on healthy males with no pre-existing conditions
isn't one of the few differences between pharma and generic the additives like mannitol which is used to dry the powder quicker
Yeah that is possibly one of them but it all depends on the vendors, i believe that mostly Chinese vendors have to cut off money with any possible way as to why it’s so cheap compared to other sources or pharma.
yea the use alot of additives to be able to produce it faster, quicker and more effeciently so that's why its so much cheaper
Only take an AI once you get high E2 sides, it's a really simple principle. Many people including me don't get high E2 symptoms on high doses of test, especially not on test prop. Also stay lean.
Both gigantism and acromegaly make you look deformed. Also if it was that replicable most professional bodybuilders using copious amounts of GH/insulin combined with androgens would change drastically skull-wise.
Loox reopened his growth plates at 18/19, you are a genius.
The link on the text saying this is literally blue and clickable.
The thread is on purpose short, the title is an exaggeration.
Adolescents that aren't even on TRT blasting AIs are more likely to crush their E2 than to keep it "balanced". Just because you don't notice sides doesn't mean E2 doesn't benefit these tissues, this would rather mean you react well to E2...
Exemestanes metabolite is literally very androgenic.
Very weird brag, not every 15yo can afford 16IU GH ed.
It isn't logical, especially not after you acknowledged yourself that there is no way to prove it was the GH. It mostly speeds up growth velocity.
2-3cm after years of blasting high dose GH isn't a good trade-off for the things you give for it: A ton of money, pinning GH for years and being permabloated, + the tons of other side effects you have to manage like your heart, mTOR being constantly hammered, organ growth, carpal tunnel syndrome, etc.
Genetics are impossible to be frauded in the sense of growing past the genetic ceiling because height growth is too complex, not so that women can select more easily for the superior genes.
this is only true for gh secretagogues (Cjc, ipa, ghrh) to a certain extent, e2 levels are positively correlated to the intensity of growth hormone spikes, doenst mean it doesnt work without the high estrogen
From what ive seen on the org theres no evidence that suggests that his growth plates ever did close at 18/19, they could have very well just stayed open.
I'm just as smart as what everyone talks about on HGH, I plan on getting on some too soon to try and heightmaxx myself.
I'm confused so what are you suggesting
Well do they though, it literally says the turbomanlets are at normal HGH levels but are literally turbomanlets, that literally is a direct correlation with reacting worse to HGH theraphy and HGH altogether in comparison to just a normal heighted teen taking HGH
Aight bro
Yeah but isn't this like caused by their idiocy, like if they have been blasting it without a single compound that aromatises its pretty easy to nuke E2. Also the reason i said i didn't notice any sides was because my skin quality was the same, i had no acne, builded muscle even better because of the gear and also the gh, my liver and kidneys were fine, no idea about the lipids though so there may have been some damage to there but i can't know for sure, didn't experience any joint pain but again i can't know if it has affected my bone tissue as I'd probably need a DEXA scan for that and at last no hair loss. What my point here is that most people aren't going to get the whole package of side effects on just an aromatase inhibitor and there are many people who make logs for their hgh and ai usage on the forum, but yeah you aren't wrong those sides are all possible when nuked and yeah long-term usage of it will most likely impact organs but thats why you gotta get check-ups.
Yeah fair but i just wanted to say that it isn't guaranteed and not that common with an AI I'd suppose but masteron is a whole another story.
Not a brag, i was trying to tell you that it is possible for even a 15yo to afford 16iu HGH ED. I didn't even have a job at the time but if you just get employed, try your best to earn money be it selling thing you don't use anymore, monetising your skills and a whole lotta other shit you will surely afford it. My only advantage would be that i live in a first world country but in some situations this makes it even harder to earn money or changes the accessibility of the compounds itself.
Imo it is logical and i do have to be realistic there isn't any way i can prove the growth is caused by the HGH or AI.
Androgenic claims that he hasn't even used HGH, you can also not get acromegaly from roids or even HGH if not fully abused. On top of that he didn't double his height it was only a few inches of difference which is pretty natural.
I would suggest you don't if the sole reason is because some other random guy claims he ascended from it (he didn't even use it).
Think about it, there should be a reason why they ended up as a turbomanlet in the first place. There is most likely an underlying issue as to why they're so short and this can be because of multiple conditions like GHD, hypopituitarism, hypogonadism etc. This would mean that they should respond way better to GH therapy rather than a healthy individual.
= Muscle mass
= Boots and shoe lifts
= Fillers
= The whole point of ISS is that the cause of short stature isn't easily identified
I won't reply any further, all stupid points
1. Most people are retarded, if you give public advice = reach mostly people that are retarded = JFL if you think they're getting blood tests to get their serum E2 to a specific level
So you're the outlier not even getting androgenic sides from gear and using it as an argument, this isn't a point
Everything can be done in a smart way, most people are never going to get blood tests, regular check-ups
No reason to be in a caloric surplus after puberty ends for the most part, imagine being looksminned while being an adolescent and during your school yearsNot a brag, i was trying to tell you that it is possible for even a 15yo to afford 16iu HGH ED. I didn't even have a job at the time but if you just get employed, try your best to earn money be it selling thing you don't use anymore, monetising your skills and a whole lotta other shit you will surely afford it. My only advantage would be that i live in a first world country but in some situations this makes it even harder to earn money or changes the accessibility of the compounds itself.
Imo it is logical and i do have to be realistic there isn't any way i can prove the growth is caused by the HGH or AI.
2-3cm should be the bare minimum if you blast high doses of HGH for years with an aromatase inhibitor, its not a ton of money compared to the 80-120k for LL, you should be on a caloric surplus eitherway so the bloat isn't going to change much.
You're kinda exaggerating everything up a little bit personally bro and also again no disrespect you my nigga
so i need to use more Iu's and more androgens? IntrestingSteroids/peptides don't influence height/facial bones significantly/at all
The meta-analysis Finkelstein et al. (2002) puts the final nail in the coffin
It's about GH treatment for growth velocity and adult height in children
Inclusion criteria for studies are:
- Idiopathic short stature (turbo manlet for reason 404) <10th percentile height
- Normal GH levels
- No other illnesses
-> Mostly applicable study design
-> In total data of 1089 patients
GH was used at 0.14 to 0.40 mg/kg per week for a minimum of 6 months:
- Daily dose for a 30kg child: 1.8-5.1IU
-> Translated dose for a 70kg adolescent: 4.2-12IU ed
Growth velocity was increased for the GH group by 1. year: 2.86 ± 0.37 cm/y, 2. year: 2.36 ± 0.36 cm/y > control group
GH group increased adult height by 5-6cm > control group
View attachment 4126746
What this mean nigga? View attachment 4126834
- Increasing adult height as a ~7yo turbo manlet requires megadoses of GH for years
-> You won't grow a molecule with your "stack"
Additional suifuel:
- Generic GH (~$1-1.5/IU) > UGL GH (~$0.3-0.5/IU) in terms of effectivity due to quality (debatable)
-> Even higher dosages above 12IU required, meaning even higher costs
The truth: Height is determined by ~12000 genes.
Because estradiol is important for a ton of tissues/organs. Would you try your luck to become 2-3cm taller in exchange for:
- Stunted brain development, neurotoxicity
- Spinal issues, problems with bones in general
- Nuked lipid profile
- Raped liver and kidneys
- Worse muscle hypertrophy,
- Trash skin quality, worse with exemestane
- Hair loss, even worse with exemestane
- Mental problems
This means keeping E2 on the higher range comes with much better benefits.
View attachment 4127083
@chadisbeingmade @Eltrē @Magnum Opus @imontheloose @Randomized Shame
Think the argument is more is it worth the tradeoffs. For some people maybe and for others no and the problem is you wont know what category you fall into until years later when potentially the damage is done and money is blown.Steroids/peptides don't influence height/facial bones significantly/at all
The meta-analysis Finkelstein et al. (2002) puts the final nail in the coffin
It's about GH treatment for growth velocity and adult height in children
Inclusion criteria for studies are:
- Idiopathic short stature (turbo manlet for reason 404) <10th percentile height
- Normal GH levels
- No other illnesses
-> Mostly applicable study design
-> In total data of 1089 patients
GH was used at 0.14 to 0.40 mg/kg per week for a minimum of 6 months:
- Daily dose for a 30kg child: 1.8-5.1IU
-> Translated dose for a 70kg adolescent: 4.2-12IU ed
Growth velocity was increased for the GH group by 1. year: 2.86 ± 0.37 cm/y, 2. year: 2.36 ± 0.36 cm/y > control group
GH group increased adult height by 5-6cm > control group
View attachment 4126746
What this mean nigga? View attachment 4126834
- Increasing adult height as a ~7yo turbo manlet requires megadoses of GH for years
-> You won't grow a molecule with your "stack"
Additional suifuel:
- Generic GH (~$1-1.5/IU) > UGL GH (~$0.3-0.5/IU) in terms of effectivity due to quality (debatable)
-> Even higher dosages above 12IU required, meaning even higher costs
The truth: Height is determined by ~12000 genes.
Because estradiol is important for a ton of tissues/organs. Would you try your luck to become 2-3cm taller in exchange for:
- Stunted brain development, neurotoxicity
- Spinal issues, problems with bones in general
- Nuked lipid profile
- Raped liver and kidneys
- Worse muscle hypertrophy,
- Trash skin quality, worse with exemestane
- Hair loss, even worse with exemestane
- Mental problems
This means keeping E2 on the higher range comes with much better benefits.
View attachment 4127083
@chadisbeingmade @Eltrē @Magnum Opus @imontheloose @Randomized Shame
Androgens will
Ive always thought loox is a bit of a clown for the way he acts but I dont think he has gotten fillers tbh. Theres tons of vids of him smashing his cheekbones and chin post "ascension" which wouldnt really make sense if he had radiesse under it lol. Not saying he looks good by any measure, but something definitely did change.
Brutal, over for PubertyMaxxersSteroids/peptides don't influence height/facial bones significantly/at all
The meta-analysis Finkelstein et al. (2002) puts the final nail in the coffin
It's about GH treatment for growth velocity and adult height in children
Inclusion criteria for studies are:
- Idiopathic short stature (turbo manlet for reason 404) <10th percentile height
- Normal GH levels
- No other illnesses
-> Mostly applicable study design
-> In total data of 1089 patients
GH was used at 0.14 to 0.40 mg/kg per week for a minimum of 6 months:
- Daily dose for a 30kg child: 1.8-5.1IU
-> Translated dose for a 70kg adolescent: 4.2-12IU ed
Growth velocity was increased for the GH group by 1. year: 2.86 ± 0.37 cm/y, 2. year: 2.36 ± 0.36 cm/y > control group
GH group increased adult height by 5-6cm > control group
View attachment 4126746
What this mean nigga? View attachment 4126834
- Increasing adult height as a ~7yo turbo manlet requires megadoses of GH for years
-> You won't grow a molecule with your "stack"
Additional suifuel:
- Generic GH (~$1-1.5/IU) > UGL GH (~$0.3-0.5/IU) in terms of effectivity due to quality (debatable)
-> Even higher dosages above 12IU required, meaning even higher costs
The truth: Height is determined by ~12000 genes.
Because estradiol is important for a ton of tissues/organs. Would you try your luck to become 2-3cm taller in exchange for:
- Stunted brain development, neurotoxicity
- Spinal issues, problems with bones in general
- Nuked lipid profile
- Raped liver and kidneys
- Worse muscle hypertrophy,
- Trash skin quality, worse with exemestane
- Hair loss, even worse with exemestane
- Mental problems
This means keeping E2 on the higher range comes with much better benefits.
View attachment 4127083
@chadisbeingmade @Eltrē @Magnum Opus @imontheloose @Randomized Shame
I think your talking about applying dht serum directly on your penis
It's very noticable in your post history how the age you claim you hopped on varies by years, so do the cycles.
He got fillers and cosmetic procedures, his family members are very tall according to him as well.
Exactly, rather only negatives. It should be a nobrainer to not touch exogenous hormones as a kid.
Good linkage between both topics. Supraphysiological amounts of DHT just won't contribute to "supraphysiological gains" in terms of penile growth. There are also studies where children with micropenis used DHT gel long-term and their penile growth only improved marginally, they never improved significantly.
Looks like you started browsing BOTB, nobody cares about these water insights. No need to looksmin with DHT during puberty.
That's not true, the study is done on children with ISS without GH deficiency. GH isn't the only factor that causes growth and this study is the literal evidence for this yet again. I even included the criteria for study selection and GH deficiency was excluded.
JFL nice that you point that out, wish I could see their IQ pop up when reading the replies.
