(GTFIH INSANE MIDFACE SHORTENING) HOW IS THIS POSSIBLE?

[DonaldJTrump]

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[DonaldJTrump]

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[Lefor3Laser]

So youre saying it was the ccw rotation that made her face look shorter?

Yes, it does help alot, she got a little impactation (to make space for the cww) then made the cww movement wich made her have a less tallish midface.

 

[DonaldJTrump]

Yes, it does help alot, she got a little impactation (to make space for the cww) then made the cww movement wich made her have a less tallish midface.

How did they make her maxilla much less recessed?

 

[Sicilian Cyclops]

Yes, it does help alot, she got a little impactation (to make space for the cww) then made the cww movement wich made her have a less tallish midface.

how did they shorten the soft tissue? there'd be excess soft tissue which could only be shorted by doing a total face lift which would leave a brutal scar transversally across the whole face

 

[geenk worg]

how did they shorten the soft tissue? there'd be excess soft tissue which could only be shorted by doing a total face lift which would leave a brutal scar transversally across the whole face

when it's done to a small extent it's not needed, but anyways it got nothing to do with the rotation or the jaw surgery like retards here claim.

 

[DonaldJTrump]

when it's done to a small extent it's not needed, but anyways it got nothing to do with the rotation or the jaw surgery like retards here claim.

how did they shorten the soft tissue? there'd be excess soft tissue which could only be shorted by doing a total face lift which would leave a brutal scar transversally across the whole face

Are you speaking of the face becoming shorter? How was it done? Maxillary impaction upward to fix a gummy smile?

 

[Lefor3Laser]

How did they make her maxilla much less recessed?

It is done to a small extent, few mm's of change does actually a big difference irl, because of the ccw (wich also gives forward movement), it gave her a forward look appearance.

 

[Lefor3Laser]

how did they shorten the soft tissue? there'd be excess soft tissue which could only be shorted by doing a total face lift which would leave a brutal scar transversally across the whole face

Skin, muscles and fat adapting to a small movement yet a effective one.

 

[ru58841]

Is this possible with thumbpulling and mewing??

 

[DonaldJTrump]

It is done to a small extent, few mm's of change does actually a big difference irl, because of the ccw (wich also gives forward movement), it gave her a forward look appearance.

Her upper maxilla looks much better now though, i think it may be due to the quadrangular cut

 

[kingofkings]

Was it the quadrangular cut that advanced her face in a way that made it appear shorter? (I’ve heard a more forward maxilla will make face appear shorter).

No it's not the quad cut at all. She had impaction and a small amount of rotation. Also like you said, some rhino work.

 

[DonaldJTrump]

No it's not the quad cut at all. She had impaction and a small amount of rotation. Also like you said, some rhino work.

What did the cut do then?

 

[kingofkings]

What did the cut do then?

I meant it wasn't the quad cut that caused the shorter midface.

Definitely a quad cut. Sometimes it's called a quad lf1 sometimes quad lf2 (more rarely).

It moves more than just the maxilla part around the teeth but also lower infra orb rims. basically what you see in the scan.

 

[Nerozine]

Why does her face look so much shorter in the after despite getting her upper jaw advanced further, which usually lengthens the midface?

She had a quadrangular le fort 1 along with an augmentation rhinoplasty. Some vertical reduction of the chin and adjustment of the jaw position was done too…

Was it the le fort 1 impaction (not sure if she had any).

Rhinoplasty to shorten the nose length? (If they shortened her nose during the rhino, it may have helped but the jaw surgery is what did most of the work)

Was it the quadrangular cut that advanced her face in a way that made it appear shorter? (I’ve heard a more forward maxilla will make face appear shorter).

Many long faced incels could ascend if we could get exactly what she got!

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i need this

 

[DonaldJTrump]

I meant it wasn't the quad cut that caused the shorter midface.

Definitely a quad cut. Sometimes it's called a quad lf1 sometimes quad lf2 (more rarely).

It moves more than just the maxilla part around the teeth but also lower infra orb rims. basically what you see in the scan.

I need it… fuckk… why isnt it discussed on this forum more?? Ppl should be getting that instead of regular bimax.

 

[kingofkings]

I need it… fuckk… why isnt it discussed on this forum more?? Ppl should be getting that instead of regular bimax.

I'm also interested in this.

Complete speculation on my part - perhaps increased risk with the location of the infraorbital nerve or maybe the surgery is a lot more challenging to perform since it's intra-oral compared to LF2

 

[DonaldJTrump]

I'm also interested in this.

Complete speculation on my part - perhaps increased risk with the location of the infraorbital nerve or maybe the surgery is a lot more challenging to perform since it's intra-oral compared to LF2

Yeah, i guess implants can do the job but they end up looking uncanny hella

 

[savemebimax]

I'm also interested in this.

Complete speculation on my part - perhaps increased risk with the location of the infraorbital nerve or maybe the surgery is a lot more challenging to perform since it's intra-oral compared to LF2

I asked Ramieri if he would do this type of cut and he just said he prefers normal LF1 with implants, didn't press him more if he would never do it though, will ask more about it in person.

 

[DonaldJTrump]

I asked Ramieri if he would do this type of cut and he just said he prefers normal LF1 with implants, didn't press him more if he would never do it though, will ask more about it in person.

yeah, i guess this cut is probably way more invasive or risky, but it can look way more natural. it's a gamble...

 

[CopeTilliRope]

bymping that thread i was also mindblowned by that results and i'm still wondering how the hell did the actual midface got shorter .

 

[CopeTilliRope]

Why does her face look so much shorter in the after despite getting her upper jaw advanced further, which usually lengthens the midface?

She had a quadrangular le fort 1 along with an augmentation rhinoplasty. Some vertical reduction of the chin and adjustment of the jaw position was done too…

Was it the le fort 1 impaction (not sure if she had any).

Rhinoplasty to shorten the nose length? (If they shortened her nose during the rhino, it may have helped but the jaw surgery is what did most of the work)

Was it the quadrangular cut that advanced her face in a way that made it appear shorter? (I’ve heard a more forward maxilla will make face appear shorter).

Many long faced incels could ascend if we could get exactly what she got!

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that dude is a known butcher tho but insane results damn

 

[DonaldJTrump]

that dude is a known butcher tho but insane results damn

i know, its sad, i guess he is south american or something so its not that surprising but still unfortunate... if he had a better reputation i would be going to him as soon as i could...

any other NON-BUTCHER surgeons (preferably from a FIRST WORLD, ideally WESTERN country) who can shorten the face like this, or offer quadrangular cut? we need to find out...

 

[CopeTilliRope]

i know, its sad, i guess he is south american or something so its not that surprising but still unfortunate... if he had a better reputation i would be going to him as soon as i could...

any other NON-BUTCHER surgeons (preferably from a FIRST WORLD, ideally WESTERN country) who can shorten the face like this, or offer quadrangular cut? we need to find out...

how did the actual midface and SOFT TISSUE got shorter? i might be an absolute retard but i didn't get how he did it. from my understanding most bimax results look longer from a front view even after a bimax and djs isnt really worth it if we want to look better from the front ( even if everytime the profile looks great) .

even with ccw at best the face stays the same lenght . and impaction doesnt do anything for the soft tissue at all so i'm consfused how he made her actual soft tissue shorter as well as the midface lenght.

and yeah i saw a thread from a girl from my country who went to him based on his ig results and holy fuck he disfigured the shit out of her . he didn't listen to her demands at all and turned her into the third bogdanof making her face long af ; butchered her nose while she didnt ask for rhino ; gave her pmma injection to the face she never asked for and despite her asking for a shorter chin he actually lenghten her chin the after are fucking atrocious .

 

[CopeTilliRope]

i know, its sad, i guess he is south american or something so its not that surprising but still unfortunate... if he had a better reputation i would be going to him as soon as i could...

any other NON-BUTCHER surgeons (preferably from a FIRST WORLD, ideally WESTERN country) who can shorten the face like this, or offer quadrangular cut? we need to find out...

sorry to bother but you had ccw? did it made your philtrum longer? or overall face

 

[savemebimax]

that dude is a known butcher tho but insane results damn

I don't think the surgeon himself knows how he did it tbh

 

[kingofkings]

how did the actual midface and SOFT TISSUE got shorter?

Impaction and rhino. You can literally see the smile get less gummy and the nose dramatically change. That's it.

There's also some camera trickery going on here. For the frontal view, if you open it up in a photo editor and make the "before" photo transparent and hover it over the "after", the eyes don't match up in the exact same position no matter how you hover it. Close, but not identical.

I had to shrink the before photo just a tiny bit to make the eyes fit identically i.e. the before photo is just slightly "zoomed in"/closer than the after photo. Adjusting for this also makes the midface shortening look less dramatic.

 

[DonaldJTrump]

sorry to bother but you had ccw? did it made your philtrum longer? or overall face

Both longer

 

[DonaldJTrump]

Impaction and rhino. You can literally see the smile get less gummy and the nose dramatically change. That's it.

There's also some camera trickery going on here. For the frontal view, if you open it up in a photo editor and make the "before" photo transparent and hover it over the "after", the eyes don't match up in the exact same position no matter how you hover it. Close, but not identical.

I had to shrink the before photo just a tiny bit to make the eyes fit identically i.e. the before photo is just slightly "zoomed in"/closer than the after photo. Adjusting for this also makes the midface shortening look less dramatic.

Can you show the adjusted version?

 

[Devon]

Impaction and rhino. You can literally see the smile get less gummy and the nose dramatically change. That's it.

There's also some camera trickery going on here. For the frontal view, if you open it up in a photo editor and make the "before" photo transparent and hover it over the "after", the eyes don't match up in the exact same position no matter how you hover it. Close, but not identical.

I had to shrink the before photo just a tiny bit to make the eyes fit identically i.e. the before photo is just slightly "zoomed in"/closer than the after photo. Adjusting for this also makes the midface shortening look less dramatic.

almost mirin iq but the impaction and rhino did nothing in terms of reducing her "midface" its just a complete camera trick thats literally all. According to @RealSurgerymax theres no good way to shorten the midface even with ccw lf2/3 which could theoretically actually bring the nasal pyriform aperture up but due to the incisions and scars that would be required to facilitate that its just not a good option.

 

[CopeTilliRope]

Both longer

damn so much for the narrative on here pushing the fact ccw would shorten the midface. did you brought that concern with your surgeron beforehand? i got djs scheduled in france soon and my surgeon is gaslighting me i think he doesnt have a good eye for aesthetic especially for already longer midface patient .

 

[CopeTilliRope]

Impaction and rhino. You can literally see the smile get less gummy and the nose dramatically change. That's it.

There's also some camera trickery going on here. For the frontal view, if you open it up in a photo editor and make the "before" photo transparent and hover it over the "after", the eyes don't match up in the exact same position no matter how you hover it. Close, but not identical.

I had to shrink the before photo just a tiny bit to make the eyes fit identically i.e. the before photo is just slightly "zoomed in"/closer than the after photo. Adjusting for this also makes the midface shortening look less dramatic.

thanks for the in depth precision. is there any way to get midface shortening in 2025 or is it just a pipedream?

also i don't understand how impaction actually shorten the midface i see how upturning the nose would give the illusion of a shorter midface but for impaction how does it shorten the midface since it only shorten the bones but not the actual soft tissues?

 

[CopeTilliRope]

almost mirin iq but the impaction and rhino did nothing in terms of reducing her "midface" its just a complete camera trick thats literally all. According to @RealSurgerymax theres no good way to shorten the midface even with ccw lf2/3 which could theoretically actually bring the nasal pyriform aperture up but due to the incisions and scars that would be required to facilitate that its just not a good option.

so according to him there is nothing excepted obo to play on another angle?

 

[Devon]

so according to him there is nothing excepted obo to play on another angle?

I believe so yeah, but he might respond to this thread correcting me

 

[savemebimax]

thanks for the in depth precision. is there any way to get midface shortening in 2025 or is it just a pipedream?

also i don't understand how impaction actually shorten the midface i see how upturning the nose would give the illusion of a shorter midface but for impaction how does it shorten the midface since it only shorten the bones but not the actual soft tissues?

Lip lift if you also have a long philtrum will shorten the midface

 

[DonaldJTrump]

damn so much for the narrative on here pushing the fact ccw would shorten the midface. did you brought that concern with your surgeron beforehand? i got djs scheduled in france soon and my surgeon is gaslighting me i think he doesnt have a good eye for aesthetic especially for already longer midface patient .

i told him i wanted to fix my "long face syndrome" i think. but i didnt emphasize fixing the long face enough i guess. i guess i just stupidly assumed ccw and 1mm impaction could fix it...

i think the best thing to do would be for me to get braces, decompensate my teeth, and then i could properly get another le fort 1 impaction a few MM upwards to shorten my midface a bit more...

i will say this though, i ascended from bimax despite starting with a long, narrow face, and getting an even longer face. even though my face length is my biggest failo... IF YOU ARE NOTICEABLY RECESSED (Especially if it causes health issues like it did for me!!):THEN BIMAX IS PROBABLY THE SOLUTION ALWAYS!.

Lip lift if you also have a long philtrum will shorten the midface

it looks gay, only ascends if you have a tiny lip, can give you a gummy smile, leaves a scar, maybe ill consider it once more people on the forum are getting it and its proven to ascend

if you have big lips then i heard you can do lip reduction at the same time... but i dont want to look like a fag. ill try le fort 1 impaction i think, first... then i might consider lip lift one day...

so according to him there is nothing excepted obo to play on another angle?

I believe so yeah, but he might respond to this thread correcting me

OBO doesnt shorten midface obviously, just widens eyes. my issue isn't narrow ipd. i just have a too narrow face,skull. my eyes are actually very wide,far apart for my head width.

zygo implants look weird and gay almost everyone says. my jaw is already wide and jaw implants would probably make it look too wide. maybe skull implant could ascend me? but im not a fan of implants.

 

[kingofkings]

almost mirin iq but the impaction and rhino did nothing in terms of reducing her "midface" its just a complete camera trick thats literally all. According to @RealSurgerymax theres no good way to shorten the midface even with ccw lf2/3 which could theoretically actually bring the nasal pyriform aperture up but due to the incisions and scars that would be required to facilitate that its just not a good option.

Nah. Impaction with the right case and movements can shorten the midface a little. It's been written about in research papers.

Giant hasn't said impaction can't shorten the midface

 

[Devon]

i told him i wanted to fix my "long face syndrome" i think. but i didnt emphasize fixing the long face enough i guess. i guess i just stupidly assumed ccw and 1mm impaction could fix it...

i think the best thing to do would be for me to get braces, decompensate my teeth, and then i could properly get another le fort 1 impaction a few MM upwards to shorten my midface a bit more...

i will say this though, i ascended from bimax despite starting with a long, narrow face, and getting an even longer face. even though my face length is my biggest failo... IF YOU ARE NOTICEABLY RECESSED (Especially if it causes health issues like it did for me!!):THEN BIMAX IS PROBABLY THE SOLUTION ALWAYS!.

it looks gay, only ascends if you have a tiny lip, can give you a gummy smile, leaves a scar, maybe ill consider it once more people on the forum are getting it and its proven to ascend

if you have big lips then i heard you can do lip reduction at the same time... but i dont want to look like a fag. ill try le fort 1 impaction i think, first... then i might consider lip lift one day...


OBO doesnt shorten midface obviously, just widens eyes. my issue isn't narrow ipd. i just have a too narrow face,skull. my eyes are actually very wide,far apart for my head width.

zygo implants look weird and gay almost everyone says. my jaw is already wide and jaw implants would probably make it look too wide. maybe skull implant could ascend me? but im not a fan of implants.

Are you sure? What’s your icd?

Certain movements of bimax advancement can reduce philtrum show due to the perspective effect

Nah. Impaction with the right case and movements can shorten the midface a little. It's been written about in research papers.

Giant hasn't said impaction can't shorten the midface

impacting does nothing, it’s completely only to fix a gummy smile that’s it. Show me these papers.

If you cut away a piece of the maxilla with impacting where does the soft tissue envelope go? The answer is it doesn’t go anywhere.

 

[savemebimax]

it looks gay, only ascends if you have a tiny lip, can give you a gummy smile, leaves a scar, maybe ill consider it once more people on the forum are getting it and its proven to ascend

Someone on here got it and posted results, looked natural and did the job of shortening. You can't look at the results on google performed on old men and women. You have to go to one who knows how to do it for a male aesthetic.

LIP LIFT RESULTS 2 weeks post op (pictures included)

THE ONLY LIP LIFT RESULT ON THE FORUM BTW

looksmax.org

 

[kingofkings]

impacting does nothing, it’s completely only to fix a gummy smile that’s it. Show me these papers.

If you cut away a piece of the maxilla with impacting where does the soft tissue envelope go? The answer is it doesn’t go anywhere.

No. When the jaws are moved forwards and rotated it stretches the skin.

"Jensen et al. reported an average upper lip shortening of ~1.9 mm after combined maxillary impaction and mandibular advancement"

Effects of Maxillary Movements on Lips Following Orthognathic Surgery: A Retrospective Non-Randomized Clinical Trial

Abstract Introduction Lips play a fundamental role in facial attractiveness and in decisions...

www.scielo.br

 

[Devon]

No. When the jaws are moved forwards and rotated it stretches the skin.

"Jensen et al. reported an average upper lip shortening of ~1.9 mm after combined maxillary impaction and mandibular advancement"

Effects of Maxillary Movements on Lips Following Orthognathic Surgery: A Retrospective Non-Randomized Clinical Trial

Abstract Introduction Lips play a fundamental role in facial attractiveness and in decisions...

www.scielo.br

This doesn't really have anything to do with reducing midface length, it talks about maxillary advancement causing an increased prominence in the dentoalveolar process therefore increasing lip length due to better skeletal support. Again I will repeat this impaction is due to patients who have VME and tooth show at apose, its not really for someone who already have normal incisor and gingival show. If you already have normal incisor show its just gonna look bad because your tooth show is gonna reduce and your midface and upper lip length will remain the same visually. I literally have 5.2 billion impaction results and all of them have 0 change to the midfacial length.

 

[kingofkings]

This doesn't really have anything to do with reducing midface length

Wrong again - "The purpose of the present study was to assess upper lip changes following Le Fort I osteotomy for maxillary impaction and advancement". A shorter upper lip length means a shorter midface literally by definition.

As for the rest of your babble, re-read what I said: "Impaction with the right case and movements can shorten the midface a little".

I'll let you have the last reply

 

[Devon]

Wrong again - "The purpose of the present study was to assess upper lip changes following Le Fort I osteotomy for maxillary impaction and advancement". A shorter upper lip means a shorter midface literally by definition.

As for the rest of your babble, re-read what I said: "Impaction with the right case and movements can shorten the midface a little".

I'll let you have the last reply

Im never helping niggers on org again

 

[johncorn]

the philtrum isnt part of the midface buddy, long philtrum can make the midface look longer, but it isnt part of the midface

Wrong again - "The purpose of the present study was to assess upper lip changes following Le Fort I osteotomy for maxillary impaction and advancement". A shorter upper lip length means a shorter midface literally by definition.

As for the rest of your babble, re-read what I said: "Impaction with the right case and movements can shorten the midface a little".

I'll let you have the last reply

 

[geenk worg]

A shorter upper lip length means a shorter midface literally by definition.

we were talking about middle third. i see that the term "midface" has a couple of definitions here but in this context the upper lip thing is irrelevant.

 

[kingofkings]

@johncorn @geenk worg

I'm going off the definition from the person who created the topic, Donald. See his earlier post in the thread:

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Look at these measurements, the midface shortened.

But anyway, in a looksmaxing context like this the midface definition generally includes the philtrum whenever I've seen it discussed... hence why all the midface ratio stuff discussed on org tends to include it

 

[savemebimax]

the philtrum isnt part of the midface buddy, long philtrum can make the midface look longer, but it isnt part of the midface

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Everyone on here when discussing ''midface'' length is talking about the pupils to the upper lip

 

[geenk worg]

@johncorn @geenk worg

I'm going off the definition from the person who created the topic, Donald. See his earlier post in the thread:



But anyway, in a looksmaxing context like this the midface definition generally includes the philtrum whenever I've seen it discussed... hence why all the midface ratio stuff discussed on org tends to include it

Which is kind of retarded if you ask me, because the philtrum area is a an inseparable part of the lower face no matter how you look at it.