Help starting the hardmax journey downgraft bimax/ortho

[disco]

Note: -I’m in the beginning of my research on this (sorry if there’s dumb questions)

I have
-slightly small face
-short piltrum
-malocclusion
-narrow pallet
-minimal teeth gaps

Spoiler: Pictures

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Now my first thought is to go to an airway orthodontist (I already have one picked out) but I’m taking a guess and saying he wouldn’t even consider a Bimax sense my bite isn’t extreme and I’m not very resessed. I just have a short face which is an aesthetic problem and he’s a functional doctor not aesthetics that being said I have no idea who to go to first because I have functional and aesthetics problems I would like to get fixed.

Other concerns:
- I’ve heard it may prevent being able to get gonion angle implants later
- Is my case extreme enough that’s it’s even worth it. Because In my case it’s not very extreme but the fact I’m tall greatly exaggerates in photos of my whole body not just my face.
-ortho will most likely recommend maspe or some kind of expansion which may cause my face to look even shorter and wider. Aswell as may widen my already wide ipd. And will widen my nose but I’ll prob get rhino anyways.


Note: obviously I’m scared of a bimax but I’m willing to do it if it makes drastic/worthy changes

 

[disco]

click on “spoiler” for the rest of the thread (accidentally put the spoiler for the rest of the thread not just the pictures)

 

[BronzeSpartan2]

Note: -I’m in the beginning of my research on this (sorry if there’s dumb questions)

I have
-slightly small face
-short piltrum
-malocclusion
-narrow pallet
-minimal teeth gaps

Spoiler: Pictures

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Now my first thought is to go to an airway orthodontist (I already have one picked out) but I’m taking a guess and saying he wouldn’t even consider a Bimax sense my bite isn’t extreme and I’m not very resessed. I just have a short face which is an aesthetic problem and he’s a functional doctor not aesthetics that being said I have no idea who to go to first because I have functional and aesthetics problems I would like to get fixed.

Other concerns:
- I’ve heard it may prevent being able to get gonion angle implants later
- Is my case extreme enough that’s it’s even worth it. Because In my case it’s not very extreme but the fact I’m tall greatly exaggerates in photos of my whole body not just my face.
-ortho will most likely recommend maspe or some kind of expansion which may cause my face to look even shorter and wider. Aswell as may widen my already wide ipd. And will widen my nose but I’ll prob get rhino anyways.


Note: obviously I’m scared of a bimax but I’m willing to do it if it makes drastic/worthy changes

Bimax would be life changing for you, it looks like you have SFS. Skip the MSE/MARPE.

 

[yussimania]

Bimax would be life changing for you, it looks like you have SFS. Skip the MSE/MARPE.

He still might need MARPE

Great base OP

 

[BronzeSpartan2]

He still might need MARPE

Great base OP

Maybe. No doubt that OP would have an unparalleled ascension from bimax though.

 

[lurking truecel]

why get bimax when no recession at all, doing bimax just for downgraft or ccw is just retarded. also smile normally and show the teeth show. if its not really small you shouldnt even think of bimax. you could prob get away with a down graft genio for 70-80 procent of the profit for 20% procent of the effort and time

 

[yussimania]

View attachment 4978000 why get bimax when no recession at all, doing bimax just for downgraft or ccw is just retarded. also smile normally and show the teeth show. if its not really small you shouldnt even think of bimax. you could prob get away with a down graft genio for 70-80 procent of the profit for 20% procent of the effort and time

This level of tooth show at repose or death

 

[lurking truecel]

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This level of tooth show at repose or death

i mean tooth show is both about gummy smile and lip incompetence, and gregor has too much, he is slighly downward grown in the end

in gregors total relaxed state his lips dont even close, but there are many good looking ones which have this and some jaw surgeons even live it like that for aesthetics

in this pic its even more obv that his lips dont close in total relaxation unless straining

 

[_Lucius]

Bimax is mostly for cases with malocclusion or severe asymmetry. What malocclusion did your ortho say you have? Did they measure overjet, etc?

 

[disco]

Bimax is mostly for cases with malocclusion or severe asymmetry. What malocclusion did your ortho say you have? Did they measure overjet, etc?

Bimax mainly due to my short face syndrome but the other things I have are
-narrow pallet
-sleep apnea
-tounge doesn’t fit in mouth
And then minimal
-over bite
-overjet
-crossbite

 

[yussimania]

Bimax mainly due to my short face syndrome but the other things I have are
-narrow pallet
-sleep apnea
-tounge doesn’t fit in mouth
And then minimal
-over bite
-overjet
-crossbite

Show your smile

A social smile you would do with a group of friends not showing your bite or doing some stupidly wide smile

 

[disco]

Show your smile

A social smile you would do with a group of friends not showing your bite or doing some stupidly wide smile

Ngl I don’t smile with my teeth but I tried

 

[yussimania]

Ngl I don’t smile with my teeth but I tried

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Yeah do trimax for sure

@lurking truecel

 

[disco]

Yeah do bimax for sure

@lurking truecel

Ok, what does the smile show to make you think I should?

 

[lurking truecel]

Ok, what does the smile show to make you think I should?

Have mouth open like dead mouth breathing face and see how much teeth show you have ? Like relaxed face but mouth open

 

[jt__00]

Have mouth open like dead mouth breathing face and see how much teeth show you have ? Like relaxed face but mouth open

may you pm?

 

[disco]

Have mouth open like dead mouth breathing face and see how much teeth show you have ? Like relaxed face but mouth open

I’m a sick chud rn ignore the acne and stubble

 

[lurking truecel]

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I’m a sick chud rn ignore the acne and stubble

Yea you have a few mm downgraft in you. Like 4-5 mm

 

[Animepilled]

Teeth show is determined by a full smile, not a relaxed smile. You dont want to have gum show when you laugh. Aesthetically you don't need a bimax

 

[zemult]

View attachment 4978000 why get bimax when no recession at all, doing bimax just for downgraft or ccw is just retarded. also smile normally and show the teeth show. if its not really small you shouldnt even think of bimax. you could prob get away with a down graft genio for 70-80 procent of the profit for 20% procent of the effort and time

Downgraft genio wouldn't be great at all. He'd become ogre looking. Philtrum is already well on the small side

 

[zemult]

Teeth show is determined by a full smile, not a relaxed smile. You dont want to have gum show when you laugh. Aesthetically you don't need a bimax

@disco Show a full normal smile

 

[disco]

Downgraft genio wouldn't be great at all. He'd become ogre looking. Philtrum is already well on the small side

My thought aswell

 

[disco]

@disco Show a full normal smile

 

[yussimania]

Teeth show is determined by a full smile, not a relaxed smile. You dont want to have gum show when you laugh. Aesthetically you don't need a bimax

When you laugh there should be gum show wdym - also having slightly too much gum show is far better than having none at all (imo)

OP need a bimax for sure bro

 

[zemult]

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And you're like doing a normal smile that you would do in a friend setting? Not like a subtle one

 

[yussimania]

And you're like doing a normal smile that you would do in a friend setting? Not like a subtle one

I mean it makes sense

People with vertical maxillary deficiency won't smile properly out of habit so he isn't used to smiling

 

[zemult]

My thought aswell

GPT's idea of a 4mm downward genio - just starts resembling shrek now

 

[disco]

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GPT's idea of a 4mm downward genio - just starts resembling shrek now

Agreed, I’m not getting surgery’s to make my chin to Philtrum ratio even worse

 

[Animepilled]

When you laugh there should be gum show wdym - also having slightly too much gum show is far better than having none at all (imo)

OP need a bimax for sure bro

it shouldn't really. 1-2mm at most. He could just do lefort downgraft

 

[zemult]

Agreed, I’m not getting surgery’s to make my chin to Philtrum ratio even worse

GPT simulation

 

[yussimania]

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GPT simulation

Holy shit since when did it get this good?

 

[zemult]

Holy shit since when did it get this good?

New GPT image update, looks powerful for morphs, and more even (all those diagrams + info were AI generated)

 

[zemult]

You can also instruct it to do certain things like reducing UEE and such @yussimania

You also have full control to the diagrams and info that you want displayed

 

[yussimania]

You can also instruct it to do certain things like reducing UEE and such @yussimania

You also have full control to the diagrams and info that you want displayed

Man these Turkish surgeons are gonna have a field day with this for their IG marketing

 

[zemult]

Man these Turkish surgeons are gonna have a field day with this for their IG marketing

Temporal lift + canthopexy results

2 days post op, very swollen but you should be able to see the vision Before: After:

looksmax.org

 

[disco]

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GPT simulation

This is really good, do u have a paid version of ChatGPT or what prompt did u use to get this