(High IQ surgerymaxers needed) What surgery is needed to fix this subhuman eye area?

[littlefingers]

besides brutal under eye bags what surgeries are needed? I don't think a simple fat grafting would get the job done right?

 

[yussimania]

probably something like this your supraorbital rim is too high - fat grafting only works if you have a hood to be filled in

Post in thread 'Post the best infraorbital implant ascensions' https://looksmax.org/threads/post-the-best-infraorbital-implant-ascensions.976691/post-14776614

 

[ltn_looksminner]

ngl if u want smthg good orbital decompression but it's brutal

 

[Jesus_ist_König]

Moving ur maxilla forward through le fort should eliminate the eye bags

 

[yussimania]

ngl if u want smthg good orbital decompression but it's brutal

Moving ur maxilla forward through le fort should eliminate the eye bags

terrible advice guys

 

[Jesus_ist_König]

terrible advice guys

Okay, correct me then please

 

[Matthaiass]

orbital implants

 

[Matthaiass]

basically this

 

[yussimania]

Okay, correct me then please

look at a diagram of where the lefort 1 cut is (he is not getting a lefort 2+). It won't change his eyes at all

 

[littlefingers]

probably something like this your supraorbital rim is too high - fat grafting only works if you have a hood to be filled in

Post in thread 'Post the best infraorbital implant ascensions' https://looksmax.org/threads/post-the-best-infraorbital-implant-ascensions.976691/post-14776614

so I would need something like this below

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basically this

yeah I was trying to cope with the fat graft. I am getting my CT scans which I plan on posting (so you guys can see my subhuman skull) near the end of February. Who are some surgeons I should be researching to get this implant?

 

[yussimania]

so I would need something like this below

yeah I was trying to cope with the fat graft. I am getting my CT scans which I plan on posting (so you guys can see my subhuman skull) near the end of February. Who are some surgeons I should be researching to get this implant?

this is one of the few times I would recommend going with @RealSurgerymax if you're serious about getting it done I would contact him

he has an Instagram too @giant.implants

 

[Deleted member 319009]

look at a diagram of where the lefort 1 cut is (he is not getting a lefort 2+). It won't change his eyes at all

Scleral exposure alterations following Le Fort I osteotomy (with and without maxillary impaction) in skeletal class III patients: A before-and-after clinical trial

Exposure of sclera below the iris in natural head positions is aesthetically undesirable. Studies on post-surgical changes in inferior scleral exposur…

www.sciencedirect.com

Not entirely true but not sure how much of a benefit it would be for OP to have less scleral show.

 

[yussimania]

Scleral exposure alterations following Le Fort I osteotomy (with and without maxillary impaction) in skeletal class III patients: A before-and-after clinical trial

Exposure of sclera below the iris in natural head positions is aesthetically undesirable. Studies on post-surgical changes in inferior scleral exposur…

www.sciencedirect.com

Not entirely true but not sure how much of a benefit it would be for OP to have less scleral show.

im not referring to scleral show he doesnt have it

im referring to the upper eye area

thanks for the info tho

 

[yussimania]

@bossman do you think botox could help?

I have hooded eyes with a projected browridge

If i raise my eyebrows all the way my eye area looks kinda similar to OPs with high set eyebrows and the upper lid becoming visible

Generally the eyebrows in men follow the supraorbital rim but eyebrows are also controlled by the frontalis muscle - if i droop my eyebrows even lower with my fingers it completely covers the eye (simulating botox)

 

[littlefingers]

this is one of the few times I would recommend going with @RealSurgerymax if you're serious about getting it done I would contact him

he has an Instagram too @giant.implants

thank you

 

[Jesus_ist_König]

look at a diagram of where the lefort 1 cut is (he is not getting a lefort 2+). It won't change his eyes at all

I didn’t say any numbers. Le fort 3 would do the job for sure.

 

[yussimania]

@bossman do you think botox could help?

I have hooded eyes with a projected browridge

If i raise my eyebrows all the way my eye area looks kinda similar to OPs with high set eyebrows and the upper lid becoming visible

Generally the eyebrows in men follow the supraorbital rim but eyebrows are also controlled by the frontalis muscle - if i droop my eyebrows even lower with my fingers it completely covers the eye (simulating botox)

follow up to this

@littlefingers

Hunter Eye Area with BOTOX to fix Upper Eyelid Exposure?

I thought Botox for eye area was cope but @ascentium posted his eye ascention which he achieved with Botox alone to lower the brow. **edit: these are not my eyes** Before: He asked the doctor this: “showed her a morph of myself with the brow dropped, and described the ‘hooded eyes’ effect...

looksmax.org

try this first

 

[bossman]

@bossman do you think botox could help?

I have hooded eyes with a projected browridge

If i raise my eyebrows all the way my eye area looks kinda similar to OPs with high set eyebrows and the upper lid becoming visible

Generally the eyebrows in men follow the supraorbital rim but eyebrows are also controlled by the frontalis muscle - if i droop my eyebrows even lower with my fingers it completely covers the eye (simulating botox)

I half arsed some measurements on GIMP. I don't think botox would provide sufficient correction here.

Ultimately as you have pointed out, the limiting factor is how low your brow ridge is. You can't keep spamming botox to lower the brow of course. And OP's brow ridge is extremely high.

Spoiler: Ignore this unless you want to read stupid brosciency calculations

I came up with a simple measurement to (very half-arsedly) measure how low the brows are. I measured the pixel distance from the centre of the eyeball to the eyebrow. I then divided it by the eyeball radius. So, the lower this value is, the lower set your brow ridge.

I calculated OP's to be roughly 2.8. Mine is 2, and when I try to move my brows down to simulate botox I can get to about 1.5. For reference, O'Pry is at around 1.2 (his right side where the brow is slightly lower).

So, while Botox would work to a certain extent, I agree with you that brow ridge implants are a serious consideration in this case. I think this sagging fat look is because of how high the brow ridge is. A traditional oculoplastic surgeon would probs suggest an upper bleph and move on. I would advise against fat grafting for the time being as it will continue to have the saggy look.

 

[Nahorscend]

I came up with a simple measurement to (very half-arsedly) measure how low the brows are. I measured the pixel distance from the centre of the eyeball to the eyebrow. I then divided it by the eyeball radius. So, the lower this value is, the lower set your brow ridge.

Value 1 is midpoint of pupil to lowest point of eyebrow I assume.
How do you measure value 2, what is 'eyeball radius'?

 

[littlefingers]

I half arsed some measurements on GIMP. I don't think botox would provide sufficient correction here.

Ultimately as you have pointed out, the limiting factor is how low your brow ridge is. You can't keep spamming botox to lower the brow of course. And OP's brow ridge is extremely high.

Spoiler: Ignore this unless you want to read stupid brosciency calculations

I came up with a simple measurement to (very half-arsedly) measure how low the brows are. I measured the pixel distance from the centre of the eyeball to the eyebrow. I then divided it by the eyeball radius. So, the lower this value is, the lower set your brow ridge.

I calculated OP's to be roughly 2.8. Mine is 2, and when I try to move my brows down to simulate botox I can get to about 1.5. For reference, O'Pry is at around 1.2 (his right side where the brow is slightly lower).

So, while Botox would work to a certain extent, I agree with you that brow ridge implants are a serious consideration in this case. I think this sagging fat look is because of how high the brow ridge is. A traditional oculoplastic surgeon would probs suggest an upper bleph and move on. I would advise against fat grafting for the time being as it will continue to have the saggy look.

yes, my brow ridge is super high so I think implants will be the only thing that can save me.. but now I am thinking after the implants will I need fat grafting too?

 

[IDontBlameAnybody]

I didn’t say any numbers. Le fort 3 would do the job for sure.

And he could sureely get a le fort 3!

 

[bossman]

Value 1 is midpoint of pupil to lowest point of eyebrow I assume.

Correct

How do you measure value 2, what is 'eyeball radius'?

EDITED: What I ended up doing was measuring the pixel width of the iris and dividing it by two. It was just to standardise everything

 

[Nahorscend]

Correct


What I ended up doing was measuring the pixel width of the eyeball and dividing it by two. It was just to standardise everything

Then my ratio is 1.1
The distance from midpupil to either canthus is about equal to the distance from midpupil to lowest point of eyebrow
I need to Rattinanmax asap to cash in

 

[bossman]

Then my ratio is 1.1
The distance from midpupil to either canthus is about equal to the distance from midpupil to lowest point of eyebrow
I need to Rattinanmax asap to cash in

Oh shit sorry I didn't explain it properly. I'm drunk lol. I should have said iris.

In OP's case

This

Divided by

This.

Measuring to the canthus is unreliable as people have varying PFL's, but measuring to the iris is ever so slightly more reliable as there is less variation. The point is to get an absolute measure of how high or low your brow bone is, standardised for photos of varying resolutions, not to get a ratio of it in relation to something else.

Sorry for the confusion

 

[littlefingers]

Oh shit sorry I didn't explain it properly. I'm drunk lol. I should have said iris.

In OP's case

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This

Divided by

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This.

Measuring to the canthus is unreliable as people have varying PFL's, but measuring to the iris is ever so slightly more reliable as there is less variation. The point is to get an absolute measure of how high or low your brow bone is, standardised for photos of varying resolutions, not to get a ratio of it in relation to something else.

Sorry for the confusion

I am mirin the explanations thank you

 

[Nahorscend]

Oh shit sorry I didn't explain it properly. I'm drunk lol. I should have said iris.

In OP's case

View attachment 4565746
This

Divided by

View attachment 4565752
This.

Measuring to the canthus is unreliable as people have varying PFL's, but measuring to the iris is ever so slightly more reliable as there is less variation. The point is to get an absolute measure of how high or low your brow bone is, standardised for photos of varying resolutions, not to get a ratio of it in relation to something else.

Sorry for the confusion

Over then, I have 2.1-2.2
I wonder if proper supra fat grafts will bring it below 2.0 by themselves as they allegedly weigh the eyebrows down.

 

[bossman]

Over then, I have 2.1-2.2
I wonder if proper supra fat grafts will bring it below 2.0 by themselves as they allegedly weigh the eyebrows down.

I’d recommend seeing if there’s any change in any of the Thai fat grafting before/afters.

I’ll probably do this tomorrow

Obviously the brow bone itself doesn’t change, but it’s a matter of perception which I think this measurement is good at.

The point in OP’s case is that 2.8 is so high that no “illusions” whether botox or fat grafting can bring it down to a desirable level.

 

[littlefingers]

I’d recommend seeing if there’s any change in any of the Thai fat grafting before/afters.

I’ll probably do this tomorrow

Obviously the brow bone itself doesn’t change, but it’s a matter of perception which I think this measurement is good at.

The point in OP’s case is that 2.8 is so high that no “illusions” whether botox or fat grafting can bring it down to a desirable level.

with orbital implants will I still need fat grafting after to get that 2.8 to a desirable level?

 

[yussimania]

with orbital implants will I still need fat grafting after to get that 2.8 to a desirable level?

yeah most likely but you would have to wait and see