How to gymcel on carnivore?

[edodalic29]

During the day i have tons of energy , etc but when it comes to working out i can barley do 50s with 2 reps before fatigue kicks in . I almost absolutely need a carbohydrate source or else i feel dead

 

[Sondern]

During the day i have tons of energy , etc but when it comes to working out i can barley do 50s with 2 reps before fatigue kicks in . I almost absolutely need a carbohydrate source or else i feel dead

Then eat carbs lmao

 

[varbrah]

If you power through it your body will get more fat-adapted (better at utilizing ketones for energy) over time, as well as more efficient at gluconeogenesis.

Or, you just take a simple carb supplement pwo / have some fruit. You don’t need to be no carb for the majority of carnivore diet benefits, but the first way is obviously preferable if planning to do it long term.

 

[Account]

Try listening to your body instead of listening to autists recommending carnivore

 

[FootballPlaya69]

Idk but do the opposite of whatever @Prettyboy does

 

[Oberyn]

carnivore diet is a meme you know it right?

 

[Jade]

If you eat death and abuse, what do you expect? Maybe try not to be a criminal and eat nutritious food instead.

 

[Jade]

carnivore diet is a meme you know it right?

Was that a "soy" move, too? Mmm

 

[Prettyboy]

During the day i have tons of energy , etc but when it comes to working out i can barley do 50s with 2 reps before fatigue kicks in . I almost absolutely need a carbohydrate source or else i feel dead

Are you eating zero carbs?

 

[Oberyn]

Was that a "soy" move, too? Mmm

Urban Dictionary: Soy Boy

An effeminate male who’s feelings get hurt far to often, usually resulting in some kinda of pitiful retort or changing of the subject.

www.urbandictionary.com

 

[Jade]

Urban Dictionary: Soy Boy

An effeminate male who’s feelings get hurt far to often, usually resulting in some kinda of pitiful retort or changing of the subject.

www.urbandictionary.com

Dang!! I think I am a "soy boy"!!

 

[edodalic29]

Are you eating zero carbs?

Yes . I eat 5 eggs with cheese for breakfast and i snack on dried meat and cheese til i workout later in the day

 

[Prettyboy]

Yes . I eat 5 eggs with cheese for breakfast and i snack on dried meat and cheese til i workout later in the day

You should add milk before & after you workout like I do

Like 0.5-0.5 liter before & after

Not eating ANY carbs is catabolic

 

[bara]

Just wait till prettyboy appears and nuts all over this thread

 

[bara]

Just wait till prettyboy appears and nuts all over this thread

You should add milk before & after you workout like I do

Like 0.5-0.5 liter before & after

Not eating ANY carbs is catabolic

Literally as I sent it jfl

 

[Ricochet]

Any diet that doesn't let you eat fruit is fucking stupid. Maybe only get carbs on gym days? Like oatmeal

 

[edodalic29]

You should add milk before & after you workout like I do

Like 0.5-0.5 liter before & after

Not eating ANY carbs is catabolic

Have you lost any muscle since starting carnivore? I lost mostly water weight and bloat

 

[varbrah]

If you eat death and abuse, what do you expect? Maybe try not to be a criminal and eat nutritious food instead.

Which nutrients? I’m eager to know.

 

[Jade]

Which nutrients? I’m eager to know.

Anything that does not contain death, abuse and cowardliness. Just don't eat innocent animals.

 

[kalefartbomb]

Eat more calories. Eggs and minced beef are affordable ways to get in clean nutrition. Energy should not be a problem. Btw mods should perma ban anyone promoting plant based shit here, it's like promoting smoking or obesity, it doesn't belong in a looksmaxing forum.

 

[Prettyboy]

Have you lost any muscle since starting carnivore? I lost mostly water weight and bloat

No, but if you completely cut out carbs you can lose muscle. Water weight drop usually occurs at the beginning

 

[Finalcut123]

Keto/Carnivore makes you feel great mentally and is good for cutting.

But building muscle on it? It's possible in theory, however, you just don't find examples on the internet of guys who bulked and built muscles on it.

My experience is that once you go past maintenance calories you start having gastro problems, like acid reflux, gerd, and so on. The high amount of fat is very hard to digest. Also, you lose the mental benefits, because that amount of protein and fat will just kick you out of ketosis anyway.

Not all carbohydrates are created equal though. Lentils are way less antiketogenic than others, and you can eat them at night, have a better sleep, restore glucose, and still be in ketosis by the morning if you are doing it for the cognitive benefits. So maybe after doing an elimination diet, just reintroduce carbs slowly and find out what works for you.

 

[Gandy]

carnivore diet is a meme you know it right?

It's great for losing body fat. Puts your body in ketosis, body starts utilizing fat stores right away once you've been in caloric deficit for 24-48 hours while eating only meat.

Carnivore diet is shit for working out.
You will get way, way better lifting results (and therefore, better muscle hypertrophy) if you eat carbs before a workout.

I have tried to work out while in ketosis and it just doesn't work. You will feel lethargic and bad.

There is no need to demonize carbohydrates. Excess carbs and high blood sugar are bad *if you are trying to lose body fat*.
Excess carbs and glycogen in your system right before lifting heavy weights is a good thing and will give you a huge energy boost.

 

[germanlooks]

Why did you choose a diet which isn’t researched in long term, isn’t done by 99% of people who still live healthy life’s and reach top tier athletic goals etc.
On top it’s expensive as fuck in most countries.

The only reason for you to choose this diet is if your body is legit unable to digest other foods. But this is extremely rare and an individual case.
And in your case your body literally tells you that he needs something else. Jfl

 

[electric_autist]

It is utterly retarded to go on carnivore if you're trying to build muscle. The animals are all fed corn and soy and god knows what else anyway. And at least for me the hardest part of bulking is getting the calories, carnivore makes that way harder. Not to mention the cost of it.

If you want to eat healthier carbs you can eat sourdough bread and sweet potatoes, these have very few anti-nutrients and don't spike blood sugar as much (especially sourdough). Only point in doing carnivore/keto is if you're a mcfatso who can't stop stuffing your face.

 

[Orc]

lifting heavy without carbs sucks ass, keto diets are primarily for lardasses who don't wanna work out.

 

[Finalcut123]

Also, if you are doing it for cognitive benefits, take a look at Ketone Esters. Not the salts.

The ester is a bit expensive, but if you wake up early and skip breakfast, take 15 ml of the ester, you get the same mental clarity of deep ketosis until you eat lunch without having to eat a keto diet at all. You can go high carb with an 8h mental clarity window every day.

 

[softlysoftly]

Btw mods should perma ban anyone promoting plant based shit here, it's like promoting smoking or obesity, it doesn't belong in a looksmaxing forum

utter bullshit and mods should actually ban you for spreading pure misinformation

Fruit and Vegetable Intake and Mortality: Results From 2 Prospective Cohort Studies of US Men and Women and a Meta-Analysis of 26 Cohort Studies - PubMed

Higher intakes of fruit and vegetables were associated with lower mortality; the risk reduction plateaued at ≈5 servings of fruit and vegetables per day. These findings support current dietary recommendations to increase intake of fruits and vegetables, but not fruit juices and potatoes.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Association Between Plant-Based Dietary Patterns and Risk of Type 2 Diabetes

This systematic review and meta-analysis of prospective observational studies quantitatively synthesizes available evidence on the association between plant-based dietary patterns and risk of type 2 diabetes.

jamanetwork.com

Fruit and vegetable consumption and LDL cholesterol: the National Heart, Lung, and Blood Institute Family Heart Study - PubMed

Consumption of fruit and vegetables is inversely related to LDL in men and women.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Health benefits of fruit and vegetables are from additive and synergistic combinations of phytochemicals - PubMed

Cardiovascular disease and cancer are ranked as the first and second leading causes of death in the United States and in most industrialized countries. Regular consumption of fruit and vegetables is associated with reduced risks of cancer, cardiovascular disease, stroke, Alzheimer disease...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Phenol antioxidant quantity and quality in foods: fruits - PubMed

The free and bound phenols have been measured in 20 fruits commonly consumed in the American diet. Phenols were measured colorimetrically using the Folin-Ciocalteu reagent with catechin as the standard after correction for ascorbic acid contribution. On a fresh weight basis, cranberry had the...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

and don't cope by like saying muh 'healthy user bias' that can't be the case when its literally every study and meta-analysis that show people who eat more plants live longer

 

[SteveRogers]

Keto/Carnivore makes you feel great mentally and is good for cutting.

But building muscle on it? It's possible in theory, however, you just don't find examples on the internet of guys who bulked and built muscles on it.

My experience is that once you go past maintenance calories you start having gastro problems, like acid reflux, gerd, and so on. The high amount of fat is very hard to digest. Also, you lose the mental benefits, because that amount of protein and fat will just kick you out of ketosis anyway.

Not all carbohydrates are created equal though. Lentils are way less antiketogenic than others, and you can eat them at night, have a better sleep, restore glucose, and still be in ketosis by the morning if you are doing it for the cognitive benefits. So maybe after doing an elimination diet, just reintroduce carbs slowly and find out what works for you.

Interesting take, certainly 0% chance of acid reflux on carnivore, maybe you’d get that on a fad diet like keto though.
Absolutely never eat a lentil.
Eat fruit before workout OP.

 

[SteveRogers]

utter bullshit and mods should actually ban you for spreading pure misinformation

Fruit and Vegetable Intake and Mortality: Results From 2 Prospective Cohort Studies of US Men and Women and a Meta-Analysis of 26 Cohort Studies - PubMed

Higher intakes of fruit and vegetables were associated with lower mortality; the risk reduction plateaued at ≈5 servings of fruit and vegetables per day. These findings support current dietary recommendations to increase intake of fruits and vegetables, but not fruit juices and potatoes.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Association Between Plant-Based Dietary Patterns and Risk of Type 2 Diabetes

This systematic review and meta-analysis of prospective observational studies quantitatively synthesizes available evidence on the association between plant-based dietary patterns and risk of type 2 diabetes.

jamanetwork.com

Fruit and vegetable consumption and LDL cholesterol: the National Heart, Lung, and Blood Institute Family Heart Study - PubMed

Consumption of fruit and vegetables is inversely related to LDL in men and women.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Health benefits of fruit and vegetables are from additive and synergistic combinations of phytochemicals - PubMed

Cardiovascular disease and cancer are ranked as the first and second leading causes of death in the United States and in most industrialized countries. Regular consumption of fruit and vegetables is associated with reduced risks of cancer, cardiovascular disease, stroke, Alzheimer disease...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Phenol antioxidant quantity and quality in foods: fruits - PubMed

The free and bound phenols have been measured in 20 fruits commonly consumed in the American diet. Phenols were measured colorimetrically using the Folin-Ciocalteu reagent with catechin as the standard after correction for ascorbic acid contribution. On a fresh weight basis, cranberry had the...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

and don't cope by like saying muh 'healthy user bias' that can't be the case when its literally every study and meta-analysis that show people who eat more plants live longer

There you go again

 

[bara]

I went carnivore ish for a week and had the worst shits of my life idk how you people do it.

Would probably have adapted eventually but that shit was agony.

 

[Prettyboy]

It is utterly retarded to go on carnivore if you're trying to build muscle. The animals are all fed corn and soy and god knows what else anyway. And at least for me the hardest part of bulking is getting the calories, carnivore makes that way harder. Not to mention the cost of it.

If you want to eat healthier carbs you can eat sourdough bread and sweet potatoes, these have very few anti-nutrients and don't spike blood sugar as much (especially sourdough). Only point in doing carnivore/keto is if you're a mcfatso who can't stop stuffing your face.

Fat has 9.3 calories per gram vs carbohydrate’s 4.1, I don’t get where people get this idea from that you need carbs for calories

Its stupidly easy to build muscle on carnivore, you just need to increase your milk intake. I’m the living proof of it

 

[softlysoftly]

Fat has 9.3 calories per gram vs carbohydrate’s 4.1, I don’t get where people get this idea from that you need carbs for calories

Its stupidly easy to build muscle on carnivore, you just need to increase your milk intake. I’m the living proof of it

you look dyel in a shirt kid you are just super lean

I went carnivore ish for a week and had the worst shits of my life idk how you people do it.

Would probably have adapted eventually but that shit was agony.

we were never meant to go carnivore and exceptions don't make the rule
look at real carnivores like lions who were meant to be carnivore they have COMPLETELY different GI systems than humans, we literally have long bowels for the process of fermentation so we can produce short chain fatty acids

and the 'plants have muh toxic compounds in them so we shouldn't eat them' argument is also like super retarded because if they were so toxic they sure are doing a horrible job of killing us because people who eat more plants live longer

Fruit and Vegetable Intake and Mortality: Results From 2 Prospective Cohort Studies of US Men and Women and a Meta-Analysis of 26 Cohort Studies - PubMed

Higher intakes of fruit and vegetables were associated with lower mortality; the risk reduction plateaued at ≈5 servings of fruit and vegetables per day. These findings support current dietary recommendations to increase intake of fruits and vegetables, but not fruit juices and potatoes.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[varbrah]

Anything that does not contain death, abuse and cowardliness. Just don't eat innocent animals.

Those aren’t nutrients.

 

[Deleted member 5815]

Sinple old school bodybuilding diet framework

Milk/Dairy products
Fatty meat/organs
Eggs
Shellfish
Fish
Potatoes
White Rice
Olive oil/ Coconut Oil / Butter / Ghee
Fruits
Fermented and seasonal vegetables

 

[Dodevu]

No, but if you completely cut out carbs you can lose muscle. Water weight drop usually occurs at the beginning

How many carbs you on per day?

 

[efidescontinuado]

Fat has 9.3 calories per gram vs carbohydrate’s 4.1, I don’t get where people get this idea from that you need carbs for calories

Its stupidly easy to build muscle on carnivore, you just need to increase your milk intake. I’m the living proof of it

did you consume only raw milk?

 

[Deleted member 16673]

You should add milk before & after you workout like I do

Like 0.5-0.5 liter before & after

Not eating ANY carbs is catabolic

milk is useless unless it’s unpasteurised.

 

[varbrah]

utter bullshit and mods should actually ban you for spreading pure misinformation

Fruit and Vegetable Intake and Mortality: Results From 2 Prospective Cohort Studies of US Men and Women and a Meta-Analysis of 26 Cohort Studies - PubMed

Higher intakes of fruit and vegetables were associated with lower mortality; the risk reduction plateaued at ≈5 servings of fruit and vegetables per day. These findings support current dietary recommendations to increase intake of fruits and vegetables, but not fruit juices and potatoes.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Association Between Plant-Based Dietary Patterns and Risk of Type 2 Diabetes

This systematic review and meta-analysis of prospective observational studies quantitatively synthesizes available evidence on the association between plant-based dietary patterns and risk of type 2 diabetes.

jamanetwork.com

Fruit and vegetable consumption and LDL cholesterol: the National Heart, Lung, and Blood Institute Family Heart Study - PubMed

Consumption of fruit and vegetables is inversely related to LDL in men and women.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Health benefits of fruit and vegetables are from additive and synergistic combinations of phytochemicals - PubMed

Cardiovascular disease and cancer are ranked as the first and second leading causes of death in the United States and in most industrialized countries. Regular consumption of fruit and vegetables is associated with reduced risks of cancer, cardiovascular disease, stroke, Alzheimer disease...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Phenol antioxidant quantity and quality in foods: fruits - PubMed

The free and bound phenols have been measured in 20 fruits commonly consumed in the American diet. Phenols were measured colorimetrically using the Folin-Ciocalteu reagent with catechin as the standard after correction for ascorbic acid contribution. On a fresh weight basis, cranberry had the...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

and don't cope by like saying muh 'healthy user bias' that can't be the case when its literally every study and meta-analysis that show people who eat more plants live longer

These studies all confer a highly superficial view of how foods work.

Plant antioxidants are total garbage and a biochemical drop in the bucket compared to glutathione and other endogenously produced molecules, or even plain old Vitamin C.

Any indirect increase in antioxidant activity by plant foods occurs IN RESPONSE to systemic damage generated by the phytotoxins and defense chemicals commonly found in veggies. This hormetic response is basically net zero and not worth it at all.

The only reason you might live a longer amount of time on a plant-based diet is because all of your anabolic and hormonal pathways become depressed. Enjoy the longer lifespan… with garbage energy levels, libido, skin/hair, all the while slowly falling apart at the cellular level due to net catabolism.

 

[Gandy]

I don’t get where people get this idea from that you need carbs for calories

Its stupidly easy to build muscle on carnivore, you just need to increase your milk intake. I’m the living proof of it

Milk has 5g of sugar per 100ml though. And 3g of protein.

Milk has more sugar than protein

Health Benefits of Milk

Find out what nutrients are in milk and learn how it is still a great choice for everything from workout recovery to preventing osteoporosis.

www.webmd.com

 

[softlysoftly]

These studies all confer a highly superficial view of how foods work.

Plant antioxidants are total garbage and a biochemical drop in the bucket compared to glutathione and other endogenously produced molecules, or even plain old Vitamin C.

Any indirect increase in antioxidant activity by plant foods occurs IN RESPONSE to systemic damage generated by the phytotoxins and defense chemicals commonly found in veggies. This hormetic response is basically net zero and not worth it at all.

The only reason you might live a longer amount of time on a plant-based diet is because all of your anabolic and hormonal pathways become depressed. Enjoy the longer lifespan… with garbage energy levels, libido, skin/hair, all the while slowly falling apart at the cellular level due to net catabolism.

more claims with no evidence to back them
hmmm I wonder why

 

[kalefartbomb]

I've never had energy problems on zero carbs and in fact my natty PRs were all set on carnivore. I think a lot of people especially younger people who try zero carb or carnivore probably do a shit version of it to save money, like with lots of whey protein and crap like that instead of meat and eggs. To eat enough animal food to gain mass - say 3000 calories - is a lot of food and it's going to be way more satiating than eating 5000 calories of pasta and oats. It's not cheap either. When I set my natty PRs I was eating about a kilo of meat every day, 12-15 whole eggs, and a ton of dairy mainly raw cheeses. I was stronger and looked better than when I was eating a typical bro diet with rice/oats/beans and crap like that.

People who think you need carbs to gain muscle/strength just don't know wtf they are talking about. There isn't even a mechanism by which carbs would be essential for gains. Insulin spike anabolism supposedly, when protein is also insulinogenic and far more anabolic.

 

[edodalic29]

I've never had energy problems on zero carbs and in fact my natty PRs were all set on carnivore. I think a lot of people especially younger people who try zero carb or carnivore probably do a shit version of it to save money, like with lots of whey protein and crap like that instead of meat and eggs. To eat enough animal food to gain mass - say 3000 calories - is a lot of food and it's going to be way more satiating than eating 5000 calories of pasta and oats. It's not cheap either. When I set my natty PRs I was eating about a kilo of meat every day, 12-15 whole eggs, and a ton of dairy mainly raw cheeses. I was stronger and looked better than when I was eating a typical bro diet with rice/oats/beans and crap like that.

People who think you need carbs to gain muscle/strength just don't know wtf they are talking about. There isn't even a mechanism by which carbs would be essential for gains. Insulin spike anabolism supposedly, when protein is also insulinogenic and far more anabolic.

I don’t indulge in any powder supplements. Instead what i’ll do is eat alot of eggs . Cheap source of protein and has lots of fats . I’ll be on zero carbs all day but right before my workout i’ll have a small carb with some milk .

 

[StacyCorruptor]

my grandpa ate 3 loafs of bread everyday and never got fat, he was skinny shredded
carbs dont make you fat, added sugar does

 

[varbrah]

more claims with no evidence to back them
hmmm I wonder why

Because you’re a faggot retard.

I’m absolutely not going to waste time building a well-structured argument in response to your low effort URL dump of studies you aren’t smart enough to deconstruct/evaluate.

 

[softlysoftly]

Because you’re a faggot retard.

I’m absolutely not going to waste time building a well-structured argument in response to your low effort URL dump of studies you aren’t smart enough to deconstruct/evaluate.

more name calling yet no evidence to dispute what I said
all it would take is to post evidence to shut me down yet you haven't done that because you know deep down im right and you are wrong
keep pushing your fad fringe diets though we'll see how far that gets you

 

[varbrah]

more name calling yet no evidence to dispute what I said
all it would take is to post evidence to shut me down yet you haven't done that because you know deep down im right and you are wrong
keep pushing your fad fringe diets though we'll see how far that gets you

The virgin concern fag vs the chad adhominem.

JFL if you think I care about changing your mind or winning a formal debate against you.

 

[softlysoftly]

I care about changing your mind or winning a formal debate against you.

you can't 'win' this debate against me because you are objectively wrong you fucking imbecile

 

[varbrah]

you can't 'win' this debate against me because you are objectively wrong you fucking imbecile

cope.

you don’t know what you don’t know and I’m not going to waste time trying to educate you on those things.

 

[softlysoftly]

cope.

you don’t know what you don’t know and I’m not going to waste time trying to educate you on those things.

you could easily shut me up by like providing evidence but you'd rather put on this act of false superiority
you just look like a fool mate just stfu