How to know if you have the "base" to ascend

[Deleted member 41390]

OBO, LL, Lefort

If u have to run game its kinda over, id rather kms than have to even do any effort for girls.

Tell them you have a forum contributor badge you won’t need to.

 

[Deleted member 33711]

LL is bullshit and is such a waste of money. If you have the money for LL anyways why waste that amount on a coping surgery.

If you aren’t like giga manlet tier with a long wing span ll is retarded

Nah ngl, being under 5’10 is BRUTAL nowadays. Every foid’s expectations of men are over 6’ now.

 

[Vermilioncore]

What if im perfectly fine looking but my only downfall is fright

 

[ElTruecel]

Nah ngl, being under 5’10 is BRUTAL nowadays. Every foid’s expectations of men are over 6’ now.

Not brutal enough to waste 100k to get a few inches.

 

[soover4me]

Reply with how many of these 9 failos you have

None

 

[Deleted member 33711]

Not brutal enough to waste 100k to get a few inches.

Few inches is a big difference lol, going from 5’9 to 6’+ is a huge smv boost

 

[soover4me]

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Longer the chin the better, get sliding geno NOW

 

[ElTruecel]

Few inches is a big difference lol, going from 5’9 to 6’+ is a huge smv boost

Not worth the risks and shit proportions from it

 

[Deleted member 64942]

Im unironically going to but not for a few years, sliding is for recessed chins tho. Verticle is for height

I'll be doing vertical w/ jaw angles soon. I'll share my results over DM as long as no one leaks my shit

 

[Greycel Slayer]

If you have any of these failos, it will be much more difficult to ascend (not impossible)




-1 Narrow IPD
View attachment 2855835

this surgery requires orbital box osteotomy which few surgeons will consider performing on you, it is extremely dangerous and expensive.

I had modified Orbital Box Osteotomy and Implants by Surgerymax. AMA

Hello everyone! I am a long time lurker on .org and a dedicated hardmaxxer - some of you might know me as monke from looksmax related group chats. I’m here to discuss the planning, share my personal experience, and answer questions regarding the whole process of the modified Orbital Box...

looksmax.org

user who got OBO from @RealSurgerymax
-Unfortunately almost no one will get OBO, its basically a pipedream in 2024




-2 Narrow FWHR
View attachment 2855838
You really cant fix a narrow FWHR without some crazy tripod osteotomy, MSE seems like a meme for widening the face/zygos signifigantly
I mark this an "unfixable failo"
View attachment 2855841





-3 Bad frame
View attachment 2855864

Currently there isnt a hip narrowing surgery (I looked everywhere) and clavicle lengthening is extremely expensive for 2-3 inch max






-4 Small skull
View attachment 2855842
enough said.







-5 short face syndrome (SFS)
View attachment 2855844
pretty narrow midface ratio, not the shortest ive seen but first guy I thought of.
Lefort 2 downgrafting can fix this but like I said, highly unlikely you will get lefort.






-6 Short
View attachment 2855845
You will never fix your height, LL is more of a pipedream than OBO at 200k+ and never being able to jump again.
View attachment 2855847
The recover is no joke






-7 Severe Jaw and Chin recession
View attachment 2855850
when you are this recessed it will be quite hard to fix, major ascension from pre-op but still a normie tier jaw.







-8 Maxilla recession
View attachment 2855854
Good results, but unless you are a severe case like above, it will be hard to find a blackpilled surgeon who will perform a lefort for aesthetics







-9 Long philtrum
View attachment 2855858
very unfixable failo, lip lift leaves aspie scars and ruins the midface ratio, and smile.







-10 Phenotype
View attachment 2855876

Pic sums it up well, can cope with some lightening stuff i suppose




-I stated above I said these are UNLIKELY to be fixed, dont come at me for blackpilling. Lets be realistic for a second guys, these are difficult failos to fix.


almost all the ascensions you see dont have these failos, look at salludon, crisick, amnesia. The before pics are examples of the base needed to ascend that hard.

Give this shit to Africans faggot

 

[Greycel Slayer]

Yeah jfl its comical how stupid he looks

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If I saw him in real life I'd instantly know he's wearing lifts

Lmfao bro looks like a faggot in that shit. If I saw him on the streets I’d think he is a gaytard

 

[kt4x_w]

Im unironically going to but not for a few years, sliding is for recessed chins tho. Verticle is for height

How did ur lowerthird giga ascend from when u were a teencel saar

 

[Greycel Slayer]

How did ur lowerthird giga ascend from when u were a teencel saar

One word. MEWING

JFL

 

[Deleted member 21147]

I have always felt like being clowned for a small skull is a meme in PSL circles, have never seen a girl comment on that ever, besides obvious deformities. Bad frame is a way larger failo than that imo

 

[Offensive Bias]

"Add having a dog shit pfl"
Not unfixable at all, actually very viable options

Elab on this in detail. What type of surgery lengthens pfl that much?

 

[soover4me]

I'll be doing vertical w/ jaw angles soon. I'll share my results over DM as long as no one leaks my shit

Pm me when

 

[mog_me]

If you have any of these failos, it will be much more difficult to ascend (not impossible)




-1 Narrow IPD
View attachment 2855835

this surgery requires orbital box osteotomy which few surgeons will consider performing on you, it is extremely dangerous and expensive.

I had modified Orbital Box Osteotomy and Implants by Surgerymax. AMA

Hello everyone! I am a long time lurker on .org and a dedicated hardmaxxer - some of you might know me as monke from looksmax related group chats. I’m here to discuss the planning, share my personal experience, and answer questions regarding the whole process of the modified Orbital Box...

looksmax.org

user who got OBO from @RealSurgerymax
-Unfortunately almost no one will get OBO, its basically a pipedream in 2024




-2 Narrow FWHR
View attachment 2855838
You really cant fix a narrow FWHR without some crazy tripod osteotomy, MSE seems like a meme for widening the face/zygos signifigantly
I mark this an "unfixable failo"
View attachment 2855841





-3 Bad frame
View attachment 2855864

Currently there isnt a hip narrowing surgery (I looked everywhere) and clavicle lengthening is extremely expensive for 2-3 inch max






-4 Small skull
View attachment 2855842
enough said.







-5 short face syndrome (SFS)
View attachment 2855844
pretty narrow midface ratio, not the shortest ive seen but first guy I thought of.
Lefort 2 downgrafting can fix this but like I said, highly unlikely you will get lefort.






-6 Short
View attachment 2855845
You will never fix your height, LL is more of a pipedream than OBO at 200k+ and never being able to jump again.
View attachment 2855847
The recover is no joke






-7 Severe Jaw and Chin recession
View attachment 2855850
when you are this recessed it will be quite hard to fix, major ascension from pre-op but still a normie tier jaw.







-8 Maxilla recession
View attachment 2855854
Good results, but unless you are a severe case like above, it will be hard to find a blackpilled surgeon who will perform a lefort for aesthetics







-9 Long philtrum
View attachment 2855858
very unfixable failo, lip lift leaves aspie scars and ruins the midface ratio, and smile.







-10 Phenotype
View attachment 2855876

Pic sums it up well, can cope with some lightening stuff i suppose




-I stated above I said these are UNLIKELY to be fixed, dont come at me for blackpilling. Lets be realistic for a second guys, these are difficult failos to fix.


almost all the ascensions you see dont have these failos, look at salludon, crisick, amnesia. The before pics are examples of the base needed to ascend that hard.

Short, not enough chin projection

 

[Offensive Bias]

chewing and roids

Isn't that insertion dependant though? Did it improve your gonions from side and front heavily? Any before and afters?

 

[Offensive Bias]

Oh yea forgot about that. Didn't know it actually increased pfl. Is that why it's considered different to canthoplasty?

 

[DelonLover1999]

All unfixable failos are either related to vertical proportions of the maxilla/orbitals, the orbitals and eyes themselves, or mandible morphology (which is fixable to some extent, tho)

Those are the things that can't realistically be altered through surgery

Ofc phenotype is valid but almost any pheno can have very gl people, so it's more about how your features fit within the average that group.

 

[DelonLover1999]

Oh yea forgot about that. Didn't know it actually increased pfl. Is that why it's considered different to canthoplasty?

It doesnt really make the pfl signficantly higher, just makes the eye shape more 'anterior' (basically pushing the exocanthion further back and up, revealing more of the eyeball)

@Clavicular

 

[Deleted member 65020]

Reply with how many of these 9 failos you have

@DelonLover1999 i have 7

 

[DelonLover1999]

@DelonLover1999 i have 7

More like 3-4 actually

 

[Deleted member 65020]

More like 3-4 actually

i also consider myself short and having a small skull

bad fwhr and maybe narrow ipd - i guess i dont have actual narrow ipd but my medial canthus makes them seem close set

is my fwhr really that bad?

 

[Deleted member 65020]

@DelonLover1999 i have 7

@Clavicular you are my .org nemesis

 

[DelonLover1999]

i also consider myself short and having a small skull

bad fwhr and maybe narrow ipd - i guess i dont have actual narrow ipd but my medial canthus makes them seem close set

is my fwhr really that bad?

No, its normal

Same with esr, same with skull size from the pics you sent

 

[Deleted member 65020]

why

you said to me shut the fuck up graycel and laugh at my unfixable flaws

 

[dragomaxxer]

Half of these can be fixed if you went to a decent surgeon

how low iq can you get? he literally aknowledges this in the thread, saying muh surgeon can fix these is pointless because of how unlikely it is that theyd even get the surgeries or even be able to afford them if they were set on getting them.

even with the surgery to fix these a lot of these failos often come in pairs the surgeries would probably be more than one regardless just for you to get the base point that youd be then be able to ascend from

every reply ive seen you make in threads is braindead man ngl

 

[Deleted member 39838]

0-2 depending if 1.8 fwhr is considered low enough for a flaw, same with 5’10. feel like it’s borderline

 

[6PSLcel]

If you have any of these failos, it will be much more difficult to ascend (not impossible)




-1 Narrow IPD
View attachment 2855835

this surgery requires orbital box osteotomy which few surgeons will consider performing on you, it is extremely dangerous and expensive.

I had modified Orbital Box Osteotomy and Implants by Surgerymax. AMA

Hello everyone! I am a long time lurker on .org and a dedicated hardmaxxer - some of you might know me as monke from looksmax related group chats. I’m here to discuss the planning, share my personal experience, and answer questions regarding the whole process of the modified Orbital Box...

looksmax.org

user who got OBO from @RealSurgerymax
-Unfortunately almost no one will get OBO, its basically a pipedream in 2024




-2 Narrow FWHR
View attachment 2855838
You really cant fix a narrow FWHR without some crazy tripod osteotomy, MSE seems like a meme for widening the face/zygos signifigantly
I mark this an "unfixable failo"
View attachment 2855841





-3 Bad frame
View attachment 2855864

Currently there isnt a hip narrowing surgery (I looked everywhere) and clavicle lengthening is extremely expensive for 2-3 inch max






-4 Small skull
View attachment 2855842
enough said.







-5 short face syndrome (SFS)
View attachment 2855844
pretty narrow midface ratio, not the shortest ive seen but first guy I thought of.
Lefort 2 downgrafting can fix this but like I said, highly unlikely you will get lefort.






-6 Short
View attachment 2855845
You will never fix your height, LL is more of a pipedream than OBO at 200k+ and never being able to jump again.
View attachment 2855847
The recover is no joke






-7 Severe Jaw and Chin recession
View attachment 2855850
when you are this recessed it will be quite hard to fix, major ascension from pre-op but still a normie tier jaw.







-8 Maxilla recession
View attachment 2855854
Good results, but unless you are a severe case like above, it will be hard to find a blackpilled surgeon who will perform a lefort for aesthetics







-9 Long philtrum
View attachment 2855858
very unfixable failo, lip lift leaves aspie scars and ruins the midface ratio, and smile.







-10 Phenotype
View attachment 2855876

Pic sums it up well, can cope with some lightening stuff i suppose




-I stated above I said these are UNLIKELY to be fixed, dont come at me for blackpilling. Lets be realistic for a second guys, these are difficult failos to fix.


almost all the ascensions you see dont have these failos, look at salludon, crisick, amnesia. The before pics are examples of the base needed to ascend that hard.

Water tbh, but read nonetheless

 

[wollet2]

Injuries post LL are a meme, once I get LL I’ll take roids and hgh

where will u get ll

 

[wollet2]

dont be chink

 

[hello12344]

SFS is one of the most fixable failos ever, you dont do a Lefort2 downgraft jfl. It’s fixed with a regular bimax with a downgraft so its just Lefort1.

 

[Abhorrence]

small skull aint too bad

 

[Deleted member 31971]

Honestly dude I cba I will get lefort 2/3 , obo and document my case

 

[iam good boy]

If you have any of these failos, it will be much more difficult to ascend (not impossible)




-1 Narrow IPD
View attachment 2855835

this surgery requires orbital box osteotomy which few surgeons will consider performing on you, it is extremely dangerous and expensive.

I had modified Orbital Box Osteotomy and Implants by Surgerymax. AMA

Hello everyone! I am a long time lurker on .org and a dedicated hardmaxxer - some of you might know me as monke from looksmax related group chats. I’m here to discuss the planning, share my personal experience, and answer questions regarding the whole process of the modified Orbital Box...

looksmax.org

user who got OBO from @RealSurgerymax
-Unfortunately almost no one will get OBO, its basically a pipedream in 2024




-2 Narrow FWHR
View attachment 2855838
You really cant fix a narrow FWHR without some crazy tripod osteotomy, MSE seems like a meme for widening the face/zygos signifigantly
I mark this an "unfixable failo"
View attachment 2855841





-3 Bad frame
View attachment 2855864

Currently there isnt a hip narrowing surgery (I looked everywhere) and clavicle lengthening is extremely expensive for 2-3 inch max






-4 Small skull
View attachment 2855842
enough said.







-5 short face syndrome (SFS)
View attachment 2855844
pretty narrow midface ratio, not the shortest ive seen but first guy I thought of.
Lefort 2 downgrafting can fix this but like I said, highly unlikely you will get lefort.






-6 Short
View attachment 2855845
You will never fix your height, LL is more of a pipedream than OBO at 200k+ and never being able to jump again.
View attachment 2855847
The recover is no joke






-7 Severe Jaw and Chin recession
View attachment 2855850
when you are this recessed it will be quite hard to fix, major ascension from pre-op but still a normie tier jaw.







-8 Maxilla recession
View attachment 2855854
Good results, but unless you are a severe case like above, it will be hard to find a blackpilled surgeon who will perform a lefort for aesthetics







-9 Long philtrum
View attachment 2855858
very unfixable failo, lip lift leaves aspie scars and ruins the midface ratio, and smile.







-10 Phenotype
View attachment 2855876

Pic sums it up well, can cope with some lightening stuff i suppose




-I stated above I said these are UNLIKELY to be fixed, dont come at me for blackpilling. Lets be realistic for a second guys, these are difficult failos to fix.


almost all the ascensions you see dont have these failos, look at salludon, crisick, amnesia. The before pics are examples of the base needed to ascend that hard.

I know this shit

I need to buy a good shotgun and blow my face while live recording

 

[arab_chink]

how low iq can you get? he literally aknowledges this in the thread, saying muh surgeon can fix these is pointless because of how unlikely it is that theyd even get the surgeries or even be able to afford them if they were set on getting them.

even with the surgery to fix these a lot of these failos often come in pairs the surgeries would probably be more than one regardless just for you to get the base point that youd be then be able to ascend from

every reply ive seen you make in threads is braindead man ngl

Hes talking about if it’s surgical possible not if you got cash. Otherwise wtf is the point of the thread.

 

[Diarrhoea]

How do u know if u have tall skull do u just compare with other people in group pics or what?

 

[halloweed]

I forgot pheno somehow LOL

add bimaxillary protrusion

 

[Deleted member 57464]

i got most of these

 

[FaceIsLaw]

How do u know if u have tall skull do u just compare with other people in group pics or what?

Just measure it

 

[ggg.tv🤫]

If you have any of these failos, it will be much more difficult to ascend (not impossible)




-1 Narrow IPD
View attachment 2855835

this surgery requires orbital box osteotomy which few surgeons will consider performing on you, it is extremely dangerous and expensive.

I had modified Orbital Box Osteotomy and Implants by Surgerymax. AMA

Hello everyone! I am a long time lurker on .org and a dedicated hardmaxxer - some of you might know me as monke from looksmax related group chats. I’m here to discuss the planning, share my personal experience, and answer questions regarding the whole process of the modified Orbital Box...

looksmax.org

user who got OBO from @RealSurgerymax
-Unfortunately almost no one will get OBO, its basically a pipedream in 2024




-2 Narrow FWHR
View attachment 2855838
You really cant fix a narrow FWHR without some crazy tripod osteotomy, MSE seems like a meme for widening the face/zygos signifigantly
I mark this an "unfixable failo"
View attachment 2855841





-3 Bad frame
View attachment 2855864

Currently there isnt a hip narrowing surgery (I looked everywhere) and clavicle lengthening is extremely expensive for 2-3 inch max






-4 Small skull
View attachment 2855842
enough said.







-5 short face syndrome (SFS)
View attachment 2855844
pretty narrow midface ratio, not the shortest ive seen but first guy I thought of.
Lefort 2 downgrafting can fix this but like I said, highly unlikely you will get lefort.






-6 Short
View attachment 2855845
You will never fix your height, LL is more of a pipedream than OBO at 200k+ and never being able to jump again.
View attachment 2855847
The recover is no joke






-7 Severe Jaw and Chin recession
View attachment 2855850
when you are this recessed it will be quite hard to fix, major ascension from pre-op but still a normie tier jaw.







-8 Maxilla recession
View attachment 2855854
Good results, but unless you are a severe case like above, it will be hard to find a blackpilled surgeon who will perform a lefort for aesthetics







-9 Long philtrum
View attachment 2855858
very unfixable failo, lip lift leaves aspie scars and ruins the midface ratio, and smile.







-10 Phenotype
View attachment 2855876

Pic sums it up well, can cope with some lightening stuff i suppose




-I stated above I said these are UNLIKELY to be fixed, dont come at me for blackpilling. Lets be realistic for a second guys, these are difficult failos to fix.


almost all the ascensions you see dont have these failos, look at salludon, crisick, amnesia. The before pics are examples of the base needed to ascend that hard.

For a long philtrum just grow a moustache

 

[datboijj]

-4 Small skull

enough said.

 

[datboijj]

Amnesia is below 5’10 btw

and frauds to 6ft1

 

[whiteislandpill]

And Normies still claim 'It's never over' JFL

 

[Deleted member 53670]

BBCs rest assured this post doesn’t apply to you.

 

[Deleted member 47699]

If you have any of these failos, it will be much more difficult to ascend (not impossible)




-1 Narrow IPD
View attachment 2855835

this surgery requires orbital box osteotomy which few surgeons will consider performing on you, it is extremely dangerous and expensive.

I had modified Orbital Box Osteotomy and Implants by Surgerymax. AMA

Hello everyone! I am a long time lurker on .org and a dedicated hardmaxxer - some of you might know me as monke from looksmax related group chats. I’m here to discuss the planning, share my personal experience, and answer questions regarding the whole process of the modified Orbital Box...

looksmax.org

user who got OBO from @RealSurgerymax
-Unfortunately almost no one will get OBO, its basically a pipedream in 2024




-2 Narrow FWHR
View attachment 2855838
You really cant fix a narrow FWHR without some crazy tripod osteotomy, MSE seems like a meme for widening the face/zygos signifigantly
I mark this an "unfixable failo"
View attachment 2855841





-3 Bad frame
View attachment 2855864

Currently there isnt a hip narrowing surgery (I looked everywhere) and clavicle lengthening is extremely expensive for 2-3 inch max






-4 Small skull
View attachment 2855842
enough said.







-5 short face syndrome (SFS)
View attachment 2855844
pretty narrow midface ratio, not the shortest ive seen but first guy I thought of.
Lefort 2 downgrafting can fix this but like I said, highly unlikely you will get lefort.






-6 Short
View attachment 2855845
You will never fix your height, LL is more of a pipedream than OBO at 200k+ and never being able to jump again.
View attachment 2855847
The recover is no joke






-7 Severe Jaw and Chin recession
View attachment 2855850
when you are this recessed it will be quite hard to fix, major ascension from pre-op but still a normie tier jaw.







-8 Maxilla recession
View attachment 2855854
Good results, but unless you are a severe case like above, it will be hard to find a blackpilled surgeon who will perform a lefort for aesthetics







-9 Long philtrum
View attachment 2855858
very unfixable failo, lip lift leaves aspie scars and ruins the midface ratio, and smile.







-10 Phenotype
View attachment 2855876

Pic sums it up well, can cope with some lightening stuff i suppose




-I stated above I said these are UNLIKELY to be fixed, dont come at me for blackpilling. Lets be realistic for a second guys, these are difficult failos to fix.


almost all the ascensions you see dont have these failos, look at salludon, crisick, amnesia. The before pics are examples of the base needed to ascend that hard.

Long philtrum is an easy fix with a subnasal lip lift if performed by a good surgeon. It can be done with local anesthesia, it will only fuck up your midface ratio if it's already like 1.05-1.2 or some shit, it'll be a miracle for my 0.95 midface. Those gay results u see in the web can be avoided only if ur upper lip is absolute shit, which mine is. It depends on multiple factors for a lip lift to either look gay or good.

Also narrow fhwr is an easy fix with cheek implants/eyebrow lowering/lip lift, unless your zygos are already too wide for ur ipd.

Otherwise very good thread and I agree to most points

 

[currycelll]

I have an 1.65 fwhr is that bad

 

[Deleted member 65517]

I only have philtrum falio but it’s pretty bad

 

[shalomnigga]

Not worth the risks and shit proportions from it

So what do u want manlets to do then? kill them self fucking retard