How to make a Face Puller appliance for @CopeAndRope's Face Puller or For Face Bow

Now I am at Failure #5 (I think). Once again, I couldn't get my bite to close, and in the process of attempting this shaved off too much material causing the device to snap. Now my gums are bleeding from so many test fits and I burred off some skin on my finger.

Absolute ragefuel, but I know what I am doing wrong. I need deeper impression trays so that I can get better impressions of the back of my gums. I also need to 'float' the metal facebow in the acrylic so I can create room between my gums and the arches of the appliance.

If that fails, I am making the Dowden appliance and risking an overbite. I can get BSSO funded by insurance that way.

That is the last of my materials as well. I will order more, but first will ask dentist if he knows any ortho's who do MSE since I am in for teeth cleaning. It's a long shot, but he might take a look for me
 
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BlackPillChad said:
Now I am at Failure #5 (I think). Once again, I couldn't get my bite to close, and in the process of attempting this shaved off too much material causing the device to snap. Now my gums are bleeding from so many test fits and I burred off some skin on my finger.

Absolute ragefuel, but I know what I am doing wrong. I need deeper impression trays so that I can get better impressions of the back of my gums. I also need to 'float' the metal facebow in the acrylic so I can create room between my gums and the arches of the appliance.

If that fails, I am making the Dowden appliance and risking an overbite. I can get BSSO funded by insurance that way.

That is the last of my materials as well. I will order more, but first will ask dentist if he knows any ortho's who do MSE since I am in for teeth cleaning. It's a long shot, but he might take a look for me
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You can combine the Dowden appliance with the bow puller for no risk of overbite
 
Waiting for astro the coper to steal the thread
 
Has anybody here tried to make the appliance with the nail acrylics already? Because it's almost impossible to find the right stuff as a non-dentist in Germany
 
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NoBonezForMoanz said:
Has anybody here tried to make the appliance with the nail acrylics already? Because it's almost impossible to find the right stuff as a non-dentist in Germany
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I have added links to buy acrylic (aka autopolimerizable resin) from ebay.co.uk (british ebay). This site ships to germany too
the products are sold in big quantities and monomer+polymer cost 150
 
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Lorsss said:
I have added links to buy acrylic (aka autopolimerizable resin) from ebay.co.uk (british ebay). This site ships to germany too
the products are sold in big quantities and monomer+polymer cost 150
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Thanks, but I saw a pic of your setup somewhere where you had the polymer and monomer from DuraLay, is it any good? I found a relatively cheap source from spain which doesn't take ages to ship

@nelson Do you recommend to make the Dowden V2 appliance over the original one for using it with the Bow? Noticed any differences in pressure across the maxilla?
 
NoBonezForMoanz said:
Thanks, but I saw a pic of your setup somewhere where you had the polymer and monomer from DuraLay, is it any good? I found a relatively cheap source from spain which doesn't take ages to ship
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Duralay resin (monomer+polymer) is extremely good
 
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To be honest i havent builded the facepuller yet . By 3 times ive failed , if i fail another time i will not have enough acrylic to make one again . I also dont have enough money to buy more acrylic
 
Still waiting for y'all to get results
 
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I dont trust the Dowden appliance , its foundamentally flawed by the fact that you need the delaire mask to wear it ,and it prevent the chin ( and lower jaw) to grow forward. @nelson

And also the fact that you cant close your teeth because of the big ass nails , tnh @nelson what went trought your mind when you made this appliance ?
 
GoMadAndSTFU said:
I dont trust the Dowden appliance , its foundamentally flawed by the fact that you need the delaire mask to wear it ,and it prevent the chin ( and lower jaw) to grow forward. @nelson

And also the fact that you cant close your teeth because of the big ass nails , tnh @nelson what went trought your mind when you made this appliance ?
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I mean you could technically combine the headstrap with the bow, so no contact with the chin, still sucks that your teeth cannot touch tho

Gonna go for a bimax anyway after having moneymaxxed and facepulled for some time because at 19yo my mandible ain't gonna grow much anymore I guess
 
GoMadAndSTFU said:
I dont trust the Dowden appliance , its foundamentally flawed by the fact that you need the delaire mask to wear it ,and it prevent the chin ( and lower jaw) to grow forward. @nelson
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the Delaire Mask (also known as facemask or reverse pull headgear) does not only prevent the lower jaw to grow forward, it actually pushes it back, infact it is used by dentists to shorten the lower jaw in underbite patients
 
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Melo95 said:
Still waiting for y'all to get results
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This night I managed for the first time to wear the facepuller all night.
The appliance I built first was very tight on the gums and made me feel a lot of pain.

in future I will build a new version of facepuller appliance that prevents gums pain and is able to handle much more strength
 
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NoBonezForMoanz said:
@nelson Do you recommend to make the Dowden V2 appliance over the original one for using it with the Bow? Noticed any differences in pressure across the maxilla?
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Yes, it applies more pressure to the back of the maxilla, and it is more evenly distributed pressure across the palate.
GoMadAndSTFU said:
I dont trust the Dowden appliance , its foundamentally flawed by the fact that you need the delaire mask to wear it ,and it prevent the chin ( and lower jaw) to grow forward. @nelson

And also the fact that you cant close your teeth because of the big ass nails , tnh @nelson what went trought your mind when you made this appliance ?
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Mike mew has stated that keeping the teeth sealed can actually prevent CCW rotation. The teeth do not need to be sealed. Also, I agree, the appliance that makes contact with the chin wasn’t the best idea. You can simply replace it with the cope and rope appliance, but you still need the elastic band that pulls upward on the maxilla. You can also replace it with the BOW.
 
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nelson said:
Yes, it applies more pressure to the back of the maxilla, and it is more evenly distributed pressure across the palate.

Mike mew has stated that keeping the teeth sealed can actually prevent CCW rotation. The teeth do not need to be sealed. Also, I agree, the appliance that makes contact with the chin wasn’t the best idea. You can simply replace it with the cope and rope appliance, but you still need the elastic band that pulls upward on the maxilla. You can also replace it with the BOW.
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Link ? As far as my knowledge go non sealed teeths may lead to ccw rotation but mike mew also stated that you need to keep your teeths sealed, while, mewing . And honestly , non sealed teeth is thea cause of mouth breathing

Your appliance may push the maxilla forward but , even with the neck brace ( also can you make a drawing because ii dont understand how the neck brace facepuller can work with your device, ) but im pretty sure it will make you finish with a weak ass backward grown jaw
 
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GoMadAndSTFU said:
Link ? As far as my knowledge go non sealed teeths may lead to ccw rotation but mike mew also stated that you need to keep your teeths sealed, while, mewing . And honestly , non sealed teeth is thea cause of mouth breathing

Your appliance may push the maxilla forward but , even with the neck brace ( also can you make a drawing because ii dont understand how the neck brace facepuller can work with your device, ) but im pretty sure it will make you finish with a weak ass backward grown jaw
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No, your jaw has a few mm of forward growth being held back, then you need bsso for crazy gains. but most people can get at least 5mm.
 
nelson said:
No, your jaw has a few mm of forward growth being held back, then you need bsso for crazy gains. but most people can get at least 5mm.
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Caged , can you answer my post please
 
Do I just ask my ortho for an essix retainer? I've had the one that's bad for tongue posture for at least a year
 
the thread is yours until astro sky steals it.
Good job providing more shit for his youtube channel.
Couldn't you at least write it in google docs and pmed people who deserve it?
Good thread btw.
 
Marsiere214 said:
the thread is yours until astro sky steals it.
Good job providing more shit for his youtube channel.
Couldn't you at least write it in google docs and pmed people who deserve it?
Good thread btw.
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I mog ur avi irl
 
nelson said:
We gotta set up a fight
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Alright but i wanna see a pic of u.
I promise i will not show it to anyone nor download it cuz im not gay/faggot.
 
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Any b4 and after photos yet?
 
cuz if this works ill invest
 
Hi guys i want to buy the face bow because i don’t think to be able to build a face puller , but i don’t understand if i need something else to use it
 
Any updates on this:?
 
Can i wear this with braces?
 
nelson said:
Yes this is all theory though and if you are over 15 there’s really no point
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I'm already 16 years old, but I'll try anyway, if it goes wrong I'll at least make sure that the only solution is surgery.
 
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Cauã said:
I'm already 16 years old, but I'll try anyway, if it goes wrong I'll at least make sure that the only solution is surgery.
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It can’t really go wrong
 
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The good old copium nelsons days
 
You can just wrap 30 elastic bands around your upper palate just above the teeth, and then harness the face puller to that with your pulling elastic bands
 
nelson said:
Yes this is all theory though and if you are over 15 there’s really no point
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how old were you when you tried the facepuller, how long did you use it, what happened ultimately, and also the video in OP is dead--could you direct me to where I can find a video explaining how to make the appliance
 
lmao he removed the video but I already archived it 2 years ago
 
Do not necro bump threads.
Bumping this thread anyone have the video?
 
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Shout out to the one and only
@CopeAndRope

Shout out to my brothers
@wagbox @Alcezar @my_babel_physics_pro

In this guide by @CopeAndRope you can see how to build a facepuller with a neck brace and steel brackets.

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HOW TO PULL YOUR MAXILLA FORWARD [DEFINITIVE GUIDE]

DISCLAIMER: I'm not a doctor, I'm not an orthodontist, I'm just a random guy on the internet with a slightly recessed maxilla. You're personally responsible for your choices, actions and results, this guide is for informational purposes only...
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I wish you luck everyone. Pool your money with a friend, or sell appliances to people if you want to make the money back. All of this equipment will be useable with an upcoming guide for another orthodontic appliance that I came up with while making this video.

If you have issues in making the alginate impression, you may check this video where a orthodontics professor explains how to do it.

WARNING: Some users (like Lorsss) recommend to carve the gypsum with the dremel when the acrylic model is finished, in order to detach the acrylic appliance from the gypsum without breaking the appliance. If you exert a lever on the appliance to remove it immediately as shown in the video, there is a huge risk of breaking the appliance and needing start over again

Links (most of theese products are only shipped to USA)

Impression Trays (All sizes) https://amzn.to/2sXPr9m

Alginate https://amzn.to/2Rm0Zwe

Mixing Spatula https://amzn.to/2NVrBlN

Yellow Buff Stone https://amzn.to/2ROePqr

Lab Vibrator (Not necessary - Good to have) https://amzn.to/2NVeUr2

Dremel (Cheap) https://amzn.to/2RNCFSX

Dremel (Used in the video) https://amzn.to/2RG1GQ8

Dental Burrs https://amzn.to/2NWt774

Sanding Drums https://amzn.to/2NWc59n

Separator https://www.greatlakesdentaltech.com/great-lakes-separator-8-oz_175-034.html

Polymer https://amzn.to/2Rkaqwe

Monomer https://www.greatlakesdentaltech.com/monomer-light-blue-8-oz_040-026.html

Monomer Dispenser https://amzn.to/2GigtuX

Face Bow (Necessary - Replacement for paper clip used in the video) https://amzn.to/38EDIM5

Pressure Pot (Cheap - Used in the video) https://amzn.to/2TTEsca

Pressure Pot (Better) https://amzn.to/2NVfogQ

Pressure Pot (Pro) https://www.greatlakesdentaltech.co...ustable-temperature-pressure-pot_225-040.html Expander (For guide coming next week) https://amzn.to/3aD12LZ

If you live outside of USA you may check:

@Chadelite @Don't Forget to mew @OOGABOOGA @Extra Chromosome @GetThatBread @Rift678 @Bobbu flay @Chintuck22 @Lorsss @Leo0509 @PrettyBoyMaxxing @Fuk @so_cold97 @Titbot @Rob Paul'sHeight [USER=3918]@BlackPillChad @her @Yoyome99 @Averagecel @Maxillacel @ZyzzReincarnate @StuffedFrog @athnico @Darkstrand @GarixTheChad @MaxxedOut @BigBoy @Ritalincel @facemaxxed

Forgot to mention @LordNorwood @Golden Glass

Sorry if I forgot to mention you.
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F1 face puller >>> and takes 5 minutes
 
anyone has the video?
 
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