How to start YOUR First Cycle for Late Teens/Young Adults [EASY TO START + PRICES]

[einis.]

If you aren't going to run testoesterone for at least 8-12 months, don't even run it. Your body needs time to adapt to the new anaoblic environment.

At your age, Testosterone will masculinize your face and Jaw.

As for HGH, you can use the source everyone else on this forum uses, QSC. They do 500 IU's for $350 USD. And they are third party tested.

If you DM me, I'll send you the source.

The thing is 99% of packages containing drugs that enters norway gets seized so it has to be a source from inside norway

Do you have a solution?

 

[krieg]

Weird question but where is everyone finding test bru, literally had tracy and angels number saved but fuckin lost em and now I see every cel just posting about indiamart

On Google Search up your country followed by UGL Labs so for me I would do UK UGL Labs you'll likely see a bunch of sources and posts from bodybuilding forums then just look through

 

[krieg]

Very good thread my test is coming in 2 weeks I'm about to be 18 in August but it should be all good

 

[AyooooDan81]

Supraphysiological testosterone, it's in the name, Supra, Beyond Natural. With that comes responsibility. Every benefit has potential downside

After you’ve stabilized on your dose:

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I use same needle for everything injected, all injections are SubQ. For HGH, Test, MT1, hCG, etc.

I've injected pretty much in every SubQ region. And honestly:

- Stomach is the worst for me, it's usually the most painful
- Lovehandles/hip fat has been pretty consistent, L-Caratine injections burn bad there but only SOMETIMES.
- Lower hips (like where the butt and leg connect) has been very good, pretty much painless
- The King of Injection spots has been my ass cheek. Literally so much fat back there its almost always painless.

Would it be sketchy to sub Q inject 175mg of test e every Monday / Thursday i use a 31g to pin my peps and that doesnt hurt high key scared of pinning IM with a 29G

 

[Faustum]

Would it be sketchy to sub Q inject 175mg of test e every Monday / Thursday i use a 31g to pin my peps and that doesnt hurt high key scared of pinning IM with a 29G

Do NOT do 2x a week.

I did that, I had the worst bloat and was very irritable.

Look at the spikes you get, this is what you don't want.

One of the reasons exogenous Testosterone is superior to natural Testosterone is that you can have STABLE levels every day.

Do 5x a week minimum, and ideally daily. But 5x a week is a good compromise.

I'd not recommend Test E. I did Test E SubQ and it gives you LARGE lumps that are harmless but they get sore and look very ugly. What you want is Testosterone Cypionate.

 

[Faustum]

The thing is 99% of packages containing drugs that enters norway gets seized so it has to be a source from inside norway

Do you have a solution?

You should have a domestic market in your country.


You need to search body building forums in your country.

 

[Firstname.Lastname]

Just remember if Accutane wont work for you, there are lasers that shrink sebaceous glands. So no one really should have acne at this point even on roids.

 

[Bunnyonroids]

Great thread im currently on week 3 on 500mg test e a week and 0.5 arimdex weekly im feeling more fuller i might add hcg anavar and Accutane later on i'll do my blood work at week 5 or 4 also my first post here

 

[Faustum]

Great thread im currently on week 3 on 500mg test e a week and 0.5 arimdex weekly im feeling more fuller i might add hcg anavar and Accutane later on i'll do my blood work at week 5 or 4 also my first post here

The bloat for me was brutal because of the E2, it was probably a good idea to start on an AI tbf.

As for hCG, Its literally dirt cheap. I just bought 10 vials of 6000IU HCG for $100 USD.

I'd recommend looking into HGH once you get to the 13-15th week mark, that is when I started to see noticeable size gains. Test and HGH work well together.

 

[Faustum]

The ULTIMATE Guide for First-Time Testosterone Users (2026)

THIS IS THE ONLY TIME IN ALL OF HISTORY TO INJECT, FEEL, AND POSSESS LEVELS OF TESTOSTERONE NO OTHER MAN HAS HAD BEFORE... AND YOU ARE GOING TO MISS OUT ON THIS?

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“It is a shame for a man to grow old without seeing the beauty and strength of which his body is capable.”

Why Do You Want Supraphysiological levels of Testosterone?
When you inject exogenous testosterone, your blood levels become far more stable than they ever were naturally. Even if you had “normal” natural levels (400–700 ng/dL), they still fluctuated daily. On 300–600 mg/week injected properly, you will experience stable Testosterone levels throughout the day IF you are pinning 5x-7x a week.


The most famous study on Supra Levels of Testosterone is Bhasin 1996

In this study, normal men were given 600 mg of testosterone enanthate per week for 10 weeks. The most important group in this study was the group that was ON Supraphysiological levels of T and DID NOT WORK OUT.

The group that received testosterone without training gained significantly MORE muscle mass and strength than the group that trained naturally without testosterone.


THIS is why you want to be at supraphysiological levels of Testosterone.

At this level, everything is significantly improved.
Protein Synthesis goes way up (20-40% depending on person)
Nutrient partitioning, more of what you eat goes toward building muscle instead of fat.
The most noticeable and life changing thing will be going from Low T (200-400) to Supra T, I would liken to second puberty.

WHAT ARE YOUR GOALS?
Confidence? Supra T will do this.
Muscle Gain? Supra T will do this.
Libido? Supra T will do this.
Drive? Supra T will do this.
Amazing Energy Levels? Supra T will do this.
Mental Clarity? Supra T will do this.
Insane Recovery? Supra T will do this.
Permanent Muscle Memory? Supra T will do this.

If you are under 25:
You’re still in a window where higher testosterone can enhance masculine features over time. Increased jaw density and masseter thickness, broader shoulders and upper chest, and Fat redistribution away from the face and lower body. But these are SLOW and TAKE TIME. Hence why the most important part we will speak on is:

How Long Should My First Cycle Be?

9-12 Months minimum.
Why?

The first 4–8 weeks are quick strength, fullness, and mental changes from elevated hormones and water/glycogen. I was going to do one vial of T when I first started, and thought that was good enough. But once you feel 2000ng, it's hard to go back.

Permanent muscle growth, you'll develop new myonuclei and contractile tissue which ONLY accelerates after week 8–10 and continues strongly through months 4–12.

( ! ) Running shorter cycles for 8–12 weeks is retarded, you are LEAVING right as the best gains are starting to compound. ( ! )

A longer first cycle gives you time to learn how your body responds, dial in estrogen management, bloodwork, training, and diet. all while building significant muscle memory that stays with you even if you eventually cruise or come off.

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What Are The Side Effects? How Can I Counter Them?

Supraphysiological testosterone, it's in the name, Supra, Beyond Natural. With that comes responsibility. Every benefit has potential downsides. The good news is that most sides are manageable IF you stay PROACTIVE with bloodwork, supplements, and YOUR lifestyle.​

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1. ESTROGEN
Water retention, facial puffiness, mood swings, irritability, increased anger, possible gyno sensitivity. Mine was very high.
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HOW TO COUNTER HIGH ESTROGEN
Use Aromasin AFTER BLOODTEST I was a super aromatizer, but you might not be. Higher fat = more aromatization. If you CRUSH your E2 you will be miserable. STAY HYDRATED.
Aromasin cost $60 USD​

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2. FERTILITY
Your natural LH/FSH shuts down, balls shrink and sperm production drops.

This happens because your body believes you have too much Testosterone, and therefore, you are not needing to produce your own. So to counter this, we are going to REPLACE LH with hCG, which will be taken LH's place.

HOW TO COUNTER BALL ATROPHY + MAINTAIN SPERMATOGENESIS
Run hCG at 750-1,000 IU per week. 60,000 IU's of hCG cost $100 USD. This will cover you for 80 weeks IF you run 750 IU's a week.​

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3. RBC (Red Blood Cell Count)
When at very high levels of Testosterone, you will produce more RBC, Hematocrit can rise, blood pressure can increase, HDL often drops, LDL can rise.

( ! ) ALL CARDIOVASCULAR BLACK BOX LABELS WERE REMOVED FROM TESTOSTERONE IN 2025 BY FDA ( ! )
(LINK)
HOW TO COUNTER HIGH RBC
Donate blood if HCT goes above 52%. So you basically get to save other peoples lives and keep RBC in check. Not really a downside.
LOWERING your Testosterone Dosage is also an option.
Monitor your Blood Pressure at home once a week.​

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4. HAIR LOSS & ACNE
DHT accelerates male pattern baldness (if predisposed to it) and increases oiliness/acne.

HOW TO COUNTER ACNE AND HAIRLOSS
Finasteride 1.25 mg daily blocks most DHT conversion.
Oral Minoxidil 2.5 mg daily helps maintain and regrow hair. Also slightly lowers BP
Accutane 40–60 mg, this is extremely effective for acne/oil control, check Liver while on this. Permanently will shrink pores (W)

5. OXIDATIVE STRESS (Long Term Usage 6-12 months)
When you run supraphysiological testosterone for a long time, your body produces significantly more ROS. This comes from your newly increased metabolic rate and newly elevated red blood cell count.

IF you left this unchecked, OS can damage your cells, accelerate aging, and harm your lipids. The good news is that it’s highly manageable with the right support.


I take a comprehensive stack that is made to counter the oxidative load from Supra T:​

NAC (N-Acetylcysteine) 1200 mg – Directly boosts glutathione, the body’s master antioxidant. Essential for neutralizing ROS and protecting the liver (especially useful while on Accutane). IF YOU CAN AFFORD TO, INJECT GLUTATHIONE DIRECTLY, THE MASTER ANTI-OXIDANT OF YOUR BODY, NAC IS CHEAPER.

Alpha Lipoic Acid (ALA) 600 mg – Regenerates other antioxidants (including glutathione and CoQ10) and supports mitochondrial health.

Coenzyme Q10 (CoQ10) 200 mg – Protects mitochondria from oxidative damage and supports heart health as red blood cell count rises.

Omega-3 Fish Oil (3600 mg total, high EPA/DHA) – Anti-inflammatory that helps protect lipids and reduces systemic oxidative stress.

Magnesium 400–500 mg – Reduces inflammation and supports cellular energy production.

Vitamin D 6000 IU – Helps modulate immune response and lowers oxidative stress markers.

Semax Nasal Spray (100–200 mcg daily) – This is a strong neuroprotective and antioxidant effects in the brain. Increases BDNF and helps protect neurons from oxidative stress caused by high androgens and training.

$80–120 USD per month for full stack.
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What Should I Take To Support My Body At Supra Levels of T
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Cialis (Tadalafil) 5 mg daily - Dirt cheap, great boners. AND It's Cardioprotective.

hCG 750 IU per week (350 IU, 2x per week) - Prevents severe testicular atrophy and helps preserve spermatogenesis

Aromasin 12.5 mg, 3x per week - Keeps estradiol in a healthy range. Prevents gyno, facial bloat, water retention, mood swings, and irritability caused by high Estrogen.

See above this section for Oxidative Stress Stack + Hair Loss Stack
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Recommended Dosage Progression
300–350 mg of Testosterone per week 4-8 weeks
This is the ideal starting range for most first-timers. It put me at 2000ng/dL. This dosage alone will give you noticeable benefits in muscle gains, strength, energy, and confidence while keeping side effects VERY manageable.

At this level, you will figure out how bad your body aromatizes into Estrogen, how your hematocrit responds, and how you feel mentally before pushing higher.​

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400-450 mg of Testosterone per week 8-15 weeks (After Bloodwork)
This is the sweet spot for most men. The jump from 300–350 mg to 400 mg will give you improvement in gains, your recovery, and overall feeling without a massive spike in sides, why? Because managed them FIRST on the lower dosage, now our body is ready for more, and we know how we respond.
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500-600 mg of Testosterone per week 16+ weeks (Run for 4-9 weeks, return to 325-400)
This is still within a “clinical supraphysiological” range, if you even care about staying within the clinical dosage ranges. Going above 600 mg will likely bring you diminishing returns and a much steeper increase in side effects.​

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What Compounds Actually Pairs Well With Testosterone
Once you’re comfortable with testosterone alone, many users consider adding other anabolic compounds to enhance results. The smartest additions are those that COMPLIMENT testosterone, because Testosterone is our anabolic BASE.

Human Growth Hormone (HGH)
One of the most popular add-ons while on Testosterone. Why?
Testosterone builds muscle through androgen receptors, your AR density is genetic. HGH works through a completely different pathway through increasing IGF-1 in the Liver, nutrient partitioning, and lipolysis.

Test will drive your protein synthesis and strength, HGH will aid in your fat loss and recovery. It also gives you better skin quality, joint health, and sleep.

Beginner / Fat-loss focused: 2 IU per day
Standard effective dose: 3 IU per day (most common sweet spot)
Advanced: 4–6 IU per day (higher sides and cost)

500 IU's with 96.4% Purity is around $350 USD.

@Zagro has written an in-depth thread on HGH:
https://looksmax.org/threads/hgh-101-everything-you-need-to-know.1423722/

Recommended Bloodwork Schedule
Baseline (Before Starting Cycle)
- Total Testosterone + Free Testosterone
- Sensitive Estradiol (E2)
- LH + FSH
- Prolactin
- CBC (includes Hematocrit, Hemoglobin, RBC)
- Lipid Panel (HDL, LDL, Triglycerides)
- PSA (Prostate Specific Antigen)
- Liver Enzymes (ALT, AST, ALP)
- SHBG

How to get Bloodwork Requistions I show in this thread
https://looksmax.org/threads/free-bloodtest-and-prescriptions-method.1941922/#post-27196406

Week 6–8 (First On-Cycle Check)
After you’ve stabilized on your dose:

- Sensitive Estradiol (E2) – Most important early marker
- CBC / Hematocrit / Hemoglobin
- Lipid Panel
- Total Testosterone (to confirm levels)
- Prolactin (optional but useful)

Every 3 Months (Ongoing Monitoring)
Once you’re past the initial 8 weeks:
- Sensitive Estradiol (E2) > Aim for 73–183 pmol/L
- CBC / Hematocrit / Hemoglobin > Keep under 52%. Donate blood if it goes higher.
- Lipid Panel > Watch HDL, ideally >40 mg/dL and LDL. Omega-3 helps a lot here.
- PSA > Should stay in normal range. Any big jump needs attention.
- Liver Enzymes > Monitor closely while on Accutane.
- Prolactin (if previously elevated)

PCT (For Men with Fat Pussies)
Post Cycle Therapy
If for some reason you needed or wanted to come off Testosterone, here is how you'd go about it.

Most guys mess this part up. Retards either cold-turkey it and crash hard, or they run an outdated PCT that leaves them with low energy, lost gains, and depressed for months. Don’t be that guy.

Taper the Dose (4–6 weeks)
Do not go from 400 mg straight to zero. Drop gradually:
Weeks 1–2: Drop to 300 mg/week
Weeks 3–4: Drop to 200 mg/week

Weeks 5–6: Drop to 100 mg/week (or 150 mg if you feel too bad)
This slow taper gives your body time to start restarting natural production instead of slamming the brakes and crashing

Run a Proper PCT
Once you’re at 100–150 mg/week or lower, start PCT:

hCG – 1000–1500 IU every other day for 2 weeks (highly recommended if you were on hCG on-cycle)
Clomid– 50 mg daily for 4 weeks, then 25 mg daily for 2 weeks
Nolvadex (Tamoxifen) – 20 mg daily for 4 weeks, then 10 mg daily for 2 weeks
(You can run both Clomid + Nolvadex together for better results)

Total PCT length should be 6–8 weeks after your last testosterone injection.

We taper off slowly, which won't give us a hormonal crash, we use hCG to jumpstart our Testes, and then we use CLomid and Nolvadex to block E2 and signal our pituitary and simulate our natural LH/FSH Production again.


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Why Being Natural Is Cope

There is NOTHING Natural about modern society.

Anyone who says they want to try the "natural" way to raise T or moralsplain to you on why you should not take Exogenous Hormones, tell them that next time they get infection, don't take antibiotics, those aren't natural, in fact, none of modern medicine, so just die to an infected cut. Cars? Very unnatural, use a horse, or better yet, walk.

But they won't, because cars, and other unnatural things are convenient. Injecting Exogenous Testosterone is not only MORE convenient but it's even SUPERIOR to Endogenous Testosterone.

People every day take advantage of the most unnatural habits, do not join them in their sheep-like delusions. Never before have you had MORE tools at your disposal to ascend, to become a better man. Do it now or regret it. Do not aim to live the longest, down to the last second, but to live to the fullest.​

Wish I could update original thread section on the HGH recommendation, but this explains it well:



HGH = better AAS results
AAS = better HGH results


Androgens increase GH receptor expression in muscle tissue, more GH receptors per cell means greater sensitivity to circulating HGH (super awesome). Meaning the same dose of exogenous HGH produces a larger anabolic signal in an androgen-rich environment.

Testosterone specifically increases IGF-1 receptor density in muscle, amplifying the downstream effects of HGH-driven IGF-1 production (double benefit).

IGF-1 increases androgen receptor expression and nuclear translocation efficiency.

The same amount of AAS produces a greater transcriptional response in a high IGF-1 environment.

 

[Faustum]

Great thread im currently on week 3 on 500mg test e a week and 0.5 arimdex weekly im feeling more fuller i might add hcg anavar and Accutane later on i'll do my blood work at week 5 or 4 also my first post here

Don't know much on Armidex. Aromasin is an AI suicide so it kill the aromatization into Estrogen.

I did anavar, 33mg for 4 weeks it was very mid tbh, your Testosterone is doing 98% of the work.

Accutane is a good addition. Run it for 12 months and after that you'll have permanently shrunk pores and only have to run a maintenance dosage after and you'll never have acne again.

 

[Faustum]

Very good thread my test is coming in 2 weeks I'm about to be 18 in August but it should be all good

What's your planned cycle duration?

 

[krieg]

What's your planned cycle duration?

I was originally going to make my cycle this https://looksmax.org/threads/cycle-omg-omg-omg.1937933/ with some tweaks but I might just copy what ur saying here and add my own compounds and run it for way longer it was gonna be for 20 weeks definitely gonna tweak it though

 

[aelimaeli]

good thread but im just a pussy and dont wanna pin cuz im new to the gym
theoretical but how much dht do you really gain when on that level of test? surely not enough to be using fin, also why not dut its better at 90% and i heard its good for some other stuff too

 

[Faustum]

I was originally going to make my cycle this https://looksmax.org/threads/cycle-omg-omg-omg.1937933/ with some tweaks but I might just copy what ur saying here and add my own compounds and run it for way longer it was gonna be for 20 weeks definitely gonna tweak it though

100% run it longer than 20 weeks, if you want permeant muscle nucelli to develop in your muscle tissue.

Natural take 5-7 years to get what you can achieve on Anabolics in 1-2 years. It's gotta be long term, and once you feel Supra T levels you wont want to go back.

I thought I was only going to do a 8 week cycle JFL.

Why so high on the HGH btw? Are you in puberty?

 

[Faustum]

good thread but im just a pussy and dont wanna pin cuz im new to the gym
theoretical but how much dht do you really gain when on that level of test? surely not enough to be using fin, also why not dut its better at 90% and i heard its good for some other stuff too

Injecting T was one of the best things you can do to Improve your life, and you being a pussy.

9-12% of your total Testosterone is converted into DHT roughly. Finasteride will keep you fine, if you want more coverage you can use Dut.

As my thread stated, this is the ONLY time you can ever experience Supra levels of Testosterone, the main male hormone, and you really are going to give this up?

Also working out as a natural is COMPLETE cope. You will workout for YEARS in what you can achieve in 12 months on Anabolics.

As I stated in my thread, the group that DID NOT WORK OUT and was on 600mg of Test a week GAINED MORE lean mass than the natural group that worked out 5 days a week.

 

[krieg]

100% run it longer than 20 weeks, if you want permeant muscle nucelli to develop in your muscle tissue.

Natural take 5-7 years to get what you can achieve on Anabolics in 1-2 years. It's gotta be long term, and once you feel Supra T levels you wont want to go back.

I thought I was only going to do a 8 week cycle JFL.

Why so high on the HGH btw? Are you in puberty?

High on the hgh because I’m 17 and my plates are still slightly open I’m 6’0 so ima try just max out whatever I can

 

[Faustum]

High on the hgh because I’m 17 and my plates are still slightly open I’m 6’0 so ima try just max out whatever I can

Okay that's good then.

But remember, all the studies on HGH are on idiopathic height disorders, and they did 8 IU's for 12-24 months and an AI.

Get your Estrogen as low as you can without getting low E2 to delay the closure of your plates. And I'd recommend doing 10 IU's minimum.

 

[hopefulllarp]

The ULTIMATE Guide for First-Time Testosterone Users (2026)

THIS IS THE ONLY TIME IN ALL OF HISTORY TO INJECT, FEEL, AND POSSESS LEVELS OF TESTOSTERONE NO OTHER MAN HAS HAD BEFORE... AND YOU ARE GOING TO MISS OUT ON THIS?

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Do think hopping on at 15 is a good Idea? Ive been thinking about it for a long time and dont really see a reason, not to.
I dont think im going up to 500mg cause i cant really pay for tests every few weeks wich i would wanna do at that dose.
Also Im looking at Halo rn and may add it for 2 weeks (I saw some other guy get crazy results in that short period and dont wanna do it longer, cause Im not looking for a liver rape) at about 5mg per day.
The only thing im bothered about are my plates

 

[aelimaeli]

Injecting T was one of the best things you can do to Improve your life, and you being a pussy.

9-12% of your total Testosterone is converted into DHT roughly. Finasteride will keep you fine, if you want more coverage you can use Dut.

As my thread stated, this is the ONLY time you can ever experience Supra levels of Testosterone, the main male hormone, and you really are going to give this up?

Also working out as a natural is COMPLETE cope. You will workout for YEARS in what you can achieve in 12 months on Anabolics.

As I stated in my thread, the group that DID NOT WORK OUT and was on 600mg of Test a week GAINED MORE lean mass than the natural group that worked out 5 days a week.

yea i know
also theoretically test will increase dick size because more dht
am i right

 

[Faustum]

yea i know
also theoretically test will increase dick size because more dht
am i right

You are correct, yes.

But you should rub DHT gel around your private parts. And figure out every method possible to raise DHT ONLY during puberty.


If you take Testosterone you WILL aromatize into MORE Estrogen. ESTROGEN will close your growth plates early if you do not control it with an AI (Aromatase Inhibitor)

 

[Faustum]

Do think hopping on at 15 is a good Idea? Ive been thinking about it for a long time and dont really see a reason, not to.
I dont think im going up to 500mg cause i cant really pay for tests every few weeks wich i would wanna do at that dose.
Also Im looking at Halo rn and may add it for 2 weeks (I saw some other guy get crazy results in that short period and dont wanna do it longer, cause Im not looking for a liver rape) at about 5mg per day.
The only thing im bothered about are my plates

If your plates are open, I'd only run a TRT dosage of Testosterone, but you should check to see your levels.

If your growth plates are open, you need to get on an Aromatase inhibitor, this will counter your Estrogen and keep it low to allow the plates to stay open the longest. You need to also be on HGH at 8-10 IU's daily to see meaningful growth over 12-24 months.

You need to not take too much of the AI or you will get Low E2, which sucks.


Don't overcomplicated the stack.
250mg of Testosterone Cypionate a week, do 5 injections a week (so split 250 across 5 injections for that week) and take a slight aggressive amount of AI. Also run HGH, this is the ONLY time you'll ever be able to grow, and the world is brutal to SHORT & Average people.

 

[aelimaeli]

You are correct, yes.

But you should rub DHT gel around your private parts. And figure out every method possible to raise DHT ONLY during puberty.


If you take Testosterone you WILL aromatize into MORE Estrogen. ESTROGEN will close your growth plates early if you do not control it with an AI (Aromatase Inhibitor)

nah id rather just hop on test instead of buying dht gel jfl
plus ive seen facts where dht gel only works on micropenis or something
yea im just doing my research before i hop on test
ill hop on when im 17-18 which is in like a year

 

[aelimaeli]

If your plates are open, I'd only run a TRT dosage of Testosterone, but you should check to see your levels.

If your growth plates are open, you need to get on an Aromatase inhibitor, this will counter your Estrogen and keep it low to allow the plates to stay open the longest. You need to also be on HGH at 8-10 IU's daily to see meaningful growth over 12-24 months.

You need to not take too much of the AI or you will get Low E2, which sucks.


Don't overcomplicated the stack.
250mg of Testosterone Cypionate a week, do 5 injections a week (so split 250 across 5 injections for that week) and take a slight aggressive amount of AI. Also run HGH, this is the ONLY time you'll ever be able to grow, and the world is brutal to SHORT & Average people.

what would you consider to be short/average?

 

[Faustum]

nah id rather just hop on test instead of buying dht gel jfl
plus ive seen facts where dht gel only works on micropenis or something
yea im just doing my research before i hop on test
ill hop on when im 17-18 which is in like a year

Why would DHT only work on a micropenis?

You know micro penises most of the time come from a DHT Deficiency right? There's Testosterone Gel as well that's effective, same with DHT gel. I highly recommend it.

I'd not delay hopping on, if growth plates are closed especially, you should hop on ASAP. The longer you delay, the less likely it'll happen.

 

[Faustum]

what would you consider to be short/average?

5'10 and below.

 

[hopefulllarp]

If your plates are open, I'd only run a TRT dosage of Testosterone, but you should check to see your levels.

If your growth plates are open, you need to get on an Aromatase inhibitor, this will counter your Estrogen and keep it low to allow the plates to stay open the longest. You need to also be on HGH at 8-10 IU's daily to see meaningful growth over 12-24 months.

You need to not take too much of the AI or you will get Low E2, which sucks.


Don't overcomplicated the stack.
250mg of Testosterone Cypionate a week, do 5 injections a week (so split 250 across 5 injections for that week) and take a slight aggressive amount of AI. Also run HGH, this is the ONLY time you'll ever be able to grow, and the world is brutal to SHORT & Average people.

Can I inj subq

 

[Faustum]

Can I inj subq

Yes. I do all my peptides and Testosterone SubQ. You use Testosterone Cypionate, that's the Ester that is super clean with SubQ and little to no oil lumps. My first ever Test dosage was Testosterone Ethanate SubQ, and that gave me large welts of oil, they are harmless, but ugly.

Test Cyp is king, and SubQ is MOST of the time entirely painless when you inject in ass cheek or love handles.

 

[krieg]

Okay that's good then.

But remember, all the studies on HGH are on idiopathic height disorders, and they did 8 IU's for 12-24 months and an AI.

Get your Estrogen as low as you can without getting low E2 to delay the closure of your plates. And I'd recommend doing 10 IU's minimum.

Yeah i was gonna do what you outlined
Aromasin
Hgh
I wanted to add in tren also but I’m not sure how to properly incorporate it into the cycle how many mg should I do

 

[ThomasDeutsch]

 

[aelimaeli]

Why would DHT only work on a micropenis?

You know micro penises most of the time come from a DHT Deficiency right? There's Testosterone Gel as well that's effective, same with DHT gel. I highly recommend it.

I'd not delay hopping on, if growth plates are closed especially, you should hop on ASAP. The longer you delay, the less likely it'll happen.

my issue is that i keep travelling here and there between countries and it is hard to sustain a cycle like that, since you cant smuggle anabolic steroids through countries
i stay in a country for 2 months and then as soon as there is school break i go back to another country for the whole summer etc.

also im saying that dht gel WORKS BETTER for micropenises, and less likely on normal penises
ur right that dht can work for both
also hopping on test without a dht blocker is pretty shit so it would be hard to see penis gains jfl
and i keep travelling so thats why im waiting until im older so that when i go to uni, i can stay in that country for longer and be able to go through a whole cycle
also i dont have the sources cuz im doing my research rn
either way where would you get dht gel?

 

[aelimaeli]

5'10 and below.

good that im not below that, and i havent grown in a while so hgh is out of the question unfortunately, as my paretns would fuck me if i asked them for me to test if my growth plates are closed jfl (they are religous and strict)

 

[hopefulllarp]

If your plates are open, I'd only run a TRT dosage of Testosterone, but you should check to see your levels.

If your growth plates are open, you need to get on an Aromatase inhibitor, this will counter your Estrogen and keep it low to allow the plates to stay open the longest. You need to also be on HGH at 8-10 IU's daily to see meaningful growth over 12-24 months.

You need to not take too much of the AI or you will get Low E2, which sucks.


Don't overcomplicated the stack.
250mg of Testosterone Cypionate a week, do 5 injections a week (so split 250 across 5 injections for that week) and take a slight aggressive amount of AI. Also run HGH, this is the ONLY time you'll ever be able to grow, and the world is brutal to SHORT & Average people.

And I wont get on HGH for growth ill take small amounts for sleep so its not that expensive. Hgh is way to expensive for minimal growth results

 

[Faustum]

Yeah i was gonna do what you outlined
Aromasin
Hgh
I wanted to add in tren also but I’m not sure how to properly incorporate it into the cycle how many mg should I do

Tren is incredible in terms of building muscle short term. But it's risk profile is much higher than Testosterone.

Tren is 2-6x more anabolic than Testosterone, and in rats, it was 14x more anabolic.

But Tren has some brutal side effects, I've seen men turn gay and began having sex with femboys, it makes you a total sexual deviant, it BRUTALLY represses your natural Testosterone production unlike Exogenous T. It is one of the harshest steroids on your Cardiovascular system. And is not long studied in humans.

Compare that to Testosterone, we know ALL its's side effects, its been injected in humans since 1935 in Germany, which makes it the longest known injectable in human history, and it is incredibly anabolic in itself.

I'd highly recommend staying away from Tren and upping Testosterone dosage instead. A small dosage of Tren is just as intensive as 400mg of Testosterone, so putting both them + Tren is a lot.

 

[childishkillah]

PCT (For Men with Fat Pussies)
Post Cycle Therapy
If for some reason you needed or wanted to come off Testosterone, here is how you'd go about it.

Most guys mess this part up. Retards either cold-turkey it and crash hard, or they run an outdated PCT that leaves them with low energy, lost gains, and depressed for months. Don’t be that guy.

Taper the Dose (4–6 weeks)
Do not go from 400 mg straight to zero. Drop gradually:
Weeks 1–2: Drop to 300 mg/week
Weeks 3–4: Drop to 200 mg/week

Weeks 5–6: Drop to 100 mg/week (or 150 mg if you feel too bad)
This slow taper gives your body time to start restarting natural production instead of slamming the brakes and crashing
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???? No, you are totally shutted down no matter the dose lol.

 

[Faustum]

good that im not below that, and i havent grown in a while so hgh is out of the question unfortunately, as my paretns would fuck me if i asked them for me to test if my growth plates are closed jfl (they are religous and strict)

Well if you've confirmed growth plates are closed, then run the Test and if your father is bald, or your grandfather on either sides, take a DHT blocker (if you are out of puberty fully)

If they are open, you need to spam HGH, 6'5 should be the goal if possible.

 

[Faustum]

???? No, you are totally shutted down no matter the dose lol.

It almost never entirely shuts down, it's repressed. 20-50mg wouldn't shut down your natural production.

 

[Faustum]

And I wont get on HGH for growth ill take small amounts for sleep so its not that expensive. Hgh is way to expensive for minimal growth results

The growth results for HGH can be incredible if taken at very high dosages. There's a dude on here who's on 15 IU's daily.

But to be fair he stole money from his parents to afford it JFL

 

[aelimaeli]

Well if you've confirmed growth plates are closed, then run the Test and if your father is bald, or your grandfather on either sides, take a DHT blocker (if you are out of puberty fully)

If they are open, you need to spam HGH, 6'5 should be the goal if possible.

how would i get a test without my parents knowing
also i would need an xray of my ankle and wrist right? i live in a country where i dont know the main language so that will be hard to organise, id need to steal some money from the wallet or something.
then again getting hgh itself will be an issue, i already know the precautions and how to pin, etc.
also my dad is not balding (only slightly, and im 16 so im assuming im still in puberty) AND i could just run test and see if i get any hair falling out and then jsut have fin or dut at hand.

 

[Faustum]

my issue is that i keep travelling here and there between countries and it is hard to sustain a cycle like that, since you cant smuggle anabolic steroids through countries
i stay in a country for 2 months and then as soon as there is school break i go back to another country for the whole summer etc.

also im saying that dht gel WORKS BETTER for micropenises, and less likely on normal penises
ur right that dht can work for both
also hopping on test without a dht blocker is pretty shit so it would be hard to see penis gains jfl
and i keep travelling so thats why im waiting until im older so that when i go to uni, i can stay in that country for longer and be able to go through a whole cycle
also i dont have the sources cuz im doing my research rn
either way where would you get dht gel?

Hopping on Test without a DHT blocker is actually ideal if you are still in puberty.

As for travelling, I too am heading to Europe soon, and made a thread about how to sneak it in... It would seem you'll have to wrap it in a plastic wrap, and shove it up your ass hole.

My domestic country sells Testosterone and DHT Gel. It's best to buy from your domestic roid sellers, you can use body building forums, they have trusted sources you can buy from.

 

[aelimaeli]

Hopping on Test without a DHT blocker is actually ideal if you are still in puberty.

As for travelling, I too am heading to Europe soon, and made a thread about how to sneak it in... It would seem you'll have to wrap it in a plastic wrap, and shove it up your ass hole.

My domestic country sells Testosterone and DHT Gel. It's best to buy from your domestic roid sellers, you can use body building forums, they have trusted sources you can buy from.

yea i see mesorx as a reliable bodybuilding forum, if you have any more lmk (or sources)
about my growth plates, ill hopefully check that out soon
also how much mg of test do you think i should run? i think 250mg test e is good for a first cycle, i hear some other guy was running it and said from 250-500mg theres almost no difference in side effects so i wouldnt know.
PLUS i travel often so its most likely ill be running cycles when older and living by myself, sucks

 

[Faustum]

how would i get a test without my parents knowing
also i would need an xray of my ankle and wrist right? i live in a country where i dont know the main language so that will be hard to organise, id need to steal some money from the wallet or something.
then again getting hgh itself will be an issue, i already know the precautions and how to pin, etc.
also my dad is not balding (only slightly, and im 16 so im assuming im still in puberty) AND i could just run test and see if i get any hair falling out and then jsut have fin or dut at hand.

X-ray hand (wrist) or knees to confirm if growth plates are open.

How to get a Test you have to LARP at your age. You could say a friend of yours recently got his test done after seeing he had side effects of low T, and it turned out your "friend" did have low T and had to be treated.

You've been feeling the same way, tired, low libido, and would like, for safe measure, to make sure your Testosterone levels are okay. I'd brainstorm that with Grok or an AI agent.

500 IU's of HGH is $350 USD, thats the cheapest I could find it, its the source most people use.

If your hair starts falling out at 16 because of DHT it was over before it began. Male alopecia doesn't usually start kicking in until late teens and early 20's

 

[aelimaeli]

X-ray hand (wrist) or knees to confirm if growth plates are open.

How to get a Test you have to LARP at your age. You could say a friend of yours recently got his test done after seeing he had side effects of low T, and it turned out your "friend" did have low T and had to be treated.

You've been feeling the same way, tired, low libido, and would like, for safe measure, to make sure your Testosterone levels are okay. I'd brainstorm that with Grok or an AI agent.

500 IU's of HGH is $350 USD, thats the cheapest I could find it, its the source most people use.

If your hair starts falling out at 16 because of DHT it was over before it began. Male alopecia doesn't usually start kicking in until late teens and early 20's

my hair isnt falling out at 16, its perfectly fine.
you mind sharing source (in pms)?
also id ideally run around 8ius for a couple months but id have to read a guide on that to refresh my memory (and check for my plates are open or not)
are you also saying to test my test levels?

 

[subhumanchinkcel]

Nice thread, will be using some of this for reference when I run my first cycle

 

[Faustum]

yea i see mesorx as a reliable bodybuilding forum, if you have any more lmk (or sources)
about my growth plates, ill hopefully check that out soon
also how much mg of test do you think i should run? i think 250mg test e is good for a first cycle, i hear some other guy was running it and said from 250-500mg theres almost no difference in side effects so i wouldnt know.

Well there's a few problems with that. Everyone responded differently.

Some people don't need an AI on cycle, I tried that, and had 440 Estrogen, which is an insane amount.

We also don't know how your Lipids will handle it, or how high your RBC will rise or what its at currently.

You will have more strength and more muscle as you up the dosage of Testosterone, I would recommend maxing out only at 600mg for a couple weeks and bring it back down to a more reasonable amount like 350-450.

IM injections suck, I'd recommend SubQ Test C, its much better long term.

 

[Faustum]

Nice thread, will be using some of this for reference when I run my first cycle

Why wait? Procrastination is a feminine trait.

Lock in now

 

[Faustum]

my hair isnt falling out at 16, its perfectly fine.
you mind sharing source (in pms)?
also id ideally run around 8ius for a couple months but id have to read a guide on that to refresh my memory (and check for my plates are open or not)
are you also saying to test my test levels?

Yes Private message me and I'll send the source everyone uses on the forum.

Is just bought 10 vials of HCG 7000 IU per vial for $100 USD, covers 12 months for me.

And 500 IU's of HGH for $350 USD.

Yes HGH 8 IU's is good but 10+ is far better IF GROWTH PLATES ARE OPEN.

If not, run 3 IU's of HGH + Test. They work very well together.

Yes I am saying to test your Testosterone levels BEFORE you start. I had 280ng, which was secondary hypogonadal.

 

[khrome]

If you are under 25:
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Looks a good thread, what about under 18 though? still worth it or a no no

 

[khrome]

Why wait? Procrastination is a feminine trait.

Lock in now

no money rofl

 

[hopefulllarp]

The growth results for HGH can be incredible if taken at very high dosages. There's a dude on here who's on 15 IU's daily.

But to be fair he stole money from his parents to afford it JFL

How much did he grow and in what period of time