How to start YOUR First Cycle for Late Teens/Young Adults [EASY TO START + PRICES]

[Bunnyonroids]

Yeah it would be hard to do only 3-5 months, the best/most perma gains happen at 4-12 months.

Its better to cruise than pct

 

[Faustum]

Its better to cruise than pct

Correct.

 

[arianwantstoascend]

Im trying to run hgh but everyone keeps saying i have to run 8iu + to see affects. At first i wanted to just run 3iu then up too 4 then 5.

 

[Faustum]

Im trying to run hgh but everyone keeps saying i have to run 8iu + to see affects. At first i wanted to just run 3iu then up too 4 then 5.

3-4-5 is good it just depends on your goals.

Height? No.

For fat loss, recovery, sleep, and IGF-1 increase which will help aid Testosterone in muscle building, then 3-5 IU's is perfect for that daily.

HGH = better AAS results
AAS = better HGH results

Androgens increase GH receptor expression in muscle tissue, more GH receptors per cell means greater sensitivity to circulating HGH (super awesome). Meaning the same dose of exogenous HGH produces a larger anabolic signal in an androgen rich environment

Testosterone specifically increases IGF-1 receptor density in muscle amplifying the downstream effects of HGH driven IGF-1 production (double benefit)

IGF-1 increases androgen receptor expression and nuclear translocation efficiency

The same amount of AAS produces a greater transcriptional response in a high IGF-1 environment

 

[ChillChad1624]

The ULTIMATE Guide for First-Time Testosterone Users (2026)

THIS IS THE ONLY TIME IN ALL OF HISTORY TO INJECT, FEEL, AND POSSESS LEVELS OF TESTOSTERONE NO OTHER MAN HAS HAD BEFORE... AND YOU ARE GOING TO MISS OUT ON THIS?

View attachment 4869128
“It is a shame for a man to grow old without seeing the beauty and strength of which his body is capable.”

Why Do You Want Supraphysiological levels of Testosterone?
When you inject exogenous testosterone, your blood levels become far more stable than they ever were naturally. Even if you had “normal” natural levels (400–700 ng/dL), they still fluctuated daily. On 300–600 mg/week injected properly, you will experience stable Testosterone levels throughout the day IF you are pinning 5x-7x a week.


The most famous study on Supra Levels of Testosterone is Bhasin 1996

In this study, normal men were given 600 mg of testosterone enanthate per week for 10 weeks. The most important group in this study was the group that was ON Supraphysiological levels of T and DID NOT WORK OUT.

The group that received testosterone without training gained significantly MORE muscle mass and strength than the group that trained naturally without testosterone.


THIS is why you want to be at supraphysiological levels of Testosterone.

At this level, everything is significantly improved.
Protein Synthesis goes way up (20-40% depending on person)
Nutrient partitioning, more of what you eat goes toward building muscle instead of fat.
The most noticeable and life changing thing will be going from Low T (200-400) to Supra T, I would liken to second puberty.

WHAT ARE YOUR GOALS?
Confidence? Supra T will do this.
Muscle Gain? Supra T will do this.
Libido? Supra T will do this.
Drive? Supra T will do this.
Amazing Energy Levels? Supra T will do this.
Mental Clarity? Supra T will do this.
Insane Recovery? Supra T will do this.
Permanent Muscle Memory? Supra T will do this.

If you are under 25:
You’re still in a window where higher testosterone can enhance masculine features over time. Increased jaw density and masseter thickness, broader shoulders and upper chest, and Fat redistribution away from the face and lower body. But these are SLOW and TAKE TIME. Hence why the most important part we will speak on is:

How Long Should My First Cycle Be?

9-12 Months minimum.
Why?

The first 4–8 weeks are quick strength, fullness, and mental changes from elevated hormones and water/glycogen. I was going to do one vial of T when I first started, and thought that was good enough. But once you feel 2000ng, it's hard to go back.

Permanent muscle growth, you'll develop new myonuclei and contractile tissue which ONLY accelerates after week 8–10 and continues strongly through months 4–12.

( ! ) Running shorter cycles for 8–12 weeks is retarded, you are LEAVING right as the best gains are starting to compound. ( ! )

A longer first cycle gives you time to learn how your body responds, dial in estrogen management, bloodwork, training, and diet. all while building significant muscle memory that stays with you even if you eventually cruise or come off.

View attachment 4869129
What Are The Side Effects? How Can I Counter Them?

Supraphysiological testosterone, it's in the name, Supra, Beyond Natural. With that comes responsibility. Every benefit has potential downsides. The good news is that most sides are manageable IF you stay PROACTIVE with bloodwork, supplements, and YOUR lifestyle.​

---

1. ESTROGEN
Water retention, facial puffiness, mood swings, irritability, increased anger, possible gyno sensitivity. Mine was very high.
View attachment 4868810
HOW TO COUNTER HIGH ESTROGEN
Use Aromasin AFTER BLOODTEST I was a super aromatizer, but you might not be. Higher fat = more aromatization. If you CRUSH your E2 you will be miserable. STAY HYDRATED.
Aromasin cost $60 USD​

---

2. FERTILITY
Your natural LH/FSH shuts down, balls shrink and sperm production drops.

This happens because your body believes you have too much Testosterone, and therefore, you are not needing to produce your own. So to counter this, we are going to REPLACE LH with hCG, which will be taken LH's place.

HOW TO COUNTER BALL ATROPHY + MAINTAIN SPERMATOGENESIS
Run hCG at 750-1,000 IU per week. 60,000 IU's of hCG cost $100 USD. This will cover you for 80 weeks IF you run 750 IU's a week.​

---

3. RBC (Red Blood Cell Count)
When at very high levels of Testosterone, you will produce more RBC, Hematocrit can rise, blood pressure can increase, HDL often drops, LDL can rise.

( ! ) ALL CARDIOVASCULAR BLACK BOX LABELS WERE REMOVED FROM TESTOSTERONE IN 2025 BY FDA ( ! )
(LINK)
HOW TO COUNTER HIGH RBC
Donate blood if HCT goes above 52%. So you basically get to save other peoples lives and keep RBC in check. Not really a downside.
LOWERING your Testosterone Dosage is also an option.
Monitor your Blood Pressure at home once a week.​

---

4. HAIR LOSS & ACNE
DHT accelerates male pattern baldness (if predisposed to it) and increases oiliness/acne.

HOW TO COUNTER ACNE AND HAIRLOSS
Finasteride 1.25 mg daily blocks most DHT conversion.
Oral Minoxidil 2.5 mg daily helps maintain and regrow hair. Also slightly lowers BP
Accutane 40–60 mg, this is extremely effective for acne/oil control, check Liver while on this. Permanently will shrink pores (W)

5. OXIDATIVE STRESS (Long Term Usage 6-12 months)
When you run supraphysiological testosterone for a long time, your body produces significantly more ROS. This comes from your newly increased metabolic rate and newly elevated red blood cell count.

IF you left this unchecked, OS can damage your cells, accelerate aging, and harm your lipids. The good news is that it’s highly manageable with the right support.


I take a comprehensive stack that is made to counter the oxidative load from Supra T:​

NAC (N-Acetylcysteine) 1200 mg – Directly boosts glutathione, the body’s master antioxidant. Essential for neutralizing ROS and protecting the liver (especially useful while on Accutane). IF YOU CAN AFFORD TO, INJECT GLUTATHIONE DIRECTLY, THE MASTER ANTI-OXIDANT OF YOUR BODY, NAC IS CHEAPER.

Alpha Lipoic Acid (ALA) 600 mg – Regenerates other antioxidants (including glutathione and CoQ10) and supports mitochondrial health.

Coenzyme Q10 (CoQ10) 200 mg – Protects mitochondria from oxidative damage and supports heart health as red blood cell count rises.

Omega-3 Fish Oil (3600 mg total, high EPA/DHA) – Anti-inflammatory that helps protect lipids and reduces systemic oxidative stress.

Magnesium 400–500 mg – Reduces inflammation and supports cellular energy production.

Vitamin D 6000 IU – Helps modulate immune response and lowers oxidative stress markers.

Semax Nasal Spray (100–200 mcg daily) – This is a strong neuroprotective and antioxidant effects in the brain. Increases BDNF and helps protect neurons from oxidative stress caused by high androgens and training.

$80–120 USD per month for full stack.
View attachment 4868872
What Should I Take To Support My Body At Supra Levels of T
​

Cialis (Tadalafil) 5 mg daily - Dirt cheap, great boners. AND It's Cardioprotective.

hCG 750 IU per week (350 IU, 2x per week) - Prevents severe testicular atrophy and helps preserve spermatogenesis

Aromasin 12.5 mg, 3x per week - Keeps estradiol in a healthy range. Prevents gyno, facial bloat, water retention, mood swings, and irritability caused by high Estrogen.

See above this section for Oxidative Stress Stack + Hair Loss Stack
View attachment 4869028
Recommended Dosage Progression
300–350 mg of Testosterone per week 4-8 weeks
This is the ideal starting range for most first-timers. It put me at 2000ng/dL. This dosage alone will give you noticeable benefits in muscle gains, strength, energy, and confidence while keeping side effects VERY manageable.

At this level, you will figure out how bad your body aromatizes into Estrogen, how your hematocrit responds, and how you feel mentally before pushing higher.​

---

400-450 mg of Testosterone per week 8-15 weeks (After Bloodwork)
This is the sweet spot for most men. The jump from 300–350 mg to 400 mg will give you improvement in gains, your recovery, and overall feeling without a massive spike in sides, why? Because managed them FIRST on the lower dosage, now our body is ready for more, and we know how we respond.
​

---

500-600 mg of Testosterone per week 16+ weeks (Run for 4-9 weeks, return to 325-400)
This is still within a “clinical supraphysiological” range, if you even care about staying within the clinical dosage ranges. Going above 600 mg will likely bring you diminishing returns and a much steeper increase in side effects.​

---

What Compounds Actually Pairs Well With Testosterone
Once you’re comfortable with testosterone alone, many users consider adding other anabolic compounds to enhance results. The smartest additions are those that COMPLIMENT testosterone, because Testosterone is our anabolic BASE.

Human Growth Hormone (HGH)
One of the most popular add-ons while on Testosterone. Why?
Testosterone builds muscle through androgen receptors, your AR density is genetic. HGH works through a completely different pathway through increasing IGF-1 in the Liver, nutrient partitioning, and lipolysis.

Test will drive your protein synthesis and strength, HGH will aid in your fat loss and recovery. It also gives you better skin quality, joint health, and sleep.

Beginner / Fat-loss focused: 2 IU per day
Standard effective dose: 3 IU per day (most common sweet spot)
Advanced: 4–6 IU per day (higher sides and cost)

500 IU's with 96.4% Purity is around $350 USD.

@Zagro has written an in-depth thread on HGH:
https://looksmax.org/threads/hgh-101-everything-you-need-to-know.1423722/

Recommended Bloodwork Schedule
Baseline (Before Starting Cycle)
- Total Testosterone + Free Testosterone
- Sensitive Estradiol (E2)
- LH + FSH
- Prolactin
- CBC (includes Hematocrit, Hemoglobin, RBC)
- Lipid Panel (HDL, LDL, Triglycerides)
- PSA (Prostate Specific Antigen)
- Liver Enzymes (ALT, AST, ALP)
- SHBG

How to get Bloodwork Requistions I show in this thread
https://looksmax.org/threads/free-bloodtest-and-prescriptions-method.1941922/#post-27196406

Week 6–8 (First On-Cycle Check)
After you’ve stabilized on your dose:

- Sensitive Estradiol (E2) – Most important early marker
- CBC / Hematocrit / Hemoglobin
- Lipid Panel
- Total Testosterone (to confirm levels)
- Prolactin (optional but useful)

Every 3 Months (Ongoing Monitoring)
Once you’re past the initial 8 weeks:
- Sensitive Estradiol (E2) > Aim for 73–183 pmol/L
- CBC / Hematocrit / Hemoglobin > Keep under 52%. Donate blood if it goes higher.
- Lipid Panel > Watch HDL, ideally >40 mg/dL and LDL. Omega-3 helps a lot here.
- PSA > Should stay in normal range. Any big jump needs attention.
- Liver Enzymes > Monitor closely while on Accutane.
- Prolactin (if previously elevated)

PCT (For Men with Fat Pussies)
Post Cycle Therapy
If for some reason you needed or wanted to come off Testosterone, here is how you'd go about it.

Most guys mess this part up. Retards either cold-turkey it and crash hard, or they run an outdated PCT that leaves them with low energy, lost gains, and depressed for months. Don’t be that guy.

Taper the Dose (4–6 weeks)
Do not go from 400 mg straight to zero. Drop gradually:
Weeks 1–2: Drop to 300 mg/week
Weeks 3–4: Drop to 200 mg/week

Weeks 5–6: Drop to 100 mg/week (or 150 mg if you feel too bad)
This slow taper gives your body time to start restarting natural production instead of slamming the brakes and crashing

Run a Proper PCT
Once you’re at 100–150 mg/week or lower, start PCT:

hCG – 1000–1500 IU every other day for 2 weeks (highly recommended if you were on hCG on-cycle)
Clomid– 50 mg daily for 4 weeks, then 25 mg daily for 2 weeks
Nolvadex (Tamoxifen) – 20 mg daily for 4 weeks, then 10 mg daily for 2 weeks
(You can run both Clomid + Nolvadex together for better results)

Total PCT length should be 6–8 weeks after your last testosterone injection.

We taper off slowly, which won't give us a hormonal crash, we use hCG to jumpstart our Testes, and then we use CLomid and Nolvadex to block E2 and signal our pituitary and simulate our natural LH/FSH Production again.


View attachment 4868985
Why Being Natural Is Cope

There is NOTHING Natural about modern society.

Anyone who says they want to try the "natural" way to raise T or moralsplain to you on why you should not take Exogenous Hormones, tell them that next time they get infection, don't take antibiotics, those aren't natural, in fact, none of modern medicine, so just die to an infected cut. Cars? Very unnatural, use a horse, or better yet, walk.

But they won't, because cars, and other unnatural things are convenient. Injecting Exogenous Testosterone is not only MORE convenient but it's even SUPERIOR to Endogenous Testosterone.

People every day take advantage of the most unnatural habits, do not join them in their sheep-like delusions. Never before have you had MORE tools at your disposal to ascend, to become a better man. Do it now or regret it. Do not aim to live the longest, down to the last second, but to live to the fullest.​

Yo nice thread could I dm u for hcg and hgh source. Also im 15 and the only concern I have is even with hcg will my balls permanently shrink that’s my biggest fear even with all the positives. Also have u noticed any bad side effects at all. I would really appreciate a response because my Current hgh is expensive and I don't have a hcg source ngl.

 

[Faustum]

Yo nice thread could I dm u for hcg and hgh source. Also im 15 and the only concern I have is even with hcg will my balls permanently shrink that’s my biggest fear even with all the positives. Also have u noticed any bad side effects at all. I would really appreciate a response because my Current hgh is expensive and I don't have a hcg source ngl.

hCG will take over for your LH

Your LH will be entirely repressed, so hCG will now be doing what your LH was doing. It will not shrink your balls, and you will still be capable of spermatogenesis (meaning you are still fertile)

If you want the hCG source DM me. The HGH source I use is 0.89 cents per IU

 

[ChillChad1624]

hCG will take over for your LH

Your LH will be entirely repressed, so hCG will now be doing what your LH was doing. It will not shrink your balls, and you will still be capable of spermatogenesis (meaning you are still fertile)

If you want the hCG source DM me. The HGH source I use is 0.89 cents per IU

I think I found it already thank u appreciate it

 

[TheOsei]

The ULTIMATE Guide for First-Time Testosterone Users (2026)

THIS IS THE ONLY TIME IN ALL OF HISTORY TO INJECT, FEEL, AND POSSESS LEVELS OF TESTOSTERONE NO OTHER MAN HAS HAD BEFORE... AND YOU ARE GOING TO MISS OUT ON THIS?

View attachment 4869128
“It is a shame for a man to grow old without seeing the beauty and strength of which his body is capable.”

Why Do You Want Supraphysiological levels of Testosterone?
When you inject exogenous testosterone, your blood levels become far more stable than they ever were naturally. Even if you had “normal” natural levels (400–700 ng/dL), they still fluctuated daily. On 300–600 mg/week injected properly, you will experience stable Testosterone levels throughout the day IF you are pinning 5x-7x a week.


The most famous study on Supra Levels of Testosterone is Bhasin 1996

In this study, normal men were given 600 mg of testosterone enanthate per week for 10 weeks. The most important group in this study was the group that was ON Supraphysiological levels of T and DID NOT WORK OUT.

The group that received testosterone without training gained significantly MORE muscle mass and strength than the group that trained naturally without testosterone.


THIS is why you want to be at supraphysiological levels of Testosterone.

At this level, everything is significantly improved.
Protein Synthesis goes way up (20-40% depending on person)
Nutrient partitioning, more of what you eat goes toward building muscle instead of fat.
The most noticeable and life changing thing will be going from Low T (200-400) to Supra T, I would liken to second puberty.

WHAT ARE YOUR GOALS?
Confidence? Supra T will do this.
Muscle Gain? Supra T will do this.
Libido? Supra T will do this.
Drive? Supra T will do this.
Amazing Energy Levels? Supra T will do this.
Mental Clarity? Supra T will do this.
Insane Recovery? Supra T will do this.
Permanent Muscle Memory? Supra T will do this.

If you are under 25:
You’re still in a window where higher testosterone can enhance masculine features over time. Increased jaw density and masseter thickness, broader shoulders and upper chest, and Fat redistribution away from the face and lower body. But these are SLOW and TAKE TIME. Hence why the most important part we will speak on is:

How Long Should My First Cycle Be?

9-12 Months minimum.
Why?

The first 4–8 weeks are quick strength, fullness, and mental changes from elevated hormones and water/glycogen. I was going to do one vial of T when I first started, and thought that was good enough. But once you feel 2000ng, it's hard to go back.

Permanent muscle growth, you'll develop new myonuclei and contractile tissue which ONLY accelerates after week 8–10 and continues strongly through months 4–12.

( ! ) Running shorter cycles for 8–12 weeks is retarded, you are LEAVING right as the best gains are starting to compound. ( ! )

A longer first cycle gives you time to learn how your body responds, dial in estrogen management, bloodwork, training, and diet. all while building significant muscle memory that stays with you even if you eventually cruise or come off.

View attachment 4869129
What Are The Side Effects? How Can I Counter Them?

Supraphysiological testosterone, it's in the name, Supra, Beyond Natural. With that comes responsibility. Every benefit has potential downsides. The good news is that most sides are manageable IF you stay PROACTIVE with bloodwork, supplements, and YOUR lifestyle.​

---

1. ESTROGEN
Water retention, facial puffiness, mood swings, irritability, increased anger, possible gyno sensitivity. Mine was very high.
View attachment 4868810
HOW TO COUNTER HIGH ESTROGEN
Use Aromasin AFTER BLOODTEST I was a super aromatizer, but you might not be. Higher fat = more aromatization. If you CRUSH your E2 you will be miserable. STAY HYDRATED.
Aromasin cost $60 USD​

---

2. FERTILITY
Your natural LH/FSH shuts down, balls shrink and sperm production drops.

This happens because your body believes you have too much Testosterone, and therefore, you are not needing to produce your own. So to counter this, we are going to REPLACE LH with hCG, which will be taken LH's place.

HOW TO COUNTER BALL ATROPHY + MAINTAIN SPERMATOGENESIS
Run hCG at 750-1,000 IU per week. 60,000 IU's of hCG cost $100 USD. This will cover you for 80 weeks IF you run 750 IU's a week.​

---

3. RBC (Red Blood Cell Count)
When at very high levels of Testosterone, you will produce more RBC, Hematocrit can rise, blood pressure can increase, HDL often drops, LDL can rise.

( ! ) ALL CARDIOVASCULAR BLACK BOX LABELS WERE REMOVED FROM TESTOSTERONE IN 2025 BY FDA ( ! )
(LINK)
HOW TO COUNTER HIGH RBC
Donate blood if HCT goes above 52%. So you basically get to save other peoples lives and keep RBC in check. Not really a downside.
LOWERING your Testosterone Dosage is also an option.
Monitor your Blood Pressure at home once a week.​

---

4. HAIR LOSS & ACNE
DHT accelerates male pattern baldness (if predisposed to it) and increases oiliness/acne.

HOW TO COUNTER ACNE AND HAIRLOSS
Finasteride 1.25 mg daily blocks most DHT conversion.
Oral Minoxidil 2.5 mg daily helps maintain and regrow hair. Also slightly lowers BP
Accutane 40–60 mg, this is extremely effective for acne/oil control, check Liver while on this. Permanently will shrink pores (W)

5. OXIDATIVE STRESS (Long Term Usage 6-12 months)
When you run supraphysiological testosterone for a long time, your body produces significantly more ROS. This comes from your newly increased metabolic rate and newly elevated red blood cell count.

IF you left this unchecked, OS can damage your cells, accelerate aging, and harm your lipids. The good news is that it’s highly manageable with the right support.


I take a comprehensive stack that is made to counter the oxidative load from Supra T:​

NAC (N-Acetylcysteine) 1200 mg – Directly boosts glutathione, the body’s master antioxidant. Essential for neutralizing ROS and protecting the liver (especially useful while on Accutane). IF YOU CAN AFFORD TO, INJECT GLUTATHIONE DIRECTLY, THE MASTER ANTI-OXIDANT OF YOUR BODY, NAC IS CHEAPER.

Alpha Lipoic Acid (ALA) 600 mg – Regenerates other antioxidants (including glutathione and CoQ10) and supports mitochondrial health.

Coenzyme Q10 (CoQ10) 200 mg – Protects mitochondria from oxidative damage and supports heart health as red blood cell count rises.

Omega-3 Fish Oil (3600 mg total, high EPA/DHA) – Anti-inflammatory that helps protect lipids and reduces systemic oxidative stress.

Magnesium 400–500 mg – Reduces inflammation and supports cellular energy production.

Vitamin D 6000 IU – Helps modulate immune response and lowers oxidative stress markers.

Semax Nasal Spray (100–200 mcg daily) – This is a strong neuroprotective and antioxidant effects in the brain. Increases BDNF and helps protect neurons from oxidative stress caused by high androgens and training.

$80–120 USD per month for full stack.
View attachment 4868872
What Should I Take To Support My Body At Supra Levels of T
​

Cialis (Tadalafil) 5 mg daily - Dirt cheap, great boners. AND It's Cardioprotective.

hCG 750 IU per week (350 IU, 2x per week) - Prevents severe testicular atrophy and helps preserve spermatogenesis

Aromasin 12.5 mg, 3x per week - Keeps estradiol in a healthy range. Prevents gyno, facial bloat, water retention, mood swings, and irritability caused by high Estrogen.

See above this section for Oxidative Stress Stack + Hair Loss Stack
View attachment 4869028
Recommended Dosage Progression
300–350 mg of Testosterone per week 4-8 weeks
This is the ideal starting range for most first-timers. It put me at 2000ng/dL. This dosage alone will give you noticeable benefits in muscle gains, strength, energy, and confidence while keeping side effects VERY manageable.

At this level, you will figure out how bad your body aromatizes into Estrogen, how your hematocrit responds, and how you feel mentally before pushing higher.​

---

400-450 mg of Testosterone per week 8-15 weeks (After Bloodwork)
This is the sweet spot for most men. The jump from 300–350 mg to 400 mg will give you improvement in gains, your recovery, and overall feeling without a massive spike in sides, why? Because managed them FIRST on the lower dosage, now our body is ready for more, and we know how we respond.
​

---

500-600 mg of Testosterone per week 16+ weeks (Run for 4-9 weeks, return to 325-400)
This is still within a “clinical supraphysiological” range, if you even care about staying within the clinical dosage ranges. Going above 600 mg will likely bring you diminishing returns and a much steeper increase in side effects.​

---

What Compounds Actually Pairs Well With Testosterone
Once you’re comfortable with testosterone alone, many users consider adding other anabolic compounds to enhance results. The smartest additions are those that COMPLIMENT testosterone, because Testosterone is our anabolic BASE.

Human Growth Hormone (HGH)
One of the most popular add-ons while on Testosterone. Why?
Testosterone builds muscle through androgen receptors, your AR density is genetic. HGH works through a completely different pathway through increasing IGF-1 in the Liver, nutrient partitioning, and lipolysis.

Test will drive your protein synthesis and strength, HGH will aid in your fat loss and recovery. It also gives you better skin quality, joint health, and sleep.

Beginner / Fat-loss focused: 2 IU per day
Standard effective dose: 3 IU per day (most common sweet spot)
Advanced: 4–6 IU per day (higher sides and cost)

500 IU's with 96.4% Purity is around $350 USD.

@Zagro has written an in-depth thread on HGH:
https://looksmax.org/threads/hgh-101-everything-you-need-to-know.1423722/

Recommended Bloodwork Schedule
Baseline (Before Starting Cycle)
- Total Testosterone + Free Testosterone
- Sensitive Estradiol (E2)
- LH + FSH
- Prolactin
- CBC (includes Hematocrit, Hemoglobin, RBC)
- Lipid Panel (HDL, LDL, Triglycerides)
- PSA (Prostate Specific Antigen)
- Liver Enzymes (ALT, AST, ALP)
- SHBG

How to get Bloodwork Requistions I show in this thread
https://looksmax.org/threads/free-bloodtest-and-prescriptions-method.1941922/#post-27196406

Week 6–8 (First On-Cycle Check)
After you’ve stabilized on your dose:

- Sensitive Estradiol (E2) – Most important early marker
- CBC / Hematocrit / Hemoglobin
- Lipid Panel
- Total Testosterone (to confirm levels)
- Prolactin (optional but useful)

Every 3 Months (Ongoing Monitoring)
Once you’re past the initial 8 weeks:
- Sensitive Estradiol (E2) > Aim for 73–183 pmol/L
- CBC / Hematocrit / Hemoglobin > Keep under 52%. Donate blood if it goes higher.
- Lipid Panel > Watch HDL, ideally >40 mg/dL and LDL. Omega-3 helps a lot here.
- PSA > Should stay in normal range. Any big jump needs attention.
- Liver Enzymes > Monitor closely while on Accutane.
- Prolactin (if previously elevated)

PCT (For Men with Fat Pussies)
Post Cycle Therapy
If for some reason you needed or wanted to come off Testosterone, here is how you'd go about it.

Most guys mess this part up. Retards either cold-turkey it and crash hard, or they run an outdated PCT that leaves them with low energy, lost gains, and depressed for months. Don’t be that guy.

Taper the Dose (4–6 weeks)
Do not go from 400 mg straight to zero. Drop gradually:
Weeks 1–2: Drop to 300 mg/week
Weeks 3–4: Drop to 200 mg/week

Weeks 5–6: Drop to 100 mg/week (or 150 mg if you feel too bad)
This slow taper gives your body time to start restarting natural production instead of slamming the brakes and crashing

Run a Proper PCT
Once you’re at 100–150 mg/week or lower, start PCT:

hCG – 1000–1500 IU every other day for 2 weeks (highly recommended if you were on hCG on-cycle)
Clomid– 50 mg daily for 4 weeks, then 25 mg daily for 2 weeks
Nolvadex (Tamoxifen) – 20 mg daily for 4 weeks, then 10 mg daily for 2 weeks
(You can run both Clomid + Nolvadex together for better results)

Total PCT length should be 6–8 weeks after your last testosterone injection.

We taper off slowly, which won't give us a hormonal crash, we use hCG to jumpstart our Testes, and then we use CLomid and Nolvadex to block E2 and signal our pituitary and simulate our natural LH/FSH Production again.


View attachment 4868985
Why Being Natural Is Cope

There is NOTHING Natural about modern society.

Anyone who says they want to try the "natural" way to raise T or moralsplain to you on why you should not take Exogenous Hormones, tell them that next time they get infection, don't take antibiotics, those aren't natural, in fact, none of modern medicine, so just die to an infected cut. Cars? Very unnatural, use a horse, or better yet, walk.

But they won't, because cars, and other unnatural things are convenient. Injecting Exogenous Testosterone is not only MORE convenient but it's even SUPERIOR to Endogenous Testosterone.

People every day take advantage of the most unnatural habits, do not join them in their sheep-like delusions. Never before have you had MORE tools at your disposal to ascend, to become a better man. Do it now or regret it. Do not aim to live the longest, down to the last second, but to live to the fullest.​

Jfl test is the worst compound especially in puberty so many superior NAAAS.

 

[karmacitathugmaxx]

bro made it look easy but ts really a process

 

[Faustum]

Jfl test is the worst compound especially in puberty so many superior NAAAS.

Son... Testosterone is what grows your mandible and your brow ridge, it's the main driver of dimorphism.

Yes there are more theoretical methods that can probably deliver more, but we know Testosterone drives this, and you can run Test at Supra levels.

 

[Faustum]

bro made it look easy but ts really a process

If you have any questions let me know.

 

[arianwantstoascend]

3-4-5 is good it just depends on your goals.

Height? No.

For fat loss, recovery, sleep, and IGF-1 increase which will help aid Testosterone in muscle building, then 3-5 IU's is perfect for that daily.

HGH = better AAS results
AAS = better HGH results

Androgens increase GH receptor expression in muscle tissue, more GH receptors per cell means greater sensitivity to circulating HGH (super awesome). Meaning the same dose of exogenous HGH produces a larger anabolic signal in an androgen rich environment

Testosterone specifically increases IGF-1 receptor density in muscle amplifying the downstream effects of HGH driven IGF-1 production (double benefit)

IGF-1 increases androgen receptor expression and nuclear translocation efficiency

The same amount of AAS produces a greater transcriptional response in a high IGF-1 environment

even for height running high levels of Gh wouldnt take you past your genetics

 

[Faustum]

even for height running high levels of Gh wouldnt take you past your genetics

I wouldn't be so sure, anecdotally I've worked with a kid running Pharma HGH under doctor since 13 and grew 12 inches by 15, from 4'11 to 5'9 and his mother is 5'4 and his father was 5'9. He does 7 IU's of Pharna HGH daily.

HGH + AI is an enhanced puberty, but its probably still limited entirely by his genetics. We'll see how tall he turns out.

 

[arianwantstoascend]

I wouldn't be so sure, anecdotally I've worked with a kid running Pharma HGH under doctor since 13 and grew 12 inches by 15, from 4'11 to 5'9 and his mother is 5'4 and his father was 5'9. He does 7 IU's of Pharna HGH daily.

HGH + AI is an enhanced puberty, but its probably still limited entirely by his genetics. We'll see how tall he turns out.

ya since im lowkey thinking about not hopping on and letting my genetics do its thing since my adult final height is from 5,10 - 5,11

 

[Faustum]

ya since im lowkey thinking about not hopping on and letting my genetics do its thing since my adult final height is from 5,10 - 5,11

But why leave it to luck when you, for the only time in human history, directly influence your growth pathways with HGH?

 

[arianwantstoascend]

id

But why leave it to luck when you, for the only time in human history, directly influence your growth pathways with HGH?

have to run high levels and as of now i can only do 5iu for 4 months which poeple said wouldnt do shit

 

[Faustum]

id

have to run high levels and as of now i can only do 5iu for 4 months which poeple said wouldnt do shit

7-10 IU's would. I have a supplier that does 0.80 cents per IU

 

[TestosteronePinner]

What age you start your cycle. I only read the first part because im studying for my ap physch exam as im trying to read this

 

[Faustum]

What age you start your cycle. I only read the first part because im studying for my ap physch exam as im trying to read this

I was 21.

But Testosterone would work better in puberty because it drives two very important projections of your skull, the brow ridge and the mandible.
You just have to manage the E2 with an AI and pair it with HGH.

 

[arianwantstoascend]

7-10 IU's would. I have a supplier that does 0.80 cents per IU

Iv heard if i stop using hgh after my cycle it would stop my own body from producing Gh. wouldnt that nerf my max ?

 

[Faustum]

Iv heard if i stop using hgh after my cycle it would stop my own body from producing Gh. wouldnt that nerf my max ?

It's not like Testosterone, the pituitary gland is more flexible, and natural levels return to pre-treatment values after stopping injections.

 

[Finncelchud]

This thread convinced to hop on

 

[tayolite]

I'm starting my first cycle this summer, I'm 19 around 6'1-6'2 145lbs been training for a while but kind of stopped for a bit so I'm lean fit my base test is 540 and all my results show im healthy enough for test easily, that's it for background. Question wise im thinking of running 300mg for 5months paired with igf-1lr3 for elevated hormone levels and cjc no dac (only because I still have 2 vials from cope era). This cycle is mostly to fill out my frame as I have a pretty good angular face ish but I also want more a dimorphic face which test may give me slowly but I want more so might be cope but I will bonepsuh during this cycle because it directs the osteoblasts to deposit new bone precisely where I apply pressure, turning systemic hormonal exposure into localized visible change. AGAIN MIGHT BE COPE SO MAY NOT DO, I need help with sourcing test because there's too many watered down or bullshit fakes out there, and other compounds needed for a safe cycle and advice on my plan so far anything to add or takeaway

 

[tayolite]

age?

 

[Faustum]

I'm starting my first cycle this summer, I'm 19 around 6'1-6'2 145lbs been training for a while but kind of stopped for a bit so I'm lean fit my base test is 540 and all my results show im healthy enough for test easily, that's it for background. Question wise im thinking of running 300mg for 5months paired with igf-1lr3 for elevated hormone levels and cjc no dac (only because I still have 2 vials from cope era). This cycle is mostly to fill out my frame as I have a pretty good angular face ish but I also want more a dimorphic face which test may give me slowly but I want more so might be cope but I will bonepsuh during this cycle because it directs the osteoblasts to deposit new bone precisely where I apply pressure, turning systemic hormonal exposure into localized visible change. AGAIN MIGHT BE COPE SO MAY NOT DO, I need help with sourcing test because there's too many watered down or bullshit fakes out there, and other compounds needed for a safe cycle and advice on my plan so far anything to add or takeaway

Do not do 300mg for 5 months. You want permanent gains right? Muscle Nuceli which according to recent research NEVER will go away? Run 12 months and do a blast.

Myonuclei added during steroid-supported hypertrophy largely stick around, often for years or potentially lifelong. This creates a higher “muscle memory” ceiling: you can regain size faster later and potentially carry more muscle long-term than a lifetime natural.

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I started at 300mg for 10 weeks, then did 400mg until 15 weeks. And from there I do 580mg a week until July, until I return to a cruise dosage of 200mg-250mg.




Do NOT stop at 5 months. At LEAST do a full 9-12 months. CJC is practically useless compared to HGH but if you have it, might as well use it.

Don't know about new bone, and you are already out of puberty, but Testosterone is what drives the mandible and your brow ridge. But on Test you'll gain muscles everywhere even on face if you work them out. You have so much extra Test and Androgenic environment that it can give resources to those muscles.

For sourcing test, you have to go DOMESTIC. So that means only within your country. The way I found my supplier was on BODY BUILDING FORUMS they have it by country, and they have a sources section where all the roid heads give support or downvote to companies selling roids. I had to go through a private website and email.


Highly recommend, put this in Grok to help find a good site ^

 

[arianwantstoascend]

It's not like Testosterone, the pituitary gland is more flexible, and natural levels return to pre-treatment values after stopping injections.

thanks for the help

 

[symetrical]

The ULTIMATE Guide for First-Time Testosterone Users (2026)

THIS IS THE ONLY TIME IN ALL OF HISTORY TO INJECT, FEEL, AND POSSESS LEVELS OF TESTOSTERONE NO OTHER MAN HAS HAD BEFORE... AND YOU ARE GOING TO MISS OUT ON THIS?

View attachment 4869128
“It is a shame for a man to grow old without seeing the beauty and strength of which his body is capable.”

Why Do You Want Supraphysiological levels of Testosterone?
When you inject exogenous testosterone, your blood levels become far more stable than they ever were naturally. Even if you had “normal” natural levels (400–700 ng/dL), they still fluctuated daily. On 300–600 mg/week injected properly, you will experience stable Testosterone levels throughout the day IF you are pinning 5x-7x a week.


The most famous study on Supra Levels of Testosterone is Bhasin 1996

In this study, normal men were given 600 mg of testosterone enanthate per week for 10 weeks. The most important group in this study was the group that was ON Supraphysiological levels of T and DID NOT WORK OUT.

The group that received testosterone without training gained significantly MORE muscle mass and strength than the group that trained naturally without testosterone.


THIS is why you want to be at supraphysiological levels of Testosterone.

At this level, everything is significantly improved.
Protein Synthesis goes way up (20-40% depending on person)
Nutrient partitioning, more of what you eat goes toward building muscle instead of fat.
The most noticeable and life changing thing will be going from Low T (200-400) to Supra T, I would liken to second puberty.

WHAT ARE YOUR GOALS?
Confidence? Supra T will do this.
Muscle Gain? Supra T will do this.
Libido? Supra T will do this.
Drive? Supra T will do this.
Amazing Energy Levels? Supra T will do this.
Mental Clarity? Supra T will do this.
Insane Recovery? Supra T will do this.
Permanent Muscle Memory? Supra T will do this.

If you are under 25:
You’re still in a window where higher testosterone can enhance masculine features over time. Increased jaw density and masseter thickness, broader shoulders and upper chest, and Fat redistribution away from the face and lower body. But these are SLOW and TAKE TIME. Hence why the most important part we will speak on is:

How Long Should My First Cycle Be?

9-12 Months minimum.
Why?

The first 4–8 weeks are quick strength, fullness, and mental changes from elevated hormones and water/glycogen. I was going to do one vial of T when I first started, and thought that was good enough. But once you feel 2000ng, it's hard to go back.

Permanent muscle growth, you'll develop new myonuclei and contractile tissue which ONLY accelerates after week 8–10 and continues strongly through months 4–12.

( ! ) Running shorter cycles for 8–12 weeks is retarded, you are LEAVING right as the best gains are starting to compound. ( ! )

A longer first cycle gives you time to learn how your body responds, dial in estrogen management, bloodwork, training, and diet. all while building significant muscle memory that stays with you even if you eventually cruise or come off.

View attachment 4869129
What Are The Side Effects? How Can I Counter Them?

Supraphysiological testosterone, it's in the name, Supra, Beyond Natural. With that comes responsibility. Every benefit has potential downsides. The good news is that most sides are manageable IF you stay PROACTIVE with bloodwork, supplements, and YOUR lifestyle.​

---

1. ESTROGEN
Water retention, facial puffiness, mood swings, irritability, increased anger, possible gyno sensitivity. Mine was very high.
View attachment 4868810
HOW TO COUNTER HIGH ESTROGEN
Use Aromasin AFTER BLOODTEST I was a super aromatizer, but you might not be. Higher fat = more aromatization. If you CRUSH your E2 you will be miserable. STAY HYDRATED.
Aromasin cost $60 USD​

---

2. FERTILITY
Your natural LH/FSH shuts down, balls shrink and sperm production drops.

This happens because your body believes you have too much Testosterone, and therefore, you are not needing to produce your own. So to counter this, we are going to REPLACE LH with hCG, which will be taken LH's place.

HOW TO COUNTER BALL ATROPHY + MAINTAIN SPERMATOGENESIS
Run hCG at 750-1,000 IU per week. 60,000 IU's of hCG cost $100 USD. This will cover you for 80 weeks IF you run 750 IU's a week.​

---

3. RBC (Red Blood Cell Count)
When at very high levels of Testosterone, you will produce more RBC, Hematocrit can rise, blood pressure can increase, HDL often drops, LDL can rise.

( ! ) ALL CARDIOVASCULAR BLACK BOX LABELS WERE REMOVED FROM TESTOSTERONE IN 2025 BY FDA ( ! )
(LINK)
HOW TO COUNTER HIGH RBC
Donate blood if HCT goes above 52%. So you basically get to save other peoples lives and keep RBC in check. Not really a downside.
LOWERING your Testosterone Dosage is also an option.
Monitor your Blood Pressure at home once a week.​

---

4. HAIR LOSS & ACNE
DHT accelerates male pattern baldness (if predisposed to it) and increases oiliness/acne.

HOW TO COUNTER ACNE AND HAIRLOSS
Finasteride 1.25 mg daily blocks most DHT conversion.
Oral Minoxidil 2.5 mg daily helps maintain and regrow hair. Also slightly lowers BP
Accutane 40–60 mg, this is extremely effective for acne/oil control, check Liver while on this. Permanently will shrink pores (W)

5. OXIDATIVE STRESS (Long Term Usage 6-12 months)
When you run supraphysiological testosterone for a long time, your body produces significantly more ROS. This comes from your newly increased metabolic rate and newly elevated red blood cell count.

IF you left this unchecked, OS can damage your cells, accelerate aging, and harm your lipids. The good news is that it’s highly manageable with the right support.


I take a comprehensive stack that is made to counter the oxidative load from Supra T:​

NAC (N-Acetylcysteine) 1200 mg – Directly boosts glutathione, the body’s master antioxidant. Essential for neutralizing ROS and protecting the liver (especially useful while on Accutane). IF YOU CAN AFFORD TO, INJECT GLUTATHIONE DIRECTLY, THE MASTER ANTI-OXIDANT OF YOUR BODY, NAC IS CHEAPER.

Alpha Lipoic Acid (ALA) 600 mg – Regenerates other antioxidants (including glutathione and CoQ10) and supports mitochondrial health.

Coenzyme Q10 (CoQ10) 200 mg – Protects mitochondria from oxidative damage and supports heart health as red blood cell count rises.

Omega-3 Fish Oil (3600 mg total, high EPA/DHA) – Anti-inflammatory that helps protect lipids and reduces systemic oxidative stress.

Magnesium 400–500 mg – Reduces inflammation and supports cellular energy production.

Vitamin D 6000 IU – Helps modulate immune response and lowers oxidative stress markers.

Semax Nasal Spray (100–200 mcg daily) – This is a strong neuroprotective and antioxidant effects in the brain. Increases BDNF and helps protect neurons from oxidative stress caused by high androgens and training.

$80–120 USD per month for full stack.
View attachment 4868872
What Should I Take To Support My Body At Supra Levels of T
​

Cialis (Tadalafil) 5 mg daily - Dirt cheap, great boners. AND It's Cardioprotective.

hCG 750 IU per week (350 IU, 2x per week) - Prevents severe testicular atrophy and helps preserve spermatogenesis

Aromasin 12.5 mg, 3x per week - Keeps estradiol in a healthy range. Prevents gyno, facial bloat, water retention, mood swings, and irritability caused by high Estrogen.

See above this section for Oxidative Stress Stack + Hair Loss Stack
View attachment 4869028
Recommended Dosage Progression
300–350 mg of Testosterone per week 4-8 weeks
This is the ideal starting range for most first-timers. It put me at 2000ng/dL. This dosage alone will give you noticeable benefits in muscle gains, strength, energy, and confidence while keeping side effects VERY manageable.

At this level, you will figure out how bad your body aromatizes into Estrogen, how your hematocrit responds, and how you feel mentally before pushing higher.​

---

400-450 mg of Testosterone per week 8-15 weeks (After Bloodwork)
This is the sweet spot for most men. The jump from 300–350 mg to 400 mg will give you improvement in gains, your recovery, and overall feeling without a massive spike in sides, why? Because managed them FIRST on the lower dosage, now our body is ready for more, and we know how we respond.
​

---

500-600 mg of Testosterone per week 16+ weeks (Run for 4-9 weeks, return to 325-400)
This is still within a “clinical supraphysiological” range, if you even care about staying within the clinical dosage ranges. Going above 600 mg will likely bring you diminishing returns and a much steeper increase in side effects.​

---

What Compounds Actually Pairs Well With Testosterone
Once you’re comfortable with testosterone alone, many users consider adding other anabolic compounds to enhance results. The smartest additions are those that COMPLIMENT testosterone, because Testosterone is our anabolic BASE.

Human Growth Hormone (HGH)
One of the most popular add-ons while on Testosterone. Why?
Testosterone builds muscle through androgen receptors, your AR density is genetic. HGH works through a completely different pathway through increasing IGF-1 in the Liver, nutrient partitioning, and lipolysis.

Test will drive your protein synthesis and strength, HGH will aid in your fat loss and recovery. It also gives you better skin quality, joint health, and sleep.

Beginner / Fat-loss focused: 2 IU per day
Standard effective dose: 3 IU per day (most common sweet spot)
Advanced: 4–6 IU per day (higher sides and cost)

500 IU's with 96.4% Purity is around $350 USD.

@Zagro has written an in-depth thread on HGH:
https://looksmax.org/threads/hgh-101-everything-you-need-to-know.1423722/

Recommended Bloodwork Schedule
Baseline (Before Starting Cycle)
- Total Testosterone + Free Testosterone
- Sensitive Estradiol (E2)
- LH + FSH
- Prolactin
- CBC (includes Hematocrit, Hemoglobin, RBC)
- Lipid Panel (HDL, LDL, Triglycerides)
- PSA (Prostate Specific Antigen)
- Liver Enzymes (ALT, AST, ALP)
- SHBG

How to get Bloodwork Requistions I show in this thread
https://looksmax.org/threads/free-bloodtest-and-prescriptions-method.1941922/#post-27196406

Week 6–8 (First On-Cycle Check)
After you’ve stabilized on your dose:

- Sensitive Estradiol (E2) – Most important early marker
- CBC / Hematocrit / Hemoglobin
- Lipid Panel
- Total Testosterone (to confirm levels)
- Prolactin (optional but useful)

Every 3 Months (Ongoing Monitoring)
Once you’re past the initial 8 weeks:
- Sensitive Estradiol (E2) > Aim for 73–183 pmol/L
- CBC / Hematocrit / Hemoglobin > Keep under 52%. Donate blood if it goes higher.
- Lipid Panel > Watch HDL, ideally >40 mg/dL and LDL. Omega-3 helps a lot here.
- PSA > Should stay in normal range. Any big jump needs attention.
- Liver Enzymes > Monitor closely while on Accutane.
- Prolactin (if previously elevated)

PCT (For Men with Fat Pussies)
Post Cycle Therapy
If for some reason you needed or wanted to come off Testosterone, here is how you'd go about it.

Most guys mess this part up. Retards either cold-turkey it and crash hard, or they run an outdated PCT that leaves them with low energy, lost gains, and depressed for months. Don’t be that guy.

Taper the Dose (4–6 weeks)
Do not go from 400 mg straight to zero. Drop gradually:
Weeks 1–2: Drop to 300 mg/week
Weeks 3–4: Drop to 200 mg/week

Weeks 5–6: Drop to 100 mg/week (or 150 mg if you feel too bad)
This slow taper gives your body time to start restarting natural production instead of slamming the brakes and crashing

Run a Proper PCT
Once you’re at 100–150 mg/week or lower, start PCT:

hCG – 1000–1500 IU every other day for 2 weeks (highly recommended if you were on hCG on-cycle)
Clomid– 50 mg daily for 4 weeks, then 25 mg daily for 2 weeks
Nolvadex (Tamoxifen) – 20 mg daily for 4 weeks, then 10 mg daily for 2 weeks
(You can run both Clomid + Nolvadex together for better results)

Total PCT length should be 6–8 weeks after your last testosterone injection.

We taper off slowly, which won't give us a hormonal crash, we use hCG to jumpstart our Testes, and then we use CLomid and Nolvadex to block E2 and signal our pituitary and simulate our natural LH/FSH Production again.


View attachment 4868985
Why Being Natural Is Cope

There is NOTHING Natural about modern society.

Anyone who says they want to try the "natural" way to raise T or moralsplain to you on why you should not take Exogenous Hormones, tell them that next time they get infection, don't take antibiotics, those aren't natural, in fact, none of modern medicine, so just die to an infected cut. Cars? Very unnatural, use a horse, or better yet, walk.

But they won't, because cars, and other unnatural things are convenient. Injecting Exogenous Testosterone is not only MORE convenient but it's even SUPERIOR to Endogenous Testosterone.

People every day take advantage of the most unnatural habits, do not join them in their sheep-like delusions. Never before have you had MORE tools at your disposal to ascend, to become a better man. Do it now or regret it. Do not aim to live the longest, down to the last second, but to live to the fullest.​

I’m very new and this was very useful thanks for how can I obtain the knowledge sources etc ,I have no idea and would be very helpful if you could tell me

 

[im.dark.wrld]

I’m very new and this was very useful thanks for how can I obtain the knowledge sources etc ,I have no idea and would be very helpful if you could tell me

The sources genuinely just depends on where you're from, so where are you from?

 

[symetrical]

The sources genuinely just depends on where you're from, so where are you from?

from the uk

 

[Levi!]

The ULTIMATE Guide for First-Time Testosterone Users (2026)

THIS IS THE ONLY TIME IN ALL OF HISTORY TO INJECT, FEEL, AND POSSESS LEVELS OF TESTOSTERONE NO OTHER MAN HAS HAD BEFORE... AND YOU ARE GOING TO MISS OUT ON THIS?

View attachment 4869128
“It is a shame for a man to grow old without seeing the beauty and strength of which his body is capable.”

Why Do You Want Supraphysiological levels of Testosterone?
When you inject exogenous testosterone, your blood levels become far more stable than they ever were naturally. Even if you had “normal” natural levels (400–700 ng/dL), they still fluctuated daily. On 300–600 mg/week injected properly, you will experience stable Testosterone levels throughout the day IF you are pinning 5x-7x a week.


The most famous study on Supra Levels of Testosterone is Bhasin 1996

In this study, normal men were given 600 mg of testosterone enanthate per week for 10 weeks. The most important group in this study was the group that was ON Supraphysiological levels of T and DID NOT WORK OUT.

The group that received testosterone without training gained significantly MORE muscle mass and strength than the group that trained naturally without testosterone.


THIS is why you want to be at supraphysiological levels of Testosterone.

At this level, everything is significantly improved.
Protein Synthesis goes way up (20-40% depending on person)
Nutrient partitioning, more of what you eat goes toward building muscle instead of fat.
The most noticeable and life changing thing will be going from Low T (200-400) to Supra T, I would liken to second puberty.

WHAT ARE YOUR GOALS?
Confidence? Supra T will do this.
Muscle Gain? Supra T will do this.
Libido? Supra T will do this.
Drive? Supra T will do this.
Amazing Energy Levels? Supra T will do this.
Mental Clarity? Supra T will do this.
Insane Recovery? Supra T will do this.
Permanent Muscle Memory? Supra T will do this.

If you are under 25:
You’re still in a window where higher testosterone can enhance masculine features over time. Increased jaw density and masseter thickness, broader shoulders and upper chest, and Fat redistribution away from the face and lower body. But these are SLOW and TAKE TIME. Hence why the most important part we will speak on is:

How Long Should My First Cycle Be?

9-12 Months minimum.
Why?

The first 4–8 weeks are quick strength, fullness, and mental changes from elevated hormones and water/glycogen. I was going to do one vial of T when I first started, and thought that was good enough. But once you feel 2000ng, it's hard to go back.

Permanent muscle growth, you'll develop new myonuclei and contractile tissue which ONLY accelerates after week 8–10 and continues strongly through months 4–12.

( ! ) Running shorter cycles for 8–12 weeks is retarded, you are LEAVING right as the best gains are starting to compound. ( ! )

A longer first cycle gives you time to learn how your body responds, dial in estrogen management, bloodwork, training, and diet. all while building significant muscle memory that stays with you even if you eventually cruise or come off.

View attachment 4869129
What Are The Side Effects? How Can I Counter Them?

Supraphysiological testosterone, it's in the name, Supra, Beyond Natural. With that comes responsibility. Every benefit has potential downsides. The good news is that most sides are manageable IF you stay PROACTIVE with bloodwork, supplements, and YOUR lifestyle.​

---

1. ESTROGEN
Water retention, facial puffiness, mood swings, irritability, increased anger, possible gyno sensitivity. Mine was very high.
View attachment 4868810
HOW TO COUNTER HIGH ESTROGEN
Use Aromasin AFTER BLOODTEST I was a super aromatizer, but you might not be. Higher fat = more aromatization. If you CRUSH your E2 you will be miserable. STAY HYDRATED.
Aromasin cost $60 USD​

---

2. FERTILITY
Your natural LH/FSH shuts down, balls shrink and sperm production drops.

This happens because your body believes you have too much Testosterone, and therefore, you are not needing to produce your own. So to counter this, we are going to REPLACE LH with hCG, which will be taken LH's place.

HOW TO COUNTER BALL ATROPHY + MAINTAIN SPERMATOGENESIS
Run hCG at 750-1,000 IU per week. 60,000 IU's of hCG cost $100 USD. This will cover you for 80 weeks IF you run 750 IU's a week.​

---

3. RBC (Red Blood Cell Count)
When at very high levels of Testosterone, you will produce more RBC, Hematocrit can rise, blood pressure can increase, HDL often drops, LDL can rise.

( ! ) ALL CARDIOVASCULAR BLACK BOX LABELS WERE REMOVED FROM TESTOSTERONE IN 2025 BY FDA ( ! )
(LINK)
HOW TO COUNTER HIGH RBC
Donate blood if HCT goes above 52%. So you basically get to save other peoples lives and keep RBC in check. Not really a downside.
LOWERING your Testosterone Dosage is also an option.
Monitor your Blood Pressure at home once a week.​

---

4. HAIR LOSS & ACNE
DHT accelerates male pattern baldness (if predisposed to it) and increases oiliness/acne.

HOW TO COUNTER ACNE AND HAIRLOSS
Finasteride 1.25 mg daily blocks most DHT conversion.
Oral Minoxidil 2.5 mg daily helps maintain and regrow hair. Also slightly lowers BP
Accutane 40–60 mg, this is extremely effective for acne/oil control, check Liver while on this. Permanently will shrink pores (W)

5. OXIDATIVE STRESS (Long Term Usage 6-12 months)
When you run supraphysiological testosterone for a long time, your body produces significantly more ROS. This comes from your newly increased metabolic rate and newly elevated red blood cell count.

IF you left this unchecked, OS can damage your cells, accelerate aging, and harm your lipids. The good news is that it’s highly manageable with the right support.


I take a comprehensive stack that is made to counter the oxidative load from Supra T:​

NAC (N-Acetylcysteine) 1200 mg – Directly boosts glutathione, the body’s master antioxidant. Essential for neutralizing ROS and protecting the liver (especially useful while on Accutane). IF YOU CAN AFFORD TO, INJECT GLUTATHIONE DIRECTLY, THE MASTER ANTI-OXIDANT OF YOUR BODY, NAC IS CHEAPER.

Alpha Lipoic Acid (ALA) 600 mg – Regenerates other antioxidants (including glutathione and CoQ10) and supports mitochondrial health.

Coenzyme Q10 (CoQ10) 200 mg – Protects mitochondria from oxidative damage and supports heart health as red blood cell count rises.

Omega-3 Fish Oil (3600 mg total, high EPA/DHA) – Anti-inflammatory that helps protect lipids and reduces systemic oxidative stress.

Magnesium 400–500 mg – Reduces inflammation and supports cellular energy production.

Vitamin D 6000 IU – Helps modulate immune response and lowers oxidative stress markers.

Semax Nasal Spray (100–200 mcg daily) – This is a strong neuroprotective and antioxidant effects in the brain. Increases BDNF and helps protect neurons from oxidative stress caused by high androgens and training.

$80–120 USD per month for full stack.
View attachment 4868872
What Should I Take To Support My Body At Supra Levels of T
​

Cialis (Tadalafil) 5 mg daily - Dirt cheap, great boners. AND It's Cardioprotective.

hCG 750 IU per week (350 IU, 2x per week) - Prevents severe testicular atrophy and helps preserve spermatogenesis

Aromasin 12.5 mg, 3x per week - Keeps estradiol in a healthy range. Prevents gyno, facial bloat, water retention, mood swings, and irritability caused by high Estrogen.

See above this section for Oxidative Stress Stack + Hair Loss Stack
View attachment 4869028
Recommended Dosage Progression
300–350 mg of Testosterone per week 4-8 weeks
This is the ideal starting range for most first-timers. It put me at 2000ng/dL. This dosage alone will give you noticeable benefits in muscle gains, strength, energy, and confidence while keeping side effects VERY manageable.

At this level, you will figure out how bad your body aromatizes into Estrogen, how your hematocrit responds, and how you feel mentally before pushing higher.​

---

400-450 mg of Testosterone per week 8-15 weeks (After Bloodwork)
This is the sweet spot for most men. The jump from 300–350 mg to 400 mg will give you improvement in gains, your recovery, and overall feeling without a massive spike in sides, why? Because managed them FIRST on the lower dosage, now our body is ready for more, and we know how we respond.
​

---

500-600 mg of Testosterone per week 16+ weeks (Run for 4-9 weeks, return to 325-400)
This is still within a “clinical supraphysiological” range, if you even care about staying within the clinical dosage ranges. Going above 600 mg will likely bring you diminishing returns and a much steeper increase in side effects.​

---

What Compounds Actually Pairs Well With Testosterone
Once you’re comfortable with testosterone alone, many users consider adding other anabolic compounds to enhance results. The smartest additions are those that COMPLIMENT testosterone, because Testosterone is our anabolic BASE.

Human Growth Hormone (HGH)
One of the most popular add-ons while on Testosterone. Why?
Testosterone builds muscle through androgen receptors, your AR density is genetic. HGH works through a completely different pathway through increasing IGF-1 in the Liver, nutrient partitioning, and lipolysis.

Test will drive your protein synthesis and strength, HGH will aid in your fat loss and recovery. It also gives you better skin quality, joint health, and sleep.

Beginner / Fat-loss focused: 2 IU per day
Standard effective dose: 3 IU per day (most common sweet spot)
Advanced: 4–6 IU per day (higher sides and cost)

500 IU's with 96.4% Purity is around $350 USD.

@Zagro has written an in-depth thread on HGH:
https://looksmax.org/threads/hgh-101-everything-you-need-to-know.1423722/

Recommended Bloodwork Schedule
Baseline (Before Starting Cycle)
- Total Testosterone + Free Testosterone
- Sensitive Estradiol (E2)
- LH + FSH
- Prolactin
- CBC (includes Hematocrit, Hemoglobin, RBC)
- Lipid Panel (HDL, LDL, Triglycerides)
- PSA (Prostate Specific Antigen)
- Liver Enzymes (ALT, AST, ALP)
- SHBG

How to get Bloodwork Requistions I show in this thread
https://looksmax.org/threads/free-bloodtest-and-prescriptions-method.1941922/#post-27196406

Week 6–8 (First On-Cycle Check)
After you’ve stabilized on your dose:

- Sensitive Estradiol (E2) – Most important early marker
- CBC / Hematocrit / Hemoglobin
- Lipid Panel
- Total Testosterone (to confirm levels)
- Prolactin (optional but useful)

Every 3 Months (Ongoing Monitoring)
Once you’re past the initial 8 weeks:
- Sensitive Estradiol (E2) > Aim for 73–183 pmol/L
- CBC / Hematocrit / Hemoglobin > Keep under 52%. Donate blood if it goes higher.
- Lipid Panel > Watch HDL, ideally >40 mg/dL and LDL. Omega-3 helps a lot here.
- PSA > Should stay in normal range. Any big jump needs attention.
- Liver Enzymes > Monitor closely while on Accutane.
- Prolactin (if previously elevated)

PCT (For Men with Fat Pussies)
Post Cycle Therapy
If for some reason you needed or wanted to come off Testosterone, here is how you'd go about it.

Most guys mess this part up. Retards either cold-turkey it and crash hard, or they run an outdated PCT that leaves them with low energy, lost gains, and depressed for months. Don’t be that guy.

Taper the Dose (4–6 weeks)
Do not go from 400 mg straight to zero. Drop gradually:
Weeks 1–2: Drop to 300 mg/week
Weeks 3–4: Drop to 200 mg/week

Weeks 5–6: Drop to 100 mg/week (or 150 mg if you feel too bad)
This slow taper gives your body time to start restarting natural production instead of slamming the brakes and crashing

Run a Proper PCT
Once you’re at 100–150 mg/week or lower, start PCT:

hCG – 1000–1500 IU every other day for 2 weeks (highly recommended if you were on hCG on-cycle)
Clomid– 50 mg daily for 4 weeks, then 25 mg daily for 2 weeks
Nolvadex (Tamoxifen) – 20 mg daily for 4 weeks, then 10 mg daily for 2 weeks
(You can run both Clomid + Nolvadex together for better results)

Total PCT length should be 6–8 weeks after your last testosterone injection.

We taper off slowly, which won't give us a hormonal crash, we use hCG to jumpstart our Testes, and then we use CLomid and Nolvadex to block E2 and signal our pituitary and simulate our natural LH/FSH Production again.


View attachment 4868985
Why Being Natural Is Cope

There is NOTHING Natural about modern society.

Anyone who says they want to try the "natural" way to raise T or moralsplain to you on why you should not take Exogenous Hormones, tell them that next time they get infection, don't take antibiotics, those aren't natural, in fact, none of modern medicine, so just die to an infected cut. Cars? Very unnatural, use a horse, or better yet, walk.

But they won't, because cars, and other unnatural things are convenient. Injecting Exogenous Testosterone is not only MORE convenient but it's even SUPERIOR to Endogenous Testosterone.

People every day take advantage of the most unnatural habits, do not join them in their sheep-like delusions. Never before have you had MORE tools at your disposal to ascend, to become a better man. Do it now or regret it. Do not aim to live the longest, down to the last second, but to live to the fullest.​

Mirin the iq

 

[Finncelchud]

from the uk

Just go on steroidwiki or meso rx and find your sources there

 

[symetrical]

Just go on steroidwiki or meso rx and find your sources there

I’m 18 bro I want go as cheap as possible

 

[Finncelchud]

I’m 18 bro I want go as cheap as possible

a vial of test is like 35$ so it isin't expensive

 

[Aloof]

@LTB_slayr

 

[Faustum]

I’m very new and this was very useful thanks for how can I obtain the knowledge sources etc ,I have no idea and would be very helpful if you could tell me

Body building forums have "Sources" section in your country. All the roid heads give their exp and validation of that source.

 

[TheOsei]

Son... Testosterone is what grows your mandible and your brow ridge, it's the main driver of dimorphism.

Yes there are more theoretical methods that can probably deliver more, but we know Testosterone drives this, and you can run Test at Supra levels.

No really? Androgens drive dimorphism. There are other androgens that bind at much higher magnitude, not theoretical, without causing excess e2 lol. no anastrozole cant stop all peripheral conversion. Letro would destroy local brain neurosteroid synthesis too.

 

[Faustum]

No really? Androgens drive dimorphism. There are other androgens that bind at much higher magnitude, not theoretical, without causing excess e2 lol. no anastrozole cant stop all peripheral conversion. Letro would destroy local brain neurosteroid synthesis too.

Are you referring to Tren? Because yes I've already said that is superior to Testosterone (5x the AR rating than Test, and in rats its up to 14x) Tren would probably do more however.

Testosterone at Supra levels will also convert into DHT at supra levels, which aids dimorphism greatly and is necessary for penile development.

AI's on their own do not cause the brain issues, explicitly referring to Araomsin and Armidex in so far as E2 is in range and not crushed.

 

[Rmax]

What about ED side effects from finasteride/dutasteride?

 

[Faustum]

What about ED side effects from finasteride/dutasteride?

Less than 1% and if you do get it, it mostly goes away over time.

If not, just stop it.

 

[Rmax]

Less than 1% and if you do get it, it mostly goes away over time.

If not, just stop it.

Ok, let’s say I need to stop taking it what else should I take to stop hairloss?

 

[tayolite]

Do not do 300mg for 5 months. You want permanent gains right? Muscle Nuceli which according to recent research NEVER will go away? Run 12 months and do a blast.

Myonuclei added during steroid-supported hypertrophy largely stick around, often for years or potentially lifelong. This creates a higher “muscle memory” ceiling: you can regain size faster later and potentially carry more muscle long-term than a lifetime natural.

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I started at 300mg for 10 weeks, then did 400mg until 15 weeks. And from there I do 580mg a week until July, until I return to a cruise dosage of 200mg-250mg.

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Do NOT stop at 5 months. At LEAST do a full 9-12 months. CJC is practically useless compared to HGH but if you have it, might as well use it.

Don't know about new bone, and you are already out of puberty, but Testosterone is what drives the mandible and your brow ridge. But on Test you'll gain muscles everywhere even on face if you work them out. You have so much extra Test and Androgenic environment that it can give resources to those muscles.

For sourcing test, you have to go DOMESTIC. So that means only within your country. The way I found my supplier was on BODY BUILDING FORUMS they have it by country, and they have a sources section where all the roid heads give support or downvote to companies selling roids. I had to go through a private website and email.


Highly recommend, put this in Grok to help find a good site ^

so I should start with 500mg? 9-12 months is a lot of injection time and commitment I'm doing this cycle cause summer I live alone, august September im back on campus may become inconsistent, you said 300mg is too small, is it too small to see keepable gains should I start with 500mg instead based on my stats, my main problem with that is recover is running a longer cycle (9-12months) with a higher dose are my chances of recovery going to drop compared to 300mg for 5months? because I don't want to cycle forever my main goal is a high SMV physique and some facial dimorphism one long one should be enough. Also I wanted to ask about injection frequency isn't it based on e2 symptoms if someone experiences none while injecting twice a week shouldn't they be good? I'm 19 is HGH really worth it for me would it help facially or just physique wise? Sorry for the load of questions figured I should ask everything at once instead of 1 by 1

 

[guts000]

The ULTIMATE Guide for First-Time Testosterone Users (2026)

THIS IS THE ONLY TIME IN ALL OF HISTORY TO INJECT, FEEL, AND POSSESS LEVELS OF TESTOSTERONE NO OTHER MAN HAS HAD BEFORE... AND YOU ARE GOING TO MISS OUT ON THIS?

View attachment 4869128
“It is a shame for a man to grow old without seeing the beauty and strength of which his body is capable.”

Why Do You Want Supraphysiological levels of Testosterone?
When you inject exogenous testosterone, your blood levels become far more stable than they ever were naturally. Even if you had “normal” natural levels (400–700 ng/dL), they still fluctuated daily. On 300–600 mg/week injected properly, you will experience stable Testosterone levels throughout the day IF you are pinning 5x-7x a week.


The most famous study on Supra Levels of Testosterone is Bhasin 1996

In this study, normal men were given 600 mg of testosterone enanthate per week for 10 weeks. The most important group in this study was the group that was ON Supraphysiological levels of T and DID NOT WORK OUT.

The group that received testosterone without training gained significantly MORE muscle mass and strength than the group that trained naturally without testosterone.


THIS is why you want to be at supraphysiological levels of Testosterone.

At this level, everything is significantly improved.
Protein Synthesis goes way up (20-40% depending on person)
Nutrient partitioning, more of what you eat goes toward building muscle instead of fat.
The most noticeable and life changing thing will be going from Low T (200-400) to Supra T, I would liken to second puberty.

WHAT ARE YOUR GOALS?
Confidence? Supra T will do this.
Muscle Gain? Supra T will do this.
Libido? Supra T will do this.
Drive? Supra T will do this.
Amazing Energy Levels? Supra T will do this.
Mental Clarity? Supra T will do this.
Insane Recovery? Supra T will do this.
Permanent Muscle Memory? Supra T will do this.

If you are under 25:
You’re still in a window where higher testosterone can enhance masculine features over time. Increased jaw density and masseter thickness, broader shoulders and upper chest, and Fat redistribution away from the face and lower body. But these are SLOW and TAKE TIME. Hence why the most important part we will speak on is:

How Long Should My First Cycle Be?

9-12 Months minimum.
Why?

The first 4–8 weeks are quick strength, fullness, and mental changes from elevated hormones and water/glycogen. I was going to do one vial of T when I first started, and thought that was good enough. But once you feel 2000ng, it's hard to go back.

Permanent muscle growth, you'll develop new myonuclei and contractile tissue which ONLY accelerates after week 8–10 and continues strongly through months 4–12.

( ! ) Running shorter cycles for 8–12 weeks is retarded, you are LEAVING right as the best gains are starting to compound. ( ! )

A longer first cycle gives you time to learn how your body responds, dial in estrogen management, bloodwork, training, and diet. all while building significant muscle memory that stays with you even if you eventually cruise or come off.

View attachment 4869129
What Are The Side Effects? How Can I Counter Them?

Supraphysiological testosterone, it's in the name, Supra, Beyond Natural. With that comes responsibility. Every benefit has potential downsides. The good news is that most sides are manageable IF you stay PROACTIVE with bloodwork, supplements, and YOUR lifestyle.​

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1. ESTROGEN
Water retention, facial puffiness, mood swings, irritability, increased anger, possible gyno sensitivity. Mine was very high.
View attachment 4868810
HOW TO COUNTER HIGH ESTROGEN
Use Aromasin AFTER BLOODTEST I was a super aromatizer, but you might not be. Higher fat = more aromatization. If you CRUSH your E2 you will be miserable. STAY HYDRATED.
Aromasin cost $60 USD​

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2. FERTILITY
Your natural LH/FSH shuts down, balls shrink and sperm production drops.

This happens because your body believes you have too much Testosterone, and therefore, you are not needing to produce your own. So to counter this, we are going to REPLACE LH with hCG, which will be taken LH's place.

HOW TO COUNTER BALL ATROPHY + MAINTAIN SPERMATOGENESIS
Run hCG at 750-1,000 IU per week. 60,000 IU's of hCG cost $100 USD. This will cover you for 80 weeks IF you run 750 IU's a week.​

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3. RBC (Red Blood Cell Count)
When at very high levels of Testosterone, you will produce more RBC, Hematocrit can rise, blood pressure can increase, HDL often drops, LDL can rise.

( ! ) ALL CARDIOVASCULAR BLACK BOX LABELS WERE REMOVED FROM TESTOSTERONE IN 2025 BY FDA ( ! )
(LINK)
HOW TO COUNTER HIGH RBC
Donate blood if HCT goes above 52%. So you basically get to save other peoples lives and keep RBC in check. Not really a downside.
LOWERING your Testosterone Dosage is also an option.
Monitor your Blood Pressure at home once a week.​

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4. HAIR LOSS & ACNE
DHT accelerates male pattern baldness (if predisposed to it) and increases oiliness/acne.

HOW TO COUNTER ACNE AND HAIRLOSS
Finasteride 1.25 mg daily blocks most DHT conversion.
Oral Minoxidil 2.5 mg daily helps maintain and regrow hair. Also slightly lowers BP
Accutane 40–60 mg, this is extremely effective for acne/oil control, check Liver while on this. Permanently will shrink pores (W)

5. OXIDATIVE STRESS (Long Term Usage 6-12 months)
When you run supraphysiological testosterone for a long time, your body produces significantly more ROS. This comes from your newly increased metabolic rate and newly elevated red blood cell count.

IF you left this unchecked, OS can damage your cells, accelerate aging, and harm your lipids. The good news is that it’s highly manageable with the right support.


I take a comprehensive stack that is made to counter the oxidative load from Supra T:​

NAC (N-Acetylcysteine) 1200 mg – Directly boosts glutathione, the body’s master antioxidant. Essential for neutralizing ROS and protecting the liver (especially useful while on Accutane). IF YOU CAN AFFORD TO, INJECT GLUTATHIONE DIRECTLY, THE MASTER ANTI-OXIDANT OF YOUR BODY, NAC IS CHEAPER.

Alpha Lipoic Acid (ALA) 600 mg – Regenerates other antioxidants (including glutathione and CoQ10) and supports mitochondrial health.

Coenzyme Q10 (CoQ10) 200 mg – Protects mitochondria from oxidative damage and supports heart health as red blood cell count rises.

Omega-3 Fish Oil (3600 mg total, high EPA/DHA) – Anti-inflammatory that helps protect lipids and reduces systemic oxidative stress.

Magnesium 400–500 mg – Reduces inflammation and supports cellular energy production.

Vitamin D 6000 IU – Helps modulate immune response and lowers oxidative stress markers.

Semax Nasal Spray (100–200 mcg daily) – This is a strong neuroprotective and antioxidant effects in the brain. Increases BDNF and helps protect neurons from oxidative stress caused by high androgens and training.

$80–120 USD per month for full stack.
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What Should I Take To Support My Body At Supra Levels of T
​

Cialis (Tadalafil) 5 mg daily - Dirt cheap, great boners. AND It's Cardioprotective.

hCG 750 IU per week (350 IU, 2x per week) - Prevents severe testicular atrophy and helps preserve spermatogenesis

Aromasin 12.5 mg, 3x per week - Keeps estradiol in a healthy range. Prevents gyno, facial bloat, water retention, mood swings, and irritability caused by high Estrogen.

See above this section for Oxidative Stress Stack + Hair Loss Stack
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Recommended Dosage Progression
300–350 mg of Testosterone per week 4-8 weeks
This is the ideal starting range for most first-timers. It put me at 2000ng/dL. This dosage alone will give you noticeable benefits in muscle gains, strength, energy, and confidence while keeping side effects VERY manageable.

At this level, you will figure out how bad your body aromatizes into Estrogen, how your hematocrit responds, and how you feel mentally before pushing higher.​

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400-450 mg of Testosterone per week 8-15 weeks (After Bloodwork)
This is the sweet spot for most men. The jump from 300–350 mg to 400 mg will give you improvement in gains, your recovery, and overall feeling without a massive spike in sides, why? Because managed them FIRST on the lower dosage, now our body is ready for more, and we know how we respond.
​

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500-600 mg of Testosterone per week 16+ weeks (Run for 4-9 weeks, return to 325-400)
This is still within a “clinical supraphysiological” range, if you even care about staying within the clinical dosage ranges. Going above 600 mg will likely bring you diminishing returns and a much steeper increase in side effects.​

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What Compounds Actually Pairs Well With Testosterone
Once you’re comfortable with testosterone alone, many users consider adding other anabolic compounds to enhance results. The smartest additions are those that COMPLIMENT testosterone, because Testosterone is our anabolic BASE.

Human Growth Hormone (HGH)
One of the most popular add-ons while on Testosterone. Why?
Testosterone builds muscle through androgen receptors, your AR density is genetic. HGH works through a completely different pathway through increasing IGF-1 in the Liver, nutrient partitioning, and lipolysis.

Test will drive your protein synthesis and strength, HGH will aid in your fat loss and recovery. It also gives you better skin quality, joint health, and sleep.

Beginner / Fat-loss focused: 2 IU per day
Standard effective dose: 3 IU per day (most common sweet spot)
Advanced: 4–6 IU per day (higher sides and cost)

500 IU's with 96.4% Purity is around $350 USD.

@Zagro has written an in-depth thread on HGH:
https://looksmax.org/threads/hgh-101-everything-you-need-to-know.1423722/

Recommended Bloodwork Schedule
Baseline (Before Starting Cycle)
- Total Testosterone + Free Testosterone
- Sensitive Estradiol (E2)
- LH + FSH
- Prolactin
- CBC (includes Hematocrit, Hemoglobin, RBC)
- Lipid Panel (HDL, LDL, Triglycerides)
- PSA (Prostate Specific Antigen)
- Liver Enzymes (ALT, AST, ALP)
- SHBG

How to get Bloodwork Requistions I show in this thread
https://looksmax.org/threads/free-bloodtest-and-prescriptions-method.1941922/#post-27196406

Week 6–8 (First On-Cycle Check)
After you’ve stabilized on your dose:

- Sensitive Estradiol (E2) – Most important early marker
- CBC / Hematocrit / Hemoglobin
- Lipid Panel
- Total Testosterone (to confirm levels)
- Prolactin (optional but useful)

Every 3 Months (Ongoing Monitoring)
Once you’re past the initial 8 weeks:
- Sensitive Estradiol (E2) > Aim for 73–183 pmol/L
- CBC / Hematocrit / Hemoglobin > Keep under 52%. Donate blood if it goes higher.
- Lipid Panel > Watch HDL, ideally >40 mg/dL and LDL. Omega-3 helps a lot here.
- PSA > Should stay in normal range. Any big jump needs attention.
- Liver Enzymes > Monitor closely while on Accutane.
- Prolactin (if previously elevated)

PCT (For Men with Fat Pussies)
Post Cycle Therapy
If for some reason you needed or wanted to come off Testosterone, here is how you'd go about it.

Most guys mess this part up. Retards either cold-turkey it and crash hard, or they run an outdated PCT that leaves them with low energy, lost gains, and depressed for months. Don’t be that guy.

Taper the Dose (4–6 weeks)
Do not go from 400 mg straight to zero. Drop gradually:
Weeks 1–2: Drop to 300 mg/week
Weeks 3–4: Drop to 200 mg/week

Weeks 5–6: Drop to 100 mg/week (or 150 mg if you feel too bad)
This slow taper gives your body time to start restarting natural production instead of slamming the brakes and crashing

Run a Proper PCT
Once you’re at 100–150 mg/week or lower, start PCT:

hCG – 1000–1500 IU every other day for 2 weeks (highly recommended if you were on hCG on-cycle)
Clomid– 50 mg daily for 4 weeks, then 25 mg daily for 2 weeks
Nolvadex (Tamoxifen) – 20 mg daily for 4 weeks, then 10 mg daily for 2 weeks
(You can run both Clomid + Nolvadex together for better results)

Total PCT length should be 6–8 weeks after your last testosterone injection.

We taper off slowly, which won't give us a hormonal crash, we use hCG to jumpstart our Testes, and then we use CLomid and Nolvadex to block E2 and signal our pituitary and simulate our natural LH/FSH Production again.


View attachment 4868985
Why Being Natural Is Cope

There is NOTHING Natural about modern society.

Anyone who says they want to try the "natural" way to raise T or moralsplain to you on why you should not take Exogenous Hormones, tell them that next time they get infection, don't take antibiotics, those aren't natural, in fact, none of modern medicine, so just die to an infected cut. Cars? Very unnatural, use a horse, or better yet, walk.

But they won't, because cars, and other unnatural things are convenient. Injecting Exogenous Testosterone is not only MORE convenient but it's even SUPERIOR to Endogenous Testosterone.

People every day take advantage of the most unnatural habits, do not join them in their sheep-like delusions. Never before have you had MORE tools at your disposal to ascend, to become a better man. Do it now or regret it. Do not aim to live the longest, down to the last second, but to live to the fullest.​

if im planning a long year cycle.i obv use pct at the end of it.but in beetwen do i have to do a pct/cruise phase?

 

[tayolite]

Just remember if Accutane wont work for you, there are lasers that shrink sebaceous glands. So no one really should have acne at this point even on roids.

could you elaborate more on this? what's the procedure called, price range, and availability

 

[Faustum]

Ok, let’s say I need to stop taking it what else should I take to stop hairloss?

DHT sensitivity in the follicles is genetic and blocking DHT is the only way we know how to preserve the hair at its current state.

Use oral Minoxdil as well it helps with eyebrows, eyelashes, hair, everywhere.

 

[Faustum]

if im planning a long year cycle.i obv use pct at the end of it.but in beetwen do i have to do a pct/cruise phase?

You should ramp up to a blast.

I did 10 weeks = 300mg
then from 10-15 weeks = 400mg
And then from 15-Until July = 580mg


So I blast until July and then chill at 250mg for a few months before my next blast.

 

[Faustum]

so I should start with 500mg? 9-12 months is a lot of injection time and commitment I'm doing this cycle cause summer I live alone, august September im back on campus may become inconsistent, you said 300mg is too small, is it too small to see keepable gains should I start with 500mg instead based on my stats, my main problem with that is recover is running a longer cycle (9-12months) with a higher dose are my chances of recovery going to drop compared to 300mg for 5months? because I don't want to cycle forever my main goal is a high SMV physique and some facial dimorphism one long one should be enough. Also I wanted to ask about injection frequency isn't it based on e2 symptoms if someone experiences none while injecting twice a week shouldn't they be good? I'm 19 is HGH really worth it for me would it help facially or just physique wise? Sorry for the load of questions figured I should ask everything at once instead of 1 by 1

You can start 500mg but you seem to not understand how it works when it comes to lean mass gains, like true muscle.

Actual muscle nucelli takes MONTHS, this is the muscle you'll keep in your tissue for the rest of your life and will aid you to mog when young, and save your life when old. I only first began to see ACTUAL mass at the 12 week mark.

If you want fast gains take Tren, Testosterone is not Tren. If you want facial dimorphism then you 100% have to take it longer.

Injection frequency you have to do 5 days a week minimum or daily. HGH is also something you have to take for 12 months, you won't notice much until 4-6 months on HGH. So not good.

 

[guts000]

Its better to cruise than pct

if im doing a year long cycle,is it mandetory to do a cruise phase in beetwen?

 

[tayolite]

You can start 500mg but you seem to not understand how it works when it comes to lean mass gains, like true muscle.

Actual muscle nucelli takes MONTHS, this is the muscle you'll keep in your tissue for the rest of your life and will aid you to mog when young, and save your life when old. I only first began to see ACTUAL mass at the 12 week mark.
View attachment 5000744
If you want fast gains take Tren, Testosterone is not Tren. If you want facial dimorphism then you 100% have to take it longer.

Injection frequency you have to do 5 days a week minimum or daily. HGH is also something you have to take for 12 months, you won't notice much until 4-6 months on HGH. So not good.
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Thank you for replying, sorry if I seem not to understand just want to be sure pre cycle, so 300-500mg for around 9-12months then I can decide whether to pct from there or keep going at a cruise phase for health then cycle again my question is if I decide 1 cycle I’ve gotten the perma gains I want is it going to be harder to recover since I blasted for so long. Also could I pm so you can teach me how to find sources on mesorx

 

[Faustum]

if im doing a year long cycle,is it mandetory to do a cruise phase in beetwen?

No but you should go back down to 250-300mg a week depending on blood markers.

Im adding Tren 75mg a week ontop of my 580mg Test a week because my blast ends in July.

 

[GermanSubmarine]

The ULTIMATE Guide for First-Time Testosterone Users (2026)

THIS IS THE ONLY TIME IN ALL OF HISTORY TO INJECT, FEEL, AND POSSESS LEVELS OF TESTOSTERONE NO OTHER MAN HAS HAD BEFORE... AND YOU ARE GOING TO MISS OUT ON THIS?

View attachment 4869128
“It is a shame for a man to grow old without seeing the beauty and strength of which his body is capable.”

Why Do You Want Supraphysiological levels of Testosterone?
When you inject exogenous testosterone, your blood levels become far more stable than they ever were naturally. Even if you had “normal” natural levels (400–700 ng/dL), they still fluctuated daily. On 300–600 mg/week injected properly, you will experience stable Testosterone levels throughout the day IF you are pinning 5x-7x a week.


The most famous study on Supra Levels of Testosterone is Bhasin 1996

In this study, normal men were given 600 mg of testosterone enanthate per week for 10 weeks. The most important group in this study was the group that was ON Supraphysiological levels of T and DID NOT WORK OUT.

The group that received testosterone without training gained significantly MORE muscle mass and strength than the group that trained naturally without testosterone.


THIS is why you want to be at supraphysiological levels of Testosterone.

At this level, everything is significantly improved.
Protein Synthesis goes way up (20-40% depending on person)
Nutrient partitioning, more of what you eat goes toward building muscle instead of fat.
The most noticeable and life changing thing will be going from Low T (200-400) to Supra T, I would liken to second puberty.

WHAT ARE YOUR GOALS?
Confidence? Supra T will do this.
Muscle Gain? Supra T will do this.
Libido? Supra T will do this.
Drive? Supra T will do this.
Amazing Energy Levels? Supra T will do this.
Mental Clarity? Supra T will do this.
Insane Recovery? Supra T will do this.
Permanent Muscle Memory? Supra T will do this.

If you are under 25:
You’re still in a window where higher testosterone can enhance masculine features over time. Increased jaw density and masseter thickness, broader shoulders and upper chest, and Fat redistribution away from the face and lower body. But these are SLOW and TAKE TIME. Hence why the most important part we will speak on is:

How Long Should My First Cycle Be?

9-12 Months minimum.
Why?

The first 4–8 weeks are quick strength, fullness, and mental changes from elevated hormones and water/glycogen. I was going to do one vial of T when I first started, and thought that was good enough. But once you feel 2000ng, it's hard to go back.

Permanent muscle growth, you'll develop new myonuclei and contractile tissue which ONLY accelerates after week 8–10 and continues strongly through months 4–12.

( ! ) Running shorter cycles for 8–12 weeks is retarded, you are LEAVING right as the best gains are starting to compound. ( ! )

A longer first cycle gives you time to learn how your body responds, dial in estrogen management, bloodwork, training, and diet. all while building significant muscle memory that stays with you even if you eventually cruise or come off.

View attachment 4869129
What Are The Side Effects? How Can I Counter Them?

Supraphysiological testosterone, it's in the name, Supra, Beyond Natural. With that comes responsibility. Every benefit has potential downsides. The good news is that most sides are manageable IF you stay PROACTIVE with bloodwork, supplements, and YOUR lifestyle.​

---

1. ESTROGEN
Water retention, facial puffiness, mood swings, irritability, increased anger, possible gyno sensitivity. Mine was very high.
View attachment 4868810
HOW TO COUNTER HIGH ESTROGEN
Use Aromasin AFTER BLOODTEST I was a super aromatizer, but you might not be. Higher fat = more aromatization. If you CRUSH your E2 you will be miserable. STAY HYDRATED.
Aromasin cost $60 USD​

---

2. FERTILITY
Your natural LH/FSH shuts down, balls shrink and sperm production drops.

This happens because your body believes you have too much Testosterone, and therefore, you are not needing to produce your own. So to counter this, we are going to REPLACE LH with hCG, which will be taken LH's place.

HOW TO COUNTER BALL ATROPHY + MAINTAIN SPERMATOGENESIS
Run hCG at 750-1,000 IU per week. 60,000 IU's of hCG cost $100 USD. This will cover you for 80 weeks IF you run 750 IU's a week.​

---

3. RBC (Red Blood Cell Count)
When at very high levels of Testosterone, you will produce more RBC, Hematocrit can rise, blood pressure can increase, HDL often drops, LDL can rise.

( ! ) ALL CARDIOVASCULAR BLACK BOX LABELS WERE REMOVED FROM TESTOSTERONE IN 2025 BY FDA ( ! )
(LINK)
HOW TO COUNTER HIGH RBC
Donate blood if HCT goes above 52%. So you basically get to save other peoples lives and keep RBC in check. Not really a downside.
LOWERING your Testosterone Dosage is also an option.
Monitor your Blood Pressure at home once a week.​

---

4. HAIR LOSS & ACNE
DHT accelerates male pattern baldness (if predisposed to it) and increases oiliness/acne.

HOW TO COUNTER ACNE AND HAIRLOSS
Finasteride 1.25 mg daily blocks most DHT conversion.
Oral Minoxidil 2.5 mg daily helps maintain and regrow hair. Also slightly lowers BP
Accutane 40–60 mg, this is extremely effective for acne/oil control, check Liver while on this. Permanently will shrink pores (W)

5. OXIDATIVE STRESS (Long Term Usage 6-12 months)
When you run supraphysiological testosterone for a long time, your body produces significantly more ROS. This comes from your newly increased metabolic rate and newly elevated red blood cell count.

IF you left this unchecked, OS can damage your cells, accelerate aging, and harm your lipids. The good news is that it’s highly manageable with the right support.


I take a comprehensive stack that is made to counter the oxidative load from Supra T:​

NAC (N-Acetylcysteine) 1200 mg – Directly boosts glutathione, the body’s master antioxidant. Essential for neutralizing ROS and protecting the liver (especially useful while on Accutane). IF YOU CAN AFFORD TO, INJECT GLUTATHIONE DIRECTLY, THE MASTER ANTI-OXIDANT OF YOUR BODY, NAC IS CHEAPER.

Alpha Lipoic Acid (ALA) 600 mg – Regenerates other antioxidants (including glutathione and CoQ10) and supports mitochondrial health.

Coenzyme Q10 (CoQ10) 200 mg – Protects mitochondria from oxidative damage and supports heart health as red blood cell count rises.

Omega-3 Fish Oil (3600 mg total, high EPA/DHA) – Anti-inflammatory that helps protect lipids and reduces systemic oxidative stress.

Magnesium 400–500 mg – Reduces inflammation and supports cellular energy production.

Vitamin D 6000 IU – Helps modulate immune response and lowers oxidative stress markers.

Semax Nasal Spray (100–200 mcg daily) – This is a strong neuroprotective and antioxidant effects in the brain. Increases BDNF and helps protect neurons from oxidative stress caused by high androgens and training.

$80–120 USD per month for full stack.
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What Should I Take To Support My Body At Supra Levels of T
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Cialis (Tadalafil) 5 mg daily - Dirt cheap, great boners. AND It's Cardioprotective.

hCG 750 IU per week (350 IU, 2x per week) - Prevents severe testicular atrophy and helps preserve spermatogenesis

Aromasin 12.5 mg, 3x per week - Keeps estradiol in a healthy range. Prevents gyno, facial bloat, water retention, mood swings, and irritability caused by high Estrogen.

See above this section for Oxidative Stress Stack + Hair Loss Stack
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Recommended Dosage Progression
300–350 mg of Testosterone per week 4-8 weeks
This is the ideal starting range for most first-timers. It put me at 2000ng/dL. This dosage alone will give you noticeable benefits in muscle gains, strength, energy, and confidence while keeping side effects VERY manageable.

At this level, you will figure out how bad your body aromatizes into Estrogen, how your hematocrit responds, and how you feel mentally before pushing higher.​

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400-450 mg of Testosterone per week 8-15 weeks (After Bloodwork)
This is the sweet spot for most men. The jump from 300–350 mg to 400 mg will give you improvement in gains, your recovery, and overall feeling without a massive spike in sides, why? Because managed them FIRST on the lower dosage, now our body is ready for more, and we know how we respond.
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500-600 mg of Testosterone per week 16+ weeks (Run for 4-9 weeks, return to 325-400)
This is still within a “clinical supraphysiological” range, if you even care about staying within the clinical dosage ranges. Going above 600 mg will likely bring you diminishing returns and a much steeper increase in side effects.​

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What Compounds Actually Pairs Well With Testosterone
Once you’re comfortable with testosterone alone, many users consider adding other anabolic compounds to enhance results. The smartest additions are those that COMPLIMENT testosterone, because Testosterone is our anabolic BASE.

Human Growth Hormone (HGH)
One of the most popular add-ons while on Testosterone. Why?
Testosterone builds muscle through androgen receptors, your AR density is genetic. HGH works through a completely different pathway through increasing IGF-1 in the Liver, nutrient partitioning, and lipolysis.

Test will drive your protein synthesis and strength, HGH will aid in your fat loss and recovery. It also gives you better skin quality, joint health, and sleep.

Beginner / Fat-loss focused: 2 IU per day
Standard effective dose: 3 IU per day (most common sweet spot)
Advanced: 4–6 IU per day (higher sides and cost)

500 IU's with 96.4% Purity is around $350 USD.

@Zagro has written an in-depth thread on HGH:
https://looksmax.org/threads/hgh-101-everything-you-need-to-know.1423722/

Recommended Bloodwork Schedule
Baseline (Before Starting Cycle)
- Total Testosterone + Free Testosterone
- Sensitive Estradiol (E2)
- LH + FSH
- Prolactin
- CBC (includes Hematocrit, Hemoglobin, RBC)
- Lipid Panel (HDL, LDL, Triglycerides)
- PSA (Prostate Specific Antigen)
- Liver Enzymes (ALT, AST, ALP)
- SHBG

How to get Bloodwork Requistions I show in this thread
https://looksmax.org/threads/free-bloodtest-and-prescriptions-method.1941922/#post-27196406

Week 6–8 (First On-Cycle Check)
After you’ve stabilized on your dose:

- Sensitive Estradiol (E2) – Most important early marker
- CBC / Hematocrit / Hemoglobin
- Lipid Panel
- Total Testosterone (to confirm levels)
- Prolactin (optional but useful)

Every 3 Months (Ongoing Monitoring)
Once you’re past the initial 8 weeks:
- Sensitive Estradiol (E2) > Aim for 73–183 pmol/L
- CBC / Hematocrit / Hemoglobin > Keep under 52%. Donate blood if it goes higher.
- Lipid Panel > Watch HDL, ideally >40 mg/dL and LDL. Omega-3 helps a lot here.
- PSA > Should stay in normal range. Any big jump needs attention.
- Liver Enzymes > Monitor closely while on Accutane.
- Prolactin (if previously elevated)

PCT (For Men with Fat Pussies)
Post Cycle Therapy
If for some reason you needed or wanted to come off Testosterone, here is how you'd go about it.

Most guys mess this part up. Retards either cold-turkey it and crash hard, or they run an outdated PCT that leaves them with low energy, lost gains, and depressed for months. Don’t be that guy.

Taper the Dose (4–6 weeks)
Do not go from 400 mg straight to zero. Drop gradually:
Weeks 1–2: Drop to 300 mg/week
Weeks 3–4: Drop to 200 mg/week

Weeks 5–6: Drop to 100 mg/week (or 150 mg if you feel too bad)
This slow taper gives your body time to start restarting natural production instead of slamming the brakes and crashing

Run a Proper PCT
Once you’re at 100–150 mg/week or lower, start PCT:

hCG – 1000–1500 IU every other day for 2 weeks (highly recommended if you were on hCG on-cycle)
Clomid– 50 mg daily for 4 weeks, then 25 mg daily for 2 weeks
Nolvadex (Tamoxifen) – 20 mg daily for 4 weeks, then 10 mg daily for 2 weeks
(You can run both Clomid + Nolvadex together for better results)

Total PCT length should be 6–8 weeks after your last testosterone injection.

We taper off slowly, which won't give us a hormonal crash, we use hCG to jumpstart our Testes, and then we use CLomid and Nolvadex to block E2 and signal our pituitary and simulate our natural LH/FSH Production again.


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Why Being Natural Is Cope

There is NOTHING Natural about modern society.

Anyone who says they want to try the "natural" way to raise T or moralsplain to you on why you should not take Exogenous Hormones, tell them that next time they get infection, don't take antibiotics, those aren't natural, in fact, none of modern medicine, so just die to an infected cut. Cars? Very unnatural, use a horse, or better yet, walk.

But they won't, because cars, and other unnatural things are convenient. Injecting Exogenous Testosterone is not only MORE convenient but it's even SUPERIOR to Endogenous Testosterone.

People every day take advantage of the most unnatural habits, do not join them in their sheep-like delusions. Never before have you had MORE tools at your disposal to ascend, to become a better man. Do it now or regret it. Do not aim to live the longest, down to the last second, but to live to the fullest.​

18 good time to ascend?