I am that Manlet Framecell that gets laid like crazy - Ask me anything

[NonChadSlayer]

Background​

Everyone claims to have a friend who is short and gets laid, well that's me.

EDIT- I wish I was a wide as how I look with these stretched photos

Except, I also have very narrow shoulders, small ribcage, short arms and legs, which make me look even smaller and weaker. In my untrained state, I get framemogged by guys that are 5'6.

I am also not athletic, (but I do work out a little) , I have less than 1000 followers on instagram. I am not rich. I do not have a deep voice.

Regardless of these facts, I banged the hottest and most girls out of anyone in my class at highschool. I had banged 100 girls before my 21st birthday, 8 girls in my first 2 weeks of university, and slayed the most of anyone at my college. I know this because all of the top slayers were friends with me. Even though Ive been in a relationship for the past 3 years, young hotties will regularly offer me sex when I am at parties, in town etc. They act all seductive with me, show off they body and hold eye contact with me, They say things like, "I know you said you have a girlfriend, but I promise I'll keep it a secret" or "Dont talk to me like that, or you'll me fall in love with you"

The girls I have been with have all been hotties, 90% of them around 8-9 in looks. Many of them are runway models, fitness models, bikini models, (2 have been in Dan Bilzarian's insta photos) pageant girls, Sugar babies, strippers (which are some of the most down to earth and loyal) and a handful of them are now married to multi-millionaires.

I have always, and will always get attention, attraction, flirting, and sex from women without much effort.

HOW is this possible?​

To put it in the terms used in this forum, I am stylemaxxed, (I grew up in a family that is very fashion consious, in a country that is not very fashionable)

I also have what I believe to be a seductive personality.

It is my belief that women are turned on by what they HEAR, much more than what they SEE

I also think a quick look around shows us that the looks threshold for men is very LOW. Once you pass that, the rest is your vibe and sub-communication, eye contact, emotional state, and conversational frame.

Lifefuel​

To get a girl to be OPEN to sleeping with you, you only need 1 THING to make her look, or catch her eye. This can be:

• The typical stuff discussed here like a good face, tall height, athletic frame, muscular body, or status or fame
• It can also be easy stuff like a cool beard or interesting tattoos, great style, good taste in jewellery, a great haircut
• I can go on and on about other stuff if you guys want, but in short, there is 1 thing for anyone, regardless of your genetics.

If you have the basics covered, and you have the 1 THING that gets her attention, the rest of the work is done by YOUR PERSONALITY and ability to get her turned on and close the deal.

I'm telling you, Ive seen so many tall, handsome chads get the eye roll and lose attraction when they act overly cocky, uncalibrated, abrasive etc.

LOOKS THEORY IS COPE​

I think a lot of people in this community like to fantasize that if they were good looking or tall, they could just roll around banging staceys all day without the risk of rejection or without having to work on their personality. This is fantasy. Chad might get laid 1/20 times by some insecure girl, looking to validate her own attractiveness if he does not have the social abilities to convert his good looks first impression into a more real attraction.

I'm open to any disagreements or questions, I can also supply proof over DM.

 

[Alexanderr]

Lifefuel for the shortcels among us

 

[HQNPmaxxing]

NTpilled again

 

[Amexmaxx]

Height? Also I would to see some receipts.

 

[DwayneWhite55]

Where are you from?

How wealthy are you and your family?

How old? I'm guessing teen

 

[gamma]

The final nail in the coffin @LooksOverAll

 

[Deleted member 7725]

The final nail in the coffin @LooksOverAll

Yeah bro, just buy his course through PMs and you can slay too. He's fucked Victoria Secret models and Dan Bilzerian's escorts for free. Just look her in the eyes bro. Only $997.

 

[NonChadSlayer]

Yeah bro, just buy his course through PMs and you can slay too. He's fucked Victoria Secret models and Dan Bilzerian's escorts for free. Just look her in the eyes bro. Only $997.

No Vitoria's secret models, but yes. to the Dan Bilzarian girls. I have one friend who dates a girl that was a vitoria's secret model tho. Lucky prick. And no, I have course to sell. Im not a PUA.

Height? Also I would to see some receipts.

5ft 8 measured by the doctor, 5ft 9 in most nikes, with a Dr Sholl's insert

 

[NonChadSlayer]

Where are you from?

How wealthy are you and your family?

How old? I'm guessing teen

I'm 28

I live in New Zealand, my family is eastern european.

My family is upper-middle class small business owners,They have a nice house and a few cars, but no pool parties or porche for my 18th birthday. nor was I socialised with the group or rich kids from the area.

With that said, I did make a large number of wealthy friends and did some rich kid shit during university. Backstage at concerts, vip at parties, invites from club promoters, went to some beach houses belonging to friends of friends. Watching their confidence when dealing with girls probably had some influence on how I approach it.

 

[Bitchwhipper2]

Background​

Everyone claims to have a friend who is short and gets laid, well that's me.

View attachment 1427785View attachment 1427786

EDIT- I wish I was a wide as how I look with these stretched photos

Except, I also have very narrow shoulders, small ribcage, short arms and legs, which make me look even smaller and weaker. In my untrained state, I get framemogged by guys that are 5'6.

I am also not athletic, (but I do work out a little) , I have less than 1000 followers on instagram. I am not rich. I do not have a deep voice.

Regardless of these facts, I banged the hottest and most girls out of anyone in my class at highschool. I had banged 100 girls before my 21st birthday, 8 girls in my first 2 weeks of university, and slayed the most of anyone at my college. I know this because all of the top slayers were friends with me. Even though Ive been in a relationship for the past 3 years, young hotties will regularly offer me sex when I am at parties, in town etc. They act all seductive with me, show off they body and hold eye contact with me, They say things like, "I know you said you have a girlfriend, but I promise I'll keep it a secret" or "Dont talk to me like that, or you'll me fall in love with you"

The girls I have been with have all been hotties, 90% of them around 8-9 in looks. Many of them are runway models, fitness models, bikini models, (2 have been in Dan Bilzarian's insta photos) pageant girls, Sugar babies, strippers (which are some of the most down to earth and loyal) and a handful of them are now married to multi-millionaires.

I have always, and will always get attention, attraction, flirting, and sex from women without much effort.

HOW is this possible?​

To put it in the terms used in this forum, I am stylemaxxed, (I grew up in a family that is very fashion consious, in a country that is not very fashionable)

I also have what I believe to be a seductive personality.

It is my belief that women are turned on by what they HEAR, much more than what they SEE

I also think a quick look around shows us that the looks threshold for men is very LOW. Once you pass that, the rest is your vibe and sub-communication, eye contact, emotional state, and conversational frame.

Lifefuel​

To get a girl to be OPEN to sleeping with you, you only need 1 THING to make her look, or catch her eye. This can be:

• The typical stuff discussed here like a good face, tall height, athletic frame, muscular body, or status or fame
• It can also be easy stuff like a cool beard or interesting tattoos, great style, good taste in jewellery, a great haircut
• I can go on and on about other stuff if you guys want, but in short, there is 1 thing for anyone, regardless of your genetics.

If you have the basics covered, and you have the 1 THING that gets her attention, the rest of the work is done by YOUR PERSONALITY and ability to get her turned on and close the deal.

I'm telling you, Ive seen so many tall, handsome chads get the eye roll and lose attraction when they act overly cocky, uncalibrated, abrasive etc.

LOOKS THEORY IS COPE​

I think a lot of people in this community like to fantasize that if they were good looking or tall, they could just roll around banging staceys all day without the risk of rejection or without having to work on their personality. This is fantasy. Chad might get laid 1/20 times by some insecure girl, looking to validate her own attractiveness if he does not have the social abilities to convert his good looks first impression into a more real attraction.

I'm open to any disagreements or questions, I can also supply proof over DM.

Im autist. Itsover.

Personalitypill destroyed me

 

[Amexmaxx]

5ft 8 measured by the doctor, 5ft 9 in most nikes, with a Dr Sholl's insert

5’8” is barely manlet territory.

 

[Deleted member 14561]

whats that seductive personality?

 

[NonChadSlayer]

whats that seductive personality?

I tied to describe it in the original post.

 

[NonChadSlayer]

Height? Also I would to see some receipts.

Receipts...

There is many, many more

 

[Deleted member 14561]

I tied to describe it in the original post.

being seductive is mostly about looks expecialy eye area ig

 

[NonChadSlayer]

being seductive is mostly about looks expecialy eye area ig

I think it has more to do with the words you use.

 

[anactualdude]

Background​

Everyone claims to have a friend who is short and gets laid, well that's me.

View attachment 1427785View attachment 1427786

EDIT- I wish I was a wide as how I look with these stretched photos

Except, I also have very narrow shoulders, small ribcage, short arms and legs, which make me look even smaller and weaker. In my untrained state, I get framemogged by guys that are 5'6.

I am also not athletic, (but I do work out a little) , I have less than 1000 followers on instagram. I am not rich. I do not have a deep voice.

Regardless of these facts, I banged the hottest and most girls out of anyone in my class at highschool. I had banged 100 girls before my 21st birthday, 8 girls in my first 2 weeks of university, and slayed the most of anyone at my college. I know this because all of the top slayers were friends with me. Even though Ive been in a relationship for the past 3 years, young hotties will regularly offer me sex when I am at parties, in town etc. They act all seductive with me, show off they body and hold eye contact with me, They say things like, "I know you said you have a girlfriend, but I promise I'll keep it a secret" or "Dont talk to me like that, or you'll me fall in love with you"

The girls I have been with have all been hotties, 90% of them around 8-9 in looks. Many of them are runway models, fitness models, bikini models, (2 have been in Dan Bilzarian's insta photos) pageant girls, Sugar babies, strippers (which are some of the most down to earth and loyal) and a handful of them are now married to multi-millionaires.

I have always, and will always get attention, attraction, flirting, and sex from women without much effort.

HOW is this possible?​

To put it in the terms used in this forum, I am stylemaxxed, (I grew up in a family that is very fashion consious, in a country that is not very fashionable)

I also have what I believe to be a seductive personality.

It is my belief that women are turned on by what they HEAR, much more than what they SEE

I also think a quick look around shows us that the looks threshold for men is very LOW. Once you pass that, the rest is your vibe and sub-communication, eye contact, emotional state, and conversational frame.

Lifefuel​

To get a girl to be OPEN to sleeping with you, you only need 1 THING to make her look, or catch her eye. This can be:

• The typical stuff discussed here like a good face, tall height, athletic frame, muscular body, or status or fame
• It can also be easy stuff like a cool beard or interesting tattoos, great style, good taste in jewellery, a great haircut
• I can go on and on about other stuff if you guys want, but in short, there is 1 thing for anyone, regardless of your genetics.

If you have the basics covered, and you have the 1 THING that gets her attention, the rest of the work is done by YOUR PERSONALITY and ability to get her turned on and close the deal.

I'm telling you, Ive seen so many tall, handsome chads get the eye roll and lose attraction when they act overly cocky, uncalibrated, abrasive etc.

LOOKS THEORY IS COPE​

I think a lot of people in this community like to fantasize that if they were good looking or tall, they could just roll around banging staceys all day without the risk of rejection or without having to work on their personality. This is fantasy. Chad might get laid 1/20 times by some insecure girl, looking to validate her own attractiveness if he does not have the social abilities to convert his good looks first impression into a more real attraction.

I'm open to any disagreements or questions, I can also supply proof over DM.

Good thread. In terms of PSL I’m totally average yet I have a different girl in my bed every weekend. The female gaze is something that’s rarely spoken about here. Your hands, the way you smell, the way you talk, the way you hold eye contact. Being flirty while not creepy, sensual but not sexual, it’s a delicate balance and something that takes practice to master. Looks are incredibly important (I’m lucky to be lightskined which girls like apparently), but it’s such a small part of the equation.

 

[NonChadSlayer]

5’8” is barely manlet territory.

I agree it's not, but I don't think that's the common opinion in these types of spaces. We got tons of guys taller than 5'8 considering blasting HGH and LL surgeries, so I think most people believe under 5'11 its over

 

[CristianT]

Background​

Everyone claims to have a friend who is short and gets laid, well that's me.

View attachment 1427785View attachment 1427786

EDIT- I wish I was a wide as how I look with these stretched photos

Except, I also have very narrow shoulders, small ribcage, short arms and legs, which make me look even smaller and weaker. In my untrained state, I get framemogged by guys that are 5'6.

I am also not athletic, (but I do work out a little) , I have less than 1000 followers on instagram. I am not rich. I do not have a deep voice.

Regardless of these facts, I banged the hottest and most girls out of anyone in my class at highschool. I had banged 100 girls before my 21st birthday, 8 girls in my first 2 weeks of university, and slayed the most of anyone at my college. I know this because all of the top slayers were friends with me. Even though Ive been in a relationship for the past 3 years, young hotties will regularly offer me sex when I am at parties, in town etc. They act all seductive with me, show off they body and hold eye contact with me, They say things like, "I know you said you have a girlfriend, but I promise I'll keep it a secret" or "Dont talk to me like that, or you'll me fall in love with you"

The girls I have been with have all been hotties, 90% of them around 8-9 in looks. Many of them are runway models, fitness models, bikini models, (2 have been in Dan Bilzarian's insta photos) pageant girls, Sugar babies, strippers (which are some of the most down to earth and loyal) and a handful of them are now married to multi-millionaires.

I have always, and will always get attention, attraction, flirting, and sex from women without much effort.

HOW is this possible?​

To put it in the terms used in this forum, I am stylemaxxed, (I grew up in a family that is very fashion consious, in a country that is not very fashionable)

I also have what I believe to be a seductive personality.

It is my belief that women are turned on by what they HEAR, much more than what they SEE

I also think a quick look around shows us that the looks threshold for men is very LOW. Once you pass that, the rest is your vibe and sub-communication, eye contact, emotional state, and conversational frame.

Lifefuel​

To get a girl to be OPEN to sleeping with you, you only need 1 THING to make her look, or catch her eye. This can be:

• The typical stuff discussed here like a good face, tall height, athletic frame, muscular body, or status or fame
• It can also be easy stuff like a cool beard or interesting tattoos, great style, good taste in jewellery, a great haircut
• I can go on and on about other stuff if you guys want, but in short, there is 1 thing for anyone, regardless of your genetics.

If you have the basics covered, and you have the 1 THING that gets her attention, the rest of the work is done by YOUR PERSONALITY and ability to get her turned on and close the deal.

I'm telling you, Ive seen so many tall, handsome chads get the eye roll and lose attraction when they act overly cocky, uncalibrated, abrasive etc.

LOOKS THEORY IS COPE​

I think a lot of people in this community like to fantasize that if they were good looking or tall, they could just roll around banging staceys all day without the risk of rejection or without having to work on their personality. This is fantasy. Chad might get laid 1/20 times by some insecure girl, looking to validate her own attractiveness if he does not have the social abilities to convert his good looks first impression into a more real attraction.

I'm open to any disagreements or questions, I can also supply proof over DM.

How we know that those girls are not hookers and you just payed them to do aspie things just to convince us?

 

[Birdcell]

What , I feel trolled and NTpilled rn , I only get clear IOI's from landwhales and you're slaying Stacie's ? If it's true , then mirin bro

 

[NonChadSlayer]

Good thread. In terms of PSL I’m totally average yet I have a different girl in my bed every weekend. The female gaze is something that’s rarely spoken about here. Your hands, the way you smell, the way you talk, the way you hold eye contact. Being flirty while not creepy, sensual but not sexual, it’s a delicate balance and something that takes practice to master. Looks are incredibly important (I’m lucky to be lightskined which girls like apparently), but it’s such a small part of the equation.

Absolutely spot on. Everything you've described is 100% correct. Looks do play a part, but not in the way that most guys on here think. It's less about genetics, and more about presentation.

Being fashionable is a honest display of status. This is because to do it right and own your look requires you to know trends (through having high status friends), good brands, awareness of your own good/bad features, what is considered "cool" in your city/country, shows wealth, and that you have confidence to court attention.

 

[NonChadSlayer]

How we know that those girls are not hookers and you just payed them to do aspie things just to convince us?

I mean, I don't know how I can prove that. Will hookers go to the amusement park with you?

 

[Deleted member 14561]

Good thread. In terms of PSL I’m totally average yet I have a different girl in my bed every weekend. The female gaze is something that’s rarely spoken about here. Your hands, the way you smell, the way you talk, the way you hold eye contact. Being flirty while not creepy, sensual but not sexual, it’s a delicate balance and something that takes practice to master. Looks are incredibly important (I’m lucky to be lightskined which girls like apparently), but it’s such a small part of the equation.

based tbh once look threshold is passed or you look above average according to your country all the things you've mentioned matters alot

 

[Birdcell]

My blackpilled mind can't comprehend that , and needs to cope , that this is made up

 

[Deleted member 16262]

Receipts...

There is many, many more

Fucking flat, low quality sl00ts doesn't count. Also you are literally white and probably have HTN face. You are living life on easy mode; the sl00ts you're simping for are living life on Minecraft Creative Mode.

 

[Deleted member 16262]

Good thread. In terms of PSL I’m totally average yet I have a different girl in my bed every weekend. The female gaze is something that’s rarely spoken about here. Your hands, the way you smell, the way you talk, the way you hold eye contact. Being flirty while not creepy, sensual but not sexual, it’s a delicate balance and something that takes practice to master. Looks are incredibly important (I’m lucky to be lightskined which girls like apparently), but it’s such a small part of the equation.

Too much effort for me to care tbh. All we men want is a woman that is 5 psl and has a good mental. Women want 50 billion different things and every woman has different derivates of that. I couldn't care less. When I have reached the bottom of despair I will escortmaxx.

 

[Deleted member 16262]

"Just be seductive, bro"

- White Chad.

 

[Deleted member 5786]

@Aliens95 @Digital Hitler

 

[NonChadSlayer]

Fucking flat, low quality sl00ts doesn't count. Also you are literally white and probably have HTN face. You are living life on easy mode; the sl00ts you're simping for are living life on Minecraft Creative Mode.

I like small tits, and long legs, so that doesn't bother me. Yes Im white and slavic. I will also agree that that it is easy. The reason for this post is because because according to the beliefs on here, I should be failing

 

[Deleted member 5786]

are you really 5'8 ? you look 5'5-5'6

 

[Deleted member 16262]

I like small tits, and long legs, so that doesn't bother me. Yes Im white and slavic. I will also agree that that it is easy. The reason for this post is because because according to the beliefs on here, I should be failing

No dude. By blackpill beliefs you should be slaying, which you are; because you are white passing and have HTN face.
You're probably also fucking slavic girls because Western girls wouldn't want you as soon as they hear your accent.

 

[NonChadSlayer]

"Just be seductive, bro"

- White Chad.

I actually laughed at this.

Im not Chad but I stand by the seductive thing. Check out @anactualdude 's post, he describes it well

 

[.👽.]

I had banged 100 girls before my 21st birthday,

sure bro
100 escorts maybe

 

[NonChadSlayer]

are you really 5'8 ? you look 5'5-5'6

Yes I am,I have the proportions of a 5'5 guy tho. Like a scaled up midget.
those are tall girls in the photo next to me. Many of the girls ive been with have been same height or taller than me.

 

[.👽.]

Receipts...

There is many, many more

hmm looks like stylemaxxed normie/htn. with Status this could be legit. but not applicable for most men cuz they don't have rich friends who throw parties or club owners who invite them

 

[NonChadSlayer]

sure bro
100 escorts maybe

Aite man, U don't have to believe. I do admit that 100 is a big number to hit before 21, but banging hotties was my top priority from 17 - 21, it's only 20 per year. And I was actively trying to hit 100 before my birthday

 

[.👽.]

Aite man, U don't have to believe. I do admit that 100 is a big number to hit before 21, but banging hotties was my top priority from 17 - 21, it's only 20 per year. And I was actively trying to hit 100 before my birthday

Mirin bro. after the pics i believe you. mogs me into suicide. but if u make such thread atleast explain how you do it.

 

[Cuervo]

i feel so ntpilled as well.

 

[Amexmaxx]

I agree it's not, but I don't think that's the common opinion in these types of spaces. We got tons of guys taller than 5'8 considering blasting HGH and LL surgeries, so I think most people believe under 5'11 its over

I take that back 5’8” is manlet. We need to see face for psl rating. Then we will know if its face or your “personality” (which is your face btw).

 

[Cuervo]

I take that back 5’8” is manlet. We need to see face for psl rating. Then we will know if its face or your “personality” (which is your face btw).

has to be really good to slay with that height and proportions tbh

 

[NonChadSlayer]

Mirin bro. after the pics i believe you. mogs me into suicide. but if u make such thread atleast explain how you do it.

Yes, I plan to make more posts and contribute what I have learned to this forum.

I think it would be good to do one on exactly what to do when you go to a party to get laid.

I also want to write about the Predator/Prey dynamic. I haven't seen any posts on this yet but IMO its the most useful thing when talking to a girl

 

[NonChadSlayer]

I take that back 5’8” is manlet. We need to see face for psl rating. Then we will know if its face or your “personality” (which is your face btw).

Personality is your face? nah man. It's everything, Its how you view yourself and your self belief. It's how you dress up your blessings and minimise your flaws

 

[Baldingman1998]

So what's the secret? Just be white and handsome face

 

[WontStopNorwooding]

So what's the secret? Just be white and handsome face

and hair

 

[weebcel]

Based escortcel

Background​

Everyone claims to have a friend who is short and gets laid, well that's me.

View attachment 1427785View attachment 1427786

EDIT- I wish I was a wide as how I look with these stretched photos

Except, I also have very narrow shoulders, small ribcage, short arms and legs, which make me look even smaller and weaker. In my untrained state, I get framemogged by guys that are 5'6.

I am also not athletic, (but I do work out a little) , I have less than 1000 followers on instagram. I am not rich. I do not have a deep voice.

Regardless of these facts, I banged the hottest and most girls out of anyone in my class at highschool. I had banged 100 girls before my 21st birthday, 8 girls in my first 2 weeks of university, and slayed the most of anyone at my college. I know this because all of the top slayers were friends with me. Even though Ive been in a relationship for the past 3 years, young hotties will regularly offer me sex when I am at parties, in town etc. They act all seductive with me, show off they body and hold eye contact with me, They say things like, "I know you said you have a girlfriend, but I promise I'll keep it a secret" or "Dont talk to me like that, or you'll me fall in love with you"

The girls I have been with have all been hotties, 90% of them around 8-9 in looks. Many of them are runway models, fitness models, bikini models, (2 have been in Dan Bilzarian's insta photos) pageant girls, Sugar babies, strippers (which are some of the most down to earth and loyal) and a handful of them are now married to multi-millionaires.

I have always, and will always get attention, attraction, flirting, and sex from women without much effort.

HOW is this possible?​

To put it in the terms used in this forum, I am stylemaxxed, (I grew up in a family that is very fashion consious, in a country that is not very fashionable)

I also have what I believe to be a seductive personality.

It is my belief that women are turned on by what they HEAR, much more than what they SEE

I also think a quick look around shows us that the looks threshold for men is very LOW. Once you pass that, the rest is your vibe and sub-communication, eye contact, emotional state, and conversational frame.

Lifefuel​

To get a girl to be OPEN to sleeping with you, you only need 1 THING to make her look, or catch her eye. This can be:

• The typical stuff discussed here like a good face, tall height, athletic frame, muscular body, or status or fame
• It can also be easy stuff like a cool beard or interesting tattoos, great style, good taste in jewellery, a great haircut
• I can go on and on about other stuff if you guys want, but in short, there is 1 thing for anyone, regardless of your genetics.

If you have the basics covered, and you have the 1 THING that gets her attention, the rest of the work is done by YOUR PERSONALITY and ability to get her turned on and close the deal.

I'm telling you, Ive seen so many tall, handsome chads get the eye roll and lose attraction when they act overly cocky, uncalibrated, abrasive etc.

LOOKS THEORY IS COPE​

I think a lot of people in this community like to fantasize that if they were good looking or tall, they could just roll around banging staceys all day without the risk of rejection or without having to work on their personality. This is fantasy. Chad might get laid 1/20 times by some insecure girl, looking to validate her own attractiveness if he does not have the social abilities to convert his good looks first impression into a more real attraction.

I'm open to any disagreements or questions, I can also supply proof over DM.

Based escortcel

 

[NonChadSlayer]

So what's the secret? Just be white and handsome face

Let me put it this way, if thigs go sour with me and a girl im sleeping with, one of the things they say is "Why are you so confident, youre not even hot"

 

[Baldingman1998]

and hair

100%

 

[´´´´´´´´]

What's your dick size? You could be running bulge game

 

[NonChadSlayer]

What's your dick size? You could be running bulge game

Well above average, I have to admit I believe I got lucky in this department.

 

[NonChadSlayer]

Nice prostitute OP...

Based escortcel

Hahaha the cope is strong. Nope, never been with an escort. Why you so sceptical?

Yall should be stoked that you dont need 6ft4, wide frame and robust face to get prime 18-22 year old staceys. Isn't that better than the genetic pre-determinism that you believe?