i can proof god is real (agnostic and atheist click this!)

But to a believer it would mean God chose him to be muslim because he created him and gave him his parents so we're looking at 2 sides of the same coin :feelsokman:
God chose your parents? I thought god couldnt intervene because of “muh free will”
 
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How did all of humanity originate from two people when ALL human scientific knowledge says otherwise?
do we listen to humans or gods?
also didnt we already go over this point

yes i dont have a answer to ur question but the quran prolly does
my claims here is the quran is the truth because of the rpediction and crazy claims it has
so eveyrhting it says must be true

not what sme retarded human has to say
 
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do we listen to humans or gods?
also didnt we already go over this point

yes i dont have a answer to ur question but the quran prolly does
my claims here is the quran is the truth because of the rpediction and crazy claims it has
so eveyrhting it says must be true

not what sme retarded human has to say
Like I said, what evidence do you have that evolution isnt true?

Heres my evidence that it is true:
 
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How did all of humanity originate from two people when ALL human scientific knowledge says otherwise?
does sharing genetics with other creatures mean God didn't create any? does a company logo being found in all its products mean all it's new line-up is not original and doesnt originate from the same source but instead the same older product? This is the issue with debates like this it leads us to nothing, what changes in our life after all this? I come from my parents end of the story
 
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does sharing genetics with other creatures mean God didn't create any? does a company logo being found in all its products mean all it's new line-up is not original and doesnt originate from the same source but instead the same older product? This is the issue with debates like this it leads us to nothing, what changes in our life after all this? I come from my parents end of the story
No, religious retards, such as this threads creator, are holding society back by not believing in basic science. Thats the point of arguing.
 
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God chose your parents? I thought god couldnt intervene because of “muh free will”
how will i have free will if i didnt exist yet? free will is found when you gain conciousness :)
 
do we listen to humans or gods?
also didnt we already go over this point

yes i dont have a answer to ur question but the quran prolly does
my claims here is the quran is the truth because of the rpediction and crazy claims it has
so eveyrhting it says must be true

not what sme retarded human has to say
Yeah dude you trust one god blindedly who we have no proof is real rather then THOUSANDS OF scientists, everyone agrees in it
 
so everyone who knows english says the truth? holy low iq
No it’s the fact that you lack the very basic linguistic skills that even 6-year olds have yet you think you’re smart enough to give an answer to arguably the most important question ever debated in human history.

And actually make an effort to learn to write in English properly before calling people “low iq” you subhuman iqlet
 
how will i have free will if i didnt exist yet? free will is found when you gain conciousness :)
you can't have free will if you were made, you didnt have a choice to be made? so no free will, free will can't logically exist in this universe
 
No, religious retards, such as this threads creator, are holding society back by not believing in basic science. Thats the point of arguing.
us coming from fish and lizards will make no contribution to society :feelsokman:
 
you can't have free will if you were made, you didnt have a choice to be made? so no free will, free will can't logically exist in this universe
free will is limited, logic can't be applied like this when you're living and can understand and observe what says otherwise
 
No it’s the fact that you lack the very basic linguistic skills that even 6-year olds have yet you think you’re smart enough to give an answer to arguably the most important question ever debated in human history.

And actually make an effort to learn to write in English properly before calling people “low iq” you subhuman iqlet
ok so because you dont speak japanese ur retarded and lack iq? retarded claim
 
how will i have free will if i didnt exist yet? free will is found when you gain conciousness :)
Cool, why doesnt god intervene and cure unconscious fetuses of their debilitating gentic diseases before they are born?

After all they dont have free will since they are unconscious.
 
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free will is limited, logic can't be applied like this when you're living and can understand and observe what says otherwise
like ok im alive and have free will, how does that refute it's existence just because i wasn't born yet
 
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free will is limited, logic can't be applied like this when you're living and can understand and observe what says otherwise
understanding and observing doesn't mean we can do it, we dont have choice. we are the most self aware species but we are just watching
 
strawman nobody said nuke islam. just asking why a prophet married a 9 year old.
"strategic" isnt an answer. alliances don't need marriage. he could've made a pact. back to the main claim, where's the proof god is real? all I've seen is vague verses and excuses
@ghoulmania
 
like ok im alive and have free will, how does that refute it's existence just because i wasn't born yet
if someone gave you free will, you didnt choose it, that means its not free will.
 
Cool, why doesnt god intervene and cure unconscious fetuses of their debilitating gentic diseases before they are born?

After all they dont have free will since they are unconscious.
destiny, they're destined to be so. Some people would argue and whine and say God is evil but we know that sometimes the issues are caused by human actions too like fetal alcohol syndrome. Are we seriously gonna use that as an argument?
 
@ghoulmania
we alr told you it was normal to marry 9 year old in that area back then.
than you said we shoulsd follow it because it sunnah which i already debunked
stop running away from my points
 
ok so because you dont speak japanese ur retarded and lack iq? retarded claim
Allah made you sub5 sand nigger btw. Allah loves Jordan Barret and Sean Opry and hates you dumb Sand nigger. The Quran didnt even tell you how to do Bimax.
 
strawman nobody said nuke islam. just asking why a prophet married a 9 year old.
"strategic" isnt an answer. alliances don't need marriage. he could've made a pact. back to the main claim, where's the proof god is real? all I've seen is vague verses and excuses
Aisha was known to have a really strong memory, the proof is also in her later life where she taught the muslim community about the religion and is regarded as the mother of believers. Not a good enough reason? You are not the prophet to decide and argue
 
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Allah made you sub5 sand nigger btw. Allah loves Jordan Barret and Sean Opry and hates you dumb Sand nigger. The Quran didnt even tell you how to do Bimax.
i wont take someone called

GymcellingForLife on a incel forum serious​

pls kill yourself
 
if someone gave you free will, you didnt choose it, that means its not free will.
No? Being given free will means I have it, I'm handed control over it so therefore it's present UNDER MY CONTROL
 
we alr told you it was normal to marry 9 year old in that area back then.
than you said we shoulsd follow it because it sunnah which i already debunked
stop running away from my points
normal ≠ right. slavery was normal too.

you didn't debunk sunnah. you follow how he ate and slept so it clearly matters.
where's the proof god is real? all you've done is defend a child marriage. what's the actual evidence?
Aisha was known to have a really strong memory, the proof is also in her later life where she taught the muslim community about the religion and is regarded as the mother of believers. Not a good enough reason? You are not the prophet to decide and argue
"strong memory" is not a reason to marry a 9 year old 💀 you could've just made her a student and she'd be exceptional

"you're not the prophet" is a cop out. you don't need to be a prophet to know a child is a child.

where's the proof god is real?
 
many people disrespect god but now im gonna proof that islam is the truth aswell as some proof of god existence.
First of all this thread was posted by a 15 year old
we can tell
who only read the quran once a scholar would give 20x clearer evidence.

1. Quran 21:30
"And We made from water every living thing. Will they not then believe?"
Quran predicting and knowing that humans were made out of waters 1400 YEARS AGO.
how could a book 1400 years ago predict such a prediction? there were no sceince etc this claim was later claimed to be true in the 1900s.

2
Quran 51:47
knew about the universe expanding
"And the heaven We constructed with strength, and indeed, We are [its] expander."
how did they know such things 1400s years ago?

i can go on and on

Quran 21:32
predicting modern atmosphere

Quran 57:25
knew about planet having stars
Quran 39:21
water cycle prediction


mind you these are the only things that came to my mind, there prolly hundred more proofs and evidence way clearer than this. which i dont know about. if your serious and wanna know more about this go and read ibn tamiyyah books

have any question about islam and quran? ask me.
Genuinely sub80, maybe even sub70 iq thread :lul:
If you can't even get "prove" right you should simply not attempt to speak on serious matters and should stick to chewing crayons
Ancient humans weren't stupid, old religious texts hold a lot of common sense knowledge from back then.

"knew about planet having stars" LITERALLY JUST LOOK UP AT NIGHT
Also planets don't have stars, stars have planets.
 
No? Being given free will means I have it, I'm handed control over it so therefore it's present UNDER MY CONTROL
being handed control ≠ choosing to have it. if someone puts a steering wheel in your hands without asking, you can continue riding the car but you didn't choose so.

and if god knows everything you'll do, your choices are already set. you can't change what he knows. so where's the free will?
 
normal ≠ right. slavery was normal too.

you didn't debunk sunnah. you follow how he ate and slept so it clearly matters.
where's the proof god is real? all you've done is defend a child marriage. what's the actual evidence?

"strong memory" is not a reason to marry a 9 year old 💀 you could've just made her a student and she'd be exceptional

"you're not the prophet" is a cop out. you don't need to be a prophet to know a child is a child.

where's the proof god is real?
litereally the post text in the creation of this thread
 
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guys ok this debate is useless and a waste of time
@Sage disproving already religious figureheads of prophethood by not understanding it's context completely isn't really the move anyone can say it's wrong but the people influencing/affected by those events and time said nothing about it.

And for the free will debate it's a whole philosophical nonsense that won't lead us nowhere
 
There is a God but def not Allah
 
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litereally the post text in the creation of this thread
the post text? you mean the vague science verses I already debunked? every ancient civilization knew water is life. the "expanding universe" verse was translated as "God has vast power" by classical scholars. the water cycle is just describing rain that farmers already knew.
and you still haven't addressed the scientific errors in the quran. sun sets in muddy spring? semen from between backbone and ribs? if it's from god, why are there mistakes?
so your "proof" is just vague trash translations and you're still defending a child marriage. where's the actual evidence?
guys ok this debate is useless and a waste of time
@Sage disproving already religious figureheads of prophethood by not understanding it's context completely isn't really the move anyone can say it's wrong but the people influencing/affected by those events and time said nothing about it.

And for the free will debate it's a whole philosophical nonsense that won't lead us nowhere
"context" doesn't change biology. a 9 year old is a child. people at the time not complaining doesn't make it right lol, slavery was normal too.
free will isn't nonsense. if god knows everything you'll do, your choices are already written. you can't change what he knows. that's a real contradiction.
if you had real answers you'd debate me.
 
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the post text? you mean the vague science verses I already debunked? every ancient civilization knew water is life. the "expanding universe" verse was translated as "God has vast power" by classical scholars. the water cycle is just describing rain that farmers already knew.
and you still haven't addressed the scientific errors in the quran. sun sets in muddy spring? semen from between backbone and ribs? if it's from god, why are there mistakes?
so your "proof" is just vague trash translations and you're still defending a child marriage. where's the actual evidence?

"context" doesn't change biology. a 9 year old is a child. period. people at the time not complaining doesn't make it right lol, slavery was normal too.
free will isn't nonsense. if god knows everything you'll do, your choices are already written. you can't change what he knows. that's a real contradiction.
if you had real answers you'd debate me.
give me wher eit says semen came out of backbone and rib

water is life dont mean we were made out f it
scholars arent always right andf give proof that farmers already knew abt it before 1400 years ago
 
"strong memory" is not a reason to marry a 9 year old 💀 you could've just made her a student and she'd be exceptional

"you're not the prophet" is a cop out. you don't need to be a prophet to know a child is a child.

where's the proof god is real?
marriage can have many purposes why are we narrowing our minds so much? Like oh no yes marriage means relationship means sex bro yes yes, 3 years of nothing happened btw 3 years of nothing.

who are you to decide she gets to be a student? again you're not him and your actions are not his.

God's existence is by creation, but you can ramble however you want to say no it's not enough proof.
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give me wher eit says semen came out of backbone and rib

water is life dont mean we were made out f it
scholars arent always right andf give proof that farmers already knew abt it before 1400 years ago
Quran 86:6-7 says between backbone and ribs. sperm comes from balls.
water is life is vague. every ancient civilization knew water = survival. not a miracle.for the scholars you use them when it fits, dismiss them when it doesn't. pick one.Greeks knew it in 500 BCE. Indians and Persians too. farmers literally watched rain fall. nothing new.
 
"context" doesn't change biology. a 9 year old is a child. people at the time not complaining doesn't make it right lol, slavery was normal too.
free will isn't nonsense. if god knows everything you'll do, your choices are already written. you can't change what he knows. that's a real contradiction.
if you had real answers you'd debate me.
how do you know she was a child? do you know if she didn't reach puberty by that age?

also bro u implied free will isn't ours so to who then? if God doesn't exist then you entered a paradox because you said "free will isn't nonsense"
 
marriage can have many purposes why are we narrowing our minds so much? Like oh no yes marriage means relationship means sex bro yes yes, 3 years of nothing happened btw 3 years of nothing.

who are you to decide she gets to be a student? again you're not him and your actions are not his.

God's existence is by creation, but you can ramble however you want to say no it's not enough proof.
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3 years of nothing means he waited until she was 9 to consummate. thats an issueI don't need to be him to know teaching a child doesn't require marriage. common sense.
"God's existence is by creation" is an assumption, not proof. and if god created everything, who created god? you're deflecting.
 
how do you know she was a child? do you know if she didn't reach puberty by that age?

also bro u implied free will isn't ours so to who then? if God doesn't exist then you entered a paradox because you said "free will isn't nonsense"
9 is a child. puberty ≠ maturity. basic biology.

if god knows everything you'll do, your choices are already set. you can't change what he knows. that's not free will.
 
Quran 86:6-7 says between backbone and ribs. sperm comes from balls.
water is life is vague. every ancient civilization knew water = survival. not a miracle.for the scholars you use them when it fits, dismiss them when it doesn't. pick one.Greeks knew it in 500 BCE. Indians and Persians too. farmers literally watched rain fall. nothing new.
from a different anatomical view of the prostate glands i think you can see that it falls near the backbone and ribs i believe a top half cut transverse view
 
New update incoming, muh muh believe my bullshit believe this faggot nigger book
 
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Quran 86:6-7 says between backbone and ribs. sperm comes from balls.
water is life is vague. every ancient civilization knew water = survival. not a miracle.for the scholars you use them when it fits, dismiss them when it doesn't. pick one.Greeks knew it in 500 BCE. Indians and Persians too. farmers literally watched rain fall. nothing new.
farmers watched it be clouds and rain again than knew abt the water cycle? NO The Quran says humans are created from a "gushing fluid" that comes from "between the backbone and the ribs" (86:6–7).
It does not say "the testicles are in the ribs."
 
from a different anatomical view of the prostate glands i think you can see that it falls near the backbone and ribs i believe a top half cut transverse view
prostate isn't between backbone and ribs. sperm comes from balls. you're stretching it to make it seem scientific . a real miracle would've been more clear instead of "transverse view"
 
3 years of nothing means he waited until she was 9 to consummate. thats an issueI don't need to be him to know teaching a child doesn't require marriage. common sense.
"God's existence is by creation" is an assumption, not proof. and if god created everything, who created god? you're deflecting.
3 years and the human body won't change like a 6 year old is destined to stay the same and might not experience puberty early no way!

God having a creator now what? bro you're opening the same atheist talk points, atheists can't come up with anything new istg
 
farmers watched it be clouds and rain again than knew abt the water cycle? NO The Quran says humans are created from a "gushing fluid" that comes from "between the backbone and the ribs" (86:6–7).
It does not say "the testicles are in the ribs."
"gushing fluid" is just rain. farmers watched it.
and the verse says sperm comes from between backbone and ribs. sperm comes from testes. that's wrong. a god would've been clear.
 
prostate isn't between backbone and ribs. sperm comes from balls. you're stretching it to make it seem scientific . a real miracle would've been more clear instead of "transverse view"
i said from the transverse anatomical view it would be described as such doesn't have to be a miracle
 
"gushing fluid" is just rain. farmers watched it.
and the verse says sperm comes from between backbone and ribs. sperm comes from testes. that's wrong. a god would've been clear.
IT DOESNT ITS A simplification AND NOT WHAT THE QURAN TEACHES!
 

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