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I CHALLENGE ALL MUSLIMS ON THIS FORUM TO PROVE THIS WRONG:

ALSO, DONT IGNORE ME LIKE ONE OF YOUR LEAD APOLOGISTS, @Chadelite HAS

YOU MUSLIMS NEED AN ULTIMATUM, EITHER PROVE YOUR RELIGION RIGHT OR STEP ASIDE AND LET IT GET CRUSHED.

HIDING INSIDE YOUR ISLAMIC SAFE SPACES WONT SAVE YOU, NO "MY IMAM KNOWS THE ANSWER", OR "THE QURAN NEEDS TO BE READ IN ARABIC TO UNDERSTAND IT".



PROOF THAT THE QURAN CONTRADICTS ITSELF and the Bible:


This is a simple proof based on what the Quran says. The Quran verifies the veracity of the Bible in that era in multiple verses. Muslims nowadays love saying that the Bible is corrupted, due to them knowing that the New Testament disagrees with what Mohammad said in multiple areas. Yet, here we have Mohammad verifying the New Testament (and Old Testament) that were around during his time period. Also, by the 7th century, we have a large amount of manuscripts and miniscules confirming that the New Testament of today is the same as the one that was around at that time period.

For where the New Testament and Mohammads revelations differ, Mohammad, in the final stage of his ministries, said that the Christians worshiping Jesus was shirk, which is a big sin, and that Jesus was merely a prophet of God, not the Son of God. However, this is clearly contradicted in the Gospel of Matthew, in a few other accounts in the other Gospels, and perhaps the most clearly in Revelation. In fact, Jesus says in Revelation "I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last", of which Allah repeats atleast one time in the Quran. Also, the Quranic account says Jesus never died, whereas the New Testament says Jesus died for people's sins, and this is addressed in the Gospels directly and Revelation (the blood of the Lamb).

Here are some Quranic verses:



Sura 7:156-157: "And I will write down (my mercy) for those who are righteous and give alms and who believe in our signs; who follow the apostle, the unlettered prophet, whom they find written in the Torah and the Gospel THAT IS WITH THEM.


Sura 3:93-94: "All food was lawful to the children of Israel except what Israel made unlawful for itself before the Torah was revealed. Say, `BRING the TORAH and READ it, if you are men of truth.' If any, after this, invent a lie and attribute it to God, they are indeed transgressors."

Sura 2:113: "The Jews say, `The Christians are not (founded) upon anything.' And the Christians say, `The Jews are not (founded) upon anything.' And yet THEY READ THE BOOK."
 
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can you not go to some muslim site and discuss there you fagot?

this is an incel/looksmaxx site

you really think im gonna waste my time for this ?

the muslims say the bible was alduterated over the years.
 
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I CHALLENGE ALL MUSLIMS ON THIS FORUM TO PROVE THIS WRONG:

ALSO, DONT IGNORE ME LIKE ONE OF YOUR LEAD APOLOGISTS, @Chadelite HAS


YOU MUSLIMS NEED AN ULTIMATUM, EITHER PROVE YOUR RELIGION RIGHT OR STEP ASIDE AND LET IT GET CRUSHED.

HIDING INSIDE YOUR ISLAMIC SAFE SPACES WONT SAVE YOU, NO "MY IMAM KNOWS THE ANSWER", OR "THE QURAN NEEDS TO BE READ IN ARABIC TO UNDERSTAND IT".



PROOF THAT THE QURAN CONTRADICTS ITSELF and the Bible:


This is a simple proof based on what the Quran says. The Quran verifies the veracity of the Bible in that era in multiple verses. Muslims nowadays love saying that the Bible is corrupted, due to them knowing that the New Testament disagrees with what Mohammad said in multiple areas. Yet, here we have Mohammad verifying the New Testament (and Old Testament) that were around during his time period. Also, by the 7th century, we have a large amount of manuscripts and miniscules confirming that the New Testament of today is the same as the one that was around at that time period.

For where the New Testament and Mohammads revelations differ, Mohammad, in the final stage of his ministries, said that the Christians worshiping Jesus was shirk, which is a big sin, and that Jesus was merely a prophet of God, not the Son of God. However, this is clearly contradicted in the Gospel of Matthew, in a few other accounts in the other Gospels, and perhaps the most clearly in Revelation. In fact, Jesus says in Revelation "I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last", of which Allah repeats atleast one time in the Quran. Also, the Quranic account says Jesus never died, whereas the New Testament says Jesus died for people's sins, and this is addressed in the Gospels directly and Revelation (the blood of the Lamb).

Here are some Quranic verses:



Sura 7:156-157: "And I will write down (my mercy) for those who are righteous and give alms and who believe in our signs; who follow the apostle, the unlettered prophet, whom they find written in the Torah and the Gospel THAT IS WITH THEM.


Sura 3:93-94: "All food was lawful to the children of Israel except what Israel made unlawful for itself before the Torah was revealed. Say, `BRING the TORAH and READ it, if you are men of truth.' If any, after this, invent a lie and attribute it to God, they are indeed transgressors."

Sura 2:113: "The Jews say, `The Christians are not (founded) upon anything.' And the Christians say, `The Jews are not (founded) upon anything.' And yet THEY READ THE BOOK."
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after i eat and chill for a bit

i will crush you te he hee

edit: wait i still don't undertsand

what are you saying? that the quran contradicts itself?

you aren't asking me a question

go look up tafsir ibn kathir

that is your answer to your questions

but tbh i will do it for you because im feeling it.

but anyways - chrisitianity is BS
the bible has been changed

if it hasn't been changed then go tell this guy he will delete his channel if you do



the he he bible contains so many contradictions it's perverted it's crazy



this is the last time i will answer any questions
 
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OP probably believes in his cucked modern version of christianity while trying to shit on based islam. try again.

using the a forged document changed by power hungry monarchs and the roman catholic church to disprove islam. gtfo
 
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I’m not going to read this bullshit but it disagrees with Islam so I agree.
 
after i eat and chill for a bit

i will crush you te he hee

edit: wait i still don't undertsand

what are you saying? that the quran contradicts itself?

you aren't asking me a question

go look up tafsir ibn kathir

that is your answer to your questions

but tbh i will do it for you because im feeling it.

but anyways - chrisitianity is BS
the bible has been changed

if it hasn't been changed then go tell this guy he will delete his channel if you do



the he he bible contains so many contradictions it's perverted it's crazy



this is the last time i will answer any questions

I wont listen to biased shit complaining about the bible coming from a muslim
 
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I CHALLENGE ALL MUSLIMS ON THIS FORUM TO PROVE THIS WRONG:

ALSO, DONT IGNORE ME LIKE ONE OF YOUR LEAD APOLOGISTS, @Chadelite HAS


YOU MUSLIMS NEED AN ULTIMATUM, EITHER PROVE YOUR RELIGION RIGHT OR STEP ASIDE AND LET IT GET CRUSHED.

HIDING INSIDE YOUR ISLAMIC SAFE SPACES WONT SAVE YOU, NO "MY IMAM KNOWS THE ANSWER", OR "THE QURAN NEEDS TO BE READ IN ARABIC TO UNDERSTAND IT".



PROOF THAT THE QURAN CONTRADICTS ITSELF and the Bible:


This is a simple proof based on what the Quran says. The Quran verifies the veracity of the Bible in that era in multiple verses. Muslims nowadays love saying that the Bible is corrupted, due to them knowing that the New Testament disagrees with what Mohammad said in multiple areas. Yet, here we have Mohammad verifying the New Testament (and Old Testament) that were around during his time period. Also, by the 7th century, we have a large amount of manuscripts and miniscules confirming that the New Testament of today is the same as the one that was around at that time period.

For where the New Testament and Mohammads revelations differ, Mohammad, in the final stage of his ministries, said that the Christians worshiping Jesus was shirk, which is a big sin, and that Jesus was merely a prophet of God, not the Son of God. However, this is clearly contradicted in the Gospel of Matthew, in a few other accounts in the other Gospels, and perhaps the most clearly in Revelation. In fact, Jesus says in Revelation "I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last", of which Allah repeats atleast one time in the Quran. Also, the Quranic account says Jesus never died, whereas the New Testament says Jesus died for people's sins, and this is addressed in the Gospels directly and Revelation (the blood of the Lamb).

Here are some Quranic verses:



Sura 7:156-157: "And I will write down (my mercy) for those who are righteous and give alms and who believe in our signs; who follow the apostle, the unlettered prophet, whom they find written in the Torah and the Gospel THAT IS WITH THEM.


Sura 3:93-94: "All food was lawful to the children of Israel except what Israel made unlawful for itself before the Torah was revealed. Say, `BRING the TORAH and READ it, if you are men of truth.' If any, after this, invent a lie and attribute it to God, they are indeed transgressors."

Sura 2:113: "The Jews say, `The Christians are not (founded) upon anything.' And the Christians say, `The Jews are not (founded) upon anything.' And yet THEY READ THE BOOK."

OMG you're a straight up fucking idiot lol. Muslims don't believe in the new testament lol. The gospel that is referred to in the Quran is a separate gospel said to be written by Jesus and was lost to time and never recovered. Muslims have never said they believe in the New Testament, they say that god revealed the story of Jesus through Muhammad. They only believe in certain parts of the Old Testament (Torah, Psalms). And they believe even those parts have been corrupted and distorted heavily throughout time.

It sounds to me like you believe in the Quran more than the bible for you to think that much about this. And btw don't start religious threads on looksmax.me. This place is based it doesn't need your invisible sky daddy teachings.
 
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OMG you're a straight up fucking idiot lol. Muslims don't believe in the new testament lol. The gospel that is referred to in the Quran is a separate gospel said to be written by Jesus and was lost to time and never recovered. Muslims have never said they believe in the New Testament, they say that god revealed the story of Jesus through Muhammad. They only believe in certain parts of the Old Testament (Torah, Psalms). And they believe even those parts have been corrupted and distorted heavily throughout time.

It sounds to me like you believe in the Quran more than the bible for you to think that much about this. And btw don't start religious threads on looksmax.me. This place is based it doesn't need your invisible sky daddy teachings.

Ill respond to this anyway, but you're an atheist it seems like jfl so its a waste of time on you. Also, I guess by your logic our Western society is incredibly based isnt it? Its completely secularized and look at it now, women's whoredom and hypergamy is rampant, theres basically no punishment for adultery (for women) and women have very little accountability for their bad actions, homosexuality/transsexual propaganda is being forced upon us, etc.... I guess the verses in the Mosaic law about adulterers (wife cheating and her cheater) getting stoned, as well as women getting stoned for lying about being virgins to their husbands pre marriage, and men having to try and marry women they slept with outside of marriage, wouldnt help these societal problems at all would they?

My original point, is that Mohammad validated the Gospel OF HIS TIME in a few verses. In fact, I dont see anything in the Quran about the Gospel of his time being invalid.

A few more verse:


Surah 48:

Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah ; and those with him are forceful against the disbelievers, merciful among themselves. You see them bowing and prostrating [in prayer], seeking bounty from Allah and [His] pleasure. Their mark is on their faces from the trace of prostration. That is their description in the Torah. And their description in the Gospel is as a plant which produces its offshoots and strengthens them so they grow firm and stand upon their stalks, delighting the sowers - so that Allah may enrage by them the disbelievers. Allah has promised those who believe and do righteous deeds among them forgiveness and a great reward.


Surah 5:68:

Say, "O People of the Scripture, you are [standing] on nothing until you uphold [the law of] the Torah, the Gospel, and what has been revealed to you from your Lord." And that which has been revealed to you from your Lord will surely increase many of them in transgression and disbelief. So do not grieve over the disbelieving people.
 
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Shit thread,eveyone knows contradictions in bible and torah,if any religion was true it would be Islam
 
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can you not go to some muslim site and discuss there you fagot?

this is an incel/looksmaxx site

you really think im gonna waste my time for this ?

the muslims say the bible was alduterated over the years.


Are you a Muslim?

Imagine being such a coward that you cant take some religious "debate" (not much debating though as the Muslims arent even trying to defend their faith).

People shit post on here all the fucking time, yet you get mad at this. LMAOOOO. Your blood is on your hands for your forced ignorance upon yourself if you continue.
 
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Shit thread,eveyone knows contradictions in bible and torah,if any religion was true it would be Islam

The Muslims on here are a joke. NOTHING YOU SAID DISPROVED WHAT I WROTE.
 
The Muslims on here are a joke. NOTHING YOU SAID DISPROVED WHAT I WROTE.
The Sabbath Day
“Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.” — Exodus 20:8

“One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.” — Romans 14:5

The Permanence of Earth
“… the earth abideth for ever.” — Ecclesiastes 1:4

“… the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.” — 2Peter 3:10

Seeing God
“… I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.” — Genesis 32:30

“No man hath seen God at any time…”– John 1:18

Human Sacrifice
“… Thou shalt not let any of thy seed pass through the fire to Molech, neither shalt thou profane the name of thy God…” — Leviticus 18:21

[In Judges, though, the tale of Jephthah, who led the Israelites against the Ammonoites, is being told. Being fearful of defeat, this good religious man sought to guarantee victory by getting god firmly on his side. So he prayed to god] “… If thou shalt without fail deliver the children of Ammon into mine hands, Then it shall be, that whatsoever cometh forth of the doors of my house to meet me, when I return in peace from the children of Ammon, shall surely be the LORD’s, and I will offer it up for a burnt offering” — Judges 11:30-31

[The terms were acceptable to god — remember, he is supposed to be omniscient and know the future — so he gave victory to Jephthah, and the first whatsoever that greeted him upon his glorious return was his daughter, as god surely knew would happen, if god is god. True to his vow, the general made a human sacrifice of his only child to god!] — Judges 11:29-34

The Power of God
“… with God all things are possible.” — Matthew 19:26

“…The LORD was with Judah; and he drave out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron.” — Judges 1:19

Personal Injury
“…thou shalt give life for life, Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot. burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe. ” — Exodus 21:23-25

“…ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on the right cheek, turn to him the other also.” — Matthew 5:39

Circumcision
“This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised.” — Genesis 17:10

“…if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.” — Galatians 5:2

Incest
“Cursed be he that lieth with his sister, the daughter of his father, or the daughter of this mother…” — Deuteronomy 27:22

“And if a man shall take his sister, his father’s daughter, or his mother’s daughter…it is a wicked thing….” — Leviticus 20:17

[But what was god’s reaction to Abraham, who married his sister — his father’s daughter?] See Genesis 20:11-12

“And God said unto Abraham, As for Sara thy wife…I bless her, and give thee a son also of her…” — Genesis 17:15-16

Trusting God
“A good man obtaineth favour of the LORD…” — Proverbs 12:2

Now consider the case of Job. After commissioning Satan to ruin Job financially and to slaughter his shepherds and children to win a petty bet with Satan. God asked Satan: “Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil? and still he holdeth fast his integrity, although thou movedst me against him, to destroy him without cause.” — Job 2:3
These are just several examples the book is contradiction itself
 
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The Sabbath Day
“Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.” — Exodus 20:8

“One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.” — Romans 14:5

The Permanence of Earth
“… the earth abideth for ever.” — Ecclesiastes 1:4

“… the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.” — 2Peter 3:10

Seeing God
“… I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.” — Genesis 32:30

“No man hath seen God at any time…”– John 1:18

Human Sacrifice
“… Thou shalt not let any of thy seed pass through the fire to Molech, neither shalt thou profane the name of thy God…” — Leviticus 18:21

[In Judges, though, the tale of Jephthah, who led the Israelites against the Ammonoites, is being told. Being fearful of defeat, this good religious man sought to guarantee victory by getting god firmly on his side. So he prayed to god] “… If thou shalt without fail deliver the children of Ammon into mine hands, Then it shall be, that whatsoever cometh forth of the doors of my house to meet me, when I return in peace from the children of Ammon, shall surely be the LORD’s, and I will offer it up for a burnt offering” — Judges 11:30-31

[The terms were acceptable to god — remember, he is supposed to be omniscient and know the future — so he gave victory to Jephthah, and the first whatsoever that greeted him upon his glorious return was his daughter, as god surely knew would happen, if god is god. True to his vow, the general made a human sacrifice of his only child to god!] — Judges 11:29-34

The Power of God
“… with God all things are possible.” — Matthew 19:26

“…The LORD was with Judah; and he drave out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron.” — Judges 1:19

Personal Injury
“…thou shalt give life for life, Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot. burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe. ” — Exodus 21:23-25

“…ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on the right cheek, turn to him the other also.” — Matthew 5:39

Circumcision
“This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised.” — Genesis 17:10

“…if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.” — Galatians 5:2

Incest
“Cursed be he that lieth with his sister, the daughter of his father, or the daughter of this mother…” — Deuteronomy 27:22

“And if a man shall take his sister, his father’s daughter, or his mother’s daughter…it is a wicked thing….” — Leviticus 20:17

[But what was god’s reaction to Abraham, who married his sister — his father’s daughter?] See Genesis 20:11-12

“And God said unto Abraham, As for Sara thy wife…I bless her, and give thee a son also of her…” — Genesis 17:15-16

Trusting God
“A good man obtaineth favour of the LORD…” — Proverbs 12:2

Now consider the case of Job. After commissioning Satan to ruin Job financially and to slaughter his shepherds and children to win a petty bet with Satan. God asked Satan: “Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil? and still he holdeth fast his integrity, although thou movedst me against him, to destroy him without cause.” — Job 2:3
These are just several examples the book is contradiction itself


Good job, you gave me proof. It was a deflection from my original point but still decent.

The Sabbath Day: I dont trust the Pauline epistles, overly abrogated Mosaic law. I have multiple reasons to support. The Gospels support the Mosaic law.

The Permanence of the Earth: The word for forever there is olam, which there are points in the Bible where it clearly means a finite amount. Also, Eccliesiastes is not a book in the Bible Ill care to support, it comes off as non religious.

Seeing God: Yes this is a contradiction

Human Sacrifice: Bad example, do you have proof this man was supposed to be omniscient? He had to fulfill his foolish oath.

The Power of God: Acting like God couldnt have had this

Personal Injury: Direct abrogation by Jesus, also this doesnt apply to third parties

Circumcision: Read above

Incest: This isnt the only example of the Mosaic law being somewhat broken by Abr/Isaac/Jacob prior to its inception. The story of Abraham starts with him already married to Sarai, and she was his half sister, and wasnt going to divorce.

Trusting God: Noncongruent entirely lol

Now do any of you Muslims want to look at the veracity of their own book and defend?
 
Tell the nonexistent contradiction of Quran
 
Ill respond to this anyway, but you're an atheist it seems like jfl so its a waste of time on you. Also, I guess by your logic our Western society is incredibly based isnt it? Its completely secularized and look at it now, women's whoredom and hypergamy is rampant, theres basically no punishment for adultery (for women) and women have very little accountability for their bad actions, homosexuality/transsexual propaganda is being forced upon us, etc.... I guess the verses in the Mosaic law about adulterers (wife cheating and her cheater) getting stoned, as well as women getting stoned for lying about being virgins to their husbands pre marriage, and men having to try and marry women they slept with outside of marriage, wouldnt help these societal problems at all would they?

My original point, is that Mohammad validated the Gospel OF HIS TIME in a few verses. In fact, I dont see anything in the Quran about the Gospel of his time being invalid.

A few more verse:


Surah 48:

Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah ; and those with him are forceful against the disbelievers, merciful among themselves. You see them bowing and prostrating [in prayer], seeking bounty from Allah and [His] pleasure. Their mark is on their faces from the trace of prostration. That is their description in the Torah. And their description in the Gospel is as a plant which produces its offshoots and strengthens them so they grow firm and stand upon their stalks, delighting the sowers - so that Allah may enrage by them the disbelievers. Allah has promised those who believe and do righteous deeds among them forgiveness and a great reward.


Surah 5:68:

Say, "O People of the Scripture, you are [standing] on nothing until you uphold [the law of] the Torah, the Gospel, and what has been revealed to you from your Lord." And that which has been revealed to you from your Lord will surely increase many of them in transgression and disbelief. So do not grieve over the disbelieving people.
Are you a fucking idiot or just a biased christcuck? Nigga you were the one shitting on Islam and now you’re defending it JFL. Are you a muslim?

I grew up as a Muslim and learned Arabic. I know Islamic teachings. Do you know how gospels work? A gospel is just writings of good news.There are several of them which WERE NOT even validated by the Roman church. The only gospels accepted into the bible by the Romans are the 4 gospels of Mark, Matthew, Luke and John. The Quran denies the authenticity of these gospels and only views the GOSPEL REVEALED BY GOD TO JESUS HIMSELF as valid. This gospel has never been found and is believed to either have been orally recited or lost to time.

Surah Al-Maidah(Surah 5) verse 46:
And We sent, following in their footsteps, Jesus, the son of Mary, confirming that which came before him in the Torah; and We gave him the Gospel, in which was guidance and light and confirming that which preceded it of the Torah as guidance and instruction for the righteous.

THE GOSPEL REFFERED TO IN THE QURAN WAS GIVEN TO JESUS BY GOD. Not mark, Matthew, Luke, John or any of the other random fucks who only decided to start writing about Jesus after he died. THERE ARE A LOT OF GOSPELS. The ones accepted by your roman church aren’t the only ones.

And I seriously don’t understand what you were trying to say about western society. You were shitting on Islam then you said I’m an idiot for being an atheist, then you proceed to shit on your own bible or do you seriously think that stoning women for adultery and forcing women to get married to their rapists is a good based thing?(Deuteronomy 22, you can go and read the whole goddamn thing am too lazy to post every single verse about rape and stoning)

My only point is that the gospel referenced in the Quran is a DIFFERENT SEPARATE GOSPEL NOT THE GOSPELS WRITTEN IN YOUR ROMAN NEW TESTAMENT.
 
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