I did it (bimax before and after)

[esoterik]

Here's the guy's picture using the actual method:

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Still slight downwards head tilt. Not frankfurt. Tragion meets with his eye, the middle point of his infraorbital rim still sits well below the line.

Not saying it makes a massive difference in his case, but considering his side profile already looks fine and he's trying to nitpick, he may as well take a picture that is actually on the frankfurt plane, instead of slightly anti-frauding.

the fuck is anti frauding

@esoterik bro just install fucking snap and talk to those JBs sluts and you'll fucking slay them

Your problem is high inhib and lack of trying, not your looks

whats snap

 

[zemult]

the fuck is anti frauding


whats snap

Makes you look slightly worse. Similar to how recessed niggas tilt their head up to fraud forward growth, you can also tilt your head down to fraud downward growth.

 

[esoterik]

Makes you look slightly worse. Similar to how recessed niggas tilt their head up to fraud forward growth, you can also tilt your head down to fraud downward growth.

thats the thing tho, u cant exactly fraud downward growth in the way you think, if u have good forward growth, even if ur tilting your head down, its obvious that u are forwardly grown, you can see alignment matches

also, ff is unrealistic for frauding/anti fruading because people dont naturally rest their head like it, theses are my best pics with my more dominant side profile and photo retakes so they are kinda fruading in a way

 

[kingofkings]

You're misunderstanding what I'm saying here.

When I said you draw a line from the top of the ear, I'm referring to a line you draw from the top of the ear, to the top of the eye (they should align)

You don't draw the frankfurt plane from the top of the ear like in your original post. Using the top of the ear as some landmark makes no sense because obviously people have very different size ears and the whole point of the frankfurt plane and getting the correct orientation is to use bony landmarks

As for the other posts you've spammed at me I never said esoterik's pic was a perfect frankfurt plane but it's reasonable enough for a decent assessment - because remember you said the angle was "not neutral at all"... when clearly it is somewhat neutral.

I know, you're going to just keep arguing like everyone does on this forum when something is pointed out to them that they don't like so consider this my last message broski

 

[zemult]

You don't draw the frankfurt plane from the top of the ear like in your original post. Using the top of the ear as some landmark makes no sense because obviously people have very different size ears and the whole point of the frankfurt plane and getting the correct orientation is to use bony landmarks

As for the other posts you've spammed at me I never said esoterik's pic was a perfect frankfurt plane but it's reasonable enough for a decent assessment - because remember you said the angle was "not neutral at all"... when clearly it is somewhat neutral.

I know, you're going to just keep arguing like everyone does on this forum when something is pointed out to them that they don't like so consider this my last message broski

When I did claim it as some landmark? I only propose it as an alternative to the normal method if you want a dumbed down version, because you need a somewhat decent understanding of facial anatomy to make sense of the frankfurt plane. It's very rare that you someone with an ear size which skews the measurement significantly, which is enough for it to be used as a simplified method, albeit not a deterministic one.

And yes, I did overexaggerate the extent to which his head was downward tilted, my apologies. Although in his case it's somewhat significant and he's a mentalcel schizophrenic, so he may as well have that resolved.

This whole argument is pointless, not sure why you've started arguing. We both agree on the same points, I only proposed some method that works in majority of cases for people who aren't well versed on the subject, never said anything about it being deterministic or some landmark. Worth this whole argument? Probably not.

 

[Blackgymmax]

@Blackgymmax what do u recon his rate is before vs after

Looks like he’s mtn. His side doesn’t look good still and I’m pretty sure his front is awful. He also has no ang at all.

 

[Chris88]

Looks like he’s mtn. His side doesn’t look good still and I’m pretty sure his front is awful. He also has no ang at all.

tragic

 

[seven?]

woah

 

[Blackgymmax]

tragic

Idk you can just tell he’s subhuman from the side

 

[Chris88]

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Idk you can just tell he’s subhuman from the side

what makes his side mtn ur side is mtn aswell then

 

[esoterik]

too much downgrowth to be a mentalcel boyo

@RealSurgerymax im so confused, like, you can quite obviously see downgrowth without even needing to see scans, i feel like im going insane, answer my email breh, i dont want to wait until next year

 

[Blackgymmax]

what makes his side mtn ur side is mtn aswell then

What lmao no
I actually have a CL side and his nose is like 90% of his face in the side + no browridge
No jaw depth ang etc

 

[Chris88]

What lmao no
I actually have a CL side and his nose is like 90% of his face in the side + no browridge
No jaw depth ang etc


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he has browridge its not enough tho also u dont have enough cp nonetheless insane forward growth for a nigga

 

[pulsar23]

20 days post op
6mm maxilla forward movement
7 degree CCW with hip bone graft
12mm mandible advancement
no genio/chin modification

will post front in a few weeks when swelling is gone
painless surgery, the worst pain I had was some headaches and it was like 5/10 on the scale, literally not as scary as ppl make it out to be lmfao
lost 4kg in a week, slowly regaining weight, and already have 2 finger wide bite

how much was it? was it covered by insurance?

 

[BoredPrince]

whats snap

Snapchat

Jfl how do you not know that

 

[bimaxmaxxer]

Imo mandible was too advanced, I think it would be more harmonious with smaller movement, maybe 10 mm!?

Just from the side it looks bit uncanny, the length of the jaw that is, no?

also my first thought. But the guy is still swelling which most likely will explain the uncanny look.

 

[gymcel64]

you need to immediately train neck

 

[esoterik]

Snapchat

Jfl how do you not know that

oh snapchat, i c, i hate snapchat, i tried wizz but 1 match in 2 months (some lmtb )

 

[CoeurSurIlo]

What lmao no
I actually have a CL side and his nose is like 90% of his face in the side + no browridge
No jaw depth ang etc


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you look like a monkey mate don't @ me or talk under my post

 

[LEFORT17]

What lmao no
I actually have a CL side and his nose is like 90% of his face in the side + no browridge
No jaw depth ang etc


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u cant be saying that when posting pics of yourself and looking like that

 

[LEFORT17]

What lmao no
I actually have a CL side and his nose is like 90% of his face in the side + no browridge
No jaw depth ang etc


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your acc has to be satire/delusion. not blaming you since ur rotting on this forum since 5 years

 

[AustrianMogger]

20 days post op
6mm maxilla forward movement
7 degree CCW with hip bone graft
12mm mandible advancement
no genio/chin modification

will post front in a few weeks when swelling is gone
painless surgery, the worst pain I had was some headaches and it was like 5/10 on the scale, literally not as scary as ppl make it out to be lmfao
lost 4kg in a week, slowly regaining weight, and already have 2 finger wide bite

Surgeon and price ?

 

[LEFORT17]

Surgeon and price ?

eren pera der türke

 

[xevuxia]

Mirin man who was the surgeon ? Ramieri ?

 

[AustrianMogger]

eren pera der türke

Over. Denkst du die bekommen das in Österreich auch hin? Kein bock i die Türkei zu fliegen

 

[Dathomirian Zabrak]

mtn to mtn grest succes now all stacies are yours

 

[LEFORT17]

Over. Denkst du die bekommen das in Österreich auch hin? Kein bock i die Türkei zu fliegen

klar

 

[AustrianMogger]

klar

Mann, muss bald wirklich mit dennen Termin ausmachen. Hoffe ich finde einen der für unter 20k macht

 

[highschoolmaxxer]

Mirin. What cut did you get on your maxilla? (Lefort 1,2,3)

 

[LEFORT17]

Mann, muss bald wirklich mit dennen Termin ausmachen. Hoffe ich finde einen der für unter 20k macht

in österreich locker unter 20. eren pera ist eigentich auch stark 12-15

 

[LEFORT17]

Mirin. What cut did you get on your maxilla? (Lefort 1,2,3)

lf3 monobloc

 

[LEFORT17]

mtn to mtn grest succes now all stacies are yours

one kebab

 

[Maybeitisntover]

20 days post op
6mm maxilla forward movement
7 degree CCW with hip bone graft
12mm mandible advancement
no genio/chin modification

will post front in a few weeks when swelling is gone
painless surgery, the worst pain I had was some headaches and it was like 5/10 on the scale, literally not as scary as ppl make it out to be lmfao
lost 4kg in a week, slowly regaining weight, and already have 2 finger wide bite

Did you have your wisdom teeth extracted. I would really appreciate an answer brother.

 

[exe77]

mirin

 

[johncorn]

The before is a recessed subhuman. You can't be serious. There was no 'harmony'.

It's only 20 days post op, he is swelling still, to look this good early on is a great sign that the procedure went well.

The before looks elegant and classy the after is a uncanny dog

he only needed a small advancement in the mandible or even only a genio imo

 

[idnap]

20 days post op
6mm maxilla forward movement
7 degree CCW with hip bone graft
12mm mandible advancement
no genio/chin modification

will post front in a few weeks when swelling is gone
painless surgery, the worst pain I had was some headaches and it was like 5/10 on the scale, literally not as scary as ppl make it out to be lmfao
lost 4kg in a week, slowly regaining weight, and already have 2 finger wide bite

Something's off I just cant tell what it is exactly