I found the key for YOUR ascension

[SlayerJonas]

No! This is too far! That’s m-mine! No, it’s not! Hey. Motherfucker!

Originality not existing is a truth I've accepted, now it's your turn nigger

Exactly! Why is suffering bad? This is the failure of most systems. To declare it as bad you’d need to invoke utility. It’s circular.

best philosophy that helped me on all levels and planes : whatever makes me the most happy : good

what makes me happy doesn't mean I don't care about others, it could mean anything

Ego is important for personal growth, this doesn't mean neglecting others. it means trying to give everyone what they deserve @wishIwasSalludon

"You can sacrifice your soul, then undergo a gruesome and gory ritual to ascend"

@Eltrē

soul doesn't exist, rituals is only a brand

 

[Thief]

rituals is only a brand

WE all know what you did to get where you are

 

[SlayerJonas]

WE all know what you did to get where you are

suffering, self-reflecting, trying to assess what is truth and what is illusion

 

[Gaygymmaxx]

Only the sexhavers
Most incels are ND

majority is socially anxious

Most incels are not "ND" literally its just a phrase they use in a mutually understood manner

What do they mutually understand it to mean?

It means "afraid to leave mom's basement"

 

[uksucks]

I Don't think so. Being shy and awkward due to looks and social isolation =/= ND

I agree but people always say this like it applies to 99% of cases when in reality at least half were always weird regardless of their looks

One of the best looking guys on my course (other than me) was shy and awkward, could barely have a conversation and he was a bone mogger by this forums standards and like 6'3

 

[wishIwasSalludon]

Why is suffering bad? This is the failure of most systems.

This is the biggest problem for moral objectivists

If you create a system for classifying good or bad you need justification. And you can keep asking for justification repeatedly.

It wouldnt even be enough for your system to be based on some sort of brute fact. A brute fact is still contingent.

For a truly objective system to be created it would need to be based on a necessary fact(a fact that could not have failed to exist).

 

[imontheloose]

This is the biggest problem for moral objectivists

If you create a system for classifying good or bad you need justification. And you can keep asking for justification repeatedly.

It wouldnt even be enough for your system to be based on some sort of brute fact. A brute fact is still contingent.

For a truly objective system to be created it would need to be based on a necessary fact(a fact that could not have failed to exist).

You still have to subject that said necessary system is good. It ultimately boils down to a subject even if your ingredients are objects.

 

[gunrenaissance]

It's called money-o-plasty you obese, masturbating monkey.

The only thing you have to do is sign it.

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"B-but I don't want to work for my surgeries" then you might as well slit your throat. Your existence is worthless and society reflects that by treating you that way, not like you have the desire to change because you hate to put the work in, oh you poor boy.

"I don't want to work a 9-5" then you should've studied harder in high school and went to uni instead of rotting in your parent's basement. Not like it's asking for the impossible, literal retards you complain about are studying medicine but you think you're "street smart" ofc.

Inb4 cherrypicking the details I don't give a fuck about in the replies. The people that deserve to read this will understand and process.

Keep complaining and coping though, easier for the men that actually have some self-respect.

Spoiler: Tags

@chadisbeingmade @imontheloose @Eltrē @Debetro @wishIwasSalludon

i cant imagine how delulu u have to be to think ascension is possible without a stable job and degree
also medicine is trash for ascension cuz u only start making money 8 years after (i think) so ur prime years are over

 

[wishIwasSalludon]

You still have to subject that necessary system is good. It ultimately boils down to a subject even if your ingredients are objects.

Its not really about the system being "good" or not just whether its correct.

our goal is to classify things as good or bad

if we have some N1 and it entails some ethical system then we have achieved our goal

P1: N1 is true as it is a necessary fact
P2: N1 logically entails murder is wrong
Conclusion: Murder is wrong.

The conclusion logically follows from the fact and thus we must accept it

this is the same thing as thing

P1: All snuffles are puffles
P2: Bob is a puffle
Conclusion: Bob is also a snuffle

in an objective moral system that system being true is the same as saying the earth being round is true. It is outside good or bad it is just reality.

 

[uksucks]

Most incels are not "ND

We can debate the numbers but the studies speak for itself
>85% of ND men are virgin with mean age of 35

There's many studies on this

Also socially anxious why? Because of their subpar looks hahah. The average guy on this forum mogs the average NT normie / gf haver.

Looks obsession is cope for shit personality

 

[Gaygymmaxx]

We can debate the numbers but the studies speak for itself
>85% of ND men are virgin with mean age of 35

There's many studies on this

Also socially anxious why? Because of their subpar looks hahah. The average guy on this forum mogs the average NT normie / gf haver.

Looks obsession is cope for shit personality

85% of ND men are virgin =/= 85% of virgins are ND

Do I really need to say that? Why present such retarded irrelevant statistics?

 

[Debetro]

Surgery is unnatural and shit, bonesmashing + mk677 for natural bone growth

Combine it with 45 mg K2 menaquinone 4, 30k IU D3 and eating eggshells for optimal results. Natural is always better.

 

[wishIwasSalludon]

best philosophy that helped me on all levels and planes : whatever makes me the most happy : good

My philosophical beliefs are based off what I think is rational as well as my values.

 

[uksucks]

85% of ND men are virgin =/= 85% of virgins are ND

Do I really need to say that? Why present such retarded irrelevant statistics?

I never claimed that they were equivalent

And they're not irrelevant

 

[Gaygymmaxx]

I never claimed that they were equivalent

And they're not irrelevant

It's irrelevant to our discussion, yes.

 

[wishIwasSalludon]

Surgery is unnatural and shit, bonesmashing + mk677 for natural bone growth

imagine if you could just grow any bone by smashing it with a hammer

 

[Gaygymmaxx]

I never claimed that they were equivalent

And they're not irrelevant

I'll make a poll/thread for self reporting actual tested/ psychiatrist confirmed ND's

 

[imontheloose]

Its not really about the system being "good" or not just whether its correct.

our goal is to classify things as good or bad

if we have some N1 and it entails some ethical system then we have achieved our goal

P1: N1 is true as it is a necessary fact
P2: N1 logically entails murder is wrong
Conclusion: Murder is wrong.

The conclusion logically follows from the fact and thus we must accept it

this is the same thing as thing

P1: All snuffles are puffles
P2: Bob is a puffle
Conclusion: Bob is also a snuffle

in an objective moral system that system being true is the same as saying the earth being round is true. It is outside good or bad it is just reality.

Entails and binds are very different words. From N1 is a necessary fact and N1: “murder is wrong”, shows a clear syntax error to me. What you have not shown is that the world contains stance-independent, categorically reason-giving properties, i.e., that there is an objective reason binding on every agent regardless of aims, cares, or commitments. Logical consequences ≠ normative authority.

Like my last line is implying, you’re smuggling normativity. Your second premise effectively assumes that the moral predicate is wrong already picks out a real, irreducibly normative property in the world. But that is exactly the point at issue. Without the following bridging premise:

B: if N1 is true and N1 entails “murder is wrong”, then every agent has categorical reason not to murder.

Your inference doesn’t reach moral objectivity. And B is the very disputed part here. I deny categorical reasoning, full stop.

The puffles analogy is also seemingly mistakenly chained to me.

P1, P2, and C are taxonomic inferences among descriptive predicates. It presupposes only extensional inclusion. Is wrong on the other hand, is supposed to be prescriptive: it claims to require action or forbearance. Moving from a descriptive entailment to a prescriptive must is the very leap I am similarly rejecting. What this philosophy does is basically replace the hard question of normativity with an easy one in set membership.

I have about 5 or 6 more problems with this, but this is my initial issue set. I can list the others; just didn’t want to ramble.

 

[SlayerJonas]

My philosophical beliefs are based off what I think is rational as well as my values.

I stated my experience what helped me IRL the most, logic is weak compared to experience even if I want to believe the opposite.

It's seen in biology for example @chadisbeingmade pilled me on that indirectly, we both use logic and at the end experience shows the most. e.g. golden age bb's just were peak and after the science stuff overcomplicated everything thus looksminning physiques

physicists also love experiments @imontheloose

but I can imagine it depends on what's tried to be assessed e.g. with maths

 

[imontheloose]

I stated my experience what helped me IRL the most, logic is weak compared to experience even if I want to believe the opposite.

It's seen in biology for example @chadisbeingmade pilled me on that indirectly, we both use logic and at the end experience shows the most. e.g. golden age bb's just were peak and after the science stuff overcomplicated everything thus looksminning physiques

physicists also love experiments @imontheloose

but I can imagine it depends on what's tried to be assessed e.g. with maths

Yeesh, imagine a life without experiments. I love experiments so much!

 

[Tigermoggerlol]

Nigga are you in Germany

Also being young if time is your friend is cope trust me, doesn't matter

I'm just pointing out what's going on in your life in other words

Do it now. Why do you even have to delay your suicide, atleast don't delay something once in your life subhuman

You won't ascend stop the cope retard, muh thumbpulling stick that thumb into your carotid artery instead

They don't even acknowledge surgery works nigga what are you talking about

They exist for cope and comfort, they mentally masturbate with muh looksmaxxing

He's black

Looksmaxxing is surgery lol

 

[wishIwasSalludon]

Moving from a descriptive entailment to a prescriptive must is the very leap I am similarly rejecting.

I agree actually

P2 is suppose to somehow bridge the gap between the descriptive fact that N1 is true and logically create a prescriptive fact. I actually agree I dont really think theres a way to do this. But for the sake of argument I was pretending that we could.

In such case then saying you shouldn't murder is the same as saying the earth is round. Its just correct.

 

[imontheloose]

I agree actually

P2 is suppose to somehow bridge the gap between the descriptive fact that N1 is true and logically create a prescriptive fact. I actually agree I dont really think theres a way to do this. But for the sake of argument I was pretending that we could.

In such case then saying you shouldn't murder is the same as saying the earth is round. Its just correct.

I understand it’s just for the sake of argument; we do agree on a lot of this in reality.

 

[wishIwasSalludon]

I understand it’s just for the sake of argument; we do agree on a lot of this in reality.

these philosophical discussions are so insanely interesting and mentally stimulating

atleast to me

 

[imontheloose]

these philosophical discussions are so insanely interesting and mentally stimulating

atleast to me

Me too!

 

[wishIwasSalludon]

Me too!

it seems logically impossible for morality to be objective because prescriptions are only given from one conscious entity to another.

You cant take a non conscious fact and derive a prescription from it.

Moral objectivists need to admit this necessary fact is conscious(God?)

but if its some conscious being giving you a prescription then its not really objective anymore now is it? It wouldnt be any different then me saying murder is wrong cause I said so.

 

[imontheloose]

it seems logically impossible for morality to be objective because prescriptions are only given from one conscious entity to another.

You cant take a non conscious fact and derive a prescription from it.

Moral objectivists need to admit this necessary fact is conscious(God?)

but if its some conscious being giving you a prescription then its not really objective anymore now is it? It wouldnt be any different then me saying murder is wrong cause I said so.

Exactly! This is precisely why I said you’d have to inevitably subject that the being is somehow valid in its reasoning. That’s not an object.

 

[wishIwasSalludon]

The puffles analogy is also seemingly mistakenly chained to me.

I couldve come up with a more serious name but instead chose the most ridiculous ones

 

[imontheloose]

I couldve come up with a more serious name but instead chose the most ridiculous ones

Hey, if it works, it works!

 

[wishIwasSalludon]

Hey, if it works, it works!

I’m gonna make a banh mi sandwich and eat it

 

[imontheloose]

I’m gonna make a banh mi sandwich and eat it

Did you fall over mid-sentence, sir? Are you okay?

 

[wishIwasSalludon]

Did you fall over mid-sentence, sir? Are you okay?

I'm going to eat a Vietnamese sandwich and it will be delicious

 

[imontheloose]

I'm going to eat a Vietnamese sandwich and it will be delicious

Ok JBBcel Chad.

 

[wishIwasSalludon]

Ok JBBcel Chad.

I will make this

 

[imontheloose]

View attachment 4075162 I will make this

Looks pretty good. Make me one!